Open thread: The “There will be blood” debate
posted at 7:25 pm on April 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on ABC. Wright, Bittergate, Tuzla, oil PACs — all of it likely to come up in the first 20 minutes, followed by another dreary, interminable hour of talking points and razor-thin distinctions drawn between their almost indistinguishable policies. She has to swing hard and he likes to counterpunch, so we may, at long last, have an honest to goodness Operation Chaos-brand cage match to entertain us. Is there any hope left for our gal? Not much, but some:
When asked how superdelegates should decide which candidate to support, nearly half of Democrats said they should follow the overall popular vote, while just one in eight said the number of delegates won in primaries and caucuses should be the deciding factor. Nearly four in 10 said superdelegates should choose the candidate they think is the best.
Other polls point to the state popular vote as being the favored metric, which isn’t quite as good but ain’t bad either. Liveblogging to commence below shortly, video to follow later if there’s anything clipworthy. Sound off if you’re watching.
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Annie will pull out of Iraq and leave them to certain slaughter. Just like Vietnam. Finally, we have a connection between the 2 wars that could actually be true.
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:56 PM
So we’ll run away in a very responsible manner.
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Forget this, American Idol is coming on.. >:}
Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 8:56 PM
How does surrendering Iraq help Afghanistan. Boy if I were al-Qaeda, I would be dancing around the room right now.
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:57 PM
What a douchebag! Having read Michael Yon’s book, the C-I-C DOES listen to his Generals!!!! Obama, you know JACK about war!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 8:58 PM
i am just not even believing what i am hearing, sorry
trailortrash on April 16, 2008 at 8:59 PM
If we surrender in Iraq, we might as well kiss Afghanistan goodbye. Don’t these two have any clue how wars are won?
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Wow a Krauthammer question.
Complete7 on April 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM
If we elect one of these two, the next 9/11 is only a matter of time.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM
bnelson, neither of these idiots have ANY clue about ANYTHING. That’s the sad and scary thing.
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:00 PM
So, has everyone donated to John McCain tonight?
http://www.johnmccain.com
He should record this debate and make it a commercial
:)
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 9:01 PM
A decent store manager could be a better Prez than either one.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:01 PM
If either of these idiots becomes president we had better buy flak jackets and build bunkers because this poor country will be defenseless.
rplat on April 16, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Being the weak horse in Iraq is really going to strengthen our hand with Iran. (And with the bad guys in general.) Somebody should tell these idiots that Iran’s right next door.
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:04 PM
does sinbad still have his flak jacket
malkinmania on April 16, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Who in hell does NOT know her damn website address????
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM
So, Obama, what happens to people who make $75K-$200K?
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Homeowner who doesn’t itemize? How do you do that? You have to have Schedule A to claim the interest and property taxes.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM
75,000 is middle class. Does that mean that anything more is rich?
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Agreed!
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM
Um.. what’s the trick for being able to participate in the chat room?
Weebork on April 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM
OMG, Charlie’s PRAISING capital gains tax reduction!!!!!!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Apparently you have to make wiser observations than those I’ve been submitting :)
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
boy the big o is dieng fast
trailortrash on April 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
The live chat is just to submit questions.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Yeah. He looks like he’s foggy. Probably needs a snack.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:11 PM
“50 people made 25 billion…and that’s not fair.”
There you have it. Success makes Obama mad.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Obama without a teleprompter: No Words!
Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
90’s…..internet boom……and BUST!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Why didn’t GW get any of the credit for when the Stock Market soared to all-time highs? Oh, that’s right… I forgot… if it’s good for Bush, it’s not news-worthy.
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Or a smoke.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
They put a bunch of people to work, ya know. Not gubmint.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Obama says he believes in “Pay as you go”. The problem is, it’s paying with other people’s money.
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:13 PM
Please tell me Rush has the “Capitol Gains rate isn’t about revenue, it’s about fairness”
LO freaking L
Micheal on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Hey, you stupid idiot… why should we reward losers who sign on to something they know they CANNOT afford??? If you don’t read the fine print on the ARM contract, that’s YOUR problem.. NOT OURS!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM
You better believe I know it. Obama doesn’t seem to. I know a couple of those billionairs. They give hundreds of millions to charity as well.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Lying through teeth on capital gains tax, she is.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM
I know!!
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Socialism. What Obama and Hill are all about.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Didn’t the Clintons avoid paying the high rate of income tax by shuttling the income into trusts so they only PAID capital gains tax?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:15 PM
I almost peed myself I was so happy he said that.
Micheal on April 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Caped on SS. They never get a benefit beyond a person that makes 100K. What a lying asshole.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Barry’s still pissed that he got caught with the “clinging” comments.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Obama doesn’t understand tax code — he’s wrong. Low level people at HR block know more than this jerk.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM
There was a huge thread on DU today full of people ripping on Obama for saying that he would raise the capital gains tax. I had to make sure I was still reading DU.
rw on April 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM
SS? Bush DID have a priority to save SS. The Dems kept voting it down.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM
It was not good judgement to start talking about raising taxes on April 16. Duh.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
So much for listening to it. It’s essentially over by now.
Now I wait for all the zinger clips. Hopefully there’s also some good substantive clips.
Oh, wait. I already know what they’re going to say! So I guess I await the zinger clips
Weebork on April 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Lots of ways to fix SS. Yes, take more away from the rich.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Progressive! Drink!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Exactly
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
What will the dems do for SS? Write more IOUs?
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
I love Obama right now. He is torpedoing himself. Bring one the general election!
Micheal on April 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Rob Peter
to pay Paul.Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Why would I care what Dakota Fanning has to say about politics.
Complete7 on April 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I’m worried. I think that we might win the general election by such a large margin that Barbera Striesand actually blows up.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Quote of the thread.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM
New poll up top. Go vote!
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 9:22 PM
[Jonah Goldberg]
I don’t cry “class warfare!” very often. But the beginning of Obama’s capital gains tax question was amazing stuff. He conceded the premise that revenues go up when you cut capital gains taxes. But he said it would be worthwhile to raise them nonetheless as an issue of “fairness” because some people are making too much money. In other words, even if the government loses money to pay for all of the wonderful things Obama wants to do, it’d be worth it because sticking it to rich people is a good in and of itself.
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
A VP candidate named Romney would come in very handy for disposing of Hill and Barry’s ridiculous accounting theories.
RBMN on April 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
I did not like McCain’s sh*t-eating grin when he was ramming immigration reform down our throats, but I will enjoy seeing it at the debates when he wipes the floor with this empty suit.
chief on April 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
2nd Amendment. Oh, lordy.
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:24 PM
PA loves guns!!! Let’s hear what these two think.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Can’t.Watch.Anymore.
Turn.TV.OFF.
Head.Going.To.Explode.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 16, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Put criminals in prison, and they won’t get a gun. Problem solved.
RBMN on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
If so many of the guns used in crimes were gotten illegally? How would more unenforced laws accomplish anything?
Huh? Hillery?
Micheal on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Yes, Hillary certainly speaks for “most” legal gun owners.
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
“Keep guns out of the wrong hands” says Clinton.
Wrong hands = who? I’m guessing everyone but her grand pappy.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Obama: “Local govt. overrides the Constitution”
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 9:29 PM
“just because you have a constitutional right to bear arms doesn’t mean that states and localities can’t limit these rights” says Obama.
Ummm, Yes it does.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
except in the case of abortion.
rw on April 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
I think BO is going to have to clarify that to say, “My handwriting was not on that QUESTION”.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Dare I say it?
Maybe it IS a good time to be a Republican after all.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
“34 gun deaths”. Would it make you feel better, Barack, if they fell outa windows? /Archie Bunker off
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
The inconsistancy….it just makes me want to throw up.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Brilliant. In the name of “fairness” he’ll screw hundreds of millions of Americans just so he can stick it to a few hedge fund managers.
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
One of many great Bunker quotes.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Sure I sport shoot. That’s not why I have guns.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 9:32 PM
34 gun deaths.
Man up and call it what it was. 34 black drug dealers killing each other.
Say it Obama and I’ll vote for you.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
I step away from politics for a day,and bam theres a debate
on the go,grr!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
There ought to be a law against saying “there ought to be a law”.
Micheal on April 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Hillary: One US Constitution for New York. One US Constitution for Montana.
What law school did she go to again?
RBMN on April 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Amen, Wise Golden….
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
“ladders of opportunity”
Everyone drink!
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Affirming Affirmitive action,very interesting!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
Universal pre-k
everyone drink!
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:35 PM
i thank god everyday i wasnt born a democrat
trailortrash on April 16, 2008 at 9:36 PM
“We don’t have a potential gap”. What the hell does that mean?
ReubenJCogburn on April 16, 2008 at 9:36 PM
“34 gun deaths” in Chicago, Obama? Why aren’t you calling for an immediate withdrawal of Chicago PD officers in order to spare their lives?
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
BHO: I still believe in affirmative action.
HRC: I favor affirmative action generally.
Pandering to the base, most of whom are feverishly clattering away on their keyboards writing scathing emails to ABC demanding Stephanopolis and Gibson be fired.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Hmmmmmmm no oil in the reserve. Use it! Iran and Saudi will love to hear that.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
investigate gas prices…shees. give me a break — is she actually blaming Enron? Release the strategic supply? Whaaaaa?
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
This is even more interesting, two Democrats decribing
Affrimitive action!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Ah the “windfall profits tax” scheme.. good-going, Hildabeast.
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Here we go Dirty rotten filthy rich Big Oil!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Fact: 1970 average american spent 6% of income on gas.
Fact: 2007 average american spends 4% on gas.
It’s Bush fault says obama
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Priceless,The Bush question!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
former presidents — like Carter going to Hamas
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM
No, Hillary.. NO! DON’T ASK FORMER PRESIDENTS FOR HELP ON FOREIGN POLICY! Jimmy Carter is PROOF of that unfortunate idea!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Indochina is devoid of decisive military objectives and the allocation of more than token US armed forces in Indochina would be a serious diversion of limited US capabilities.
- Joint Chiefs of Staff, 26 May 1954
If you want to educate yourself some on the Vietnam war read THIS from the US Army War College Quarterly, Winter 1996-97.
Also read H.R. McMaster’s “Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam.”
BTW, H.R. McMaster is a West Point graduate who earned a Silver Star for battlefield prowess during the 1991 Gulf War
after his armored cavalry troop stumbled across an Iraqi mechanized brigade in the middle of a sandstorm and destroyed it.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM
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