Open thread: The “There will be blood” debate
posted at 7:25 pm on April 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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8 p.m. ET on ABC. Wright, Bittergate, Tuzla, oil PACs — all of it likely to come up in the first 20 minutes, followed by another dreary, interminable hour of talking points and razor-thin distinctions drawn between their almost indistinguishable policies. She has to swing hard and he likes to counterpunch, so we may, at long last, have an honest to goodness Operation Chaos-brand cage match to entertain us. Is there any hope left for our gal? Not much, but some:
When asked how superdelegates should decide which candidate to support, nearly half of Democrats said they should follow the overall popular vote, while just one in eight said the number of delegates won in primaries and caucuses should be the deciding factor. Nearly four in 10 said superdelegates should choose the candidate they think is the best.
Other polls point to the state popular vote as being the favored metric, which isn’t quite as good but ain’t bad either. Liveblogging to commence below shortly, video to follow later if there’s anything clipworthy. Sound off if you’re watching.
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That was one helluva trippy movie.
Vizzini on April 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Let’s get errready to errrrrrruuummmmmbbbbooooolllllll!
ronsfi on April 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM
I wish the Dem’s would just get this over with. I wanna see McCain up there again!
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Since the coronation was canceled, Clinton has been totally inept. For her sake, I hope she’s been studying an anatomy book so she can find Obama’s spleen.
In short, if their isn’t arterial spray, she’s failed.
moxie_neanderthal on April 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Too bad this democrat cage fight will be over some day, and Osama or Hitlery will still be talking.
Right_of_Attila on April 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Are you sure about that? I think he is doing a better job behind the scenes. Less chance of him saying something stupid.
Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 7:45 PM
There will be popcorn…munch…munch…munch….
29Victor on April 16, 2008 at 7:45 PM
excellent poll question…I had to say “no” tho….
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM
OT, I know, but is it just me, or….
Do the pictures and video of Shillary knocking a few back in a blue collar bar actually…
…
…maker her….
…
…seem…
…human?
…
Dare I say, likable? (Note, that is most assuredly NOT “lickable”.)
Don’t get me wrong! I’d rather vomit battery acid through my nose – hourly – then see Shillary as POTUS… But, I’d like to give a girl her due….
darkpixel on April 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I truly, truly believe McCain would clean the floor with either Dem in a fair debate.
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I dont see a link on ABC yet for the live stream…they not doing that?
Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 7:51 PM
I hope for her sake she’s been drinking. In vino veritas!
I suspect it will take a few boilermakers or at least 1/2 bottle of cough medicine to loosen her tongue. But she needs to mix it up with the guy otherwise status quo=status ante.
Either way, I hope both corners forgot to bring their cut guy.
moxie_neanderthal on April 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Obama will drink her milkshake…drink it all up.
Big Daddy Cool on April 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Real small audience…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
just as the old quote says “you dont have to be crazy to be a liberal…but it certainly helps”
SoCalInfidel on April 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Spendell, Chelsea, and the mayor of Philly are sitting together in our girl’s corner.
malan89 on April 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Obama wins the flip. Tails never fails!
malan89 on April 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Live feed here: http://a.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livemedia?section=news/politics&id=6083174
Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Hillary’s like the challenger here who has to score a knockout, and its unlikely she’s going to get it on the already publicized verbal gaffes/personal association problems Obama has, both because he’s very smooth in a scripted situation, and because Clinton really can only take the attacks so far, given many of the Democratic voters in urban area Pennsylvania, let alone the superdelegats watching, don’t have a problem with what Obama says or does, only with the fear other voters will come November.
She’s got to catch him off-guard on an issue he hasn’t prepped for, or the questioners will have to do it (is George S. still carrying water for Bill and Hill? He’s going to hear those accusations from the left if he grills Barak too hard). Any result tonight that’s close to a draw will be spun by a majority of the TV and print talking heads as a win for Obama, and at this point, all he’s got to do is stay close in Pennsylvania next week to earn a big media victory.
jon1979 on April 16, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Barry says people are frustrated that they can’t even get the gas money to find a job. Maybe Barry could run on drilling in ANWR.
Annie Oakley is rewriting American history vis a vis what the founders had in mind.
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Making sure cameras are around when you do a shot with common slobs does not make her look any more human at to me. It is as contrived as the time Kerry and Edwards went to Wendy’s.
Betcha she is a mean drunk too.
Mr. Excitement on April 16, 2008 at 8:09 PM
If you can’t dazzle with brilliance baffle with BS. Doofus question non answers.
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM
The green line on the screen to the right must be the bull$hit detection meter. It keeps going up every time either of them speak.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Here it comes: bitter bitter bitter
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM
This might actually be a tough-questioned Dem debate. Quite a difference from Matthews and Olby as moderators…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Oh here we go “Let me explain what I meant….since you’re too stupid to understand.”
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Haha, called that one Ed.
Vigilante on April 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM
And Barry, under your socialist, top-down elitist government, they’ll listen even less
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Hillary didn’t go for the haymaker.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM
“It’ll be a Democrat, and we’re gonna make that happen”…
whatever it takes, Hillary…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:17 PM
How many words is she going to give to that one word answer?
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM
I don’t think it’s wise for Annie to use words like “cauldron”. Brings up images of people flying around on brooms.
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Hillary endorses Barry!
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Hillary is doing pretty well so far
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Barry endorses Hillary!
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:19 PM
It’s not my fault I called the mid-west bible thumping gun toting racists. They can’t understand me.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Every notice that the clearer the statement a dem makes, the more they have to clarify what they said. Own it Barry, own it.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Darned Republicans…jumping on comments…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM
I wonder if Bittergate will be the focus of this entire thing.
It seems like they’ve been on it for a long time now, ever since I turned on the TV.
Typhonsentra on April 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Talking about records now when neither really has one. “Proven record of results.” What results Hill?
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:22 PM
This is getting boring quickly.
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:23 PM
More “distractions” rhetoric from Obama… I’ve counted 3 thus far.
Drink!
MrSteve on April 16, 2008 at 8:24 PM
God, has there been even one question about policy in the past thirty minutes? Gibson is a horrible moderator.
Typhonsentra on April 16, 2008 at 8:26 PM
Uh-Oh, Gibson didn’t let it go and Hillary is upping the ante.
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:27 PM
How’s the research into BO’s attendance at the sermons going?
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Obama is not doing well with this Wright stuff
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Rev Wrights were “objectionable?” How about just plain old wrong.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM
Do either of these dolts have any substance at all?
rplat on April 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM
911 was America’s fault. Good job Hill.
chief on April 16, 2008 at 8:29 PM
That is “Re Wright’s comments…”
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:29 PM
Hey Barry, is that baggage getting too heavy?
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:30 PM
yuk.
I don’t know how you people can watch this garbage.
The sound of either of their voices make me cringe.
SaintOlaf on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
OMG, the “He was a marine” comment.
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I miss Fred! and his one-word answers.
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
I apparently have the debate at an hour delay (I’m in Boise), so don’t ruin the ending for me!
frankj on April 16, 2008 at 8:31 PM
So was Lee Harvey Oswald.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Obama: ….and someone I disowned.
Steph: You disowned him?
Obama: Ummm, the comments. Yeah, I disowned the comments.
malan89 on April 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Clinton brings up Hamas!
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Go Charlie GO!
Looks like Georgie Boy is getting his paybacks too!
iam7545 on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Now it is Clinton’s turn
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
LOL…she just called herself a liar. Game over.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Sniper Fire now!? I’m dying here, this is horrible. It’s all about the gaffes, not one issues question and it’s been 10 minutes since the last time I brought it up.
Typhonsentra on April 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM
Clinton should leave Basnia along.
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Excellent Limerick
rplat on April 16, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Can’t get ABC over the air broadcast.
Can’t get ABC over Direct TV.
Can’t stream video over dial up.
Can’t get cable.
Can’t get broadband.
I am so SOL!
rockhauler on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Wow. She admitted she lied.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Is this thing really going to go for 2 hours? This is painful.
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
So, have you all donated to John McCain tonight?
http://www.johnmccain.com
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
LOL! Good one.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 8:35 PM
What the hell is he doing? VP?
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM
True…McCain is winning this debate.
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Barry, I don’t think it’s a good idea for you to say that we face the most difficult challenges in 40 years. You’re a rookie, remember?
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:37 PM
no flag tonight
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
He is a liar.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Obama spins the flag question…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Obama grew up in Hawaii and Oregon not Kansas
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:39 PM
Is he wearing the Flag pin??
calgrammy on April 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
Ladders…..in the form of a pale blue check.
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
wow – AND these idjits were afraid to debate on FOX?
roflmao – Charlie and Georgie are chuckin spears!
iam7545 on April 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM
What’s the next question?
“Senator Clinton, why do you hate America?”
Typhonsentra on April 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM
I cannot help but love this country???? Like it’s a struggle to do so??? WTF!!!!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Careful….
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Nope. Only wore it for as long as he had to yesterday.
He’s a filthy liar.
IrishEi on April 16, 2008 at 8:42 PM
smack, pow, kerplunk!
Limerick on April 16, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Clinton decided to go negative for now. The Dems aren’t going to like it, but I don’t know what else she can do.
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Barry, Barry . . . 40 years ago we were committed to a war in Vietnam and it was the year of the Tet Offensive. Not to mention the cultural revolution and the civil rights movement. I don’t know what you studied in that Ivy leauge school but it sure as hell wasn’t history or politics in any form familiar to most of us.
rplat on April 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM
It takes Annie to mention what Snuffy forgot – the Woods Foundation. And Barry, you think it’s appropriate to compare Tom Coburn to Bill Ayers?
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Comparing Tom Coburn with Ayers??? OMG! As an Okie I am OUTRAGED!
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Is that sniper fire I hear?
Oldnuke on April 16, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I take one bathroom break and I miss the Ayers punch!
Mallard T. Drake on April 16, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Commercials now, you can go back to the bathroom
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Obama Bashing Tom Coburn isn’t going to help him!
Obama = Mega Liberal
Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 8:48 PM
This is a beautiful display of the implosion of the DNC.
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Barry is looking upset now – Can’t wait for the O’Reilly body language analysis! lol!
This is great!
iam7545 on April 16, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Holy crap, a policy question!
Typhonsentra on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Why the hell did Obama bring up Tom Coburn for?
My antipathy is getting higher..
Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Hillary just gave a very stupid answer
bnelson44 on April 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM
i have antipathy toward liberals!
Chakra Hammer on April 16, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Listening to you, madam, requires a willing suspension of disbelief.
MsUnderestimated on April 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Hillary voted for the Iraq war…and she can stand there and complain about it?
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 8:56 PM
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