The Obama myth, continued

posted at 7:11 am on April 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama has spent most of the last 15 months conjuring up a myth, a facade of “New Politics” to explain why voters should support someone with only three years of experience in national politics for President. This myth involves having hope that someone unencumbered by a long history of engaging special interests in Washington DC would bring a fresh look to policy and governance. Unfortunately, the veneers keeps getting peeled back– and we find the reality of the myth:

“Nothing’s changed,” Sen. Barack Obama says into the camera, “except now Exxon’s making $40 billion a year, and we’re paying $3.50 for gas. … I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore.”

Obama’s ad, which has been airing in Pennsylvania as the April 22 primary approaches, is technically true but misleading, as non-partisan FactCheck.org and Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign have been quick to point out.

It’s accurate that Obama doesn’t take money from oil companies; neither do his opponents, because corporate contributions are illegal. But Obama, like Clinton and John McCain, has accepted donations from oil and gas company employees — $222,309 in Obama’s case from donors from Exxon, Shell, Chevron and others, according to campaign-finance data. Two oil company CEOs have pledged to raise at least $50,000 each as part of Obama’s fundraising team.

Obama’s team tried a Clintonian parsing of the term “lobbyists”. They told USA Today that Obama’s claim is technically true because they don’t take money from oil company PACs. The impression his commercials leave, however, is that he doesn’t take money from the industry at all. Besides, why would a PAC need to contribute to his campaign when industry CEOs bundle five and six figures for him? No one seriously believes that a lobbyist would have better access than the titans who run the industry.

Obama offers a well-constructed lie based on the thinnest of partial truths. He wants us to believe that oil companies conduct themselves in destructive manners, and yet partners with the people who run them to get himself elected. Putting aside the mindless populism of demonizing oil companies, the hypocrisy here is obvious and laughable. If the industry is so evil and destructive, why associate himself with their CEOs at all, let alone make them part of his campaign?

As far as “lobbyists”, Obama has a very flexible definition here as well. He has raised over $125,000 from Greenberg Traurig, one of DC’s biggest lobbying firms, during this campaign. Greenberg is better known as Jack Abramoff’s lobbying firm, which found itself at the center of multiple federal crimes in regards to Abramoff’s dealings with members of Congress. He staged a fundraising reception in their Miami offices, which makes it pretty darned difficult to see how Obama has eschewed lobbyists in his “New Politics” campaign.

And as it turns out, this is a flat-out lie anyway:

Barack Obama often boasts he is “the only candidate who isn’t taking a dime from Washington lobbyists,” yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show.

Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator’s presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama’s campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign-finance data shows.

Thirty-one of the 38 are law firm partners, who typically receive a share of their firms’ lobbying fees. At least six of them have some managerial authority over lobbyists.

Team Obama’s response? The pledge that he won’t take lobbyist money “isn’t a perfect solution”. Does anyone recall Obama saying “I’ll try not to take lobbyist money”?

This isn’t New Politics, it’s the same old drizzly effluvium that machine politicians use to hoodwink voters. At least by the time most of them run for high public office, they have a track record that allows voters to excuse the contradictions between their rhetoric and their alliances. Obama doesn’t even have that — in fact, has no executive experience at all. His rhetoric about rising above petty politics and the connected microparsing of “lobbyist” and “oil companies” is all he has, and it shouldn’t be enough to run for President.

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Nicely assembled once more, Ed.

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning

drjohn on April 16, 2008 at 7:22 AM

I swear it’s Springfield’s only choice…
Throw up your hands and raise your voice
!
MONORAIL!
Once again?
MONORAIL!

UncleOlaf on April 16, 2008 at 7:23 AM

The pledge that he won’t take lobbyist money “isn’t a perfect solution”.

Disgracing him, driving him from electoral politics, and denying him the Presidency “isn’t a perfect solution” to the Obama problem. But we’re working on it.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 7:25 AM

Heretic!

How dast you accuse the chosen one of “drizzly effluvium”!

His effluvium is merely moist, with a fine sheen of bitterness.

heldmyw on April 16, 2008 at 7:27 AM

His effluvium is merely moist, with a fine sheen of bitterness.

I am trying not to wake the First Mate while quietly LMAO.

Ed Morrissey on April 16, 2008 at 7:34 AM

Though it is not a lobbying issue, when Obama (or any other politician) demagogues the high price of gas to garner populist support, he/they need to be reminded by aware consumers of the outrageous taxes that contribute to that figure…and that are far less than the profits earned by Big Earl.

onlineanalyst on April 16, 2008 at 7:34 AM

Barack Obama has spent most of the last 15 months conjuring up a myth, a facade of “New Politics” to explain why voters should support someone with only three years of experience in national politics for President.

When Ronald Reagan became President of the United States he had zero years in national politics.

At least if you use the traditional definition of national politics as meaning serving at a national level, like U.S. Senator, U.S Representative, U.S. President or U.S. Vice President.

I do know what you meant though.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:39 AM

Hey, B.O., here are two words to make you break out in a cold sweat: TONY-REZKO.

pilamaye on April 16, 2008 at 7:41 AM

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:39 AM

Come on MB4, Reagan was the Governor of California, but if you think it’s important to parse the word “national”, go ahead with the distraction. Barry says, “Thanks!”.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 7:47 AM

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 7:47 AM

Well national usually means national and I do endeavor to be accurate.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:50 AM

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 7:47 AM

A better tactic would be to say that he has no executive experience. But wait! Juan doesn’t have a whole lot of that either.

I knew there was a reason I was for Romney.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM

Liberal Math..

Oil=Blood

Blood=War

War=Evil

therefore,

Oil=Evil..

DaveC on April 16, 2008 at 7:57 AM

However, he is strangely silent about the extreme profit-taking in the arugala industry. How much money did he take from them to assure that silence?

bbz123 on April 16, 2008 at 7:59 AM

Ronald Reagan had years of national political experience, first with a ten-year speaking tour, then with his work on Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign. He also ran for President in 1976, only just missing the nomination at the last contested convention. Reagan had become a national leader of the conservative movement long before running for the presidency.

MB4, you must be quite young not to know this.

Ed Morrissey on April 16, 2008 at 8:05 AM

Barry was a “community organizer.” If that crap ‘aint national, I don’ know what is.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:08 AM

A neighbor of mine is one of those annoying “community organizer” types. One year she made me bring out weenies and beans and set it up on a table in the street while she closed the street off. It was horrible. I wouldn’t vote for her either.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:11 AM

onlineanalyst on April 16, 2008 at 7:34 AM

Good point. To expand on that just a bit… Gasoline producing companies make approximately 10 cents on a gallon of gas made and sold. These companies take all of the risk, pay for all of the overhead, and deserve to make a profit. Now, on the other hand; government (state, federal) each make a much larger profit from every gallon of gas produced and sold. The federal government makes 18.4 cents per gallon of gas sold, and they take no risk and pay none of the overhead. Each state makes a hefty profit as well. California makes a whopping 32 cents per gallon of gas sold.

Alabama 16 5 21 39.4
Alaska 8 8 26.4
Arizona 18 1 19 37.4
Arkansas 21.5 0.2 21.7 40.1
California 18 14 32 50.4
Colorado 22 22 40.4
Connecticut 25 4.7 29.7 48.1
Delaware 23 23 41.4
Dist. of Columbia 20 20 38.4
Florida 13.6 16 29.6 48
Georgia 7.5 4.7 12.2 30.6
Hawaii 16 19.1 35.1 53.5
Idaho 25 25 43.4
Illinois 19 11 30 48.4
Indiana 15 3.1 18.1 36.5
Iowa 20.1 1 21.1 39.5
Kansas 23 1 24 42.4
Kentucky 15 6.4 21.4 39.8
Louisiana 20 20 38.4
Maine 22 1.5 23.5 41.9
Maryland 23.5 23.5 41.9
Massachusetts 21 0.5 21.5 39.9
Michigan 19 7.2 26.2 44.6
Minnesota 20 20 38.4
Mississippi 18 0.8 18.8 37.2
Missouri 17 17 35.4
Montana 27 0.8 27.8 46.2
Nebraska 24.5 0.9 25.4 43.8
Nevada 23 10.3 33.3 51.7
New Hampshire 18 2.6 20.6 39
New Jersey 10.5 4 14.5 32.9
New Mexico 17 1 18 36.4
New York 8 22.3 30.3 48.7
North Carolina 22.1 0.3 22.4 40.8
North Dakota 21 21 39.4
Ohio 22 22 40.4
Oklahoma 16 1 17 35.4
Oregon 24 24 42.4
Pennsylvania 12 14.7 26.7 45.1
Rhode Island 27 4 31 49.4
South Carolina 16 0.8 16.8 35.2
South Dakota 22 2 24 42.4
Tennessee 20 1.4 21.4 39.8
Texas 20 20 38.4
Utah 24.5 24.5 42.9
Vermont 19 1 20 38.4
Virginia 17.5 1.4 18.9 37.3
Washington 23 23 41.4
West Virginia 20.5 4.9 25.4 43.8
Wisconsin 28.1 3 31.1 49.5
Wyoming 13 1 14 32.4
U.S. Average 17.9 5.7 23.6 42

Democrats won’t tell us these little facts. Government is the one making the huge profits off gasoline sales. When government removes taxes from the big picture, then they can talk up how big oil is raping the public; in the meanwhile, it’s big government raping the people rather than big oil!

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Ronald Reagan had years of national political experience, first with a ten-year speaking tour, then with his work on Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign. He also ran for President in 1976, only just missing the nomination at the last contested convention. Reagan had become a national leader of the conservative movement long before running for the presidency.

Ed, there was a reason why I said, “At least if you use the traditional definition of national politics as meaning serving at a national level, like U.S. Senator, U.S Representative, U.S. President or U.S. Vice President.”

There was also a reason why I said, “I do know what you meant though”.

MB4, you must be quite young not to know this.

Ed Morrissey on April 16, 2008 at 8:05 AM

Actually, no. I voted for Reagan – twice.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Actually, no. I voted for Reagan – twice.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM

So did everyone else.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM

The number to the far right represents the total amount taxed (federal and state combined) for each state. In California the total amount taxed for a gallon of gas is 50.4 cents.

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:19 AM

bbz123 on April 16, 2008 at 7:59 AM

We should also ask Obama to clarify his stance on the obscene profits in the book writing industry. Millions of dollars being handed over to authors (e.g., Sen. Obama), for what? I can’t ride a book to my dead-end job in the decaying inner city. No, I need a bus fueled (in some fashion) by oil. And then of course there are the environmental damages to consider…

I believe to move the country forward we need to change our perception of what’s evil.

scatbug on April 16, 2008 at 8:19 AM

I mean, hell, does Rush Limbaugh have many years of national experience?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:20 AM

So did everyone else.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM

Jimmy didn’t.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:21 AM

I’ve had to listen to that exact radio spot here in Raleigh, NC, at least twice a day during my commute. And that’s on the talk radio station.

JeffC_95 on April 16, 2008 at 8:23 AM

So did everyone else.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM

I dunno about Rosalynn though. She may have voted for Reagan.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Did you remember to ridicule Obama today? Do you your duty as a patriotic American.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 AM

I dunno about Rosalynn though. She may have voted for Reagan.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 AM

I think she’s a dominatrix. That type usually are. Can’t you just seeing Jimmuh being spanked and begging for more?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:25 AM

Did you remember to ridicule Obama today? Do you your duty as a patriotic American.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 AM

I ridiculed Ted Kennedy today. Does that count?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:26 AM

I think she’s a dominatrix. That type usually are. Can’t you just seeing Jimmuh being spanked and begging for more?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:25 AM

That would explain a lot.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:27 AM

I ridiculed Ted Kennedy today. Does that count?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:26 AM

Yes, considering the time in your western socialist paradise. Well done.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM

I mean, hell, does Rush Limbaugh have many years of national experience?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:20 AM

He’s not running for office, he’s running the campaigns.

fogw on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 AM

That would explain a lot.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Funny you should bring up dominatrix(es). Someone said that Obama is the black Jimmy Carter (I still tend to see him more as John Kerry’s younger brother.) That makes Michelle into Rosalyn. I could totally see Michelle in high-heeled boots whipping Barry, and making fun of him for being white.

Are all Dem. spouses dominatrixes? Does that make bill one?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 AM

He’s not running for office, he’s running the campaigns.

fogw on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Yeah, right into the ground.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:34 AM

He’s not running for office, he’s running the campaigns.

fogw on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Would you vote for him if he was the Republican nominee for President?

I don’t believe he is running any of the campaigns. Last I checked anyway. He may think he is, I suppose? If he does, don’t anyone tell him he’s not.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:36 AM

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM

You would be correct to say Obama has no executive experience and a very thin resume’ in the Senate, but he was a community activist, he’s been to Pakistan, he served on the board of the Woods Foundation with Bill Ayers, and he prefers Arugula to common lettuce and despairs over its high price, so surely that counts for something.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Can you imagine what “big government” would look like today if we didn’t have Rush Limbaugh policing our politicians?

Thank God for Rush and those who followed his lead!

Let’s not forget, the GOP has many elitist punks also (Trent Lott comes to mind) that want Rush silenced just as badly as the Liberal punks such as Reid, Murtha, and Pelosi.

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM

Funny you should bring up dominatrix(es).

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 AM

I believe that you brought up dominatrix(es). Credit where credit is do.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:39 AM

Would you vote for him if he was the Republican nominee for President?

Yes. Similar types wrote our founding documents.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

JiangxiDad & MB4,

Tongue in cheek guys.

Rush is full of Rush.

fogw on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Can you imagine what “big government” would look like today if we didn’t have Rush Limbaugh policing our politicians?

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM

That’s right. If we didn’t have Rush then we would probably have millions upon millions of illegal aliens in our country and a prescription drug program for seniors and a gazillion earmarks.

Oh, wait!

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Yes. Similar types wrote our founding documents.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Not really.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:43 AM

I believe that you brought up dominatrix(es). Credit where credit is do.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:39 AM

Due continue. You suggested that skinny little guys like Barry have “exotic”, perhaps submissive sexual tastes. Back it up.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:44 AM

That’s right. If we didn’t have Rush then we would probably have millions upon millions of illegal aliens in our country and a prescription drug program for seniors and a gazillion earmarks.

Oh, wait!

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

We’d have more, and there wouldn’t be organized opposition to it.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:45 AM

Not really.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:43 AM

Oh, ok.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:46 AM

In my America, Rush’s face would have been carved into Mt. Rushmore, along with the other founding fathers.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:47 AM

and he prefers Arugula to common lettuce and despairs over its high price, so surely that counts for something.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM

That would make him better than Juan, as Juan is only into common lettuce.

HELP PICK LETTUCE AT $50 PER HOUR FOR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:47 AM

In my America, Rush’s face would have been carved into Mt. Rushmore, along with the other founding fathers.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:47 AM

I would prefer Goldwater.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM

I would prefer Goldwater.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:48 AM

It sounds a little Jewish, but a rose by any other name…

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:51 AM

We’d have more, and there wouldn’t be organized opposition to it.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:45 AM

I think that about half the population of Mexico is up here now, seems like it anyway.

The same “organized opposition” that is going to stop Juan Plantation McCain from getting the Republican nomination?

That one?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Can you imagine what “big government” would look like today if we didn’t have Rush Limbaugh policing our politicians?

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM

That’s right. If we didn’t have Rush then we would probably have millions upon millions of illegal aliens in our country and a prescription drug program for seniors and a gazillion earmarks.

Oh, wait!
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

A fool fails to recognize an asset from a liability…

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM

The same “organized opposition” that is going to stop Juan Plantation McCain from getting the Republican nomination?

That one?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Why didn’t Romney get the nomination. You know and I know. What does that have to do with Rush?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 AM

It sounds a little Jewish, but a rose by any other name…

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:51 AM

Barry Goldwater was half ethnically Jewish, although he wasn’t exactly very religious, and he was the father of modern day conservatism, what’s left of it anyhow.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 AM

Why didn’t Romney get the nomination. You know and I know. What does that have to do with Rush?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 AM

I don’t know. How did Romney get into this?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Barry Goldwater was half ethnically Jewish, although he wasn’t exactly very religious, and he was the father of modern day conservatism, what’s left of it anyhow.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 AM

I was kidding. I know precisely who he was. Although I didn’t know that he was jewish, or part-jewish, or whatever.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM

A fool fails to recognize an asset from a liability…

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM

A fool can’t think of any other rebuttal than to call someone else a fool.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM

A fool fails to recognize an asset from a liability…

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM

A fool can’t think of any other rebuttal than to call someone else a fool.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Oh, wait a moment that would be a super fool. My mistake.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:59 AM

I don’t know. How did Romney get into this?

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM

Get into what? Losing? He lost because of anti-mormon sentiment. What does that have to do with Rush?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:59 AM

I was kidding. I know precisely who he was. Although I didn’t know that he was jewish, or part-jewish, or whatever.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM

I figured that you knew more than you were letting on. I do kid on occasion myself.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 9:01 AM

More smugness from Barry…

He does think he is a bit better than everybody.

benrand on April 16, 2008 at 9:04 AM

Get into what? Losing? He lost because of anti-mormon sentiment. What does that have to do with Rush?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:59 AM

That’s what I want to know. Where did I connect him to Rush?

You said -

Why didn’t Romney get the nomination. You know and I know. What does that have to do with Rush?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 AM

Where did I say anything about Romney before that other than

A better tactic would be to say that he has no executive experience. But wait! Juan doesn’t have a whole lot of that either.

I knew there was a reason I was for Romney.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM

which had to do with Juan and Obama, not Rush.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 9:06 AM

MB4:

You said something to the effect that Rush wasn’t much of a leader since we ended up with McCain. I said that McCain’s victory/Romney’s defeat had nothing to do with Rush’s lack of leadership– it had to do with bigotry, not politics– something that Rush cannot control, nor be held responsible for.

McCain won because of religious differences among Rep. voters, and because some other candidates forgot to try hard. It had nothing to do with Rush, imo.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Why would oil company CEOs support Obama? Does that make any sense at all? Are they just hedging?

Beo on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 AM

A fool fails to recognize an asset from a liability…

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 AM

A fool can’t think of any other rebuttal than to call someone else a fool.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM

Lacking in ability to “think of any other rebuttal” to your comments is not a dynamic I suffer from… Being part to destroying a perfectly good thread is not something I wish to participate in.

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 AM

Well national usually means national and I do endeavor to be accurate.

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 7:50 AM

You mostly endeavor to be a dickeater.

Jaibones on April 16, 2008 at 9:41 AM

That’s right. If we didn’t have Rush then we would probably have millions upon millions of illegal aliens in our country and a prescription drug program for seniors and a gazillion earmarks.

Oh, wait!

MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 AM

What’s your point MB4? Rush opposes every single one of those things.

Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 9:43 AM

His effluvium sucks, but his effulgence is even worse.

Bighack Obumble.

profitsbeard on April 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM

BO is going to hit the GE like a bug hits a windshield.

ronsfi on April 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Good thread hijack there. It seems that experience, pertaining to the presidency, is relative. I can think of no one, excepting an incumbent, that has ANY experience in being president–so the question of experience, imho, is moot.

irongrampa on April 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Are lawyers working at Greenberg Traurig’s Miami offices considered “Washington Lobbyists”?

I’m sure they travel, but technically what Obama’s ad says is true. He’s just waltzing on the edge of truthiness. It’s enough to bring him votes and enough to draw critiques from his opponents in order to bait them into a conversation topic that he wins almost every time.

gabriel sutherland on April 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM

The Italian Obama Lost Big! .

Anita on April 16, 2008 at 12:25 PM

I can think of no one, excepting an incumbent, that has ANY experience in being president–so the question of experience, imho, is moot.

irongrampa on April 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM

That’s silly gramps. A governor has executive experience running a state government that is organized in similar fashion to the national gov’t. If said governor comes from a large state, and has previous gov’t or private sector business experience, so much the better.

But since the question of experience is moot Grandpa, how ’bout one of your grandkids for Pres?

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Whoooo Hoooo my state won for highest gas tax. What’s my prize?

HawaiiLwyr on April 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

So did everyone else.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM

I wish I could have. I turned 18 in the Summer of 1988.

So my whole life has been voting for Presidential candidates I was never very wild about. It looks like this year will be no different.

I have to say Im a little jealous of my Obamaton friends. They are really nuts for him. Only a few of them are starting to admit he’s a fraud- although “anything’s better than Bush” always gets a mention.

Chuck Schick on April 16, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Thanks for shining a light on this, Ed. I live in PA and I’m continually assaulted by the commercial in which Obama states, “I’m the only one who doesn’t take their money.”

Very few Hillary commercials here, btw. But LOTS of Obama spots.

World B. Free on April 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM

His rhetoric about rising above petty politics and the connected microparsing of “lobbyist” and “oil companies” is all he has, and it shouldn’t be enough to run for President.

Sure it should. anyone born in america should be allowed to RUN for PRESIDENT. winning now is a different story. Let him run all he wants the American people will reject him. even bush and carter (our two worst presidents in the last 50) had experience has governors. so BHO chances of winning are slim to none.

unseen on April 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Looks like there’s a little stain on Barry’s blue dress… and that stain is filthy oil money. Can a finger-wagging denial be far behind? “I did not have commerce with that oil-company executive…”

Lord knows the GOP throws up some iffy candidates, but could the Democrats please produce at least one candidate who isn’t a complete fraud?

Doctor Zero on April 16, 2008 at 1:26 PM

I could totally see Michelle in high-heeled boots whipping Barry, and making fun of him for being white.

JiangxiDad on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 AM

They’d both be in a better mood then.

Hah!

baldilocks on April 16, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Effluvium – a slight or invisible exhalation or vapor, esp. one that is disagreeable or noxious, and not related to sex.

Ed, you must keep threads on some semblance of topics :)

Entelechy on April 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Obama and lies, get used to it.

Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 5:24 PM

HawaiiLwyr on April 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM

I feel your pain…

Keemo on April 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Disgracing him, driving him from electoral politics, and denying him the Presidency “isn’t a perfect solution” to the Obama problem.

If he loses to McCain he has his senate seat to go back to. I would like to see a rule, binding resolution, law or whatever you want to call it, that if a member of Congress wants to run for a higher office he/she has to resign his/her Congressional seat first. But we know that will never happen.

abcurtis on April 17, 2008 at 9:25 AM