Dem Debate: Obama’s Waterloo
posted at 10:30 pm on April 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The last Democratic debate has finally concluded, and perhaps the last chances of ending the primaries early. Thanks to a surprisingly tenacious set of questions for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton from ABC moderaters Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous, Barack Obama got exposed over and over again as an empty suit, while Hillary cleaned his clock. However, the big winner didn’t even take the stage tonight.
The first 45 minutes of the scheduled 90-minute debate (which went 15 minutes over) wound up focusing on the series of gaffes and stumbles from both candidates. Hillary more or less defused the Tuzla Dash by admitting she essentially lied about it, trying at one point to use the “sleep deprivation” defense. Obama, however, never did figure out the First Rule of Holes. Once again, he described religion as a refuge people use when government doesn’t work — a fatal misreading of religious faith in America. He not only came up with bad answers, he looked lost and tentative throughout the entire period.
Hillary didn’t let him off the hook, either, not when it came to Crackerquiddick or on the Wright Stuff. Noting that “you choose your pastor, not your family,” Hillary once again pounded Obama for not doing anything about Wright when he had the chance. She also jumped at the chance to note that former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers was more than just a “neighbor”, as Obama described him. Hillary pointed out that Obama and Ayers worked on a foundation together for years, even after 9/11, even after Ayers said publicly that he didn’t regret his terrorism.
And what was Obama’s response? He compared Ayers to Senator Tom Coburn, who opposes abortion. Of course, Coburn hasn’t bombed abortion clinics, but Obama can’t tell the difference between a Senator and a terrorist. That won’t help him in Middle America either, and Coburn may have a few words for Obama after this night.
By the time Gibson got around to the issues, Obama looked lost and upset. It got worse when Gibson asked about capital-gains tax rates, which Obama has pledged to raise. When Gibson repeatedly pointed out that decreasing the rates actually increased the revenues, Obama simply couldn’t come up with an answer, stammering while trying to change the subject. On guns, both Hillary and Obama stumbled through tortured explanations of how they support a Constitutional right for individuals to own guns while backing gun bans like the one in DC.
The winner of this debate? John McCain. Both Democrats came out of this diminished, but Obama got destroyed in this exchange. If superdelegates had begun to reconsider their support of Obama after Crackerquiddick, they’re speed-dialing Hillary after watching Gibson dismember Obama on national TV tonight.
And kudos to ABC News for taking on both candidates fearlessly. John McCain has to feel grateful not to be included. Don’t forget that you can read through our live blog at any time.
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Do you think Pope Benedict can put a special request in with the Big Guy to keep this thing going till the convention?
(Of course by “Big Guy” I mean Rush Limbaugh.)
D0WNT0WN on April 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Hillary drank Obama’s milkshake! She drank it up!
PBoilermaker on April 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Waterloo…good choice of words. If I were a Democrat, the decision would be very clear to me and I would vote for Hillary so that she could loose to McCain instead of Obama.
Wise Golden on April 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Yet, the Drudge poll shows Obama having won 61-39.
amerpundit on April 16, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Hear that stampeding noise? That’s the sound of religious holdouts against McCain heading for his side.
Religion as a refuge against poor government? My my, you piss off a whole slew of people with that one, and not just evangelicals.
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM
I hope they both stay in the race long enough to be damaged permanently so neither of them are viable in future races.
EJDolbow on April 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Yet, the Drudge poll shows Obama having won 61-39.
Eh, too soon for sober realizations of the disaster to have hit the rank and file. But in the end its not them who be deciding the dem nominee, its the power brokers who have to decide about whether or not its smart to stay with an increasing weak horse.
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Didn’t the Drudge Poll also show Ron Paul winning? Its not exactly “scientific”. Plus, even if it were accurate it doesn’t matter if the 61% vote for B. Hussein Obama. Just so long as the 39% switch over and vote for McCain.
D0WNT0WN on April 16, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Great recap, Ed.
I think Sen. Coburn may be Barry’s ex-friend by tomorrow. So much for bringing people together.
Buy Danish on April 16, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Got to love Obama’s false equivalences.
I really doubt this debate changes much. Team McCain better not get cocky about Operation Chaos.He’s the underdog IMO.
ninjapirate on April 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Yay!
AbaddonsReign on April 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Meanwhile, Matt Drudge reports poll results that have Obama beating Clinton 61% to 39%.
It is of the highest importance in the art of detection to be able to recognize out of a number of facts which are incidental and which vital. Otherwise your energy and attention must be dissipated instead of being concentrated.
Holmes on April 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Yet, the Drudge poll shows Obama having won 61-39.
There’s this thing called the mob mentality that a lot of Obama’s supporters seem to have. I hate to say it, but I think we’re seeing a little sample of how democracies can elect dictators. Are most of Obama’s supporters really behind him because of a reasoned consideration of his positions?
kc8ukw on April 16, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Coburn is just a frustrated, racist, typical white person.
Blarg the Destroyer on April 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Yes, it did show Paul winning. It gives you an idea of what at least 10,860 Obama fans are doing this evening, though.
amerpundit on April 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM
I suppose this says more about who’s reading Drudge than it does about the actual debate, which pretty clearly went the other way.
bofh on April 16, 2008 at 10:43 PM
i supported gun rights before i voted to take guns away from rural america, health care for all so i can raise your taxes to give your 14 y/o neighbor a free abortion. go democrats
custer on April 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
btw RUSH you magnificent bastard
custer on April 16, 2008 at 10:44 PM
As Micheal mentioned in the open thread, it was striking that, when Obama was confronted with the facts about capital gains taxes, he fell back on raising the rate out of “fairness”.
mikeyboss on April 16, 2008 at 10:45 PM
If Ron Paul had been on the Drudge poll I’d bet he’d be in the lead.
funky chicken on April 16, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Are most of Obama’s supporters really behind him because of a reasoned consideration of his positions?
Considering that the only real position Obama has offered on anything is the word “change”, I suppose you could say his minions have done their due diligence in that regard.
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 10:46 PM
True dat. And yes…kudos to Gibson and Steph for kicking it up a notch. But remember…when the general election rolls around, they ain’t gonna be nice to McCain.
Mac has to be ready.
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 10:47 PM
But,But Cnn is making out it’s Hillarys Watereloo!
canopfor on April 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM
for real?
funky chicken on April 16, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Of course both dems will allow you have a gun, but the guns will need to be triple-locked in a safe, the safe buried in a hole and the hole shipped to a government warehouse under the capitol building. You can have a gun, you just can’t ever use it. Simple.
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Elitist don’t do well when asked those oh so mundane questions like capital gains tax and revenue. And BO could no more sever his ties with Ayers than his good friend Tom Coburn. Shudder!
If BO survives this, he will certainly get the nomination. I’m looking forward to the fall.
d1carter on April 16, 2008 at 10:51 PM
No but many of Dole’s…I mean many of McCain’s “supporters” are.
LevStrauss on April 16, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Barack “Chickens” Obama got cooked in his roost.
Stephanopoulos and Gibson deserve kudos for some real questions for a change.
Michelle’s going to Beeyotch-slappin’ Barry later tonight.
profitsbeard on April 16, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Amen, brother.
Baphomet on April 16, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Yes, yes, yes! This could not be better! The dem-sheep are in LOVE with Obama and nothing NOTHING! will diminish that love. But the superdelegates know what awaits him in the general, thereby giving Hillary a chance to go all the way to the convention, where the nutbags Recreate 68 will SHOW the entire nation why we must have adults in the whitehouse.
My prediction: Obama gets the nomination this summer and his clock gets cleaned in the fall.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
JustTruth101 on April 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM
I didn’t know anything about Sen Tom Coburn, so I went to Wikipedia. Coburn’s got a 100% American Conservative Union rating. No wonder Obama thinks he’s a terrorist.
jgapinoy on April 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Isn’t that why the first settlers came to the New World in the first place. To have freedom of religion. A refuge against the poor government of Europe. And helped build the greatest country this world has ever seen.
atxcowgirl on April 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM
You can’t possibly compare Obama supporters and McCain supporters like that…
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Word.
Blarg the Destroyer on April 16, 2008 at 10:55 PM
…Obama looked lost and upset.
That won’t stop the Obamatrons from voting for him. Nothing will.
…Gibson repeatedly pointed out that decreasing the rates actually increased the revenues…
Whoa, WHAT? Somebody in the media admitted THAT?!
Tony737 on April 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Let’s not forget…the “objective” mainstream media very nearly got the emptiest suits of all, Algore and Jean-Claude Kerry, elected to the highest office in the land in the last 2 erections. (not a typo there, BTW)
They don’t like to lose three times in a row. So they will do all they can to get (whoever) elected, as long as it isn’t McCain.
Del Dolemonte on April 16, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I’ve noticed that about Gibson lately, I think he has been beginning to see the light.
atxcowgirl on April 16, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Nothing was better than the payroll tax increase issue. After Clinton swore NO tax increses for those who earn less than 250K, Gibson asked Obama to clarify that he agreed.
Gibson then set the table and Hillary took graciously, calling Obama out on his proposal to raise the payroll tax increase for those who make over 75K a year, to which Charlie basically admonished Obama as a tax increase for the middle class.
It was priceless watching Obama stammer, and being caught in a blatantlie, yet again.
I agree with Ed, even though I despise Hillary as well.
This statement of fact pretty much sums it all up as far as the debate goes.
+1 for that comment.
awake on April 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Forgot my six-coat teflon — hit the sky,
Half way to Denver — ‘fore I realized.
Well I trashed the rednecks — behind billionaire doors,
Some blog biddie betrayed me — when Hill rains she pours!
Now it’s a dirty long ride down the donkey trail,
And the channels change as the newsies wail,
Let ‘em quote Wright’s wrongs, I’ll just glow like the Grail,
– — – — – All the way to Denver!
Well I got to Denver y’know — it took sixteen years
And there was Bill — I smacked his red ears
Some bimbo said “Climber witches — you’re all the same.
Gal, he’s your broomstick” — but I felt unashamed.
Yeah it’s a dirty long ride down the donkey trail
As your name burns saddles you get cash on the nail
‘N you gotta ride dirty, gal, and never be stale
– — – — – All the way to Denver!
ForNow on April 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Slight correction: 97K not 75K.
awake on April 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Reminds me of the following quote.
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F15Mech on April 16, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Denver = Circus City….
ParisParamus on April 16, 2008 at 11:18 PM
They are going crazy in kosland.
Bwahahahahahah!!
ArmyAunt on April 16, 2008 at 11:20 PM
President John McCain, I salute you as our next Commander-in-Chief.
jencab on April 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
These people have been exposed over and over yet they still have strong support. Obama would have to be thrown in prison not to get the nomination, and even then it would probably be close…and most the American population is probably not even paying attention to all of Obama’s lies like we are.
It’s going to be McCain and Obama, and it will be a tally of the intelligence of the average voting American.
WisCon on April 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
So…no more magazine covers with a heavenly aura behind Obama?
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
so sayeth the koskiddies
ArmyAunt on April 16, 2008 at 11:26 PM
“Crazy” is putting it mildly! And those Dems were afraid of FOX News?
JetBoy on April 16, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Ed Morrissey, you seem optimistic about Hussein losing this year and forever, as you said days ago.
Do you know something his voters don’t know?
Indy Conservative on April 16, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Obama is a douchebag. It’s sad watching him search for newer and better lies every time he gets slapped.
Jaibones on April 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM
go vote:
http://abcnews.go.com/
ArmyAunt on April 16, 2008 at 11:32 PM
so sayeth the koskiddies
ArmyAunt on April 16, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Yep, I also took a pause to peruse KOS and a few others and thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle. You can almost smell the hysteria and fear.
Bishop on April 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Frank Luntz Focus Group says that McCain won the debate too!
Jay on April 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I believe that he did precisely that and was most serious.
There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.
Holmes on April 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
No, no, no…
On the Showtime Jr. Rotisserie. That’s where.
newton on April 16, 2008 at 11:39 PM
They are going nuts at HuffPo…ABC had to have known they would invite the wrath of the far left with those questions.
With CBS news in shambles and NBC in the tank for the Dems, could ABC be trying to play to the moderate/conservative audience? It worked for FoxNews…
WisCon on April 16, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Yep. Ever since Peter “Snit” Jennings’ demise, ABC News has been getting better & better.
jgapinoy on April 16, 2008 at 11:45 PM
I was very pleasantly surprised by Gibson’s questions. Especially when he was being tough about the capital gains taxes and he kept pushing the gun rights issue.
Maybe things are looking up.
cjs1943 on April 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM
That link you provided was to a site that called McCain a liberal…so stupid.
jgapinoy on April 16, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Ed:
Your analysis about the debate was dead on. You hit a home run as your comments and conclusion was EXACTLY how I felt about the debate. Obama really lost it tonight and anyone with any intelligence would avoid him like the plague. I hate Hillary but I hope she gets the nomination. I went to the Naval Academy with John McClain and know him; and while I don’t agree with him on many issues, I will now actively support him to be sure neither of these two crazies ever will be elected as President and CIC
The Prof on April 17, 2008 at 12:08 AM
That was interesting. I didn’t watch the debate or the follow up, so thanks for posting the video.
BTW, I notice you’ve revamped your site a bit. Looks good!
Connie on April 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Imagine how nervous Bill Richardson feels right now.
a capella on April 17, 2008 at 12:20 AM
McCain is a liberal.
dogsoldier on April 17, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Am I allowed to laugh at that? Just askin.
baldilocks on April 17, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I was thinking to myself in the first half of the debate that Democratic voters deserve better candidates than Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They are just not good candidates.
terryannonline on April 17, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Lieb would give Johnny a run for his money but the Dems had to Zell him.
Limerick on April 17, 2008 at 12:36 AM
So tell me again, what reason does Obama give for being “religious” himself??
Rosmerta on April 17, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Well, Republicans like him, so he has to be bad!
terryannonline on April 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM
So ABC is now part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. They’re everywhere Koskidz. Everywhere!
ronsfi on April 17, 2008 at 12:43 AM
2dems1cup
It’s kind of disgusting to watch, peoples’ reactions to it are pretty funny, and you don’t want to find yourself in a meaningful relationship with anybody who would do what they did in public.
Sekhmet on April 17, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Consider this. When questioned about Wright, a racist, conspiracy theorist, he compares him to his own Grandmother (who helped raise him). When questioned about Ayers, an unapologetic terrorist, he compares him to Tom Coburn, a U.S. Senator (trying to stand up for the rights of the unborn).
He would rather slander someone close to him than actually repudiate someone worthy of it.
Taken together these equivalences are extremely telling, and extremely worrying. He thinks he is being slick when he is transparent as glass and repellent to boot.
Dr. Manhattan on April 17, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Maybe, but it might be an honest reading of either Michelle or Barack himself. Both have indicated that they don’t think the government is working for them, that CHANGE (TM) is needed. If they have that feeling, and they feel that they and their fellow parishioners turned to TUCC and the Reverend Wright to assuage that feeling, then there it is, right there.
And maybe the prevalence of gun ownership and abuse in the inner city is the result of those feelings. Maybe the choices of targets for drive-by shootings in LA is the result of those feelings. Maybe all those urban union rants against NAFTA, and even Barack’s own position on NAFTA, are the result of those feelings.
Maybe Barack has it right — for him.
unclesmrgol on April 17, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Trying to respond here, without political prejudice. Don’t know if it will come out that way. I know plenty of honest Joe’s on that side of the aisle. They believe. I don’t get that impression from Obama. When I hear him speak I keep thinking of the fella that tried to sell me something I didn’t want. He just kept on, and on, and on. I didn’t buy it. It wasn’t because the product was bad, it was the feeling that the fella was trying to snooker me. Obama just doesn’t convince me that he believes in anything, other then flim-flam that is.
Limerick on April 17, 2008 at 1:05 AM
I’d hold off calling this Obama’s Waterloo — not because the candidate wasn’t woefully maladroit on several questions you have to assume he never expected a non Fox News TV interviewer to ask, but because his followers are so fanatical this won’t damage their passion for him in the least.
He won’t lose his core support, so then it’s a matter of not turning a bad night into a train wreck, by compounding his problems with follow-up gaffes between now and the Tuesday election. Remember, despite the Obamaniacs howls about ABC now being part of the VRWC and even taking into account Stephanopolous acting as Hillary’s hitman, the majority of the big media folks are still in Obama’s corner, so that anything but a free fall in the final vote totals in Pennsylvania, will be spun as showing Barak wasn’t damaged by tonight’s debate, in the same way Obama was using polls on Tuesday to show people didn’t mind his “bitterness” remarks.
They did, and that, plus the Ayres and Social Security questions in the fall will hurt him, if he makes it that far. But if he does make it there, all this will be just a memory in the papers and on TV, and it will be up to McCain not to give the big media outlets any openings to conjure up pre-election scandals that they’ll hope will take the voters’ minds off Obama’s problems. He might be able to do it, but hopefully he’s not counting on his friends in the media to do to Obama in October what ABC did to him tonight.
jon1979 on April 17, 2008 at 1:07 AM
Don’t count Obama out just yet. His followers are relentless and loyal to a level that is borderline fanatical> Obama can do no wrong in their eyes and they’ll blame his poor performance on the “unfair” and “hatchet job” questions asked by the moderators at ABC News rather than on Obama himself. They will donate like crazy to help him after tonight. Just watch, he’ll get a spike in donations after tonight.
Yakko77 on April 17, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Yep. People at the comments over at ABC News are saying to donate him.
terryannonline on April 17, 2008 at 1:21 AM
One doesn’t get elected by fanatical supporters who have nothing to do but get all psychotic on Kos or voting 59 times in a row on bs Internet polls; one gets elected by millions of normal, tax-paying Americans who have real jobs
Believe me, a lot of people are starting to get some buyer’s remorse with this brainless Obama nullity.
TexasJew on April 17, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Bad McCain picture…reminds me of Mickey Rooney.
Obama did better than Bush did in his debates.
He’ll survive.
alphie on April 17, 2008 at 1:29 AM
I’d say this would be more accurately called his Leipzig. He’ll come back. And November will be Waterloo.
calbear on April 17, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Less of a Waterloo and more of a Mama Mia.
profitsbeard on April 17, 2008 at 2:13 AM
A possible Waterloo for Obamessiah, but also a possible Borodino for Hillary; she’s driven Obama from the field and put him into retreat, but she may still end up taking a Moscow that’s been burned to the ground.
McCain?
Right now, he’s looking like Nimitz at Midway.
SuperCool on April 17, 2008 at 2:36 AM
He changes the words, but he’s talking straight out of the Marxist playbook:
Paraphrase: “Religion is the opium of the people.” –Karl Marx. Here is the actual quote. It even sounds more like Obama.
p40tiger on April 17, 2008 at 2:44 AM
The real story in all of this is that these are the two US Senators in the Democratic party who looked like the best candidates for president.
If these were the best, what does it say about the rest of the Democratic congresscritters?
njcommuter on April 17, 2008 at 4:12 AM
I was waiting for the audience to yell “Good answer, good answer” like on the old Family Feud whenever Barry strung two words together that made sense.
He doesn’t have the mental horsepower (RACCCCISSSST) to get all lawyerly in real time, on TV under the lights, when asked mildly tough questions.
Maybe he needs some affirmative action to make the questions less difficult.
I’m waiting for some commentator to bring that angle in, Sowell perhaps.
benrand on April 17, 2008 at 5:25 AM
What’s “Operation Chaos”…?
J_Gocht on April 17, 2008 at 6:46 AM
ABC has never been as far left as the other two networks. That’s the way Presidential debates are supposed to work and it shows how pathetic our choices are for our next President. What a bunch of arse covering, pandering emty suits!
orlandocajun on April 17, 2008 at 6:58 AM
Can’t go along with you on that. Do you get kudos for doing your job? Finding it extraordinary that the media did it’s job for once isn’t deserving of kudos. It’s deserving of never-ending condemnation, as usual. ABC and the rest of the MSM has an election to win. As superdelegates, they have a nominee to pick, a campaign to run, an election to win, and a country to rule.
JiangxiDad on April 17, 2008 at 7:19 AM
I suppose everyone thinks “normal” is what they grew up with and become accustomed to. In that sense, the Dems have two bad candidates. But if you go back just a little further, or talk to someone your parents age, the mere fact that two socialists are running, both unqualified in terms of prior experience, and both supported by people who see nothing other than gender or race, you may begin to see how truly extraordinary, and potentially catastrophic this is for the country. Believe me, this is so much more than just two bad candidates. It’s a defining moment in American political and social history.
JiangxiDad on April 17, 2008 at 7:24 AM
None of the criticisms of Obama matter to the Liberals. They’ll love him no matter what. It’s the independent moderates who, (when they take their heads out of their @ss’z and start to pay attention), will have to ponder all the Leftist connections, Black Liberation Theology, and Liberal Secular condescention of mainstream America the Obama family believes in. Then we’ll see some interesting polling.
davecatbone on April 17, 2008 at 7:25 AM
Obama is as shallow a man as I have ever seen. The color of his skin permits him to make the kind of mistakes that would destroy any other candidate. He has become the proverbial “sacred cow.” The one who cannot be criticized lest those who criticize him be forever branded a racist. Well call me a racist I guess. For a Harvard graduate, he is an incredibly stupid man.
sdd on April 17, 2008 at 7:26 AM
This comment by Andrew Sullivan probably explains the Drudge poll results:
Got that? He’s getting killed up there, but that just makes Excitable Andy love him all the more.
Dudley Smith on April 17, 2008 at 7:31 AM
His entire life has been about racial preferences, and special “get out of jail free cards”. It got him into Harvard, it got him a win in electoral politics in IL, it got him into the US Senate, and it allowed him to mount a viable candidacy for President. He’s not stupid. He went with the system that nourished him his entire life, and that always worked– until now. In any case, what was his choice? To go straight at this point? Too late. He made his bargain with the devil, now the devil is demanding his due.
Faust you genius!
JiangxiDad on April 17, 2008 at 7:43 AM
Return of the Carpetbaggers?
OldEnglish on April 17, 2008 at 7:46 AM
That’s a reader poll and the only tentative conclusion one can draw from it is that there are more Obama fans than Hillary fans reading Drudge.
rplat on April 17, 2008 at 8:07 AM
ED Once again, he described religion as a refuge people use when government doesn’t work
OBAMA then politically they end up focusing on those things that are constant, like religion.
The reality is, his first quote was in reference to politics. The funny thing is, Karl Rove built an entire politcal strategy around EXACTLY what Obama said. If you were either A) Brighter or B) more honest, you’d see this.
This is why this whole taken quotes and beating them to death is so tiresome and infact odious. Ed, come on. You’re twisting his words to make it sound like he believes government is on a higher plain than religion… more important.
This is such an outright misrepresentation, I don’t know how you can feel good about it. It’s such BS. And that’s all you guys do on here. Take statements and misrepresent them so the person (mostly Obama) fits this storyline you’re shilling. It’s the lowest form of politics. Great work you’re doing here, you should really not be proud of it.
Tom_Shipley on April 17, 2008 at 8:09 AM
Suppose, for a moment, that what you say is correct (although it isn’t.) Why would a little bunch of word-twisting, discriminating people on this website have much effect on the good sense of the Am. people–those that don’t twist words or look to ensnare Obama with his own?
Do you really think Obama’s candidacy is in jeopardy because people at HA treat him unfairly? President Obama has much more to worry about than a few disgruntled right-wingers over here. And if you think HA is just a small example of a larger phenomenon that is being played over and over in different parts of the blogosphere and media and American public, then maybe your assumptions about him need to be questioned. Also, is Hillary and her half of the Dem party also right-wing word-twisters? It’s beginning to sound like you’re more and more alone in this Tom.
50% of Americans oppose the Democrats, 40-50% of the Democrats oppose Obama. That’s the majority view.
JiangxiDad on April 17, 2008 at 8:18 AM
What’s ?
Please, anyone…!
J_Gocht on April 17, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Do you really think Obama’s candidacy is in jeopardy because people at HA treat him unfairly?
Probably not, but that’s beside the point. The point is REALITY. And when I see someone like ED, who I once thought was rational, make a living off twisting it to feed political agendas, it pisses me off.
Tom_Shipley on April 17, 2008 at 8:21 AM
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