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HuffPo: Isn’t it time for the Pope to declare that God is bisexual?

posted at 10:29 pm on April 15, 2008 by Allahpundit
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No, silly, not bisexual in orientation, merely bisexual in gender identity. Androgynous, in other words, like an early 1970s David Bowie except a lot older and even more charismatic. And maybe hermaphroditic? It’s all a bit vague.

Thus does freaky deaky sex ‘n religion day at Hot Air end with a bang:

The Church’s opposition to birth control and to abortion even early in pregnancy is largely an outgrowth of its all-male composition and those males’ attempts to degrade women’s physical powers by asserting that women and the intercourse into which they putatively tempt men are necessary evils (“It is well for a man not to touch a woman,” Paul instructed the Christians of Corinth), the only purpose of which is procreation. The condemnation of homosexuals is based entirely on Old Testament rules established by men who feared anything that placed in question their insistence on the polarity of the sexes.

The idea that God is solely male is the work of the Church Fathers who chose which gospel accounts to include in the official New Testament and excluded all the Gnostic Gospels that contain references to an androgynous God, and of the bishops who met at Constantinople in 381 and modified the Creed to say that the Holy Spirit is male. The idea that a Creator could be of only one sex is absurd on its face. Yet this nonsensical belief, which actually diminishes God, has been one of the main bases for the subordination of women and values associated with them — precisely the values taught by Jesus — throughout the history of the Church…

During the second week of his papacy in 1978, John Paul I sensibly declared that God “is a Mother as well as a Father.” Eighteen days later John Paul I was dead, only 33 days after his election. Despite that unfortunate example and his own stance against desperately needed reform, Benedict XVI owes it to Catholics to take the bold steps needed to break the hold on the Church of earlier flings with relativism and to bring the institution he heads into line both with the needs of the modern world and with the teachings of Jesus.

Forgive the atheist for quibbling about theology but doesn’t Church dogma about Christ’s parentage make this a hard argument to pull off? Not an impossible argument — by definition, nothing is impossible if God is omnipotent — but it does raise the question of why He/She chose to be father to Jesus instead of taking on some more nuanced role. Also, Christ himself specifically refers to God as “Father” numerous times, doesn’t he? That would seem like … a clue. I’ve got no dog in this hunt, though. Catholics, want to take it from here?


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There is so much theology wound up around the male identities of both God and Christ that declaring this would be quite like throwing a wrench into some exceedingly complex gears. For example Jesus = bridegroom church = bride etc. etc. The holy spirit as far as I understand it is androgenous.

Dr. Manhattan on April 15, 2008 at 10:33 PM

“…there is neither male nor female…”

Read that somewhere.

Galatians 3:28, I think.

profitsbeard on April 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Now that I think about the source here, the way the article argues theology based on new aged gender politics is pretty creepy.

Dr. Manhattan on April 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

I love how after a story about people bodily ascending to heaven, a.k.a. flying corpses, people ask questions of the sort: hey, there this one thing that doesn’t make sense.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

I’m not catholic, but you are correct allah…Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost. And all the rest. Reminds me of when they came out with that feminist version of the Bible where they switched gender on all the God references…

Wonder how much one of those things would go for on Ebay these days.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Just as soon as they alter every copy of the Bible + Torah ever written.

AbaddonsReign on April 15, 2008 at 10:37 PM

The author’s latest book?

“Grand Theft Jesus: The Hijacking of Religion in America”

How ironic is that?

Dr. Manhattan on April 15, 2008 at 10:38 PM

“throwing a wrench”

Why did I read that as “throwing a wench”?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I love how after a story about people bodily ascending to heaven, a.k.a. flying corpses, people ask questions of the sort: hey, there this one thing that doesn’t make sense.

Yeah, well, there’s that, too.

Allahpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM

The passage from Galatians is in reference to a state of being in God’s eyes…our gender isn’t relevant to our salvation. I seem to remember it that way from my days of Bible study anyway.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM

The Catholic Church teaches that God is a spirit and as such has no gender. We reference him in the masculine because of tradition, but not because of dogma. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard: no one is father as God is Father. Jesus Christ was, however, a man. For more see:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P17.HTM

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Silly, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has no gender.

Vizzini on April 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Allah, this is a beauty to end the day with. Wow! I’m not a Catholic (a happy reformed Baptist), but I’ve got a dog in this fight. All Christians do. All of us.

This is a secular cry-baby WILLINGLY distorting scripture and turning logic on it’s head, then stating, “See, my logic is the TRUE logic.”

There’s too much in HuffPo’s pathetic post to deconstruct. I’ll sit back and watch others do it. My typing is two-tap slow….

Skidd on April 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Silly, the Flying Spaghetti Monster has no gender.

Vizzini on April 15, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Ha! I wonder if the ooze we evolve from had a gender?

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM

This is a secular cry-baby WILLINGLY distorting scripture and turning logic on it’s head, then stating, “See, my logic is the TRUE logic.”

There’s too much in HuffPo’s pathetic post to deconstruct. I’ll sit back and watch others do it. My typing is two-tap slow…

But even if you skip the explanation, can you at least tell us if God has balls?

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

“Priestly celibacy was not established as a requirement until the Middle Ages and was based on the belief that women are unclean because they menstruate (another indication of the envy of female capacities that is the root of all the restrictions men place on women). When Thomas Aquinas declared in the thirteenth century that “woman is defective and misbegotten,” he was echoing Paul, Genesis, and Aristotle — not Jesus. – Robert S. McElvaine”

Uuummmmmmmm……….. unless I miss my guess, I think ol’ Bob just nailed it when homosexuals started to become Catholic Priests……….

(…… and yes, I am a practicing, Baptized Roman Catholic, so I can SAY these things….)

Seven Percent Solution on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Not funny, freevillage. Even if you don’t believe in him.

Skidd on April 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Tasteless.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on April 15, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Freudian, because that’s what you want to do with the wench who wrote this New Age drivel? What’s that you say, it was a man who wrote this drivel? I’m going waaayyy beyond a beta male. More like a theta male.

bikermailman on April 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM

The idea that God is solely male is the work of the Church Fathers who chose which gospel accounts to include in the official New Testament and excluded all the Gnostic Gospels

Gospel of Thomas:

GoT 114: Simon Peter said to them, “Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.” Jesus said, “I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.”

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Over the years I have heard a lot of reasons given within the Catholic Church for an all male priesthood. I have never heard it justified because somehow women were unclean. This is a bunch of hooey

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 10:51 PM

The Gospel of Thomas isn’t considered scripture in the Catholic Church.

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

But even if you skip the explanation, can you at least tell us if God has balls?

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Such a classy person you are. I haven’t seen that much class since the last time I read Daily Kos.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I don’t see the problem. If someone wants to worship an androgynous god, why not? It’s an ancient tradition in the Hindu Religion.

http://www.spiritandflesh.com/OMArdhanarisvaraShivaShaktindrogynywholenessalchemyChristianReligion.htm
Why be threatened? It’s a free country.
It doesn’t stop you from worshiping in your own tradition.

ronsfi on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Tasteless.

I had a smart question for you but I’ll refrain from askng it.

See, the thing is what constitutes a male is fairly well established. Unless you can go though the list and check everything that applies, HuffPo has a point.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Does David Geffen’s yacht have a gender? Or for that matter does Ariana Huffington? At least she was the man in her marriage to Michael, if you know what I mean.

BTW, Ariana met millionaire Michael at the San Francisco home of Ann Getty. Isn’t that the site of Obama’s Bitter and Cling To fiasco? Small world of leftist millionaires, ain’t it?

Vote Sauron 08 on April 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

I had a smart question for you but I’ll refrain from askng it.

See, the thing is what constitutes a male is fairly well established. Unless you can go though the list and check everything that applies, HuffPo has a point.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

It wasn’t such the fact that you asked if someone believes he’s a man, it’s the way you asked it.

BTW, I personally can’t recall that many times when I’ve seen you siding/defending with conservatives. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but I’ve only seen you prominently at Obama defenses and now defending a HuffPo point.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I want HuffPo to demand that muslims declare mohammed as a pedophile.

SouthernGent on April 15, 2008 at 11:00 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Like I amerpundit said, it wasn’t the question but the way you asked it. It was inappropriate.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Such a classy person you are. I haven’t seen that much class since the last time I read Daily Kos.

Whaaaaaaaaaah! We’re so offended! We just think you will go to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, and that your soul will be tortured indefinitely, AND that it is perfectly fair and just. But you, you… you said “BALLS”! Now THAT is horrible! Someone call the whaaaambulance! We are almost ready to start pretending that we’re fainting.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Well, if Christ was conceived through union of something and woman, we know that the other part of the equation would have to be male.

But the argument by McElvaine is rather ridiculous as it focuses on feminist issues but completely neglects the role women do play in the Church, and it’s a role that men don’t get to play– that of the nun, or sister.

While liberals get in a snit that women cannot be “leaders” of the Church, it should be recognized that Mother Theresa was one of the most recognizable and laudable women in the Church. Her leadership was something totally different than that of a Pope. There are nuns that have died defending the poor versus death squads in Latin America and Africa. Women who sacrifice the comforts of society to give to others.

It’s frequent that the liberal rails against the “old school” of the Church and its forbiddance of female priests, and there are older gender issues that have influenced the Church, but the placement of men at Mass is more of a representation as Shepherd and Christ-Figure, something that’s definitively male. That doesn’t segregate women, as it was clear that there were both male and female disciples, as well as scores of women who have been sainted for their devotion to the tenets of Christ.

What the liberals don’t get is that the true leaders of the Church are the holy, not the political. It was something JPII showed when he declared Mother Theresa to be greater than he. And who does the Church venerate? The Saints. Not the Popes, not the priests, not the cardinals. And if you look in past you’ll discover that the Church has honored the lowly and the rarely exalted the great. McElvaine and other “scholars” don’t get it, and it’s something many of today’s lapsed Catholics don’t get.

I’ve other Catholic musings over at the Autopsy.

Nethicus on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

I like how HuffPo just asserts things; they don’t provide evidence, they just say that its true. How wonderfully intelligent!

God is male. All the whiny girls at HuffPo can’t change that. It’s documented in Scripture hundreds of times, literally from the first chapter of the first book (as in, “And he saw that it was good…”).

That the Church opposes abortion and birth control is based entirely, without exception, on the sanctity of human life (you could argue marriage here, as well). That it opposes homosexuality is supported both by Jesus (roughly paraphrased, a man leaves his mother and father to marry a woman, and become one) and by pretty much everyone (in the OT, most explicitly, with the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, and in the NT by Paul – the one I remember is in 1st Corinthians).

The Gospels included in the Holy Bible were not arbitrarily chosen, for two reasons; one, if you believe the Bible to be God’s word, you’re probably also of the belief that he wouldn’t allow such a perversion of his intentions. Two, the excluded books were the watered-down Christianities and often blatantly pagan, if I’m not mistaken. It wasn’t just some cranky old guys burning Betty Friedan’s books. They took it very seriously; you wouldn’t want to tamper with the Word of God.

Subordination of women dropped dramatically after Christianity than it did prior to it. Ask Clare Boothe Luce if Christianity is anti-women.

I’m a non-denominational protestant, but as far as I’m concerned, this is like Mere Christianity: basic tenets that all branches/denominations can agree on.

P.S.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 10:49 PM

You’re much kinder than I would have been (as a side note, I think I jumped on you in some other thread and chewed you out, and if you’re whom I am remembering, my apologies for that).

emailnuevo on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaah! We’re so offended! We just think you will go to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, and that your soul will be tortured indefinitely, AND that it is perfectly fair and just. But you, you… you said “BALLS”! Now THAT is horrible! Someone call the whaaaambulance! We are almost ready to start pretending that we’re fainting.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

You need to calm down. No one here told you were going to Hell or anything mean to you. If you want to a conversation you need tone down your rhetoric.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Why be threatened? It’s a free country.
It doesn’t stop you from worshiping in your own tradition.

Who said they felt threatened?

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaah! We’re so offended! We just think you will go to Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, and that your soul will be tortured indefinitely, AND that it is perfectly fair and just. But you, you… you said “BALLS”! Now THAT is horrible! Someone call the whaaaambulance! We are almost ready to start pretending that we’re fainting.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Uh, dude? I said your remark was classless. That’s hardly crying or whining. Chill.

Again, I can only seem to find you around here A) Defending Obama, B) Defending HuffPo, C) Defending the theory of global warming.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

isnt it time someone talked about huffingtons biseshiality?

and by biseshiality, i mean the ability to both have the worst blog and be a huge idiot at the same time.

blatantblue on April 15, 2008 at 11:05 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

You need to grow up. You’re in a public forum with a group of people who have many different viewpoints. Common sense tells you to approach discourse with tact.

Skidd on April 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM

No one here told you were going to Hell or anything mean to you.

Uhm…

No one comes to the Father except through me.

You’re right. It wasn’t you who said that.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM

We really don’t believe in religion, because it’s really only stuff for bitter rural yahoos and child molesters of an unspoken sexual orientation, but we really think you should change the key tenets of your beliefs, because we’re so smart we know what the Creator’s true thoughts were … if there were a Creator. Which there isn’t. But aren’t we so clever for exposing the hypocrisy of your beliefs? High-fives all around David’s yacht, and the Dom Pérignon is on Arianna for outwitting those fundies again [/sacrasm].

jon1979 on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

BTW, I personally can’t recall that many times when I’ve seen you siding/defending with conservatives. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened, but I’ve only seen you prominently at Obama defenses and now defending a HuffPo point.

I know about the whole “troll” thing on these blogs, but you sound kinda paranoid.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

emailnuevo on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I don’t remember u chewing me out.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Is there an agreement between Hot Air and Huffington Post to boost the latter’s traffic?

Pathetic topic.

Indy Conservative on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I think it’s time that conservatives here just stop reacting to the moonbats and other assorted fruits and nuts that we enable to get rises out of us. As we used to say as kids, “If you ignore them, they’ll just go away.”

sondiehl on April 15, 2008 at 11:08 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM

In all fairness, I was about to take credit for your little “hate” insinuation. If actually believing Christian doctrine makes me hateful, so be it. To that old rugged cross, I shall ever be true, and such.

emailnuevo on April 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Oh dear. It makes the whole Hillary baking cookies video really boring and tame, or perhaps completely innocuous, by comparison, doesn’t it?

How about playing fun with analogies?

Roman Catholicism : Islam as McCain : Obama.

I have issues with both RC dogma and with McCain, but really, they are minor quibbles in this day and age.

funky chicken on April 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

This is a transparent call for the revival of ancient Pagan/Gnostic goddess theology to overthrow Yahweh. That’s the same Judeo-Christian God we found out recently that Oprah wants to overthrow because she doesn’t like His attitude about other gods. Dr. Peter Jones is pretty much the top expert on the subject.

Androgyny: The Pagan Sexual Ideal (It’s Not About Civil Rights)

Basically, it’s related to the Da Vinci Decoding of Christianity to bring about a new progressive spirituality which can merge with earth worship.

econavenger on April 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Pathetic topic.

Nough said

dmann on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Uh, dude? I said your remark was classless. That’s hardly crying or whining. Chill.

And I have quite transparently pointed out that noone whose core beliefs are include that idea that it is ok for my soul to be tortured for eternity, has any business talking about class or morals or indeed even knows what those are.

Again, I can only seem to find you around here A) Defending Obama, B) Defending HuffPo, C) Defending the theory of global warming.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

I know about the whole “troll” thing on these blogs, but you sound kinda paranoid.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

I’ve argued with freevillage several times. I look at/comment in just about every post. I’ve argued with him at least twice on Obama, with him defending Obama. We’re arguing with him now, with him saying HuffPo has a point. A Google search reveals a March argument, in which he argued on the alternative side most conservatives do. Then on April 4th he said the Republican Party is the haven for every racist piece of sh*t.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

You know, before criticizing the Church, you’d think this HuffPo person would actually learn if what he’s criticizing is actually taught by the Church. The Church does not teach that God is “solely male.” After all, God INVENTED motherhood. It had to come from somewhere!

And the link posted earlier to the Vatican website’s english translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church spells it out fully:

239 By calling God “Father”, the language of faith indicates two main things: that God is the first origin of everything and transcendent authority; and that he is at the same time goodness and loving care for all his children. God’s parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood, which emphasizes God’s immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature. the language of faith thus draws on the human experience of parents, who are in a way the first representatives of God for man. But this experience also tells us that human parents are fallible and can disfigure the face of fatherhood and motherhood. We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard: no one is father as God is Father.

240 Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father by his relationship to his only Son who, reciprocally, is Son only in relation to his Father: “No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”

Sydney Carton on April 15, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Well, if Christ was conceived through union of something and woman, we know that the other part of the equation would have to be male.

Nethicus on April 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

You are assuming a lot about the nature of God that may very well be wrong. For example, we believe that God is omnipotent, so by definition God can bring into being something that did not exist previously (e.g., the male chromosomes). In fact, God is can do anything he wants to do at any time. In the case of the conception of Christ, God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, is still God and can bring whatever he wants into being at anytime. So we cannot assume that that nature of the Holy Spirit is male. In fact, the nature of the Holy Spirit, as the name implies is also spiritual and not male or female. For more information see: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p2.htm

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Heh. All I can say is that it is pretty obvious that the author has a not so little chip on his shoulder. I deal with this subject on an almost daily basis, (part and parcel of studying in a liberal theological institution), and it is old, and bitter, and stupid. Did I say bitter? Yep. But, that’s just my opinion.

I used to wonder why I would never really see responses to assertions like the ones this guy is making from theological academia on the conservative side. I think it is because the assertions are ridiculous, rely on Gnostic writings to construct what Christianity “really” believes, or should believe, and speak as if we really believe God is a man, with a penis and everything! I think I’ll stick with John – God is Spirit, and those who worship worship in Spirit and in Truth.

To speak of God in a male sense, with male pronouns, or of “God’s right hand” or whatever is simply anthropomorphism, a figure of speech – applying human characteristics to God. To refer to God as Father is to refer to God in the sense he has been referred to in the tradition of our faith, not to assert he’s a dude.

Jesus on the other hand, I think he was a guy. One of my student’s a couple of semesters ago would refer to Jesus as she. Did I say liberal theological institution?

nailinmyeye on April 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM

And I have quite transparently pointed out

No you haven’t. You’ve just been a snarky asshole. You’re not seriously interested interested in engaging in a conversation so please STFU.

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 11:16 PM

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM

So?

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

I stopped reading after the “it’s my right to destroy another human being as an expression of my famininity that those evil patriarchs simply WILL NOT CONTAIN! DO YOU HEAR ME! I AM WOMAN HEAR ME POUT!” Bit.

These idiots can’t identify humanity. They sure as hell aren’t qualified to talk about God.

BKennedy on April 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Is there an agreement between Hot Air and Huffington Post to boost the latter’s traffic?

Pathetic topic.

Indy Conservative on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Agreed.
I’m growing tired of HA’s Catholic/Christian bashing.
There are other websites (or so I’ve heard) so maybe I’ll spend some time searching these intrawebs.
(p.s. Bad choice Ed)

billy on April 15, 2008 at 11:18 PM

So?

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

I thought we were talking about what Catholics believe. At least that is what Allah prompted in his post. And the Gospel of Thomas is not a scriptural source we Catholics go to.

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

So?

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:17 PM

HuffPo’s talking about the Catholic church. Allah also asked about Catholic beliefs.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 11:20 PM

bnelson44, that was the point. Look at what I quoted right before and put 2+2 together.

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 11:20 PM

So not relevant. Only those fixated on gender identity would care. They ain’t going to Mass….

Dirthead on April 15, 2008 at 11:20 PM

The idea that a Creator could be of only one sex is absurd on its face.

Why is it so crazy? One gender creates almost everything as it is.

daryl_herbert on April 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 11:20 PM

ok, missed that

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:23 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Sounds like you have a problem. Whether your soul is tortured for all eternity means nothing to me. However, if you are a lib you’ll have to prove you actually have a soul first.

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Anyway, good night all.

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Whether your soul is tortured for all eternity means nothing to me. However, if you are a lib you’ll have to prove you actually have a soul first.

Ha, perfect!

Ciannaky on April 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM

amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM

I lurked for a long time among the comments before I started commenting myself, and yours are some of the most enjoyable. I know this guy is being a d**k, I just like to see things not so uptight as they are on the lib blogs. Sorry if I sounded snitty…just found out my taxes are gonna be much higher than I had anticipated, and im, well, bitter.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Don’t bother.
To paraphrase John Lennon, Catholics are the
niggers of the
Christian world

billy on April 15, 2008 at 11:29 PM

I know this guy is being a d**k

OMG, you were like… THIS close to saying “balls”! Good thing, you didn’t cross that line.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Hey, I was talking about YOU, not God.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:33 PM

So nobody’s answered the balls question? I’m so disappointed.

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Hey, I was talking about YOU, not God.

I think it’s a blasphemy to capitalize three letters when you address me and only one when you talk abut God.

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:36 PM

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

What I read explicitly states The Church, I do not take that to mean The Catholic Church as I do not see The Catholic Church as the final arbiter of all things Christian. If Catholics want to insist on being the true religion fine. Just don’t expect me to jump on your bandwagon and dump the intolerant attitude. How difficult is it to simply say that you do not share my beliefs instead of declaring my beliefs wrong.

I am not directing this at you per se but at the arrogant condescending attitudes expressed by some.

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Psalm 14:1 “The fool says in his heart that there is no God

John 14:6 Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”

Think of it this way. If you want to come into my house you need to follow my rules. You may knock at the door, but I don’t have to let you in unless I want to. In that case, you would need to do what I ask, in order to gain access. I don’t have to let you into my house without my permission. You have the choice to either do as I ask and gain admittance or not do what I ask and remain outside not gaining access to to my home. Since I am the owner of the home I don’t have to let you come in. Nothing says I must. It’s my choice. Your choice is to agree or not agree, and my choice is to let you in or not let you in. Is that clear enough? The choice belongs to each one of us. We can follow what God asks us to do in order to gain admittance to his house or not and suffer the consequence. Those that have ears will hear what I’m saying. Those that do not will continue to refute the words, and at that point you will have already made your choice. As plain and simple as it can be.

Vntnrse on April 15, 2008 at 11:39 PM

So nobody’s answered the balls question? I’m so disappointed.

It’s a spirit. It has no gender. No balls.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/15/huffpo-isnt-it-time-for-the-pope-to-declare-that-god-is-bisexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1072081

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 11:40 PM

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

In other news Mormons just proclaimed that their Holy Book is the proper one and all others have inaccuracies or blatant falsehoods. This starlting move seemed a bit late, however, and rather reactionary considering they were beaten to the punch by Lutherans, Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics, Jews, and varuius varieties of pagan. Also Druids.

BKennedy on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Posts like this by AP just make me wanna’ say, may Allah bless you AP.

Seriously.

awake on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM

I do not see The Catholic Church as the final arbiter of all things Christian.

See you in hell.

the arrogant condescending attitudes expressed by some.

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

I just had to make sure the person who wrote this was the same one who said “if you are a lib you’ll have to prove you actually have a soul first.” I love double standards.

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

When a Catholic refers to “the Church” they mean the Catholic Church. And yes, we Catholics believe in one holy
catholic and apostolic Church. It is part of our creed:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s1c3a2.htm

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM

No balls.

ninjapirate on April 15, 2008 at 11:40 PM

So God has no balls, got it.

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:34 PM

I doubt that God has your balls. You can always go Here

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:46 PM

BKennedy on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM

In a more recent update, the Muslims went on a rampage and killed everyone else, including over half of themselves. They claim the impediment on their success is due to the West, Bush, and the multitude of highly-sought whores of Hollywood.

awake on April 15, 2008 at 11:47 PM

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:46 PM

I don’t want to see what your Google searches look like.

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Vntnrse on April 15, 2008 at 11:39 PM

I know the drill. He gave me a “choice” of being tortured or do things His way. In the real world, people who present others with this choice are shot or given impressive time at the state’s expense. He gets to be called the quintessential Good.

Did I mention the non-religious have no logic?

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM

No one here told you were going to Hell or anything mean to you. If you want to a conversation you need tone down your rhetoric.

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

I agree that his question was classless. (It was, I suspect, also intentionally provocative.) But he does have a point.

Perhaps you personally don’t think that all non-believers are going to hell. But many Christians say that non-believers will suffer from a torture not practiced even in the Congo, namely one without end. Against that backdrop, it’s a bit taxing to hear Christians complain about their delicate sensibilities.

paul006 on April 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:47 PM

I think you just made his case for him…seriously, cmon, its pretty funny LOL.

surrounded on April 15, 2008 at 11:50 PM

freevillage on April 15, 2008 at 11:48 PM

You can’t expect someone who quotes scripture as absolute evidence that God exists to lay out Aquinas’ entire argument in On the Fall of the Devil.

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:50 PM

I spent the entire day educating Christians about the dangers of Islam, dealing pleasantly even with a fundamentalist site set up specifically to bash the Catholic Church and the Pope. They had posted a piece on Islam saying that the Pope was eventually going to tell Catholics to refer to God as Allah and that Catholics don’t believe in the same God as other Christians. I sidestepped the bashing and called for unity against Islam. My post there was denied of course. I never realized there was so much hate out there.

And now to come home to Hot Air to find a ridiculous feminista Pope-bashing piece. Forget it, HuffPo. You are the reason the Holy Spirit guided the Cardinals to choose Ratzinger.

Connie on April 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM

When they have to start off by taking Scriture out of context, you know their argument is weak:

1 Corinthians 7:1

1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband.
3 The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Paul wasn’t at all saying that sex was bad or that sex was only for procreation. He was saying that it’s better to remain single and devote yourself to God alone, but since most folks can’t do that then they should get married.

Then, he goes on to make what must have been, for the times, an amazingly “feminist” statement: “the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.” Can you even imagine, in that society, what that meant?

Next, he goes on to almost command married Christians to have lots of sex: “Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again.” The context makes it clear that this has nothing to do with procreation, it has to do with hormones, or, like they calls it where I’m from “doin’ the hibbidy-dibbidy.”

29Victor on April 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM

Nonfactor on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM

What double standard? Your soul, if you have one, is your business. Questioning whether it exists or not is neither arrogant nor condescending. Perhaps you need to do a little soul searching.

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Getting back to topic, and away from free’s usual complete lack of tact, I tend to believe that God transcends gender. He is referred to as male because in a male dominated society, to do otherwise would lessen his impact on potential believers.

Remember, historically speaking, most gods and goddesses were either hyper feminine or hyper masculine depending on their perceived gender. The God of the Hebrews was a scrapper, smiting enemies and ordering His people to drive their enemies before them. This was a God who’s concern was the survival of His people and their culture/religion. War, survival, power, these were all masculine characteristics. To a primarily pastoral (in the literal sense that they were shepherds) culture, these are masculine attributes. It is not until the Incarnation that we discover that God’s name is also Love, a distinctly feminine attribute (from a polytheistic standpoint, at least).

However, if you are a Christian (like myself), you admit no other Creator and therefor no other God. As creator, he must understand, contain, and embody both the masculine and the feminine in order to model them within his Creation. Without such knowledge, the male/female duality would be impossible, since Creation cannot be outside the knowledge/ability of it’s omnipotent Creator.

As a result, if one is to argue that God is perfect, one must admit that he is, in a sense, both masculine and feminine. In short, He must transcend gender altogether.

It is a linguistic holdover that we refer to Him as a male, as well as a cultural holdover from ancient times. We still view him (rightly so) as our protector and guardian, concepts which are still considered as primarily masculine in nature.

However, He is the ONLY monotheistic deity to be considered to have any feminine traits. The god of Islam may have many names, but Love is not among them, and Hinduism’s Brahman is very carefully parsed into many different deities and aspects. The God of Christianity, though often described as triune, has only one aspect with a definable sex, and that is His human incarnation in the form of Jesus Christ. Again, why He chose to appear male I can only guess at, but I would guess it has something to do with which sex was dominant in the culture and time he chose to incarnate. As I stated before, the whole must transcend such human concepts or else could not be considered truly omnipotent (and thus not God but merely god). As a result, I tend to think that quibbling over the sex of the Almighty is a little on the ridiculous side.

Anyhow, those are my two cents. And the thing about the celibate priesthood is crap. THAT came about because the heirs of the papacy and higher clergy were dividing up Church property in inheritance fights. It was a purely fiscal decision, couched in religious language to lend it legitimacy.

Oh, and any man who tries to use Christianity as a reason to mistreat or subjugate his wife REALLY needs to go back and read scripture. And when he’s done, he should read proverbs to get a good idea of what “women’s work” really consists of.

Militant Bibliophile on April 15, 2008 at 11:55 PM

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Are you seeking conversation, or conversion? The latter methinx.

People who place mega posts filled with scripture are creepy.

ronsfi on April 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Connie on April 15, 2008 at 11:52 PM

Check this out:

The Reality of Pope Benedict

bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM

ronsfi on April 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Are you seeking conversation, or conversion? The latter methinx.

Please tell me what I have said or done that makes you think I’m trying to convert anyone on this site?

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM

BTW, any capitalization errors are accidental. If I was referring to God, just assume the definite article should have been capitalized.

(I can feel my High School English teacher twitching as I write this)

Militant Bibliophile on April 16, 2008 at 12:00 AM

jdkchem on April 15, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Give me a break. What medieval philosophers have you read? You don’t know the first thing about what a soul is; you have some idea of what it is in the religious sense because that’s what you’ve been told. If you want to do some thinking might I suggest you read some Aristotle, Avicenna, or even Aquinas?

Nonfactor on April 16, 2008 at 12:00 AM

terryannonline on April 15, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Second statement was not directed at you. 1000 pardons.

ronsfi on April 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM

Are you seeking conversation, or conversion? The latter methinx.

What did she even say to give you that impression? I don’t think you think.

Seriously, I’m out of here. It’s time for all the conservative blogs to turn off the comments sections.

ninjapirate on April 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Seriously, I’m out of here. It’s time for all the conservative blogs to turn off the comments sections.

Why stop at that? I’d just compile a list of correct conservative posts and have the blogger just provide the number along with a brief poll:

375.

1. Hooray! (Press to vote!)

freevillage on April 16, 2008 at 12:05 AM

ninjapirate on April 16, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Censorship! Such a rare Christian quality.
How about you just don’t read them.

ronsfi on April 16, 2008 at 12:06 AM

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