Obama hits a 20-point stumble in PA
posted at 11:36 am on April 14, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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It looks like the voters of small-town Pennsylvania have reacted to Barack Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser in a predictable manner. American Research Group had Obama rising to a tie against Hillary Clinton in the next primary after trailing by double digits for weeks preceding his ascent. Now he has dug himself an even deeper hole than the one he earlier escaped:
Pennsylvania Democrats Mar
7-8Mar
26-27Apr
5-6Apr
11-13Clinton 52% 51% 45% 57% Obama 41% 39% 45% 37% Someone else 1% 2% 4% 2% Undecided 6% 8% 6% 4% Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.
Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters). …
10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.
That looks very grim for Obama as he heads into working class states such as Indiana and Kentucky. Prior to calling small-town middle America a bunch of xenophobic bigots who cling to guns and religion out of economic bitterness, Obama had made headway in taking those voters away from Hillary Clinton. He had succeeded in convincing them that Hillary was trying to destroy the Democratic party by creating unnecessary divisions. His sop to the Frisco liberal elite has completely undermined that argument and left him vulnerable once again to the overall electability counterargument.
If Obama begins to lose big in these states, the superdelegates will find themselves under even tougher scrutiny. Do they vote for the elitist or the Tuzla Dash candidate? (via Jim Geraghty)
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He’s suffering from foot in mouth disease.
tx2654 on April 14, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Heh, it must be AP writing the Headlines titles.
VolMagic on April 14, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Obviously Pennsylvania is full of redneck racist haters!
ha
conservnut on April 14, 2008 at 11:39 AM
From the Bill Kristol editorial:
I’d say “despise” rather than “patronize” but I think the point is made regardless.
funky chicken on April 14, 2008 at 11:41 AM
The wheels have fallen off of this campaign, the slow motion train record that is the Democrat Party pays off once again.
Couldn’t happen to better people. Hope Illinois is happy with their Senator, because they’ll be getting him back.
Maybe in three years the Illinois GOP can get off of the mat and take away his Senate seat as well.
Then Michelle will really have something to whine about.
NoDonkey on April 14, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Rush, you magnificent ba$tard!
OPERATION CHAOS CONTINUES!
HAHAHAHA
FloridaBill on April 14, 2008 at 11:47 AM
Once again the voters remind us that no liberal can get elected unless they pretend to be something else. If someone sneaks a video camera into a private speech, everyone ends up acting surprised by the elitist, Marxist drivel that spews out of them.
No wonder they think that if you tape a conservative at a private speech, it would all be racism and bigotry. That’s all they know.
Jaibones on April 14, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Hey Barry, Nelson told me to tell you, “Hahaaa”!
Geronimo on April 14, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Some Colorado legislator needs to introduce a bill renaming Denver CIRCUS CITY.
ParisParamus on April 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Be prepared…nothing will stand in her way in her fight to protect America.
Hillary Clinton as Tuzla Dash: International diplomat and superspy!
Coming to a theater near you.
Fall 2008
ScottG on April 14, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I don’t think I’ve seen such a self-inflicted wound by a major political figure since Gary Hart dared the press to catch him fooling around.
irishspy on April 14, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Wonder if Obamas comments left a BITTER taste in his mouth?
Bicyea on April 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM
I wouldn’t have been surprised if Obama would have been elected, and then the real man would emerge. I’m glad we’re all learning about this before he’s able to fake and bluff his way to being voted our next president.
wise_man on April 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM
INVEST IN POPCORN FUTURES AND LAWNFURNITURE STOCK
RUUNNNNN DON”T WALK TO YOUR BROKER
Man, SNL old school couldn’t script this any better
What next?
(yes there’s more to come)
EricPWJohnson on April 14, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Uh, so is the poll dubious or isn’t it?
corona on April 14, 2008 at 11:53 AM
I think you are on to something. When people assume they know how others think, they may well be projecting.
mikeyboss on April 14, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Think Obama will point out to Pennsylvanians that they are simply not sophisticated enough to appreciate his nuanced speech and that no offense was intended?
moxie_neanderthal on April 14, 2008 at 11:55 AM
Despite the PR etc it has always been Hillary’s nomination to lose.
Rush is getting his worst nightmare–a stronger candidate and probably the next president. Myself and others have long argued that Hillary needed to have a stake driven thru her, pinning her to the ground as she turned to ashes before we were convinced she would not win. Folks, and you know who you are, let her off the hook in Texas and now she’ll probably be the next president. Had Rush and crew kept their mouths shut Obama’s missteps would be helping McCain, now instead they strengthen Clinton and her money grubbing dirt bag husband. A husband who raises money by taking opposite views and probably peddling favors for Hillary which then goes into their/her bank accounts. You can’t make up sleaze like this. Meanwhile the press ignores it and McCain lauds Hillary as a great American.
I’m going to barf.
patrick neid on April 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM
This might be the first time it hasn’t worked for him and the Mrs.
JiangxiDad on April 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I’m from Lexington, KY, which tends to be one of the more liberal places in the state, and even here they are all about Hillary. And that was even before his anti-small town remarks.
its vintage duh on April 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM
LOL
AbaddonsReign on April 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM
HA! That’s what he gets for being an ebony tower liberal.
ReubenJCogburn on April 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM
With the election 7 months away & an electorate that has short term memory problems, this will all be forgotten.
clancy_wiggum on April 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM
“Bigotry and its consequences”
I didn’t see anything in Obama’s comments that would suggest he is bigoted, Ed. Bigot is “one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”. It was very clear that he was trying to understand and explain what he believed what was occurring in small town Pennsylvania.
Are you talking about Obama’s or small town Pennsylvania’s?
Or are you just trying to be needless inflamatory because you’re now paid by Michelle Malkin?
jim m on April 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM
It’s a reasonable argument to make. But Rush’s response, that McCain is responsible for his own win or loss also holds water. If McCain needs Republicans/Conservatives so much because of a re-surgent Hillary, then he will have to tack to the right and fight hard. Let the chips fall where they may.
JiangxiDad on April 14, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Ha ha I was thinking the same thing. And that reminds me of the time, m u s t t u r n r a d i o o n n o w!
TheSitRep on April 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM
When Obama referred to his (white) grandmother as a “typical white person”, didn’t that fit the shoe of “bigotry”? And what about his choice of “spiritual advisor”? “Reverend” [W]right (not!) doesn’t help his image at all.
So, before you accuse Ed of something he’s not, think, read again, and STHU.
newton on April 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Fortunately, the Democratic candidates both seem to have an Automatic Foot In Mouth Reflex; both have spouses that don’t know when to keep quiet; and both are close associates with a varied cast of complete morons. Even if voters don’t remember the Tuzla Shuffle or the Bitter Pill in six months, I’m sure there will be plenty other things to remember.
jasnell on April 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM
I see another big speech in Obamas’ future.
Obviously Barry O never learned the first rule of hole digging. He’s really starting to sound rediculous.
x-wing on April 14, 2008 at 12:07 PM
jim m
You forgot the first part of the M-W definition you quoted. Let me help:
RushBaby on April 14, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Illinois Democrats do not want Obama back here. Nobody wants to run against him in a primary. They know they’d lose their incumbency.
The last thing the Illinois Democratic Party wants is an Obama Democratic Primary defeat or a defeat in the Presidential race.
gabriel sutherland on April 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Uh, Jim, Obama’s assertion that small-town voters “cling to antipathy against people not like them” is calling them bigots — which is its own kind of bigotry and stereotyping.
Ed Morrissey on April 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Barf patrick neid, barf. It will renew you. McCain can sit back and play the sane elder, irony et all, because you have no idea how the media, the RNC, the Blacks, the liberals will attack Hillary for him.
This year is a gratis idiosyncratic melodrama, staged by the left, for the slobbering of the center, to center-right. The country asked for a circus, and boy did it get one. New technology and new media will all help. The ads are writing themselves for free too. Hillary might end up with five times the money, and still lose.
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I disagree that Hillary is necessarily the stronger candidate. If she was, she’d be winning right now and others would be asking Obama to drop out.
In the end it comes down to the scoreboard. Many people believed Romney was the stronger candidate, but the scoreboard begs to differ.
Also, I’m someone who believes a Dem will be in the White House no matter what. Bush’s approval ratings are at historical lows. It’s about time for a mini revolution where we switch political parties.
If I’m right, I’d rather it was Hillary than Obama.
Esthier on April 14, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Here’s hoping Hillary will beat the drum on this up to the next primary. Nobody else will.
And she still really doesn’t have a shot at the nomination…you guys need to relax. And if by some miracle she does get it, it would break the Democrat party into pieces. You WANT her to win the nomination, truth be told. The Obama supporters will not vote for her in large numbers and she’ll lose 5 to 10 percent of the African American vote if she’s the top of the ticket.
The Democrat party is in a very bad place at the moment. An implosion by Obama that hands the nomination to Hillary will be doom for their chances in the General Election.
Asher on April 14, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Where did you get the quote? I don’t see it in Ed’s comments.
a capella on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I thing even the MSM is gonna have to see there is not enough passes printed to cover this guys true character.
TroubledMonkey on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I take it you’ve been asleep for the last three months.
Esthier on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I, too, predict will be given another oral exercise in what he really meant. The real question is which family member will he
use as an exampleshove off a cliff to save himself?Dubn8tr on April 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM
oops
“We’ll.”
Dubn8tr on April 14, 2008 at 12:19 PM
By the time Rush is finished with Obama today, some Liberal out there is going to call for a lawsuit against him for committing a “hate crime”… :-/
newton on April 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Maybe some of Obambi’s sheeple have taken a clue from Peter Finch of the film “Network” and are finally “Mad as Hell and not going to take Audacity any more.”
viking01 on April 14, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Esthier, you must think clearly. I agree with you on the idea that Hillary would destroy this country by a tad slower than Obama. Other than that we must part. Punishing McCain or the conservatives is one thing, contributing to the demise of a still great country is another. That’s your job now, and your responsibility.
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I nominate Michelle O.
AZCoyote on April 14, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Given Hillary’s penchant for ineptness, I’m waiting for her to show up at her next rally in overalls sporting a John Deer cap and looking like a Hee Haw extra.
$20 says she’s currently working with a voice coach to master a Minnie Pearl-esque accent.
moxie_neanderthal on April 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If it was anyone but Hillary, I’d agree, but I think the country is sick of family dynastys, plus there is the gag reflex only Hillary can create. OTOH, she has a better shot at maintaining blue states in the Dem column, based on primary results. It still will come down to independents and centrists
a capella on April 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Ed’s words are the one line headline to this article.
Ah, Ed and RushBaby, sorry to disagree, but (i) where did Obama show hatred or intolerance of small town Pennsylvania rather than trying to explain what they were feeling and (ii) haven’t you just called Rush, Ann Coulter and most of the people who post here bigoted since they almost all seem to be “obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices”?
jim m on April 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
If the campaign’s internally conducted polling confirms anything like this ARG(GGGGGHHHHH!) result, then it would explain why Barry O, rather than trying to levitate above the turmoil waiting for it to dissipate on its own, is instead flailing around and helping to sustain it. Rasmussen now has his personal negatives among likely voters at 50% - amazingly high considering where he came from and how deeply in the tank the media have been for him, and not much worse at all than Hillary’s which have been around there forever.
CK MacLeod on April 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Buh bye ‘bama. Things are really looking leftward and down. Dem party won’t stand for this. The ‘Uniter’ is a racist, bigot snob (he didn’t even know there were holes on a bowling ball).:):)
geminicontender on April 14, 2008 at 12:24 PM
It’s the caption under the picture. And it’s perfectly apt.
JiangxiDad on April 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I was beginning to think we wouldn’t have the gloriously messy Dhim convention in Denver, but this gaffe (what does such a thing become when it outgrows the definition?) looks like it could help make it more likely.
Who-hoo!
Darksean on April 14, 2008 at 12:25 PM
They may not stand for it, but I doubt it’s because he’s a racist bigoted snob. Those are his positives. His negatives are that he puts his foot in his mouth, not his beliefs.
JiangxiDad on April 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM
“Sen. Obama has encountered other problems in trying to connect with rural whites. At a campaign stop in Adel, Iowa, he drew cringes when he asked a crowd of farmers: “Anybody gone into a Whole Foods lately and seen what they charge for arugula?” The upscale, organics supermarket chain doesn’t have a single store in Iowa. Sen. Obama went on to win the state.”
The man is a snob. Man of the People™ my ass.
Bishop on April 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM
good lord, how wrong can you get. Hillary couldn’t best McCain, not ever. Barack Hussein Obama could because he has legions of gooey-eyed kids who know nothing about his positions but simply think he’s cool. Combiine that with the black community, as led by reveruuuund Wright types, and there’s little doubt that Barack Hussein Obama could best McCain.
Rush is a genius and as an Indiana conservative I will glad follow the Operation Chaos perscription.
Onager on April 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM
As a resident of a small town in Pennsyvania, I can tell you the pompous and clairvoyant Messiah doesn’t have a clue what I am thinking or feeling.
And after the last few days listening to his pretentious preaching, I assure you he doesn’t want to know what I am thinking or feeling.
fogw on April 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.
But I think Ed Morrissey is not paid by MM. Both MM, Ed, and Allah are paid by Pajamas Media.
By the way, Ed has been a big “free agent pickup.” I rarely
went to Captain’s Quarters before. I always liked Bryan’s posts at HotAir. But after reading several excellent, reasoned posts, I am now a big Ed fan.
ColtsFan on April 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM
I guess all of those bitter people clinging to their guns, religion, and anti-immigrant ways have rethought their position.
I didn’t think anything could make John McCain look politicall suave, sophisticated and reasonable. I was wrong. November is starting to look like a so-so minor league team, playing a high school team with a long losing streak. No major leaguers in sight.
michaelo on April 14, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Or are you just trying to be needless inflamatory because you’re now paid by Michelle Malkin?
jim m on April 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Yes thats it, because all conservatives are nose-led dimwits who don’t have an opinion which isn’t created by Karl Rove.
Yeah, that must the case.
Bishop on April 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I’m a strong Hillary supporter, and while I don’t go to Church or own a gun, and while I pretty much agree with everything Senator Obama said, still, I am outraged!
jeff_from_mpls on April 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM
My condolences for your condition and your outrage.
moxie_neanderthal on April 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM
LOL yeah, he didn’t call them small town Crackers or anything.
Oh, that’s some funny right there. Ed took the Boeing (Airbus?) so he’s gonna get the democrat to make Ms. Malkin happy.
funky chicken on April 14, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Obama is grasping at the HOPE that he can CHANGE the perception of his elitist and bigoted comments within a week’s time.
The MSM is spinning like a bitter dervish for him, but Humpty O’Dumpty is not going to be able to tapdance his way out of his collapse that fast.
My prediction:
Barry becomes the national spokesman for Cling Peaches once his campaign folds.
And Michelle O. never has pride in America again.
profitsbeard on April 14, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I wonder how the Mrs. is holding up under all this? She was already picking out the drapes for the White House I’m betting.
UnEasyRider on April 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM
See Ed Morrissey on April 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I most certainly have not. I called you on your presentation of a partial definition. How on earth does that justify what you asked?
RushBaby on April 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM
It is now time for Bubba Billy to head out into Pennsylvania, announce to the masses that he too is a gun-toting hick just like they are, and send Shillary’s number even further down the drain than they already are right now.
pilamaye on April 14, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Hillary, the stronger opponent in November? What are you smoking, fella?
If the dem party rejects Obama because he believes crazy, anti-American, anti-Semitic, hate Whitey things, I’d guess the dem party loses at least half of their reliable black voters (many of whom agree with the crazy stuff, see Keyes, Alicia for a recent example, and Lee, Spike for a past example).
I don’t see those voters coming out for McCain, but they will definitely stay home.
funky chicken on April 14, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Just imagine if 1) Bubba kept his mouth shut the whole time, and 2) the Democrats had winner take all in delegates, Hillary would be trouncing his O’ness.
davecatbone on April 14, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Caveat emptor…this is an ARG Poll. They have been wrong before, both this year and in the past. They’re based here in New Hampshire, and in 1996 they couldn’t even predict the winner of the New Hampshire Primary correctly.
More recently, in December 2007 they said Hillary was ahead of Obama in Iowa-by 15 points! We all know how that one turned out…
If a batch of other polls show this same result, I’ll be convinced. But ARG has been wrong so many times in the past they can’t be considered absolutely reliable.
Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Better start getting the anti-gore vidoes ready because here he comes.
peacenprosperity on April 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM
But I do. Please do tell, dear fogw :)
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM
And just because harpies like Tammy Bruce and Ann Coulter say McCain = “Hillary in a dress” doesn’t make it so, and certainly doesn’t mean that most GOP voters or independent voters agree.
And Ms. Coulter and Ms. Bruce will get an earful from military people if they keep spouting that line, and I hope they will listen.
funky chicken on April 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM
ARG is trash, unfortunately.
ggoofer on April 14, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Why are you outraged if you agree with everything he said? Are you outraged because he got caught saying it or because he wasn’t brave enough to say it directly to PA voters?
a capella on April 14, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Empty Suit,
Empty Skull,
Empty Resume,
Empty Promises
I’ll leave it at that so as not to get banned.
fogw on April 14, 2008 at 1:09 PM
“”Bigotry and its consequences”
I didn’t see anything in Obama’s comments that would suggest he is bigoted, Ed. Bigot is “one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”. It was very clear that he was trying to understand and explain what he believed what was occurring in small town Pennsylvania.
Are you talking about Obama’s or small town Pennsylvania’s?
Or are you just trying to be needless inflamatory because you’re now paid by Michelle Malkin?
jim m on April 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM”
jim m,
You sound really bitter. Do you live in Pennsylvania?
exhelodrvr on April 14, 2008 at 1:15 PM
If they want to fix the gun part of this, they need to have Barry take a Concealed Carry course.
eeyore on April 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Hotair needs to sponsor a contest in which the winner gets two round trip tickets to the Denver Democratic Convention. It will be the event of a lifetime.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 14, 2008 at 1:27 PM
The thing about ARG’s results is, at this point, if there’s any inaccuracy, it’s far more likely to incur the wrath of the left than of the right, which is usually the victim of any poll oversampling or other finagling. Obama’s followers are the ones who are going to be raving about pro-Clinton bias here and an effort by ARG to move the Pennsylvania electorate with these numbers.
Coming on top of Hillary’s recent complaints about the media being unfair to her and pro-Obama, it’s funny to watch the Democrats make the same complaints Republicans have yelled about for half a century, only to be told any bias is all in their imagination.
jon1979 on April 14, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Actually, it already happened once before - Chicago ‘68.
eeyore on April 14, 2008 at 1:34 PM
eeyore on April 14, 2008 at 1:34 PM
I wasn’t born til 73′, so this Denver convention WILL be the event of a lifetime.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM
- - Rush Limbaugh
Or as Rosie would say “U R who U R”.
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM
The “disavowal of middleclassness” taught by the Rev. has its drawbacks.
BrianA on April 14, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Long term analysis - the Democrats will believe that the only cure for their problems with middle America is more diversity, i.e. a harder push for amnesty will be forthcoming. If they can’t make whites a minority or a smaller majority their chances of retaking the presidency and implementing full blown socialism remain grim. White America is a problem for them. I believe Ted Kennedy knows this and that has been his prime motivation for his continued push for amnesty. Leaders and supporters of amnesty in the Stupid party (McAmnesty, Graham (SC)) are being played for useful idiots.
DerKrieger on April 14, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Now, now, fogw, you could be perceived to be a racist from a Pennsylvanian small town.
Mind your guns, religion, anti-immigration, and bitterness.
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I think when the voters of PA discover that ObamaX spent his college summer break in Pakistan, the poll results will be worse.
faraway on April 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM
I haven’t yet decided. I’ll likely hold my nose and vote McCain, but I really don’t want to. I’m a little angry that its come to this considering my state didn’t even get a say. The primaries feel like a joke.
However, the general election will probably change my mind.
That’s one of the reasons I believe it’s better (for us) for her to be the Dem nominee.
On the plus side, if she wins she’s already hated by many. Her approval ratings will make Bush’s look incredible.
Esthier on April 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM
The strangest thing on the Obama flop is that he was always a smug, inflated, haughty guy.
That it took himself to explain it to the masses, shows how naive they are, media included.
Said media is hyperventillating for him now. His fourth re-explanation of what he said, and meant to say, is the funiest of all. I wish I’d find the text. The audio on the radio sounded hilarious.
What’s most disappointing is that, otherwise smart, and relatively sane people, like Bill Handel, KFI 640AM, LA, are completely in the tank for him, including on excusing the obvious.
Why can’t people hold two thoughts in one head - Obama, and his misses, are as haughty as Messrs Gore/Kerry, and misses Kerry, and Hillary is a hypocrite about it.
War of the roses, and they all stink.
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Obama’s views of working class Pennsylvania probably were formed in 1984 by Billy Joel’s song “Allentown”. Mr. Joel had never been in Allentown but wrote a song portraying Allentown as a place of horrendous where there was no work in the iron and steel mills and unemployment anywhere. Mr. Joel wrote silly lyrics but the song had a terrific melody and I am sure that Obama, who was then at Columbia University, probably heard the song and formed his worldview. When the song came out, the supposedly depressed and bitter citizens of Allentown were properly POed at the perception of Allentown. They did not like being portrayed as losers who can’t fend for themselves and can’t educate themselves and have a good life. But that is the way liberal always have always will look at places like Allentown.
Larraby on April 14, 2008 at 2:04 PM
There Esthier, now we’re on the same page. I’m no happier with our lot than you are, just worried about our land. They’ll affect it negatively in this ascending order:
McCain
Hillary C.
Obama
Entelechy on April 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Peter Wehner describes well the “off the record” Obama, the one who arouses much skepticism and alarm. Obama unmasked infuses the “politics of meaning” with “steroids”, and Wehner says that “our republic deserves better”. Amen!
onlineanalyst on April 14, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Great link.
RushBaby on April 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Entelechy said
“Barf patrick neid, barf. It will renew you. McCain can sit back and play the sane elder, irony et all, because you have no idea how the media, the RNC, the Blacks, the liberals will attack Hillary for him.”
That will all be forgotten if and when she gets the nomination. The idea that the Dems, the press, blacks etc won’t rally around their nominee is dubious at best. After only having the White House 12 of the last 40 years they will/would rally around the devil himself. Once the nominee is picked the press, liberals, blacks, TV sitcoms and the Clinton machine will turn their attention to McCain. They will roast him such that you won’t know who he is. And the real trouble–McCain won’t fight back, he will not attack the Clinton’s for the people they are, the sleaze, scandals, the pardons, the money shakedowns, the socialistic economics etc.
funky,
“Hillary, the stronger opponent in November? What are you smoking, fella?”
My actual statement was, it would make her “a stronger candidate and probably the next President”
Why probably the next president? Because the demographics are in the dems favor. I believe and have thought that Obama was the weaker candidate of the two as folks got to know him. Weak enough, I thought, to offset the demographics by getting “blue dogs”, hispanics and independents to switch. If he were to be elected his “politics/economics” would be severely tempered by congress and his lack of having an entrenched machine in place.
If Hillary gets the nod she has a very good chance of winning. Look at the make up of today’s electorate–30% are black, hispanic, jewish, asian, muslim etc. Hillary will get at least 75-80% of that vote. She needs less than 40% of the white vote. Betting you will win vs Hillary because some folks will stay home is iffy at best.
Clinton should have been banished in Texas.
patrick neid on April 14, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Actually, ObamaX called himself Barry until he spent several weeks in Pakistan in 1981 and emerged as Barack.
faraway on April 14, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Obama in a closed door fund raiser in San Fran didn’t mis speak, he wasn’t taken out of context, he used the verbiage and placed it in context the exact way he meant to and whats more, he believes it, just the same way he drank the Pastor Wright Kool Aid and believes that too.
Its the typical liberal hate noise, pol speak and candidate Obama is the furthest left liberal in the Senate, how much more typical can you get?
Speakup on April 14, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Know your enemy my friend. If it is Obama, the left would close ranks and he would be impossible to beat.
McCain doesn’t have the stones to take advantage of any of these resent revelations, and the Dems and MSM would shift into a new gear in defense of Obama, only limited now because his competition for now is another Dem.
While Obama would benefit from closed ranks, black folks will not be there if it is Hillary. Certain doom for her.
Agrippa2k on April 14, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I guess Barry/Barack was just trying to preempt the info soon to come after the State Dept passport snooping.
faraway on April 14, 2008 at 2:34 PM
The worst of the three liberals=NOBAMA.
I guess people are getting tired of Sanford and Son reruns.
saved on April 14, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Yes, we’re very much on the same page. It’s a sad reality. My only hope is that McCain proves himself to be different enough. We need him to grovel a little.
But again, if Obama is the weaker candidate, why is he winning and pulling in so much money?
If Hillary wins, it’ll feel to many that she stole the election. Already a large percentage of Hillary and Obama supporters have said they wouldn’t vote for the other Democrat. This is win-win.
Were it not for Hillary still being in the election it’s possible we would have never heard Wright’s statements. They seemed to only publish that in reaction to SNL’s clip about how Hillary’s being treated in the media compared to how Obama’s being treated.
And besides, all the reasons you list as reasons while Hillary will win the White House still apply to Obama. He has the same advantages she would have.
I don’t understand your point.
Esthier on April 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM
That was a misleading headline. It wasn’t a “twenty-point stumble.” It should have read “Stumbles to 20-point Gap in PA.”
Officer Barbrady, I would like file a claim of Shennanigans.
Spolitics on April 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM
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