When one’s religion is invented by a science fiction writer, one should ask a few questions.

CP on April 15, 2008 at 11:55 AM

And a bad SciFi writer that that.

- The Cat

Some cults are better than others.
Scientologists … good.
Polygamist Mormons in Texas … bad.
BowHuntingTexas on April 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

You bring up a very good question.

Which cult is worse…scientology or mormonism?

Well, the mormons are worse for other people as they were torturing and raping and kidnapping little children for their own polygamous idolatry.

Yes, Spiritually they are both anti-Christ religions, but the mormonism is worse because it takes people who are called by Christ, leads them to sin,perverts Christianity and claims they are Christians who are following Christianity and therefore do not need salvation.

Scientologists will most likely figure out they are not saved and need salvation and will run to Christ eventually.

Mormonism deceives mormons into thinking they do not need it.

Yes islam is also an anti-Christ religion and extremely dangerous, but which cult is the average American more likely to follow: islam or mormonism?

SaintOlaf on April 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Yaayyyyy the obligatory know-nothing-insert anti-Mormon-argument post from St. O, patron saint of evangelical trolls. Each ignorant post further illustrates your lack of depth on all things Mormon. Do me a favor brother, and just give in. It’ll make you feel that much better. You know you want to. We’ll even let you keep the Saint title you love so dear. Thank you for checking in on this topic: I couldn’t go a day without seeing you go sideways on another fundamentalist tangent.

The really scary part…

2:29 for the win.

warrenmr on April 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM

That WAS my cousin. (No, not the guy in the video). It took almost 10 years to come back to some sense of reality. So when you mention Scientology, it leaves a really bad taste for me.

If you’re naive enough to think that they’re NOT a cult…Run, as fast as you can, away from them.

Too true, and it is working for Algore as well.

Wow, scientology has a lot of baggage; its amazing to me that people would go for that kind of thing.

Hey, don’t laugh, in Australia there’s an actual Jedi church!

On second thought, go ahead and laugh!

Some cults are better than others.

Branch Davidians … bad.
Scientoligists … good.
Polygamist Mormans in Texas … bad.
Polygamist Muslims all over the place … good.

BowHuntingTexas on April 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Hummm, just convince the Scientologists to move the main headquarters to Texas and it won’t be long until their headquarters is either raided and everyone taken to jail on a possible false premise or their compound will be burned down to the ground with all the scientologists inside.

SaintOlaf

all your posts!

Nothing like taking every opportunity possible to bash Mormons. Is your faith that insecure that you have to bash other faiths in order to promote your own? Why the unadulterated hate? Guess it really doesn’t matter in the eternal scheme of the Creator. He knows what He is doing and you are just a man, subject to all the follies of being a man.

On another note, the compound in Texas is not part of the LDS/Mormon faith that is headquartered in Salt Lake City. Furthermore, comparing the two as one and the same is like comparing all denominations of Christian Sects (to include Mormons)as the same faith as Catholics which is really just an apostate faith as the Jewish Religion according to the Jewish faith.

American more likely to follow: islam or mormonism?

SaintOlaf on April 15, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Combined they both constitute less than 2% of the American population.

People are far more likely to be agnostic or atheist (15% of the American population).

Scientologists will most likely figure out they are not saved and need salvation and will run to Christ eventually.

Mormonism deceives mormons into thinking they do not need it.

You can say that every non-Christian religion teaches adherents that they don’t need to be Christians. It’s only a deception if they know it’s a false teaching. Since Mormons, and Muslims, and Jews too are expressing their faith honestly, in good faith as they believe it to be, you can’t call it deception.

Now do I think the hierarchy of the CO$ are engaged in deception? Yeah, I’m pretty sure they don’t believe that crap but enjoy the power and the perks.

If you want to see how subversive the CO$ is and to what lengths they’ll go to suppress criticism, try to find a copy of A Piece of Blue Sky by John Atack, a former fairly high level Scientologist, at a public library. Lyle Stuart, who published the book said at the time he’d never seen such a massive effort to prevent a book’s publication. While you may find the book in the card catalog, the book may not be available because some $cientologist dumped it in the trash. Gay activists did the same with Michael Fumento’s Myth of Heterosexual Aids.

You can read and download Piece of Blue Sky here:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/

Check out http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/ for more info.

ColtsFan on April 15, 2008 at 3:01 PM

I posted before I saw your latest post.

My apologies too.

No worries.

ColtsFan on April 15, 2008 at 2:48 PM

OK, I can see what you are trying to do here. Trolling for a atheist vs. religion debate.

But the one problem is L. Ron Hubbard wasn’t sharing any kind of truth. What L. Ron Hubbard did was make up a religion because thats where he thought the money was. This is about a for profit corporation masquerading as a “church” and their enjoying all the tax free benefits that being declared a church brings with it. I don’t see a God versus Man correlation here. I don’t even see how debating the tenets of this cult even comes close to the direction your going.
I’m not trying to be an ass here, I just think you picked the wrong thread to introduce your argument.

It’s like basing your life’s philosophy on the teachings of Stan Lee.

It’s clobbering time!

While I’m sure Lee has flaws, like all humans, he’s a saint compared to LRH, so maybe it wouldn’t be so bad.

Hopefully, Scientology will never merge with WeightWatchers. It would be unstoppable!!

So, how does Nietzsche’s perspective fit into any of this?

Sammy316 on April 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Sammy316,

my bad, man.

When I initally watched the video, the first thought that jumped into my mind was “Epistemology 101.” And then my later comments posted here were just a knee-jerk reflection of that.

Sorry for veering off-topic.

L. Ron Hubbard said that Jesus Christ was just an implanted thought that the alien souls called thetans carry around. Implanted by the evil alien overlord Xenu to mess with us because evil Xenu is evil.

So, how does Nietzsche’s perspective fit into any of this?

Sammy316 on April 15, 2008 at 2:35 PM

That is a fair question.

The relevance of the Nietzsche issue is that the far majority of us HA readers, including me, are very quick to criticize R. L. Hubbard’s Scientology for lacking rational support.

And many of these anti-Scientology threads tend to generate a lot (at least in the past) of interesting and insightful comments by HA readers who are atheists.

And I thought it was noteworthy to draw out the issue of logical consistency here between the atheist Nietsche’s views on Truth and R. L. Hubbard.

Just an observation.

Theta trap?
Clear?
Engram?

This foul mouthed scientologist clearly explains the dilemma of the scientologists.

He said becoming “clear” doesn’t happen in scientology, no matter how much you spend.

They just can’t get rid of their bad memories..

There is only ONE WAY to get rid of your bad memories..and that is to become a new creature.

I can attest to this fact.

“Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new”

When a person becomes a born again Christian, all things become new…he is a new creature.

Praise God!

If you repent,turn from your sin and put all your faith in the blood of Jesus Christ which saves us…you will become a new creature.

Your old painful memories will no longer have any hold over you.

It is an unexplainable mystery, a miracle!

Hopefully that scientologist sees this and tries it.

It is exactly what he is looking for and can’t find anywhere else!

This will soon surpass the top video on Xenutv’s Youtube Channel. Wise Beard Man is being disrespected!

This is WBM’s video. Its on his channel.

L. Ron Hubbard said that Jesus Christ was just an implanted thought that the alien souls called thetans carry around. Implanted by the evil alien overlord Xenu to mess with us because evil Xenu is evil.

So, how does Nietzsche’s perspective fit into any of this?