Guess who learned how to use a flagpole?

posted at 10:15 am on April 11, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Who says that education doesn’t occur at Minnesota’s own state-funded madrassa?  After Executive Director Azad Zaman of the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA) professed ignorance at how to operate a flagpole over the five years the charter school was required to fly the American flag, KSTP noticed that an old dog can learn new tricks after all:

Since 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS investigated TIZA Academy in Inver Grove Heights on Wednesday, the school’s attorney has said several changes would be made.

The most noticeable — an American flag now flies over the school for the first time since the academy was founded in 2003.

Zaman and his attorney took pains to tell KSTP about all of the messages of hate and threats they have received since getting exposed by Katherine Kersten this week in the Star Tribune.   There is no excuse for that kind of response, and it should stop.  No one suggests that anything untoward happens at TIZA, but that the state should not directly fund religious education — and we wonder why TIZA has an apparent exception.

The flag, at least, is no longer an exception.  The increased scrutiny has proven instructive in that regard.  Zaman can now say he’s mastered the use of a rope-and-pulley system, thanks to Kersten and KSTP.


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Where’s the ACLU?

p40tiger on April 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM

I have another good idea for the use of that pole.

Sugar Land on April 11, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Where’s the ACLU?

The ACLU is keeping their powder dry till it’s a school promoting something other than the Religion of Pieces™

Wind Rider on April 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Where’s the ACLU?

p40tiger

The ACLU is doing its job: it’s out looking for Christians to attack and finding ways to get public financing.

snaggletoothie on April 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM

What do you mean, “no one suggests anything untoward happens at TIZA”?

Am I the first one??

Darksean on April 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Wow – I didn’t know how easy it was to add an appendix to the Koran.

corona on April 11, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Just once, I would like to actually see the purported death threats and hate mail. Surely there must be a saved email or saved phone message of hate somewhere!

PattyJ on April 11, 2008 at 10:28 AM

No one suggests that anything untoward happens at TIZA, but that the state should not directly fund religious education

Absolutely agree however they need to held to same standard as any other religion based school without exception. So where do the Christians and Jews sign up at for the school?

VikingGoneWild on April 11, 2008 at 10:29 AM

FYI: The school is named after Tarek ibn Ziyad who was a Muslim military leader who burned his ships behind the soldiers. Here are some quotes from a speech he supposedly gave:

Remember that in this country you are more unfortunate than the orphan seated at the table of the avaricious master. … Here is a splendid opportunity to defeat him, if you will consent to expose yourselves freelv to death. … Remember that if you suffer a few moments in patience, you will afterward enjoy supreme delight. … The Commander of True Believers, Alwalid, son of Abdalmelik, has chosen you for this attack from among all his Arab warriors; and he promises that you shall become his comrades and shall hold the rank of kings in this country. Such is his confidence in your intrepidity. The one fruit which he desires to obtain from your bravery is that the word of God shall be exalted in this country, and that the true religion shall be established here. The spoils will belong to yourselves. …

JustTruth101 on April 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Let me see??? Football team has pre-game prayer, ACLU gets involved. Madrassa in MN has cleansing time, call to prayer, ACLU strangely silent. Maybe they should remove the AMERICAN from their name…

pueblo1032 on April 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Just once, I would like to actually see the purported death threats and hate mail. Surely there must be a saved email or saved phone message of hate somewhere!

PattyJ on April 11, 2008 at 10:28 AM

No kidding. How hard would it be to forward the emails to the reporter or let the media listen to the voicemails?

Or is learning how to properly display the US flag taking up way too much time?

VikingGoneWild on April 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Ahhh, good ol’ multi-culti Minnesota. Land of 10,000 Somali cab drivers who refuse fares who have guide-dogs, alcohol or homosexual tendencies.

But don’t talk about that, its not Minnesota Nice.

You can Old Glory probably doesn’t get the proper respect when its hauled up and down everyday.

Bishop on April 11, 2008 at 10:33 AM

This isn’t going away

h/t spree

“The letter that the ACLU of Minnesota has sent to the Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy can be found here. (2 page PDF file).

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 10:41 AM

I want to know how many of these schools exist in other states.

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM

I want to buy the land across from the school and start a Swine Confinement Operation, AKA “Pig Farm”!!

PappaMac on April 11, 2008 at 10:44 AM

More

“The article pointed out that the TIZA was originally intended to be a private school, which can endorse religion, but due to the fact that many of the 300 students are low-income Muslim immigrant families, those families could not afford a private school.”

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Let’s just make sure that at the end of the day they don’t burn the flag after lowering it.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Score one for those who love America.

Finally broke out the flap pole owner’s manual huh? “Pull on rope until you can reach flag clips. Clip flag to rope. Pull rope till flag reaches top of pole. Tie off rope.”

Hog Wild on April 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

What do you mean, “no one suggests anything untoward happens at TIZA”?

Am I the first one??

Darksean on April 11, 2008 at 10:24 AM

If they are teaching from the Islamic canonical texts, then there is definitely something untoward going on. I decided to do a quick look-up of “untoward”, and it seems to fit Islamic teaching perfectly in a western context:

“difficult to guide, manage, or work with : unruly, intractable”

forest on April 11, 2008 at 10:49 AM

They have the intellect to use voice mail and e-mail, but not to operate a flag pole? Is Bill Clinton their spokes person?

PappaMac on April 11, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Someone needs to sue the ACLU for not suing this school.

BowHuntingTexas on April 11, 2008 at 10:52 AM

They should be watched and be advised that they are being watched.

DerKrieger on April 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM

TIZA ACADEMY A false portrayal

The above letter to the editor was written by SAMEH SHABANEH.

Who is Sameh Shabaneh?

“Sameh Shabaneh, a Minnesota engineer who gave Ellison $1,000 (€785), cited the candidate’s support for the environment, removing troops from Iraq, and preserving civil liberties.”

Interesting. I thought we were talking about poor Muslims who couldn’t afford private school.

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Finally broke out the flap pole owner’s manual huh? “Pull on rope until you can reach flag clips. Clip flag to rope. Pull rope till flag reaches top of pole. Tie off rope.”

Hog Wild on April 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM

May still be too difficult for foreigners to understand. Just tell them to use the same system they’re currently using to dry their freshly laundered burkas on the clothes line.

JiangxiDad on April 11, 2008 at 11:14 AM

More on Shabaneh

“Our January meeting will focus on Israel and Palestine–one of the world’s clearest examples of how only spiritual consciousness will be able to overcome entrenched thinking. We will see a selection of the video, “Peace, Propaganda, and Promised Land”, and then Sameh Shabaneh will share
his experiences and thoughts, with time for questions and discussion. Sameh is an American citizen born and raised in Palestine who has returned frequently and is one of the founders of the Al Aqsa Group, which is educating Americans about Palestine.”

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM

No one suggests that anything untoward happens at TIZA

I’m the second one after Darksean.

Geronimo on April 11, 2008 at 11:18 AM

I actually have no objection to this school, nor to its operating with public funds.

I just want to know when Minnesota will start funding Christian education, since state funding of sectarian schools is obviously now acceptable.

philwynk on April 11, 2008 at 11:20 AM

If enough fuss is made I’m sure they will raise a flag (subjected to many desecrations no doubt). In the end you will still have a cancerous Islamic tumor in your midst that raises a urine splashed flag to mollify the kaffirs temporarily.

BL@KBIRD on April 10, 2008 at 12:36 PM

Just thought this was an appropriate comment from yesterday, so I brought it on over.

samuelrylander on April 11, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Do whatever it takes to fool and pacify the stupid infidel.

labrat on April 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Great, they fly the flag outside, but what goes on inside is really the problem. Here’s the curriculum:

8:00-8:15 Footbath
8:15-8:30 Morning Prayer
8:30-9:30 Science-Explosives for a Successful Jihad
9:30-10:30 History-How the Jews lost the Seven Day War
10:30-10:45Mid Morning Prayer
10:45-11:00Fun Time: Assud the Jew Eating Rabbit
11:00-Noon Literature – The Qu’ran
Noon-1pm Phys. Ed – Swordsmanship
1:00-1:15 Afternoon Prayer
1:15-1:30 Shop Class – Shoebombing
1:30-2:30 Arts & Crafts – Rug & Burka Design
2:30-3:30 Guest Speaker: CAIR “How to Manipulate US Gov’t”

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 11, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Zaman and his attorney took pains to tell KSTP about all of the messages of hate and threats they have received since getting exposed by Katherine Kersten this week in the Star Tribune.

I’m tired of hearing this crap without any sort of quantification. If there are threats, then by Allah, get the FBI involved, and tell us all about them. No one of any import is going to condone that. If you can’t note the garbage thrown your way, as Michelle has frequently done, then just go away. Criticism is part of the bargain here, kids. If it’s gone over the line, then lay it out for us and you might get some sympathy. If you can’t do that, then STFU.

Pablo on April 11, 2008 at 12:04 PM

Let me see??? Football team has pre-game prayer, ACLU gets involved. Madrassa in MN has cleansing time, call to prayer, ACLU strangely silent. Maybe they should remove the AMERICAN from their name…

pueblo1032 on April 11, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Call it the CLUMs (Civil Liberties Union for Muslims)

macummings on April 11, 2008 at 12:44 PM

See?

Who says ya can’t teach a bad dog new tricks?

normsrevenge on April 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Sameh Shabaneh’s Letter to The StarTribune’s Editor (Tiza Academy: a false portrayal) stated:

‘Kersten quotes one parent as saying that “all students fast from dawn to dusk” during Ramadan. That is simply not true. My son does not fast during Ramadan, and my daughter tells me that the majority of her classmates also don’t fast.’

1.The Tiz Academy is a K-8 charter school.

2.In Islam, children under 12 are exempt from fasting, as lack of food could damage health.

Yep. Most of the students likely do not fast.

Next.

PRCS on April 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM

They thought the pole was to hang infidels by the neck.

Wade on April 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM

Let’s see these mesages of hate; I’m a bit skeptical.

Grafted on April 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Commie bastards!

madmonkphotog on April 11, 2008 at 1:49 PM

From Jihad Watch in March:

Islamic charter schools in Ohio

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I’m not sure but I think Ed just got a credit via Fox News.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 11, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Problem Solution. A Bulldozer

americaslaststand on April 11, 2008 at 2:52 PM

A bunch of patriots should show up in front of the school on Monday morning and sing the National Anthem while standing around the flagpole.

Zoltan on April 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM

“The article pointed out that the TIZA was originally intended to be a private school, which can endorse religion, but due to the fact that many of the 300 students are low-income Muslim immigrant families, those families could not afford a private school.”

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM

And this is where I do not want an over reaction, and a precedent set.

The free market will decide these things, IF we want School Choice and for kids to be able to succeed and get out of the failing inner city public school system maybe it would be best not to protest to much.

Chakra Hammer on April 11, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Was the flag upside down at first, the camera crew when in and said something, they flipped it, and then took the images?

I guess Obama would have been comfortable with this school until the flag was raised, at which point he’d pretend like it didn’t exist.

Anyone wonder why someone who hates this country so much, has virtually no experience after only two years in the US Senate, has been able to fight the Clinton machine this long?

Someone who hates this country so much, wants to change everything about it (implying it is broken now, silly private property rights!), and has no experience to get this far would usually get a lot of scrutiny – if he were running as a Republican.

Neo on April 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM

I was going to lend them my daughter. At her (private) school, the children are assigned to the task of raising and lowering the flag daily as part of their opening and closing.

kbanaian on April 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM

The problem with public expenditure is that bureaucrats and politicians can’t be trusted with it.

Because they do things like this.

Merovign on April 11, 2008 at 4:48 PM

I bet they used these directions I just found on the net.
InstructionsDifficulty: Easy
Things You’ll Need:
American Flags
Flagpole
Step 1:
Approach the flagpole with the folded flag.

Step 2:
Unfasten the halyard rope and, using the clips, attach the flag. Make sure the union (blue field with white stars) is at the top.

Step 3:
Raise the flag without letting it touch the ground. Keep the line tight.

Step 4:
Secure the halyard rope once the flag has reached the peak of the pole.

Step 5:
If the flag is to be flown at half-staff, first raise it all the way to the peak of the pole, then lower halfway and secure.

Geronimo on April 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM