Video: Microsoft’s Ecosystem Rocks! (Because they say so, that’s why!)

posted at 6:01 pm on April 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

It’s hard to find a starting place to describe the cluelessness of this motivational video produced by Microsoft for the Vista SP1 sales team. Is it the takeoff on a video first seen before Microsoft introduced Windows at all? Is it the lame Bruce Springsteen impersonator? Does the wanna-be Courtney Cox taking to the stage take the cake? Or is it the overall tone that Vista’s “ecosystem” rocks — against all popular comment about it — finally provoke the gag reflex?

In my opinion, one cannot separate the elements into differing levels of staggering cluelessness. They blend into a gigantic gestalt of self-delusion that can only make the rest of us Vista users wonder whether Redmond ganja is really that good. A few of the people in this video look like they have partaken of it a little too often. Most of us wish they would go back just a few years ago to XP, rather than all the way back to 1984. What’s next — a kickoff video for DOS 8.0?

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I dont have a major problem with Vista myself. It does everything I need to do. Some software incompatibilities, which sucks, but I deal with it.

lorien1973 on April 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM

My blood pressure spikes when someone says “Microsoft Vista” in my presence.

Cicero43 on April 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Well at least we know what happened to the producers of the “Hillary for You and Me” ad.

amerpundit on April 16, 2008 at 6:08 PM

a kickoff video for DOS 8.0

FORTRAN or COBOL will do.

Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 6:09 PM

I just threw up in my mouth. Are they that freaking clueless?
I didn’t want to buy a MacBook because of the price, but that video inspired me to keep saving…

rhodeymark on April 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM

The only thing this piece of shinola could possibly inspire me to do is to go to work for Apple. Sheesh!

sondiehl on April 16, 2008 at 6:11 PM

I love 64bit Vista. Because it can access and take advantage of more than 4GB ram. Which can speed things up considerably.
The only legacy hardware that I own that didn’t get drivers was a Canon Powershot G2. But that can be solved with a Compact Flash reader.

Iblis on April 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Vista is a turd. As a Windows/Linux/MAC IT guy I can that Vista is nearly the same sized egg as Windows Millennium. I would never recommend a Vista upgrade to any of my clients because XP is good enough and gets the job done. Also, Vista is expensive.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM

I love 64bit Vista. Because it can access and take advantage of more than 4GB ram

The problem is that Vista NEEDS 4GB ram.

mojojojo on April 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Anybody remember this 1996 interview with Steve Jobs, re: Microsoft?

“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. I don’t mean that in a small way; I mean that in a big way.”

Even he had no idea just how big.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Bring back the McCain Girls–they’re better than this.

aero on April 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Iblis on April 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM

That’s good news about the drivers. I used a beta of the 64-bit and it was hell with peripherals. Maybe I’ll give it a try.

The video is bizarrely bad. Looks like Microsoft won’t be challenging Apple or Google in the areas of creativity or usability any time soon.

dedalus on April 16, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Geez, guys — we don’t need to turn this into a “Vista sucks!” “No, Mac sucks!” thread. Those of you who think Vista is the greatest thing since sliced bread, can you at least agree that this video is freakishly lame?

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

iyeeeeee.

juanito on April 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I don’t use Microsod OS in either my desktop or laptop. For the Desktop – AMD 64-bit Dual Core ISA running Debian Ubuntu, which lets me address up to 4GB of RAM and supports RAID disks. For the Laptop – Xandros with Apache, Firefox, Thunderbird and Open Office.

Sure, I wouldn’t mind running OSX for Web Ops, but I’m good for now.

SeniorD on April 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Y’know, with this video, Microsoft could easily become the next Rick Astley. “Haha! You’ve been Vistarolled!”

A dubious honor, to be sure, but at this point, MS needs to take what it can get.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Superb.

I’m chalking that up to Irony just because so many muppets think Apple has a monopoly on it.

Ares on April 16, 2008 at 6:26 PM

MS is and continues to be void of original thought and genuineness.
and their products suck.
their days are numbered.

jimmer on April 16, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Microsoft is more of a marketing company than a technology company. This could not have been intended to get out of Redmond.

Leopold Stotch on April 16, 2008 at 6:29 PM

This video is outlawed at GITMO.

Man that was awful!

BobH on April 16, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Go Mac!

RobertInAustin on April 16, 2008 at 6:30 PM

My nephew’s agency has been part of several Microsoft marketing campaigns. I’d be too embarassed to ask him if he was any part of this dreck.

eeyore on April 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Good friggin’ lord that was bad. Vista in the enterprise still sucks hard. And nothing has changed the worst fault:

It runs half as fast and takes twice as much RAM as XP. The security is better, but that’s like saying it’s better to eat dried dog crap than fresh dog crap.

ErikTheRed on April 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Y’know, with this video, Microsoft could easily become the next Rick Astley. “Haha! You’ve been Vistarolled!”

A dubious honor, to be sure, but at this point, MS needs to take what it can get.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Dude… That’s just cruel and unusal.

I like it.

ErikTheRed on April 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Yep the video sucks.

But Vista has improvements over XP. I like that MS finally changed that obnoxious update feature, so it installs updates when you shut down instead of practically forcing you to do it on the spot. I had to turn off updates cuz it got so irritating to have to reboot in the middle of the afternoon. Now it silently downloads them and installs when I shut down for the evening. If MS is going to make all these idiotic updates necessary, at least they finally learned not to throw it in your face every time.

I have more of a problem with the new Office Products than with Vista itself. It took me, no joke, 5 minutes to figure out how to open the damn box just so I could install the software. What moron invented that packaging? Crazy. And when it was installed, it took me a few minutes to figure how to print a document. I miss the “file edit view” thing. But at least paperclip guy was murdered. Excel is really difficult to use now, IMHO, cuz of the layout. I’ve gotten used to it, but I think the old way was far more user friendly than what they did this time around.

lorien1973 on April 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Due. Dude. This makes me sick.

Part of me had hoped somewhere in the depths of Microsoft they understood what a failure Vista is for its customers, but that hope is now destroyed.

What’s worse is that these people are actually proud of the relatively terrible Vista sales. Do they not understand that people are pretty much forced to buy Vista with new computers? How is that something to be proud of?

Nessuno on April 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM

It’s hard to find a starting place to describe the cluelessness of this motivational video…

The lyrics, maybe?

RedWinged Blackbird on April 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Think I saw Randy Jackson at 2:08.

Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 6:35 PM

From: sballmer@microsoft.com
To: marketing@microsoft.com
Subject: Vista ad

AndrewsDad on April 16, 2008 at 6:37 PM

YOUR FIRED!

AndrewsDad on April 16, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I’m a Vista user and I like it. As others mentioned, the key is to have a kick-ass rig. Otherwise you’re toast.

Baphomet on April 16, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Using Vista SP1, works fine.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 6:43 PM

I got it. I know what this reminds me of: those insane Scientology events and videos Allahpundit has highlighted before. Doesn’t it look cultish?

Baphomet on April 16, 2008 at 6:44 PM

La-la-la-lame.

Tru2my2 on April 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Corporations doing something internally (this video wasn’t meant for the public) that they think is cool and turns out to be incredibly lame has been a hallmark of corporate culture for, I’m sure, decades :P

More succintly: Microsoft is not the first company to make an incredibly lame internal promo video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0

apollyonbob on April 16, 2008 at 6:46 PM

All the attacks on Vista by the Mac elitists and Vista has been out for a little more than a year and it has twice the marketshare of OSX.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Repeating anti-Vista FUD only shows how tech-unsavvy you are.

Sure, pay for a non-secure, 3.2GB-limited OS if you like…

someone on April 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM

See what’s on employees’ desktops
With AIS and MDOP

Yes, I think I must be feeling jiggy now.

Cicero43 on April 16, 2008 at 6:52 PM

I’d also like to point out that Windows XP, when it was released, also required far higher system specs than Windows 2000. It also did not run as fast as Windows 2000. There were also those who rejected it, staying with Windows 98 SE.

Where are those people now, I wonder? I wonder where they went to in the last few years. Maybe hiding out in cabins in Montana.

The point is, technology advances. Vista is more advanced than Windows XP – Microsoft’s problem has been in marketing its advancements. Many of them are not very sexy (drivers isolated from the kernel you say!?) but that doesn’t make them any less important.

From a development perspective, I love it.

apollyonbob on April 16, 2008 at 6:53 PM

The song was tuneless, formless, and a general all-around mess. But somewhere, wouldn’t his Bruce-ness have had to sign off on that? Oy.

Captain Scarlet on April 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM

I heard Henry Winkler has taken up water skiing again…

I’m glad I work for a company that doesn’t need to come up with motivational crap to encourage the sales team make their numbers.

The quality of the product is what makes the sale.

SPCOlympics on April 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Microsoft Derangement Syndrome. I love my Vista x64. If your hardware is stuck in 1984 then well, you won’t like it.

ronsfi on April 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM

If you didn’t already hate Vista, sales must’ve whipped up that video to make sure the job got done…

Blacklake on April 16, 2008 at 7:05 PM

Was that Mary Lou Retton?

TexasDan on April 16, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Microsoft is more of a marketing company than a technology company. This could not have been intended to get out of Redmond.

Leopold Stotch on April 16, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Um . . .

Uh . . .

So, your point is that Microsoft, a marketing company, produced what has to be the most awful music video ever? Even worse than this one?

Um . . . okay.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Speaking of ganga, how did they get Woody Harrelson to play Bruce Springsteen for this bucket-o-poop video?

Seriously, it reminds me of an Up With People “Aren’t we Super!” style of video I was forced to watch at a training seminar for all of the Baskin Robins employees in our city back in about 1985.

rihar on April 16, 2008 at 7:12 PM

From: sballmer@microsoft.com
To: marketing@microsoft.com
Subject: Vista ad

YOUR FIRED!

AndrewsDad on April 16, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Actually, I’d wager good money that this video was Ballmer’s pet project, and he wrote the lyrics himself. Microsoft’s lack of taste comes from the very top — first Bill, now Steve.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 7:15 PM

My complaint with vista is the memory management or lack thereof really. SP1 has helped a great deal but it’s still a hog.

bj1126 on April 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I was at that concert…Springsteen’s. It was July 1984 at the St. Paul Civic Center. (Damn, I’m old.) It took two takes to get the video.

Trainwreck on April 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I can that Vista is nearly the same sized egg as Windows Millennium

Holy cow, I forgot all about Millennium…

Yeah, I’ve heard nothing but bad things about Vista so far…I’ll keep my XP for a while. I get a chuckle every time I hear or see Microsoft tout anti-virus and anti-hacker software.

I don’t mean to put Microsoft down…truly, where would computers be today if not for them…but sometimes, the bigger they come…

JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM

The video sucked, but, it was probably made on a shoestring budget by the sales team and was meant as a sales pep-talk. It had nothing at all to do with Microsoft and their marketing department (though, I can’t really recall any good MS ads…)

JadeNYU on April 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Here’s the breakdown:

Business/Productivity/stability = Linux
Multi-media/Entertainment/interface = Apple OSX
Games/Most Compatible software = Windows XP

That’s the bottom line.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Also, Best Laptop purchase:

MacBook Pro.

Run all three OS’s on one machine and have it all. (With enough RAM of course)

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:25 PM

My complaint with vista is the memory management or lack thereof really. SP1 has helped a great deal but it’s still a hog.

bj1126 on April 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM

That is the way that Vista is designed and it’s not going to change with a service pack, thats why applications load faster , on Vista than they do on XP.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM

This is a joke, right?

TheSitRep on April 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:23 PM

HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Also, Best Laptop purchase:

MacBook Pro.

Run all three OS’s on one machine and have it all. (With enough RAM of course)

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:25 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/pwn-2-own-over-macbook-air-gets-seized-in-2-minutes-flat/

MacBook Air Pwned in 2 minutes flat.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Oh, that just sucks.

john1schn on April 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM

MS is and continues to be void of original thought and genuineness.
and their products suck.
their days are numbered.

jimmer on April 16, 2008 at 6:27 PM

True! As proof, consider that I’m using an OpenSolaris distro from India, Benelix, to reply here. OpenSolaris has tiny user base compared to BSD which has a tiny user compared to Linux. The Free Open Source Software operating systems offer so much choice any more!! And they are good. At least, some of the Linux distros and DesktopBSD are good. There are some rough edges with some of these operating systems, but they are all free to try: http://www.distrowatch.com.

There are issues with Free Open Source Software rhetoric sometimes being too socialist. I prefer to use the more capitalist version of a free software. This is why I like to use Fedora Linux or OpenSuse Linux or a BSD or OpenSolaris. Republicans should probably avoid Ubuntu and Debian, because their bleeding heart rhetoric will make you sick. And sadly, my saint Richard Stallman, father of the movement, is a Kucinich supporter. But when large companies like IBM and Sun support the movement with the intent of making money, you know it’s not some socialist plot.

thuja on April 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Chakra Hammer

LOL, Blu-Ray. (Get a PS3 bc you get the BD and the game console/media server)

BTW, if you are looking into a great entertainment center computer to augment your TV/CABLE/SURROUND SOUND/Etc, pick up a MacMini with a wireless keyboard/Mouse combo. You can go from DVI to HDMI to your TV and optical digital sound to your receiver. Then you can sit on your couch, browse the net, watch movies, listen to music, watch TV and run all your Mac applications. (I’m doing it now, BTW)

Just an FYI.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Until I saw this video, I thought I would rather vote for Hillary Clinton than ever install Windows Vista. But now I see that I can’t live without it.

gridlock2 on April 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM

All the attacks on Vista by the Mac elitists and Vista has been out for a little more than a year and it has twice the marketshare of OSX.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 6:47 PM

M$ Windoze has 10-20 times the installed base of Macintosh, so you would expect the upgrade market to be 10-20 times that of OS X.

Apple’s market share has been increasing over the last year or so, and part of the reason is Vista.

As for that dreadful video (couldn’t watch the whole thing): Windoze is tacky, cartoony, dumbed-down for average users and at the same time inscrutable for all but experts. So for a tacky product, you get a tacky video. What else is new?

MrLynn on April 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM

My old computer died a few years sooner than I thought it would and I was forced to by a new one with Vista on it. All the geeky wailing about it made me nervous but it turns out that Vista is just fine, guess you just can’t please geeks.

Mr. Excitement on April 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM

It is bad, but not as bad as Hillary 4 U and Me. Nothing can ever be as lame as that.

gridlock2 on April 16, 2008 at 7:51 PM

It’s an awful video, but like a few people mentioned, it’s one of those terrible inter-corporate motivational videos everyone involved remains permanently ashamed of. It was never meant to hit Youtube, although I can’t imagine how they expected it not to.

But of course, it’s nothing on the greatest corporate video ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv_AYaX1_pk

As to Vista… well, the basics are;
- It does a few things better than XP, but that’s not apparent to anyone without the latest hardware, non-gamers, and general office users.
- MS forced the upgrade on people anyway, and is simply going to kill the very successful and functional XP cram it down our throats.
- MS could not include many of the most widely touted upgrades, released it later than promised, and yet managed to release it at least a year before it was out of beta.
- Vista cannot be backwards compatible the way XP was, but that was simply unavoidable… most of XP’s more glaring issues have to do with that wide open compatibility.
- Vista 64 Ultimate is in my experience the most stable version, and has wildly better driver support than XP 64. Kudos. It also supports much higher memory addressing… I’ve got 4 GB of RAM and I can actually use it.
- The downside is that Vista hogs quite a bit of it.

Overall, it’s not a *bad* OS, just bloated, unfinished, and less universally compatible. These are survivable flaws, except Gestapo tactics from MS in forcing people to upgrade (especially last year’s glut of “Vista ready” PC’s running Vista Basic – which any IT guy could have told you were anything but) have pissed off a lot of people, including those of us in corporate IT who now have to jump through flaming hoops to get XP preloaded. This is understandable… and if Vista becomes the new Windows Me, MS has only themselves to blame.

E1701 on April 16, 2008 at 7:52 PM

guess you just can’t please geeks.

I think if you could please them we would be stuck with vacuum tubes, CRTs and Star Wars I (Episode 4). But I get your point.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 7:55 PM

“Vista” and “rock” was what I was thinking today — as in smash the computer with one — when one of our office workstations decided to somehow de-network itself from its connection with our Mac OS 10.5.1 server and absolutely refused to see anything on the network but the other Windows computers for the next four hours.

The network utility on the XP computers found and connected up to the server in all of about six seconds, but the networking software on Vista produced nothing but a “Vist has found an unrepairable error, contact your systems administrator” notice. As it turned out the answer was simple — use the exact same method we used to network our lone, aging Windows 98 computer, i.e. type in //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx for the server’s IP address and then hit run/enter, and the entire network popped up in two seconds.

Which is what’s so frustrating about Vista. It does work … eventually … but so many of its functions that were supposed to simplify things for users end up just raising blood pressure. There’s probably a logical reason (as opposed to a good one) involving the system’s security controls that blocked us from networking in the proper fashion and forced us to go back to the old manual system of a decade ago. But for the non-tech geek willing to invest hours in tracking down the cause of the glitch, it’s just a needless aggravation for a problem that wasn’t there in Windows XP.

jon1979 on April 16, 2008 at 7:57 PM

WTF!!!!

jesterstear on April 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM

I run XP at work and on my laptop. I run Vista on a new Media Center machine at home. The Vista build was, without a doubt, THE WORST PC upgrade experience that I’ve had in the past 25 years. (I’ve owned home-built PCs since 1982 and MS-DOS 2.0.) It was expensive by today’s standards as well.

My collie says:

Yes, but now you know how Eliot Spitzer felt when he spent $5000 per trick for a cheap hooker.

Hmmm. Maybe instead of paying Balmer for Vista…I should paid him to leave.

CyberCipher on April 16, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Buy a Mac.

(Yes, I am that smartass in the tech support center who hollers, “Call Tech Support!” when a coworker has technical difficulties)

Sekhmet on April 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM

I wouldn’t want to be misinterpreted as claiming that Vista “rocks”, certainly, but it’s gotten a bad rap, I think. Most Vista problems are the fault of 3rd-party developers who thought they could do a quick port of their software (or nothing at all) and get away with being lazy. Vista itself–while inarguably a bit sluggish due to bloat–is a remarkably stable operating system.

Hell, you can even have your video driver die, and Vista will gracefully reload it without flinching.

Vista hate is the new BDS!!1!!

(Funniest comment on Youtube: “I declare this the new Rickroll.”)

DaveS on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM

(I’ve owned home-built PCs since 1982 and MS-DOS 2.0.)

Funny! I started in 85′ with my Commodore 64, a tape drive and craptastic TV…

The first language I programmed in was COBOL. I swear the devil wrote that language!

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Which is what’s so frustrating about Vista. It does work … eventually … but so many of its functions that were supposed to simplify things for users … But for the non-tech geek willing to invest hours in tracking down the cause of the glitch…

Exactly… the problem with Vista is, quite honestly, with everything and everyone OTHER THAN Vista. It’s users who can’t grasp that it isn’t Win9x/XP, it’s tech support people who can’t grasp that little things have changed and the network/security settings work differently, and its developers who think they can repackage XP software for Vista and get away with it.

DaveS on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM

With my limited exposeure and with this video it has proven to me that corporations really believe that those employeed by them are children.

I worked for about 6 months with a major corporation and attended one meeting for our area of the country and it was so bad. I literally felt insulted as I sat there praying for a blood clot in my leg to break loose and grant me the sweet release of death

The fact that a major corporation would even think that they employees would be motivated by watching this just shows how stupid they think their employees really are. This is the fruit of those in power surrounding themselves with a bunch of brown nosing yes men. You know not a single one of them dared to say “This is such a stupid idea, I am so f****** embarrassed that we are even making something like this.”

RobertInAustin on April 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Yep, nothing “tacky, cartoony, dumbed-down for average users” about the Mac interface.

pick up a MacMini with a wireless keyboard/Mouse combo. You can go from DVI to HDMI to your TV and optical digital sound to your receiver. Then you can sit on your couch, browse the net, watch movies, listen to music, watch TV and run all your Mac applications

Mac Mini w/ 80GB HDD = Minimum $600
Mac wireless keyboard and mouse = Minimum $100
EyeTV single TV tuner = $150

That means for the low price of $850 + tax you get the privilege of having a Mac to record and/or watch one HDTV show at a time (and no HBO–only the HD available on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and PBS if you have an ATSC digital TV antenna attached to your HDTV), run 1/10th of the software available at any Best Buy store, and no games…

Or you get the HD DVR from your cable TV or satellite provider for $10 a month that lets you watch and record 2 TV shows at once while recording 20 hrs of premium HD content (HBO, ESPN, Sci-Fi Channel, et cetera), watch on demand HD movies, listen to 200 channels of digital stereo music from every genre, and even download YouTube videos direct to your TV.

But, yeah the Mac is better…uh, because it just is.

ScottMcC on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Meh. Vista == Bad OSX knock-off.

Buy a Mac.

spmat on April 16, 2008 at 8:29 PM

I can’t even imagine who could relate to that? That would have been lame twenty-five years ago. I was trying to come up with a parallel, but there is none (The Shaggs of advertising?). That was awful.

Hening on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 PM

But, yeah the Mac is better…uh, because it just is.

I converted to MAC and have never regretted it for a single moment. No system crashes, no more having to download constant security upgrades.

If I need to do something with Windows I can simply run parallels and it will run windows at the same time it is running the MAC OS.

1/10th of the software available at any Best Buy store, and no games…

No, but tons of user created software you can download, and not have crash on you. Why, it was created on the MAC for the MAC.

If you wanna play game, get a video gaming counsel.

RobertInAustin on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Vista=buying a new computer with a ton of ram just so you can run an OS that harkens back to ME. Vista is the spawn of Satan and it’s father is BG. I don’t mind MS update a program, what I can’t stand it that they put out a piece of crap, charge $200 and then expect the user to point out all the flaws so they can rewrite and then sell you an update for $100. Screwed both ways. My first computer was an Amiga 500 and I’m the IT guy at work. Now MS says they aren’t going to support XP any more….great!

flytier on April 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

desertdweller on April 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Vista SP1 – yawn. On the other hand, there’s a new release of Ubuntu Linux coming out in eight days. Woot!

ajackson on April 16, 2008 at 8:37 PM

If you wanna play game, get a video gaming counsel.

Me video gaming counsel advise against play game. It bad.

No, I’m just kidding with you. I agree 100% about the game thing but dude, c’mon–don’t lie and tell people the Mac never crashes. It does. Out of the box new and powerful Macs have locked up on me in the middle of running Final Cut Pro and iTunes. It happens.

Don’t be a Martha Raddatz interviewing US soldiers for ABC News on who they were voting for president and somehow every leatherneck that ends up in your final report said Obama or Clinton because they wanted more emphasis on the environment and eduction… you gotta find at least one guy to say “McCain” so it doesn’t look like you totally rigged your data.

ScottMcC on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 PM

speechless…

TheCulturalist on April 16, 2008 at 8:50 PM

FORTRAN or COBOL will do.

Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Both are for sissies, try mainframe assembler – a real man’s language.

Al the Microsoft bashing is ridiculous. Microsoft is a terrific start up story, Gates is a business genius and if OBM hand’t tried to screw him Microsoft wouldn’t be the powerhouse it is today.

As to Vista, I use Vista Home Premium and love it. I skipped XP and came to Vista from Windows 98 and haven’t regretted it. I use XP and NT for work. I do hobbyiest programming in C++ on my Vista box and love it.

Back to Microsoft – before Gates / Microsoft rose to dominance trying to do anything that required cohesion between two systems was impossible. Microsoft brought order to chaos and should be applauded and enshrined.

They are tough businessmen though and would slit a competitors throat in a nanosecond.

Onager on April 16, 2008 at 8:54 PM

DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVEL…ah never mind…

I didn’t know what to expect from vista when I upgraded. I use ultimate and it’s pretty damn nice. Its faster then XP is and UI is a lot more intuitive then people think…

liquidflorian on April 16, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Microsoft brought order to chaos and should be applauded and enshrined.

. . . (speechless)

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 9:02 PM

BTW, for those with open minds (i.e., not kneejerk Mac bashers), here’s a Popular Mechanics report that compares Macs with PCs.

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM

ScottMcC on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Ahh, where to start with this boobery?

First, this is augment the home entertainment system you may already have. (ie. TV, Cable, SAT, receiver) Second, with your cable/satellite system you can’t browse the internet however you can (and I did) run all my components though the receiver. Also, I CAN use my Mac to record anything.

Third, The MacMini is compact, stylish and powerful enough to run Windows, Linux and MAC OSX.

Fourth, here is a host of additional features that the cable/SAT setup can’t do:

Watch internet-based mulitimedia (NetFlix, YouTube, adult web content etc.) from the comfort of your couch.
Play 3D games from the comfort of your couch.
Run Windows/Linix/Mac applications on your hi-def bigscreen.
Attach, view and store digital multi-media storage.
Use FrontRow to browse photos, movies and music. (MacMini comes with a remote as well)
Use ITunes to BUY and view digital content.
Download and burn digital content.
The list goes on…

Fifth, I never said the MacMini was the cheapest, only the best add-on components for an existing home entertainment system. You can get a PC to do some of this however the PC will only run Windows and Linux thus, making it less versatile than the MacMini for this purpose.

Six, I am not advocating Macs in general however I am advocating them for home entertainment use.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Eh, I wouldn’t say Mac is the answer. Mac OS is extremely stable (not surprising, built on a Unix kernal), but let’s not pretend it’s a miracle OS. It will crash, and part of its stability comes from the extremely limited hardware set supported by earlier versions of the OS in particular. Windows has to support everything under the sun.

I’d say it’s easier to fix Windows blowups, but I can’t vouch for that, since it might be sheer familiarity. I can fix any Windows issue, but on the occasions when I’ve had Mac OS blow up, it’s usually been an extra nightmare requiring a lot of tinkering in the shell. It’s still a good pick for someone doing only writing, web surfing, mail, or graphics.

But for someone like me, it’s unnecessarily limiting. I do games (sorry, consoles do not come close to a good gaming rig), graphics, office apps, and media streaming from my PC, among a thousand and one other tasks… Linux requires a lot of time to configure that way, if it’s even possible for some of the software I use, and Mac simply will not run most of it. Mac isn’t even superior as a graphics platform these days… hasn’t been for a while, so when I was getting my degree in graphic design, there was nothing anyone could do on the Mac that I couldn’t do on a Windows box.

It all comes down to what you need the machine for, ultimately, and what your skill level is.

E1701 on April 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Microsoft brought order to chaos and should be applauded and enshrined.

. . . (speechless)

Splashman on April 16, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Let be speechful here about what BS is the idea that MS helped the world. Gary Kildall of Digital Researh had a better OS than MS-DOS back in the 1970′s but Kildall didn’t have any dreams of monopoly like Bill Gates was successful with. If IBM had completed it negotiation with Kildall, we would have had a more interesting history of computing for the last twenty five years.

Of course, someone else may have taken the MS monopolist role for a while.

But the past is irrelevant. Now there is no reason to give a penny to Microsoft. It adds no value Its flagship product, the Windows Vista operating system, is inferior to all the alternatives: Mac, Linux. *BSD, OpenSolaris, and Solaris.

thuja on April 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM

My complaint with vista is the memory management or lack thereof really. SP1 has helped a great deal but it’s still a hog.

Beyond a somewhat higher baseline footprint (but with 4gb

someone on April 16, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Ack. Another try.

My complaint with vista is the memory management or lack thereof really. SP1 has helped a great deal but it’s still a hog.

Beyond a somewhat higher baseline footprint (but with 4gb under $80, what excuse is there now?), this simply misunderstands how Vista works: unused memory is wasted memory. Vista preloads stuff in there when it’s not being otherwise used. When it IS being otherwise used, the memory is simply cleared. A memory monitor program will never show low usage, but the effect is *faster* not slower performance.

As for the XP die-hards, why aren’t you all using Windows 2000 anyway? XP wasn’t an advance.

someone on April 16, 2008 at 9:27 PM

hasn’t been for a while, so when I was getting my degree in graphic design, there was nothing anyone could do on the Mac that I couldn’t do on a Windows box.

It all comes down to what you need the machine for, ultimately, and what your skill level is.

I agree. I too am in the industry and I have worked on multimedia projects on both Windows and Mac and the only difference these days comes down to stability. Mac are more stable and that’s it. PC-based machines tend to experience lock-ups when transcoding and like tasks far more than the Mac. As I was attempting to explain earlier, each OS has it’s niche. I use Linux for servers and the like for stability. I use Windows for games and productivity tasks. I use Mac for end-user multimedia tasks.

Claypigeon on April 16, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Claypigeon: Agreed, although in my case is was the other way around. The school machines we had to work with were G4′s, but faced with a dozen users a day and some very large photoshop files, they’d smash their skulls on a memory limitation and crash. My lower spec’d Windows Me PC at the time, which I’d spent time optimizing the hell out of, would chew through the same projects without a complaint.

But that says more about how badly the Macs in the lab were abused than anything else. ;) My only real gripe with the Macs, and the reason I did all of my major projects at home on my PC was that if the PC did crash, I simply rebooted and continued. Mac OS had the alarming habit of corrupting the data being worked on. One of my friends lost a multi-week project five minutes before a client presentation when he tried to make a minor tweak on an OS 9 machine… it crashed when he saved, and corrupted the entire zip disk so badly it had to be reformatted.

The only time in the ten years I’ve been building PC’s (and right now I’m maintaining around 400 of ‘em) that I’ve seen a comparable loss of data was just the other day when I accidentally kicked lose the eSATA cable to me external drive while doing a backup. *winces*

But yeah, the OS choice comes down to what you’re using it for, and your level of expertise. Most office users shouldn’t be let within fifty yards of a Linux box without having their hands bound, in my experience. :p

E1701 on April 16, 2008 at 9:43 PM

someone on April 16, 2008 at 9:27 PM

As for the XP die-hards, why aren’t you all using Windows 2000 anyway? XP wasn’t an advance.

Because they don’t actually have a clue what they’re talking about. They read some blog somewhere that told them what they were supposed to thing, gave them a couple of ideas to latch onto (memory hog, etc.), and they’re sticking to their guns.

Somebody above actually tried to argue that the *nix systems were more stable than Windows. LOL. Okay.

DaveS on April 16, 2008 at 9:57 PM

someone on April 16, 2008 at 9:27 PM

As for the XP die-hards, why aren’t you all using Windows 2000 anyway? XP wasn’t an advance.

Because they don’t actually have a clue what they’re talking about. They read some blog somewhere that told them what they were supposed to thing, gave them a couple of ideas to latch onto (memory hog, etc.), and they’re sticking to their guns.

Somebody above actually tried to argue that the *nix systems were more stable than Windows. LOL. Okay.

DaveS on April 16, 2008 at 9:57 PM

You are wrong on both your claims of substance. Vista isn’t a product to help the consumer at all. It’s just a product to benefit Hollywood with its DRM schemes. Good luck with that. The stability of Linux over Window has been proven time after time after time. Why are you denying it? Of the top ten servers on the net, only one runs a Microsoft product.

thuja on April 16, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Uh,but thuja, Linux is far from a consumer product itself. It is stable, and it’s a fantastic base for certain kinds of servers (although for business servers, you’re still better off with the wider support afforded Unix, Windows Server, or Mac Server), especially net and game servers.

But for consumer use? Sorry, when I stop getting people desperately searching for the “any” key, and who don’t try to use duct tape and pliers to install a monitor onto a serial port, then *maybe* we can think about using a friendly Linux GUI as a consumer option. But I’m not holding my breath. There’s about a dozen people in my office from whom we’d like to confiscate their computers and assign them abacuses until they prove they can handle something more complex… but we’re afraid of the tripping hazard of all the beads on the floor.

E1701 on April 16, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008

Dude, you have the audacity to call mac people elitists when you’ve had your nose so far up Bill Gates @ss for the past two days it’s comical. It’s almost as if your jealous that mac owners LIKE their computers.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

robblefarian on April 16, 2008 at 10:11 PM

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