2,000 years ago John the Apostle wrote that the final battle will be over Israel

He wrote no such thing. Please, do yourself and the rest of America (and Israel) a favor and pull your head out of John Hagee’s blasphemous misinterpretations of Scripture and read a theologian with a brain and some ethics.

georgealbert on April 12, 2008 at 9:16 AM

Bla bla bla, yada yada yada, honk honk honk. What the heck does anything you wrote above have to do with anything? I’d love to know what “American values” you (and Krauthammer) actually adhere to?

And as to “[My] friend the Saudis” — it’s always a zero sum game with you nationalists of The Stupid Party. That is, if one dosen’t support a specific policy (e.g. putting Israel’s interests before America’s), it must mean one supports the exact opposite (e.g. putting Saudi Arabia’s interests before America’s).

This is simple-mindedness to a T — and explains why McCain is your nominee. Good luck.

Israel, needs the peace of mind and in my opinion its the bbest way to stabilize the Hamas, Palestinian situation.

We have thousands of troops in Kuwait, Qatar, and Dubai, it would just be a shift and a welcome relief to the Israelis

And Quite a few Arab leaders would whisper thank god under their breath

If you want to know how all this is going to turn out I suggest you read the last few chapters of the “Book.”

Drum on April 12, 2008 at 1:05 AM

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Hey Drum, yes, Krauthammer is Jew but you folks that think that the US being on the side of people with whom we share values, as opposed to being on the side of those folks like your friends the Saudis with whom we only share economic interests and with whom we have virtually no shared values, is not putting Israel above all else.

Some of us actually believe that American values should not be auctioned off to the highest bidder, clearly you do not agree. Too bad for you and we are very lucky that most Americans don’t agree with your views supporting anti-American values

If Iran were to ‘nuke’ Israel, I don’t think that there would be enough left of Iran for the U.S. Air Force to find it.

We may not have a choice. This is a global war.

paul006 on April 11, 2008 at 7:21 PM

An option. Do you think that if the Soviets attacked us during the cold war, there would not have been mass casualties in the Soviet union?

Johan Klaus on April 11, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Oh indeed, yes. But that’s not analogous to the United States nuking a country to avenge a third party.

It seems to me wholly implausible to think that we would do what Krauthammer advocates: indiscriminately kill hundreds of thousands of civilians as a retaliatory act on another country’s behalf. Even McCain wouldn’t do that, much less Obama. Perhaps such a thing was once in the American character, but it isn’t today.

Consequently, I wouldn’t issue the kind of threat that Krauthammer calls for, because such a threat is empty. And empty threats undermine our credibility. More importantly, neither McCain nor Obama will issue such a threat. Both of these men are averse even to the waterboarding of terrorists. They’re not going to vengefully bomb civilians en masse. (Following a nuclear attack on Israel, I can see either man undertaking conventional strikes on Iranian military installations and even the country’s infrastructure. But mass killing as an act of revenge, that’s out.

(Just incidentally, Israel’s planes remain on the tarmac. This could mean many things, of course. But it might mean that Israeli intelligence detects no imminent threat.)

Actually Vatican City might top Israel as the number one target. Solely for the reason that their crackpot leader wants to start WW3 and bring back the 12th whatever. He also knows that the world turned its back on the Jewish people once before. Now he might want to test the old saying that the Pope has no armies.

AP, you are basically saying that there is no special significance to the Holocaust of the Jews in Europe. I disagree. In the 20th Century in the middle of the supposedly most modern and progressive society that ever existed, modern man used all its technology to execute a war of extermination specifically against the Jews as a race. Coming out of WWII we supposedly learned the lesson that we should not allow modern states to engage in genocide. And while we have allowed geocides, in Rwanda and in Cambodia, we have not allowed anything with the overt, open and clear pure race genocide in the middle of 1st world nations. And to allow it to happen again, and to the Jews of all people who just went through it, basically says that human civilization is doomed because we still do not have the courage to stand up to mass murderers and after over 1000 years of accepting racist anti-Semitism, we still have made no progress. Yes, it is more significant if we allow it again for the Jews. Not because the Jews are better than other folks, but but because Jew hatred is one reliable indicator of the health or illness of a civilzation. The Jews are very tiny minority and there is no logical rationale for Jew hatred…it is purely hatred for hatred’s sake. It tells us something about us.

They produce munitions, new soldiers, and income to buy both.

Iran has already attacked us, as their proxies in Iraq have shelled and shot at American troops … so we should destroy their nuclear capability sometime like … yesterday.

Yes, fighting for your country certainly could mean that. But what does that have to do with the United States killing Iranian civilians en masse?

I was talking about the obligation and duty Iranians have to fight for their own country. That was your original point, that the Iranian people are “innocents” and therefore shouldn’t be involved. I say they’re not. But I’ve said this to you before, so we are going in circle.

An option. Do you think that if the Soviets attacked us during the cold war, there would not have been mass casualties in the Soviet union?

Fighting for your own country can mean fighting an internal or external enemy, or both.

JiangxiDad on April 11, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Yes, fighting for your country certainly could mean that. But what does that have to do with the United States killing Iranian civilians en masse?

It’s a moot point anyway. We’re not going to do it.

Then why isn’t he recommending that Israel join NATO?

Yea, I can see france, belgium and turkey agreeing to Israel joining NATO. You’re cracking me up.

Let’s deter Iran by threatening to nuke them if they nuke Israel — Krauthammer

I doubt we would get the chance. Israel would knock down Iran’s missile and nuke them first. Don’t mess with the Israelites.

Are we prepared to permit a first Holocaust to be perpetrated upon, say, the Italian or Polish people?

Excuse me, Allah. I haven’t heard the extremist leader of a nation rushing to develop nuclear weapons proclaiming his intention to wipe Italy or Poland off the map. Your liberal nuance is showing.