Tapper: Obama and allies dodging the point

posted at 6:45 pm on April 13, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday I wrote that Barack Obama and the Democrats tried to dodge the most offensive part of his remarks in San Francisco by defending only the “bitterness” allegation. I also said that the national media had begun to focus on the same thing rather than the condescending dismissal of religious faith and gun-rights advocacy as caused by economic turbulence, and the broad assumption of xenophobia and bigotry among small-town Midwesterners. Jake Tapper at ABC has noticed the same trend:

As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his allies have locked into damage control mode and attempted to explain his controversial remarks about small-town Pennsylvanians, they’ve attempted to focus their pushback away from the most controversial part of his remarks to an elite crowd at a San Francisco fundraiser. …

While the description of small town Pennsylvanians as “bitter” is certainly impolitic, many political analysts say it’s what follows that adjective that is potentially so alienating — the notion that small town folks “get bitter” after which “they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

But Obama allies are trying to focus on the “bitter” part alone.

It’s understandable. Had he just stopped there, he would have had an arguable point. Unfortunately, he didn’t stop there — and he revealed the snobby, elitist view of middle America that is held by the hard Left. Perhaps more media outlets allow him this defense because they also don’t understand the offensive and snobbish nature of the remarks that follow.


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Obama is Kerry without the Silver Star

TexasJew on April 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Obama is all about CHANGE-ing the subject & HOPE-ing that no one notices.

jgapinoy on April 13, 2008 at 6:52 PM

If Obama were to acknowledge anything other then the “bitter” comment, he might have to apologies. You don’t really expect HIM to do that, do you?

abinitioadinfinitum on April 13, 2008 at 7:00 PM

the notion that small town folks “get bitter” after which “they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

- “Get bitter” – agitprop, so that the Messiah can swoop in to save us from ourselves. And that’s the ‘change‘ and ‘hope‘ and ‘unity‘ hype, ladies and gentlemen.

- “they cling to guns” – Mr. Obama, run against them in PA.
- “or religion” – Mr. Obama, run against it in PA.
- “antipathy to people who aren’t like them” – all people, no matter who they are, cling to their own kind. It’s perfectly natural, and will never change. It’s not “antipathy”, it’s being comfortable among their own.
- “or anti-immigrant sentiment” – Mr. Obama, run for illegal immigration in PA.
- “or anti-trade sentiment” – Mr. Obama, you are for and against NAFTA, depending on your audience.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Now just what would we expect from the most liberal senator in the senate? Duck, dodge, weave, obfuscate and hope against hope that nobody will actually notice and call them on it!

Vntnrse on April 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Gloria Borger should get Obama combat pay for running interference for him this morning on “Reliable Sources.” She also stressed the “bitterness” aspect. It was shameless.

rivlax on April 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM

Even though he is often ridiculous, Tapper has actually been better than most of the MSM on reporting these things.

its vintage duh on April 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Here’s the music theme,John Mellencamps “”Small Town”
with Jack And Diane for the mood of this thread!haha

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Obama is Kerry without the Silver Star

TexasJew on April 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM

OHB is equally deserving of the Silver Star.

Wade on April 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Obama is an arrogant elitist. He says he empathizes with the middle class and the poor, yet he hardly contributed to charities only his own for garnering votes in the largest church in Chicago.

jencab on April 13, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Ed, the focus on our side of “elitism” is a problem too. Some people will contrast that with the Boooosh straw man take the elitism every time. Incompetency is what has killed the Republican brand and to focus on that is a killer for us.

Being “elite” and “out of touch” are not the issues. The issue is the Machiavellian social engineering calculation. If you want one word to describe Obama’s gaffe, it is calculating.

ninjapirate on April 13, 2008 at 7:12 PM

There’s no dodging around this. He’s spinning his head at a 360, just like that girl in “The Exorcist.”

Give it enough time, and he will levitate… to the admiration of his followers.

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Me thinks Obama is taking class-warfare to a new level!

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Obama is everything he claims to hate about America: racist, bigot, clinging to bitterness, clinging to America’s past a way to validate his self-hatred of himself.

SouthernGent on April 13, 2008 at 7:16 PM

Here’s the appropriate song for what Obama has been doing.

Yep, keep spinning this one, Obama…

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:17 PM

When liberal candidates lose their momentum, they get bitter and cling to their spin.

RBMN on April 13, 2008 at 7:18 PM

OHB is equally deserving of the Silver Star.

Wade on April 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Good, we’ll give him one after the first week in November, porthumonously.

TexasJew on April 13, 2008 at 7:19 PM

There’s no dodging around this.He’s spinning his head at a 360,just like that girl in”The Exorcist”.
newton on April 13,2008 at 7:13PM.

newton:Question,whose gonna clean up the pea soup,haha!

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM

America can’t seem to get beyond its own prejudices to elect bitter elitists like the Obamas. There’s still much work to be done.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Heres the appropriate song…
newton on April 13,2008 at 7:17PM.

newton:You is the man,priceless,I forgot that diddy!HEHE

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM

;-)

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:29 PM

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Da man?!? How about “da chick”?

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Da man?!? How about “da chick”?

newton on April 13,2008 at 7:30PM.

newton:Oops,I didn’t know,sorry!

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

“… the notion that small town folks “get bitter” after which “they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them…….,”

Yeah…………. kinda like this guy.

Seven Percent Solution on April 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Oh, don’t worry! Half the people here don’t know it! :-)

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Obama To Rural Pennsylvanians (Americans):
“Vote For Me, You Corncob-Smokin’, Banjo-Strokin’ Chicken-Chokin’ Cousin-Pokin’ Inbred Hillbilly Racist Morons”
—Ace

Over at Ace of Spades…

heldmyw on April 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Speaking of bitterness, I’ve always gotten the impression that Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry, Pelosi, et. al were, in fact, bitter.

The faith-filled prominent Repubs.and talk-radio hosts, not at all.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM

heldmyw on April 13, 2008 at 7:39 PM

heh.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Perhaps more media outlets allow him this defense because they also don’t understand the offensive and snobbish nature of the remarks that follow.

That’s because they are members of the same club; the leftwing liberal club. They probably have never associated with real Americans.

amr on April 13, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Oh,don’t worry!
newton on April 13,2008 at 7:38Pm.

newton:10-4:)

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Actually, I think the “bitter” part is the worst thing about his comments. Personally (and I know I’m in the minority at HotAir), I wish that people would lighten up about guns and religion a little. However, suggesting that those issues come about because of bitterness about the economy (and implicitly, oppession by “the man”) is a little too Marxist for my tastes. Remember, his comments were only tangentially about guns and religion, whereas the heart of his appeal was to suggest “reforms” in the economy. Even if Obama’s elected, he won’t be able to take away your guns or god(s), but he will probably be able to take a big chunk out of your paycheck in the interest of economic “justice.”

Big S on April 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Barack Obama has never gone hunting and isn’t planning to. But his campaign last week reached out to the hunters and anglers of Appalachia, touting his professorial faith in the Constitution—and, by extension, the Second Amendment. With Pennsylvania’s primary in the offing, his short-term aim was to win votes in Deer Hunter Country, which is most everything west of Philly.

In San Francisco, meanwhile, he undercut that message with a condescending one: that bitterness over job losses and disillusionment with government was forcing small-town America to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”

Depending where he is, and who the audience is…this guy has learned the art of triangulation from Bill Clinton, and has become better at it.

McCain it tripsing into Brooklyn and LA, meanwhile…

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Even if Obama’s elected, he won’t be able to take away your guns or god(s), but he will probably be able to take a big chunk out of your paycheck in the interest of economic “justice.”

Big S on April 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Aren’t you in NYC? Try to get a gun, legally.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 7:52 PM

I’m mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore. Where’s my duck license?

oakpack on April 13, 2008 at 7:59 PM

What a snob!

wryteacher on April 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM

My dad left the TV with CNN on earlier today and I couldn’t believe the constant, furious pro-Obama spin. Are these schmucks on Obama’s payroll or something? I used to think CNN was better than all the other liberal news stations. Now I know better.

Darth Executor on April 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Test test

William Amos on April 13, 2008 at 8:14 PM

” …. that bitterness over job losses and disillusionment with government was forcing small-town America …”

That Obama guy, I seem to recall he’s somehow involved in government isn’t he? Yeh, he’s with party in control of both houses of Congress that does little other than whine, complain and hold hearings.

No disillusionment with that crowd, eh?

fogw on April 13, 2008 at 8:15 PM

McCain is tripsing into Brooklyn and LA,meanwhile…
Entelechy on April 13,2008 at 7:51PM.

Entelechy: You’ve been on a roll,and on fire all afternoon
on the threads.
Triangulation,and better than Bill,you are so
dead on.I’m wondering By design or accident for
Obama?Good l!rd,its not even the general yet!

canopfor on April 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Aren’t you in NYC? Try to get a gun, legally.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Getting a handgun permit in MA is almost impossible by design.

TheBigOldDog on April 13, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Perhaps more media outlets allow him this defense because they also don’t understand the offensive and snobbish nature of the remarks that follow.

Oh, they understand, Ed. They’re just in the tank.

BacaDog on April 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I used to think CNN was better than all the other liberal news stations.

Darth Executor on April 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Dude.

CNN’s portrait of America is on par with Al Jazeera’s. Always has been.

fogw on April 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM

OHB is equally deserving of the Silver Star.

Wade on April 13, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Ouch. That’s gonna leave a mark.

———

Tapper sometimes screws up and criticizes Democrats, and usually follows it up with “…but the Republicans are just as bad, or worse.

misterpeasea on April 13, 2008 at 8:24 PM

CNN’s portrait of America is on par with Al Jazeera’s. Always has been.

fogw on April 13, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Indeed. CNN Int’l is at least double as bad with their anti-Americanism.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Well, the small town bitters have been running America for the last 7+ years…and they’ve run it into the ground.

I think Obama made a smart move by tweaking their holier-than-thou noses a little.

Those of us who work in the private sector are a little tired of footing the bill for their government-subsidized lifestyle choices.

alphie on April 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Those of us who work in the private sector are a little tired of footing the bill for their government-subsidized lifestyle choices.

alphie on April 13, 2008 at 8:36 PM

WTF?

How elitest of you. Do you honestly think their are no people in Pennsylvania working in the private sector?

You sound like your empty suit hero, Obama.

fogw on April 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Not many, fog.

Take away government and government-subsidized jobs from rural America and all you’d have left is a few small service businesses.

What could be more elitest than takin’ tax money from city folks to live on while looking down on them at the same time?

alphie on April 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM

alphie on April 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Cities make money because they have all the money manipulating jobs that pay well and produce little.

Darth Executor on April 13, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Take away government and government-subsidized jobs from rural America and all you’d have left is a few small service businesses.

Wow.

The left’s view of America is bizarre.

Simply bizarre.

Hooterville’s from coast to coast broken up with metropolitan areas filled with enlightened progressives creating all of the wealth of America.

And they lived happily ever after…

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Obama should give another “great speech”.

On “clinging” or “bitterness” or “small towns” or “guns and faith”.

I’ve got enough popcorn and brew to last until the convention.

Then I break out the caviar and bubbly.

Keep tapdancing, O Empty One!

The tune:

Puttin’ on the Gritz.

profitsbeard on April 13, 2008 at 9:14 PM

alphie:

tweaking their noses? Let me get this straight, Obama goes to pick the pockets of some billionares in San Fran and the news of what he says gets around and he backtracks, grovels, kisses ass and in general tries to evade responsibility for what came out of his mouth…and the rubes are the ones who got tweaked?

Gee, and I thought you cared.

Terrye on April 13, 2008 at 9:15 PM

and alphie:

Not everyone in the country gets a subsidy. In fact we actually pay the taxes that help build the interstates in the nasty stinking urban areas out there.

But as for subsidies, when prices are high subsidies are low and then people bitch about food prices going up. The truth is people like you really want a bunch of peasants living in subsistence poverty just to feed your asses.

Terrye on April 13, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Ed:

Perhaps more media outlets allow him this defense because they also don’t understand the offensive and snobbish nature of the remarks that follow.

Bingo. Survey after survey has demonstrated that journalists in the major media are a) overwhelmingly Democratic and b) left-liberal. If they’re ignoring the truly snotty portions of Obama’s “observations,” it’s because they either agree with them and don’t see the problem, or they see clearly the problem and they’re trying to limit the damage.

irishspy on April 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Half of a successful defense is choosing the right ground.

He is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
- Sun Tzu

In the practical art of defence, you must be prepared to defend at any time in the future. In the impractical art of defense, you should have been prepared quite some time ago, and it’s probably already too late. You’re scroomed.
- Sun Tzu’s Nephew

MB4 on April 13, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Obama needs to back to racist compound in Chicago, Illinois called Trinity United Church.

Chakra Hammer on April 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Can alphie really believe that crap? Does he really believe that all the jobs in small towns are created by government? What a moron. I live in the country about a mile from a little town that was settled in the 1830′s and shocking it as it may seem to the city folk out there, we are regular people. Real human beings with lives and everything…and real jobs…and schools and businesses and libraries and court houses and all that kind of stuff.

In fact the blue dog Democrat that won the last Congressional election here is pro life, a hardliner on immigration, and in general a lot more conservative than Obama, good thing because if Ellsworth had said anything as stupid as Obama did he would have to go back to being a sheriff.

Maybe that is why small town people have been running things for awhile, city people like alphie are not smart enough to win elections.

Terrye on April 13, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Obama is Kerry without the Silver Star

TexasJew on April 13, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Ha.

Ha. Ha. Ha.

BowHuntingTexas on April 13, 2008 at 9:40 PM

My dad left the TV with CNN on earlier today and I couldn’t believe the constant, furious pro-Obama spin. Are these schmucks on Obama’s payroll or something? I used to think CNN was better than all the other liberal news stations. Now I know better.

Darth Executor on April 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Where have you been the last 15 years? CNN’s lack of journalistic integrity dating back 15 years makes the National Enquirer look respectable.

Del Dolemonte on April 13, 2008 at 9:43 PM

So let me get this straight. Because

the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,

they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Let’s say I find a picture of some guys in hard-hats at an anti-Vietname War demonstration (waayyy back in the “pre-bitter” days) with a sign that says, “God, guns and guts, is what made America great.” Must be a Karl Rove photo-shop job, right? Just saying.

smellthecoffee on April 13, 2008 at 9:49 PM

It is the juxtaposition of guns, religion, and RACISM that bothers me. He put them together. They are, to him (and his audience), “equally” illegitimate retreats for the bitter.

Agrippa2k on April 13, 2008 at 9:51 PM

There’s no dodging around this. He’s spinning his head at a 360, just like that girl in “The Exorcist.”

newton on April 13, 2008 at 7:13 PM

I was going to comment on how dizzy I was getting from all the spin, but I liked your analogy better. It would probably give the big O fits to know that he is being likened to someone named (wait for it) Re(a)gan… Bwa-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa…

Captain Scarlet on April 13, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Can alphie really believe that crap?

Sometimes I have believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Here’s an analogy. . .

Obama says, ‘Kids like ice cream. But if they eat it they will get fat, and they will be undesirable because they are fat. And they will die alone because they could not find a mate by being so fat.’

The narrative for the apology is: ‘Of COURSE kids like ice cream. Everybody knows that’s true.’

ThackerAgency on April 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM

And who says there are not any jobs? What is this stuff about no jobs? The unemployment rate is about 5% for Chrisake. And in these small towns our kids actually graduate from highschool. You have to go to the big cities to get drop out rates of 60% to 70%.

Terrye on April 13, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Sigy, you’re missing the good things in life.

On topic, the war of roses is on - problem, they both stink.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM

And who says there are not any jobs?

Terrye

Exactly. To say that “those jobs won’t be coming back” would be true. But he said “no jobs have replaced them”. Which is a patented lie. Or a delusion.

Agrippa2k on April 13, 2008 at 9:56 PM

God forbid that we ever get together, over dinner and drinks, profitsbeard.

I thought you meant – Putin on the Ritz :)

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Sigy, you’re missing the good things in life.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM

If you don’t know where you are going, any road will take you there.

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Sigy, but not faster, or fast enough.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

If you don’t know where you are going, any road will take you there.

Sigy

Libs and Obama in a nutshell.

Agrippa2k on April 13, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Sigy, but not faster, or fast enough.

Entelechy on April 13, 2008 at 10:00 PM

I know that If I begin at the beginning and go on till I come to the end then stop I should be there eventually.

I can’t explain myself any futher I’m afraid Madame, because I’m not myself you see.

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 10:14 PM

So for the last 30 years, to hear Obambi tell it, the poor white folks in Pennsylvania haven’t had any jobs and are bitter. And with a 5% national unemployment rate. And with respectable job growth in Pennsylvania. And with the Sunbelt booming for over 35 years.

I remember reading this kind of crap in 1977 in Rolling Stone magazine. It was a bit sad then, but it’s ludicrous now.

Who wants to elect this clueless tissue culture President?

TexasJew on April 13, 2008 at 10:16 PM

I watched the end of the “conpassion conference” (or something like that, with Obama and Hill) She brought up the elitist issue. The response from Obama was defensive, and actually he looked very weak. Eyes down, not looking straight at the camera. I think he knows he screwed up bad, or he’s just so arrogant he figures that this will blow over and he’ll go back to softball.

Also, (and the real headline) Michael Gerson was on the after-panel and actually used the Marxist word in talking about Obama’s comments.

It was late, no one responded, the word just hung there.

r keller on April 13, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Remember how after the 2004 elections, the Dims were dismayed at how middle America didn’t vote for the libs social agenda. The maps that showed the red states block in the middle of the country with the blue perimeters on each coast. The libs were very derisive in calling the red block of middle America “Jesusland.” They have been elitists for a long time.

Mallard T. Drake on April 13, 2008 at 10:18 PM

the broad assumption of xenophobia and bigotry among small-town Midwesterners

.

I really don’t understand what’s so amiss about this assumption; like all generalizations, it misses the nuances of particular groups, individualities, and communities, but as a general proposition, it’s perfectly accurate. Small-town America is home to wonderful values such as faith, family, and patriotic feelings yes, but also home to “xenophobia and bigotry.” What’s so controversial about this. Everyone knows it. The right is simply playing politics here.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM

But, I should add, Ed is–of course–overplaying and misconstruing Barry’s poorly worded point, which is that in times of economic anxiety, small town America becomes an insular and difference-fearing place. Doh!

Shocking isn’t it?

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Of course he’s concentrating on the bitter. The Dem strategy after their defeat in ’04 was to go after the middle class and religion. Hillary has used the strategy as well, so she can’t get any kind of pass, although she has understood it better. Convince Middle Class America that they are hurting has been the strategy. Certainly, there are segments of middle class America that are suffering job loss. (We won’t mention that Hillary promised NYS 200,000 jobs in order to get elected and that never came to pass). But this manipulative strategy, which is why the Dem are gleeful every time the Dow drops, should be apparent to PA voters. One cannot pretend to be a messiah until voters are properly made aware of their bitterness.

Connie on April 13, 2008 at 10:33 PM

But he said “no jobs have replaced them”. Which is a patented lie. Or a delusion.

McJobs, maybe. Crap jobs. But still jobs, I guess.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Small-town America is home to wonderful values such as faith, family, and patriotic feelings yes, but also home to “xenophobia and bigotry.” What’s so controversial about this. Everyone knows it. The right is simply playing politics here.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Let’s just, for a moment, assume that what you say is correct. When will Mr.Obama explain to us his own pathologies, and those of his community/city/group/political party/church/family etc.

It would be interesting to compare pathologies to see how to help the bitterness. Maybe we can put somebody from a small town in a debate with the Rev. Wright.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Not many, fog.

Take away government and government-subsidized jobs from rural America and all you’d have left is a few small service businesses.

What could be more elitest than takin’ tax money from city folks to live on while looking down on them at the same time?

alphie on April 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Wow, try telling that to all the successful farmers, my family included that.
In addition to the successful business we started 10 years ago which employs 8 people full time.
Click on my avatar to see what some of those of us in rural areas live in!
Jackass.

ArmyAunt on April 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Convince Middle Class America that they are hurting has been the strategy.

Where have you been Connie? Mars? Here in the midwest, few middle and working class Americans need to be “convinced” they are hurting. They are hurting. For real. Do you think midwestern Americans are so easily duped into buying Clintonista “manipulation”? These people are not morons and they are not dupes. They see the misery the last eight years have wrought.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM

They see the misery the last eight years have wrought.

What misery?

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM

They see the misery the last eight years have wrought

Eight years of misery.

Hoo boy.

72+ months of uninterrupted growth. Low unemployment, high productivity rates, low inflation, the highest home ownership in history (until the past 3 months; but it’s still extremely high), millions of people around the world trying to get into the country…and on and on.

Granted, we’ve hit a tough spot in the past 3 months. But 3 months is not 8 years of misery.

Eight years. Wow.

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM

What misery? You obviously don’t live in the midwest.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM

They see the misery the last eight years have wrought.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:37 PM

That should have toughened them up some for the next eight years then.

Murphy9 on April 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM

They are hurting. For real.

5.1% unemployment, a $14.5 trillion GDP, Americans living longer than we’ve ever before, and this person thinks it’s the Great Depression II.

Wow.

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:43 PM

72+ months of uninterrupted growth. Low unemployment, high productivity rates, low inflation, the highest home ownership in history (until the past 3 months; but it’s still extremely high), millions of people around the world trying to get into the country…and on and on.

Ah, the glories of Wall Street Journal spectacles. I think if you look closely at the Rust Belt, you’ll find the realities belie these sunny fictions.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Ah, the glories of Wall Street Journal spectacles. I think if you look closely at the Rust Belt, you’ll find the realities belie these sunny fictions.

Those numbers are simply seen through “Wall Street Journal” spectacles?

So, what sources of information on the economy do you use?

Those are the official numbers of the US Government. Not the Administration. The government.

You actually think the past 8 years have been completely and totally economically misery for us?

All 8 years?

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:47 PM

I think if you look closely at the Rust Belt, you’ll find the realities belie these sunny fictions.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:45 PM

You said the “misery” is a result of the past 8 years. Now you can’t defend your statement. Rust Belt began with Bush, huh?

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM

the Great Depression II

No, not that bad, obviously. But still pretty bad. Poverty rates are increasing. Soup kitchens are seeing greater numbers. Search for “poverty in Ohio” and tell me what you find.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM

What misery?

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Eight years of misery.

Hoo boy.

What misery?

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:42 PM

If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn’t be, and what it wouldn’t be, it would.

You see?

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Rust Belt began with Bush, huh?

No. I never said that. But Bush has been a disaster for the midwest. He won Ohio in 2004 by a razor thin margin, and then largely because of the anti-gay marriage amendments on the ballots. The disaster began back in the 70s of course, and Clinton’s signing of NAFTA accelerated the process.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:52 PM

No, not that bad, obviously. But still pretty bad. Poverty rates are increasing. Soup kitchens are seeing greater numbers. Search for “poverty in Ohio” and tell me what you find.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Good one. I thought you were serious. You got me! Search for poverty in Ohio. LOL! How’s the soup?

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Poverty rates are increasing. Soup kitchens are seeing greater numbers. Search for “poverty in Ohio” and tell me what you find

Here are the poverty rates in the US. Table

Poverty in American is cyclical going from about 12 to 15%.

The number has stayed roughly the same over the past 8 years at about 12.5%.

Most of that is young people.

Ohio is not the US. Anecdotes do not equal facts.

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM

If all of our jobs have gone to Mexico, why are all those damned Mexicans trying to come here for employment?

You’d think we’d be trying to go to Mexico for jobs and not Mexicans coming here for them.

Sheesh.

SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

LOL! How’s the soup?

Hilarious.

Grow Fins on April 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

You said the “misery” is a result of the past 8 years. Now you can’t defend your statement. Rust Belt began with Bush, huh?

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:48 PM

One thing is certain, that Al Gore had nothing to do with it. It was Bush’s fault entirely. For Al Gore has been speaking about his global warming for the last seven years (and getting quite rich I understand) so you see that he couldn’t have had any hand in the mischief.

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

What’s so controversial about this. Everyone knows it

It’s hypocritical. See Rev Wright. See where he said the remarks. Look at the remarks. As a midwesterner who lives in the country, I say piss off.

The problem with this line of attack for Republicans is that they have acted aloof and incompetent so charging elitism is incredibly weak. The republicans can’t pretend everything is all right nor can they accept what Obama said.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/13/tapper-obama-and-allies-dodging-the-point/#comment-1067181

ninjapirate on April 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Anecdotes do not equal facts.
SteveMG on April 13, 2008 at 10:54 PM

She’s a lib. Feelings trump facts. Especially when she can show you how much she cares. If you weren’t so mean, you would get it.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Sigy on April 13, 2008 at 10:56 PM

But Algore lives in the Midwest, which is mired in despair, poverty and bitterness. How could he be rich then? I didn’t even know he had found a job. Congratulations to him.

JiangxiDad on April 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM

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