Austin Bay’s “Consequences”
posted at 9:50 pm on April 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Col. Austin Bay is a man with ambition. He has launched a new video enterprise called Consequences, which takes viewers through several different scenarios regarding the war in Iraq. The pilot episode can be viewed at The Arena, Col. Bay’s website, and it’s a slickly produced presentation. Col. Bay asks a number of compelling questions, and gives an array of answers — and challenges us to consider the consequences of the options available.
It’s very intriguing, and as always, Col. Bay brings his encyclopedic knowledge to this project. Anyone interested in the Iraq mission should make this a must visit site. (via Instapundit)
Update: Fixed the link, but you do have to sign up to see more than the first episode.
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Ed, the link doesn’t work. The opened page says simply that the requested page was unavailable.
sondiehl on April 15, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Sorry, Sondiehl, I copied the wrong address.
Ed Morrissey on April 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Where was Col. Austin Bay and his “Consequences” 5 to 6 years ago when we really needed him?
MB4 on April 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM
5 years ago he was writing books. 4 years ago he was serving in Iraq.
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM
6 years ago we weren’t in Iraq.
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:03 PM
I know and that was kind of my point.
MB4 on April 15, 2008 at 10:04 PM
So are you being sarcastic or are you saying he should’ve done this before we got there?
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:05 PM
MB4 on April 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Thanks, Ed.
sondiehl on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
So he should’ve presented the consequences of an early withdrawal from Iraq a year before we even attacked and months before military action was even approved.
OK…
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Don’t try to figure it out. This is the liberal brain-fart that happens every time the issue of Iraq comes up.
PERSON CAPABLE OF LINEAR THOUGHT: Right, fine. Bush is evil, got it. So, what do you believe we should actually DO, RIGHT NOW?
MOONBAT: We shouldn’t be there in the first place.
PERSON CAPABLE OF LINEAR THOUGHT: OK, for the twenty-third time… What do you think WE should do NOW?
MOONBAT: It’s all George Bush’s fault….
This is one of those circles that just doesn’t go anywhere.
logis on April 15, 2008 at 10:25 PM
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Not worth it, Don Quixote had better luck with the windmill!
dmann on April 15, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Your letting MB4 hijack another thread
bnelson44 on April 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Sorry. I was unaware of MB4’s position on Iraq.
amerpundit on April 15, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Kind of like Iraq. There may be some hope for you after all.
MB4 on April 15, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Let’s ignore the moonbats, and let them titter among themselves. I found Col. Bay’s thesis compelling, even brilliant. I plan to spread this around to everyone on my e-mail list.
sondiehl on April 15, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Thanks for the link Ed! Col.Bay does a bang up job.
dmann on April 15, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Colonel Bay probably didn’t choose to have any of you on his staff did he?
Golly, I wonder why.
MB4 on April 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Excellent analysis from “The Arena”
Troy Rasmussen on April 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Wow, I learned more in 20 minutes then any “media” has provided me in any broadcast these past years….
It’s CRYSTAL clear (as if it wasn’t already) that victory is the only option…
Doogiesd on April 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I’m going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s telling the truth: that six years ago he could have made a cogent point about something (or at the very least, could have passed the Turing Test.) But even if that is true, who cares?
Moonbats thought LSD was going to solve all the world’s problems, and in a purely subjective way they were right. Being a neo-hippy means never even having to PRETEND to have something constructive to say.
logis on April 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Sometimes I dread coming in here because of you MB4 because you are so depressing!
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You always find the bad in ANYTHING.
ArmyAunt on April 15, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Unfortunately, finding 20 consecutive minutes in a moonbat-dominated media is a damned hard thing to do. They will always have a bigger microphone than ours.
We need to spend the next six months talking about practically nothing except what will happen if Obama and the other Moonbats do what they say they are going to do.
Obama and the other moonbats are doing everything in their power to make Iraq END in the same way that Vietnam did: with a return to genocide, dictatorship, and an expanded base of operations for our enemies.
This is what the liberals and terrorists want more than anything else in the world.
logis on April 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I am in awe over what Austin Bay has done. Wow, I can’t believe it is free. A very well-done video with interactive slides including links to sources. Extremely well organized, well executed, and user-friendly.
Whoever hasn’t signed up needs to now, at least for appreciation for what this man has done. That’s the most useful, non-boring, educational site I have ever seen. Bravo Austin, Bravo.
Free Constitution on April 15, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Everything about the vid was excellent…except for Bay’s tie.
jgapinoy on April 15, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Wow. Great site and terrific production values. Stuff like this could be the future of the web vs old (very old, when they actually did) TV news. I think that “Arena” will be a big hit. Thanks for the pointer, Ed.
Click on April 15, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Good stuff. Thanks Ed.
29Victor on April 15, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Is this the same guy who predicted we would be out of Iraq six months after invading, and the whole thing would be paid for by Iraqi oil? Excuse me if I don’t have a lot of confidence in these predictions.
B26354 on April 15, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Of course not, retard. The only people who ever said that are moonbats who keep trying to say that conservatives said it.
We need a new word for this; how about TripleSpeak?
Once liberals could be publically challenged, they eventually figured out they always look like idiots whenever they directly try to advance their agenda. So the neohippies went the only direction they can go: further down the rabbit hole. Now the moonbats have given up trying to tell us what THEY believe; instead they keep telling us over and over again what they think WE believe.
logis on April 16, 2008 at 1:05 AM
well worth the time… I highly suggest sending this to all your friends.
Kaptain Amerika on April 16, 2008 at 1:44 AM
Here the thing with liberals. They want it fast and free. This stuff takes time to work. Democracy takes time to work. Most liberals don’t realise it but the Iraqi democracy is ahead of the game compare to what happen just after WWII with Germany and Japan.
Freedom is not a welfare program just remember that.
jdun on April 16, 2008 at 2:24 AM
After more than 5 years, a divorce is the best answer.
They can keep the Koran.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 2:41 AM
They got the cats. That’s the main thing.
F the Koran.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 2:49 AM
Do you have any idea how you sound?
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 2:53 AM
That’s the truth isn’t it? Liberals trying to repeat Vietnam. That’s not going to work. Iraq is not Vietnam and for the most part it is almost over.
jdun on April 16, 2008 at 2:57 AM
Let me give you a clue. If you were in any position on John McCain’s campaign staff or in the RNC or in the Bush’s administration or on General Petraeus’s staff, they would not be able to launch you into deep space soon enough. They would put more distance between themselves and you than? Well I can not think of any historical examples that even come anywhere near close. It would set a new record I’m sure.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 3:05 AM
You are sharpshooting General Petraeus as he hasn’t said anything like that.
I have repeatedly noted that we haven’t turned any corners. We haven’t seen any lights at the end of the tunnel. The champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible.
- General Petraeus
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 3:11 AM
The oil revenues of that country could bring in between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction.
- Paul Wolfowitz (sometime around the start of the Iraq war)
For his remarkable acumen, Wolfowitz was rewarded with the presidency of the World Bank.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 3:25 AM
That’s odd as back during the LSD and hippy days I was in the U.S. Army. They never did give us any LSD or let us dress like hippies.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 3:34 AM
Then maybe before you “come in here” you should have a couple of glasses of Bipple.
To me this place is almost like “Saturday Night Live”, just with out any gals in short skirts. Now that is a bit depressing.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 3:39 AM
Tuesday April 15, 2008: 2 Marines, 125 Iraqis Killed; 166 Iraqis Wounded…that’s about equal to a 9/11 to the Iraqis.
Imagine a 9/11 every.single.day.
Imagine some foreigner calling that a success.
alphie on April 16, 2008 at 3:53 AM
If it makes you feel better, I believe that your flashbacks are 100% genuine.
But nothing else though.
logis on April 16, 2008 at 7:42 AM
June 6, 1944, America invades a foriegn country, resulting in 10,000 allied casualties, 2,500 dead allied troops and 8,000 “murdered” Germans.
Now imagine someone who isn’t a severely brain-damaged and perverse jackass blaming that on America.
…Sorry, can’t be done.
logis on April 16, 2008 at 7:52 AM
Well, if it makes you feel better, I believe that there have been more nosensical commenters on HA than you.
But not many though.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:05 AM
I have read of Col Bay’s for many years.
I have been waiting for the Arena to come on line for a few months. I’m glad it’s finally here.
darkpixel on April 16, 2008 at 8:16 AM
You guys need to stop feeding the moronic trolls here. Just ignore them.
spkthed on April 16, 2008 at 8:26 AM
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 8:05 AM
On the internet, no one knows your a dog.
But everyone knows your an idiot.
N. O'Brain on April 16, 2008 at 8:37 AM
alphie on April 16, 2008 at 3:53 AM
On the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.
But everyone knows you’re a talking telephone pole.
N. O'Brain on April 16, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Just finished with presentation and found it to be thoughtful.
The left has generally failed to consider that a precipitous withdraw may well lead to the “Lebanonization” of Iraq. In such a scenario, Iraq would function as a fulcrum for proxy wars and asymmetrical conflicts. The price of failure in Iraq may be hard to calculate and would not be known for many years to come.
moxie_neanderthal on April 16, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Great program, but there are some tech problems with the viewer: after using the rewind button (using the flash viewer), the play button wouldn’t work. I tried to submit a problem report via their feedback form, but the submit button wouldn’t work. :/
Still, well-worth watching. I wish the Bush Administration had been this good at explaining the issues involved.
irishspy on April 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Re: tech problems, the site doesn’t work for me at all, on either of my browsers (Safari and Camino).
juliesa on April 16, 2008 at 2:32 PM
I keep reading MB4’s comments, hoping I’ll find something sane and reasonable instead of the usual nonsense. I guess I’m insane (repeating an action over and over and expecting different results).
Al in St. Lou on April 16, 2008 at 2:54 PM
That was well done, no matter what the trolls say
RINO_Hunter on April 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Technically, it’s the moonbats who meet that definition of insanity.
What conservatives are all too often guilty of is being overly charitable. After a certain point, that becomes a fault.
logis on April 16, 2008 at 3:44 PM
The rule is perfect – in all matters of opinion my adversaries are [dogs, idiots and] insane.
- Mark Twain.
You guys must really learn to do better.
MB4 on April 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM
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