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My Day of Scandal (and Media Alert)

posted at 7:35 pm on April 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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It’s been a tough day here at the Morrissey household. I awoke to the sound of sniper fire in my office, forcing me to dash under the desk rather than do my normal greeting ceremony with my keyboard and a cup of coffee. After ensuring that Sinbad and the Little Admiral could conduct their show, I determined that the sounds of sniper fire came from a hard drive that had a meltdown overnight. All of my data and all of the programs necessary for my blogging and the Ed Morrissey Show had disappeared.

Embittered, I grabbed my gun and my Bible. I looked around for someone to hate, but the First Mate was the only one here — and I’m not stupid. Of course, I had to get to work, but I looked around in vain for a federal government solution to my problem, increasing my cynicism. That meant I had to fend for myself, and so I stopped clinging to my gun and Bible long enough to spend most of the morning adapting my backup laptop for the show today.

After the show was over, I took the computer back to Best Buy, which couldn’t track down the warranty information. I told them that I needed this resolved quickly, as I had some recipes on my hard drive, modified from a Baker’s Square codebook that I wanted to post as my own on Hot Air. They scoffed at the notion, saying that the drive had eaten my recipes, which might explain why it died in the first place. (I’m not a good cook.) They finally found my warranty, but their cynicism further embittered me to the point where I bought a Bible program for my computer.

Did you know that Best Buy doesn’t sell guns? Not even in my small Midwestern town?

I’ll have to rebuild the PC’s system when Best Buy replaces the hard drive. That will likely take all week. At 7 pm CT, I’ll discuss my bitterness with Rick Moran on his BTR talk show. By that time, I may find an immigrant or two to disparage as well, and I’ll have to restrain my anti-trade sentiments.


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TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Shhhh, you’re going to depress the Mac users here. They think Macs are the only boxes that can do “That Stuff”.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM

The one good thing I’ve read about Macs is the time machine/time capsule software that does automatic backups to Apple’s over-priced, “fashion forward” external HD. It’s good for people like Ed that STILL refuse to do the simplistic tasks of making backups even after reading all the horror stories of lost files….no offense.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Apple 500 GB Hard Drive $299.00

Western Digital My Book Premium II WDG2T10000N 1TB or 500GB or RAID 1: $269.99

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Macs are for people who think it’s all magic.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Backups

Sorry…just saying. (Don’t tase me bro!)

Limerick on April 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM

It’s been around for a long, long time on PCs with programs like Norton Goback. Gateway used to load it on their PCs 5 years ago as a way to keep their support costs low. They just had people rollback their machines when they ran into problems.

I’ve never had, needed, or even wanted automatic backup software, but I could see why manufacturers would be smart to put it on. I’ve heard of Goback, but I didn’t know Gateway used to load it on at the factory. They used to have a great reputation, they’ve gone down hill since they started making that eMachines crap.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM

For all my fellow Mac haters.

You’re not using the Mac, you’re sharing the Mac experience!

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Don’t go near Vista, it is a resource hog. WinXP is more stable, more secure, and proven technology. I love open source, but various products aren’t written to run on it.

Mooseman on April 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Vista is better than XP, “resource hog” is all in how you what the system to behave..

Vista was designed to do exactly what is it doing, its called Superfetch, programs that you use most of the time stay in memory so that you do no have to load them every time, this make the system faster. Since XP dumps is memory all the time it has to reload the programs into memory all the time, this was done because RAM at the time was Expensive, now RAM is cheap you can get 4GB for less than $100

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Yes you are correct but Mepis is much better at configuring wireless and flash right from the install.

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:30 PM

I tried both Goback and Ghost..Once. Each caused problems for me. I ended up removing the programs and just doing manual data backups. I don’t do system backups I just backup the data that I don’t want to lose.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Yes you are correct but Mepis is much better at configuring wireless and flash right from the install.

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Oh I like Mepis better than Ubuntu…

But Whats better Mepis or Mint?

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Might I recommend GHOST ver9 , backup magic and an external HDD? Ghost your C drive monthly and set scheduled task to do incremental daily.

TheSitRep on April 15, 2008 at 9:39 PM

The freezer thing worked for me. I didn’t image the drive, but used knoppix to selectively pull some files off to an external drive. Key word is “selectively”. The freezer only buys you so much time, and I did lose some lower priority data.

SocklessJoe on April 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM

I never liked GoBack..

I like Acronis TrueImage

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM

If you don’t like Ghost which I’ve used for years, try True Image. If you have a seagate or maxtor in your computer, you can get a copy for FREE! That’s right. Just go to Maxtor and download Seatools for windows. It has True image built in. It check to make sure you are using one of their drives so it won’t run if you don’t have at least 1 connected somehwere – it can even be an external drive….

Always create images so if the worst happens you’re not spending 3 says rebuilding your system. You just restore the image to a new drive (or the same drive if it is still healthy and the data just got corrupted). I’ve built way too many machines from scratch to knowingly risk that pain!

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM

I tried both Goback and Ghost..Once. Each caused problems for me. I ended up removing the programs and just doing manual data backups. I don’t do system backups I just backup the data that I don’t want to lose.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM

any ghost prog after 9 aka 2000 is dung.

you can’t professionally and reliably do a system back up whilst the said system in running. must boot from floppy,cd or thumb.

TheSitRep on April 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM

Macs are for people who think it’s all magic.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Yeah, so? My Mac has the prettiest display ever. And I don’t want to know what’s inside it anyway. :-)

funky chicken on April 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM

TheSitRep on April 15, 2008 at 9:42 PM

ROFLMAO! Tell that to all my clients you have had their asses saved by restoring Ghost images that I make them create nightly.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Acronis True Image… I believe you can get a light-weight version if you own an external maxtor or seagate drive.

darkpixel on April 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM

now RAM is cheap you can get 4GB for less than $100

There is NO excuse for not having enough RAM.

Vista is better than XP

I wouldn’t say that, not yet at least. If you’ve got a decent processor, a new(ish) video card, at least 1GB (the more, the better) of RAM, AND 40GB of hard drive space (that’s enough to fill up some PC’s HD before upgrades or externals) then Vista should be fine. But too many people have those bargain basement, Black Friday Dells that they got at Wal-Mart for $299 and now they’re all pissed that Vista runs like sh*t. Well, you get what you pay for.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Acronis True Image, download the new version BURN CD, boot from it.. backup and make images.. >:}

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM

funky chicken on April 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM

YOU FAIL.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:46 PM

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM

I built this computer over a year ago before vista came out and it runs great with Vista Ultimate(it even ran great with the integrated onboard video, I upgraded it though to play games)

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM

You went through the trouble of building your own machine and you bought a MB with integrated video! Shame on you! ;-)

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Oh I like Mepis better than Ubuntu…

But Whats better Mepis or Mint?

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:38 PM

I have not tried Mint yet, looks nice though.

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM

I’ve got a Seagate external drive I use for backing up data. Right now all of my vital data resides in three different separated places. It doesn’t take all that long to back it up. I’ll just continue to do it manually. I have a habit of slicking the hard drive every once in a while anyway and just starting from scratch with a new clean install. I still like XP and don’t intend to go with Vista anytime soon. I use Vista on my laptop only because that’s what came on it.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Here is a great little list of goodies for a fresh window install.

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Acronis True Image… I believe you can get a light-weight version if you own an external maxtor or seagate drive.

darkpixel on April 15, 2008 at 9:45 PM

http://www.acronis.com/enterprise/products/ATICW/

Total Cost $79.99

————————-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832200004

Acronis True Image Home V11 – Retail $25.49
Downloadable version also available

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I run them all in VMs. Ubuntu is a breath away from being in a position to seriously challenge the Windows monopoly and M$FT is busy focusing on everything but their OS business. If I had any real balls I’d start shorting M$FT big time…

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Check this out. Wal*Mart is selling PCs for $200 that use gOS linux and ship w/ Open Office. That’s pretty sweet. I might hook my Gramps up with one. He doesn’t care about much, he just wants to surf the web, e-mail, and write the occasional letter. I knew that some of the bargain companies were selling PCs w/o Windows, but I didn’t know Wal*Mart was on board. Nice to see a little competition in the OS dept. outside of Windows and Crapintosh.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:53 PM

You went through the trouble of building your own machine and you bought a MB with integrated video! Shame on you! ;-)

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I did that because I built it sections, and didn’t have the money for the video card at the time, but still wanted to use it.. The onboard Geforce6150 works ok and can be disabled, it also has a PCIe 16X slot, that now has a Geforce 8600GT in it.

>:}

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM

If I had any real balls I’d start shorting M$FT big time…

Popular Linux OS Ubuntu has announced that they have halted development of the popular software. No reason has been given.

And in other news, Microsoft announced today that they will be purchasing Canonical, INC for 1 zillion dollars.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Well then you can use Seatools (true image) for free. At least grab it off the website and create one image to the external drive just in case…

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Macs are for people who think it’s all magic.
TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Yeah, so? My Mac has the prettiest display ever. And I don’t want to know what’s inside it anyway. :-)

funky chicken on April 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM

See what I told you BigOldDog! Now look what you’ve done. You’ve gone and upset a mac lover. He’s probably gonna get all bitter and not vote for Obama or something. Being a Mac user he probably doesn’t have a gun that he can cling to.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Yes, but I’m sure you weren’t cheap with the components you used.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM

I am almost 100% converted over to Ubuntu, except for an estimating and graphics program I run on an XP laptop.

Between Firefox and Ubuntu it’s no wonder Billy Gates wants those visas fast tracked!

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM

That’s why eBay exists ;-)

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM

He’s probably gonna get all bitter and not vote for Obama or something.

Seriously, Macs are for liberals. Check out the SWPL post about them. And the “white people” are actually rich, urban, white liberals.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:58 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 9:52 PM

I put Ubuntu on a box sitting in my office a couple of weeks ago. Easy install no hassle works like a charm. Didn’t do much with it but looks to me like it could easily challenge MS if it gets some mileage. I notice a lot of Ubuntu user groups popping up all over the place.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM

186k on April 15, 2008 at 9:57 PM

It’s not like Balmer and company weren’t been told. I was a Vista Beta tester and I screamed my head off and it fell on deaf ears (and I wasn’t the only one – it was a good chunk on the beta tester base). Balmer and the entire senior management should be fired over Vista. Fired. Any sane person who used it for 5 minutes knew it sucked.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Yes, but I’m sure you weren’t cheap with the components you used.
malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM

That’s a major reason to build your own. You control the quality of what goes in.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Yes, but I’m sure you weren’t cheap with the components you used.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Well, I read reviews on the stuff that i got, the MOBO that i got was relatively cheap.. most of the stuff I picked was “best bang for the buck”

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM

I added a Macbook Pro to my array of my home built systems (the rest XP). At first I was skeptical, but over time it grew on me. If it wasn’t for the Intel core (and the ability to dual boot with XP) I probably wouldn’t have purchased it. The slim design fits well in to my camera backpack along with all my camera gear. The low weight is nice as well.

I was happy to find that, with the exception of a few different keystrokes, the Mac to PC Adobe programs were essentially the same. I primarily use Photoshop and Premiere Pro. However, I do prefer to encode movies in Windows formats as opposed to quicktime. This may be due to my experiences though. More diversity might help. Heh.

I value my photographic data tremendously and use the Western Digital My Book Studio II to do backups. I have it in Raid 1 for a bit more data security.

When I upgraded the OS, I found Time machine to be a nice addition. It works well.

Charles at LGF has posted some good info and experiences with his Mac, backups, and restoring an image.

I don’t regret buying a Mac. I’ll consider one again when I am due.

Regardless, backing up is irrelevant to the type of system one owns. It’s a smart practice.

DWB on April 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM

It’s close. Installing software is still tied to the “old Unix” methods and therefore not for the novice, but it’s really, really close…

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:04 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Yea Gates and Balmer must be worried but that’s what you get when you steal your OS from Xerox and Woz.

186k on April 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM

That’s a major reason to build your own

Yeah. I’ll consider a build when I have a bit more time to spare.
BTW, what’s the point of the MacBook Air? Any Mac fanboys wanna fill me in?

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

but that’s what you get when you steal your OS from Xerox and Woz.

LOL.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

186k on April 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM

They both “stole” it from Xerox PARC.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM

True

186k on April 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM

my dual-core 2.2GHZ processor has been overclocked to 2.8GHZ for over a year..

runs fine. :}

Vista Rating

Processor: Calculations Per Second 5.3

Memory(RAM): Memory Operations Per Second 5.9

Graphics: Desktop Performance for Windows Aero 5.9

Gaming Graphics: 3D Business and Gaming Graphics Performance 5.5

Primary Hard Disk: Disk Transfer rate 5.7
———————————————–
Windows Experience Index Base Score of 5.3

It goes off of the lowest score which is my processor(it would be even lower if it wasn’t overclocked)

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Yeah, if you know what you’re doing, a build should save you serious coin. A hardcore gaming friend of mine wanted to buy one of those Alienwares, but I convinced him to take the time and build his own (w/ a little help). Definitely worth it for him.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Vista Ultimate has a built in full-backup and restore to and from DVD…everything, os and settings. Just make sure the HD is same size or bigger…

Seaberry on April 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Seaberry on April 15, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Yep, I never tried I have Vista Ultimate however I have never tried the its backup. LOL

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:14 PM

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I don’t think you save money building your own. You just get a better product.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM

I don’t think you save money building your own. You just get a better product.

Yes, but if you were going to buy a computer made w/ top notch components (like an Alienware), you save money by buying the same components on your own (and searching for the best price) and building the same thing yourself.

malan89 on April 15, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Does anyone use the 64 bit versions of XP or Vista?

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM

I don’t think you save money building your own. You just get a better product.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM

You save a couple hundred dollars..
Also, you have complete control over components and obviously no “bloatware” installed.

Also, You can Overclock it.. the BIOS isn’t lame.

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM

obviously no “bloatware” installed.
Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:24 PM

One of the very best reasons to do it yourself!

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Does anyone use the 64 bit versions of XP or Vista?

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:23 PM

I have it, when you buy Vista Ultimate Retail 32-but and 64-bit comes with it.. however i;m using 32-bit because I only have 2GB’s of ram.(I see no need in using 64-bit right now)

IF I ever upgrade, I will use my 64-bit DVD.. >:}
(I have installed it before just to check it out, and had no problems.. its just some things need digital drivers and such and at the time I was overclocking the rig and getting it stable and some of the freeware temp utilities at the time didn’t have signed drivers etc.. so I went back to 32bit)

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I run a Mac, a home-built PC (3ghz Prescott, Zalman HS, blah, blah, blah), a lappy with XP, the wife’s Dell and her Toshiba lappy that runs Vista. I run XP and Ubuntu on the home-built PC.

I’ll stick with my Mac. Leopard is awesome. I went through that “I-gotta-build-my-own-computer” phase and then I grew up. It gets pointless after awhile.

My Mac might have been expensive, but not that much more than the system I built from scratch. I simply prefer OSX to the crippling affects of Microsoft. Vista is a complete RAM hog and doesn’t support all the hardware on my box, so I dumped it and went back to XP.

All you Mac haters crack me up. Most of you have never even been on a mac for more than a few minutes.

It comes down to this–most people just need a computer to surf, check email, play on myspace and dump video, pix and music. You don’t need HAL to do all that. YOu don’t need a processor made of Kryptonite to do it.

Kudos to you that build your own system–I’ve done it–but it doesn’t make you any cooler or get you laid any faster for doing it. I still use my PC, but I spend way more time with my Mac.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Seriously, Macs are for liberals.

Riiiiight.

I use both platforms and I prefer my Mac any day over a Windows or Linux box. I am most certainly not a liberal, I can assure you.

And I’m not clueless about computers, so you can’t go throwing that old canard at me. As a tech writer, all I ever do is write about computers, so it has nothing to do with ignorance in my case. I just prefer Macs.

Mac-Hippies piss me off tho. When I lived in SF, I was surrounded by them day and night and they give normal Mac users a bad, bad, bad name.

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Whats “special” about the mac?

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Whats “special” about the mac?

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM

The users.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM

PWN 2 OWN over: MacBook Air gets seized in 2 minutes flat

MacBook air gets pwned in 2minutes.. yea.. macs are secure..

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Linux won that PWN 2 OWN competition, however the guy used a flaw in Abobe to do it, so Linux and Mac are probably open to same exploit.

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:43 PM

I think that’s the guy who tried to sell it on eBay after he won it. They killed his auction because he said, “it may still contain my exploit code.”

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

OSX is built on top of Unix no?

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

95, 98, XP were built on top of Vax VMS… ah, those were the days!

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

No wait, I’m wrong NT, 2000, XP were built on top of VMS iirc.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Whats “special” about the mac?

The OS is much better than XP or Vista. The interface is much nicer, the footprint is minimal, no wires running all over the place, it’s quiet. This whole “macs are for liberals” thing is retarded. I prefer Photoshop on my mac as well. It really just comes down to a matter of taste. Leopard does things that are pretty damn cool and those little features really make a difference in HOW you work or use your time.

I’m not a crazy “fanboy” or anything. I think the macbook air is retarded and over-priced. I think Apple makes terrible peripherals and their monitors are WAY over-priced. Even though I dig my iPod, my CL Zen Touch sounds ten times better because CL uses a better encoder than Apple. Sure, there are a lot of things about Apple I don’t like, but man, I do love their OS. I’ve never had a crash, blue screen or anything. Just get online and look at prices of older G3’s and G4’s–crazy money!

It’s little things about the mac that just save you time and frustration. For instance, when my wife uses her PC Lappy with her projector, she has to go into settings and blah, blah, blah. With a mac, you just plug in your video jacks and that’s it.

Sure, Macs aren’t for gamers–but I have a PS3 amongst other systems, and that’s what those are for. Also, the software loaded on your mac is easy to use and free. iLife is a great bundle of programs that do A LOT.

So when you “constant upgraders” get tired of upping your nephew when the latest sound card comes out, just go get a mac and be done with it.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Which is best arguments are just an interesting way to waste time. The real answer is whichever suits you best for whatever reason. Some folks like stuff cause it’s pretty, some just want functionality, some want both. The best way to pick anything is to know why you want it, what you’re going to do with it and where you’re going to put it. Once you figure that out it’s easy to choose. It all comes down to which one you’re most comfortable with that’ll do the job.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

From a non techincal users viewpoint just why is the Mac OS better than either XP or Vista? Just Joe User sitting in front of the monitor pecking at the keyboard.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

So when you “constant upgraders” get tired of upping your nephew when the latest sound card comes out, just go get a mac and be done with it.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Mac: We live in mediocrity, we sell you mediocre parts from that start and thats what you live with for the life of the system.

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

You nailed it. Do what suits YOU. I don’t have anything against PC’s–I own a few of them. But all things equal, I’ll take Leopard over XP or Vista.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Mac: We live in mediocrity, we sell you mediocre parts from the start(However are marketing will make you believe that they are special, and the expensive price tag will make you defend your poor choice forever) and thats what you live with for the life of the system.

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Mac: We live in mediocrity, we sell you mediocre parts from that start and thats what you live with for the life of the system.

Whatever, dude. Look at the resale value of a mac and then a home-made PC.

You anti Mac-ites sound afraid. Better cling to that bible and gun! HA!!!! Watch out, you might get chased down by some arugala.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Well, in America we fortunately have the freedom to choose whichever platform we want. I may not agree with your choice, but I will defend your right to make it.

I certainly won’t hurl puerile insults at you because of it.

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Of coarse the resale value is higher. They are being purchased by people who have no idea what they are buying.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

From a non techincal users viewpoint just why is the Mac OS better than either XP or Vista? Just Joe User sitting in front of the monitor pecking at the keyboard.

Simply put, there are more features with OSX. Time-saving features and just plain cool-as-hell features. Just go to apple’s website and watch some of the feature videos on Leopard. Don’t worry, PC users–you won’t turn teh ghey.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

That’s what marketing is supposed to do. It’s not the exclusive domain of Apple. By the time we reach the age of 25 we should be able to see through all that advertising crap to the truth. Ever read shampoo labels for ingredients? They’re all the same. Wal-Mart store brand or the expensive stuff from some upscale hair salon. Same stuff. I pick the cheapest one I can find whose smell I like.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Mac owners seem to Cling to macs(why do resale #’s high?) LOL

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM

BTW, IF Mac’s were so good why are people re-selling them?

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Of coarse the resale value is higher. They are being purchased by people who have no idea what they are buying.

Riiiiiiiiight. I don’t think that’s much of an argument, no offense.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

From a non techincal users viewpoint just why is the Mac OS better than either XP or Vista? Just Joe User sitting in front of the monitor pecking at the keyboard.

The real benefit of a Mac is that you can’t get into trouble because your options are so limited from the start. It’s a closed system and therefore, everything is controlled. Everything is standardized. If you grabbed 1,000 PCs at random, chances are great no two would be the same.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

I don’t see it. My wife has a Mac, I see absolutely nothing that I like better on the Mac. What extra features? She doesn’t have Leopard it’s OS 10 I think. I think it’s like being user friendly. All that means is I know how to use it.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that.

The OS is locked into specific hardware parts; whether those parts are “top of the line” by PC standards or not is neither here nor there, because the OS is optimized like a mofo to work on those parts and those parts alone. That means an old piece of Apple hardware probably runs as well with new OS X software as it did back in the day it was bought.

E.g. One of my Macs is a Powerbook 1 Ghz G4 with 768 MB of RAM. I couldn’t in a million years run Vista on that through Boot Camp, but I can run Leopard and most Leopard-compatible software on it and not take a hit in performance. It runs nearly as good as it did when I bought back in the OS X 10.3 days.

That is generally why the resale value is so high on Macs.

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Because everyone has to change with the times. I think the average mac user keeps his system for @ five years and then sells the old system to put towards a new one. That being said, it cost me @ $1,300 to build my PC and I can’t get crap for it.

Either way, I’m not bitter like most pc users. Nor do I protest too much. Watch out! I spy some arugala creeping up on your pant cuffs!

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Oh! You can definitely get into trouble on a Mac!

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Of coarse the resale value is higher. They are being purchased by people who have no idea what they are buying.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Here’s the quote I was referring to in my last post.

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Windows XP 73.59%
Windows Vista 14.02%
MacIntel 4.54%
Mac OS 2.94%
Windows 2000 2.36%
Windows NT 0.62%
Linux 0.61%
Windows 98 0.58%
Windows ME 0.32%
——————

Vista has been out only a little over a year and its trouncing OSX..

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Of coarse it is. You can only purchase a new one from one ultimate source and the price is high by design. Therefore, it keeps the value of the used ones high. People who are purchasing them for the most part are not tech savvy. They just want a Mac.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Also, OSX is only one price. $129. One version, one price. How many is Vista up to now? Like 12 or something? Hehehe…

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

A lot less though. There’s less software and hardware available. The options are limited.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Of coarse it is. You can only purchase a new one from one ultimate source and the price is high by design. Therefore, it keeps the value of the used ones high. People who are purchasing them for the most part are not tech savvy. They just want a Mac.

You’ve obviously not been to many “tech-savvy” mac sites, have you? The problem is that people mistake the “image” with the intelligence of the user. I can and have built PCs. But what’s the point? The average user just buys a Dell or an HP anyway. Why do those corporate computers have such poor resale?

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Vista sucks. It’s marketing (pricing) sucks just as much. M$ft has so screwed up it’s golden goose they deserve to see Apple’s market share quadruple. Rather than trying to get their act together in the face of this enormous failure they are busy trying to buy Yahoo via a hostile takeover. M$FT deserves everything they’ve got coming.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Yeah, but that’s because PCs outnumber Macs by a huge margin. Macs are becoming more common now but still way more PCs sold. If you want to make a comparison like that you should break it down by manufacturers, Dell, Gateway, HP etc.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Yeah, but that’s because PCs outnumber Macs by a huge margin. Macs are becoming more common now but still way more PCs sold. If you want to make a comparison like that you should break it down by manufacturers, Dell, Gateway, HP etc.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Why doesn’t Jobs make OSX avaible for PC?

Because OSX is junk? Check..

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Vista has been out only a little over a year and its trouncing OSX..

You’re just making my point, pal. I don’t really CARE if Microshaft is beating the ass off of Apple. What’s the point? There aren’t many Mac users out there. Do I care? Nope.

Does vista suck eggs. Yup. Did Vista try and copy essential features from OSX. You betcha. Did Vista succeed. Not a chance. Do you have a gadget on your desktop that runs the daily numbers of Microshaft sales or something. You know, a “gadget”–that little thing that looks remarkably like a “widget” that had been out YEARS before Microsoft added that feature.

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:21 PM

robblefarian on April 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Because they raidly increase in performace quickly obsoleteing older ones and they are 500,000 times more pleniful.

Are their tech savvy Mac users? Of coarse but they are the vast minority. I’ve used Macs since the Mid 80s. Before even Win 3.1. Apple missed the boat by keeping their system closed and thereby missing the enormous network effects enjoyed by Wintel. Macs were always slower, more expensive and less functional. They were greedy and myopic and it cost them ownership of PC market.

TheBigOldDog on April 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Because OSX is junk? Check..

Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Because hardware is Apple’s true money maker. By locking in the OS to specific hardware, Apple makes a bigger profit.

Mindcrime on April 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Why doesn’t Jobs make OSX avaible for PC?
Because OSX is junk? Check..
Chakra Hammer on April 15, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Could be. I know I don’t care for it and apparently most of the rest of the world doesn’t either. But what do I know I’m still upset because VHS beat Beta.

Oldnuke on April 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

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