Video: What moderate Muslims are up against

posted at 10:06 pm on April 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

I like to imagine this was airing while that Saudi blogger was putting the finishing touches on his anti-Fitna. Rarely will see you the logic of totalitarianism expressed so candidly. There are no Orwellian “black = white” rhetorical niceties here; he has a very good reason for wanting to prohibit free expression, so why mince words? The only thing missing is an acknowledgment of the threat it poses to his own power. Next episode, maybe.

I do love the sign-language guy in the corner, though. Click the image to watch.

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Kinda sounds like Al Gore ………

Meh……

Seven Percent Solution on April 10, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Islam: crushing the critical intelligence is a never-ending job.

profitsbeard on April 10, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Does Moderate mean non-practicing?

TheBigOldDog on April 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Does Moderate mean non-practicing?

TheBigOldDog on April 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Heh

SouthernGent on April 10, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Where’s a Hellfire when you need one?

irishspy on April 10, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Title of Video: Saudi Cleric Muhammad Al-Munajid Warns: Freedom of Speech Might Lead to Freedom of Belief

This is an inaccurate title.

After listening to that fella, in Arabic, the correct title should be:

Criticizing Islam Can Lead To Heresy.

We have to understand the culture.

Arab Muslims do not negotiate with those who criticize their religion.

For them, Islam is immaculate, untouchable, it is always correct.

The Qur’an -Islam’s holy book- is “descended” from Allah through Muhammad. Therefore there is nothing wrong with it.

You have to accept it as is.

Critical thinking in Islam is encouraged when it’s in the sphere of Islamic studies only, not for criticizing or denouncing the validity of the religion itself.

Indy Conservative on April 10, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Wait…did he just say that if you DON’T want to stone adulterers to death, you’re a barbarian?

Yeah, there’s not even an argument anymore. These people need to die. Anyone who believes that barbarism is not wanting to cut someone’s head off for not believing in your religion, needs to die. We need to kill them, quickly and efficiently. When they no longer have the logic of killing us once they get their hands on us, they can live. Until then, take them out one by one.

Peace only comes through war.

MadisonConservative on April 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Moderate Unicorns -

In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorn.

Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Koran condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Koran. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for
unicorns in the forest.
- HT: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM

What this clip tells me is that the door is now open. What we’re doing is working. Who knew the next “crusade” would be waged via the internet?

Connie on April 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM

That man has a teeny-tiny god.

29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM

I wish this kind of honest discussion on Islam would be aired in western media. It would immediately inform those who do not see the Muslim threat as real that they are ignoring reality

BryanS on April 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for
unicorns in the forest.
- HT: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Amen!

jerrytbg on April 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Not stoning adulterers is barbarism.

That’s golden. That’s good stuff there.

29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM

next “crusade” would be waged via the internet?

Connie on April 10, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent.
Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Interesting:

“A journalist,those lowlifes”

Meaning, Anti war protesters,University Professors
and woman’s rights groups are on the same
level as journalists who won’t have the
option of converting!

“It begins with Freedom of Thought”

“It continues with Freedom of Speech”

“It ends up with Freedom of Belief”

Correction,”It ends up with Heads coming Off”!

canopfor on April 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Imagine there’s no Islam
It’s hard but you can try
No suicide hijackers coming down at us
Above us only sky
Imagine all those people
Still alive today…

Imagine there’s no Islamic countries
It’s hard but you can try
No Mohammad for them to kill or die for
And no Imams too
Imagine all the Christians, Jews and Infidels
Living life without them…

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday even all the dhimmis will join us
And the non-Islamic world will be as one

Imagine no Burkhas, no head chopping and no stoning too
I wonder if you can
No need for Medina or Meca
A brotherhood of non-Islamic woman and man
Imagine all the people
Living without Shariha…

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday even all dhimmis will join us
And the non-Islamic world will be as one

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM

If muslims are so sure that their system is perfect, why do they get so upset when it’s challenged? Ahhh, must be something they know deep inside, something like “I don’t want people to find out our system is fake, because then the women will stop doing as we say, and we won’t be able to beat them, or marry children anymore.”

Tony737 on April 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM

I wonder what that sounds like in arabic?

jerrytbg on April 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Gutfeld, is that you?

Connie on April 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I like how he ends his treatise on hand-chopping with, “on the other hand…”

ConstantSorrow on April 10, 2008 at 10:59 PM

If muslims are so sure that their system is perfect, why do they get so upset when it’s challenged? Ahhh, must be something they know deep inside, something like “I don’t want people to find out our system is fake, because then the women will stop doing as we say, and we won’t be able to beat them, or marry children anymore.”

Tony737 on April 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Not really.

The Muslims are absolutely convinced that Islam cannot be wrong, Allah cannot make mistakes.

Nothing is more sacred than Islam.

The whole world is a Muslim world, and those who are not Muslims yet, should be.

These thoughts and many more convictions are transmitted from generations to generations of Muslims, since the very beginning, and inside the mother’s womb.

Before a child is born, he or she is already a Muslim.

Therefore those who renounce Islam are killed by the end of the day if they don’t return to Allah.

Indy Conservative on April 10, 2008 at 11:04 PM

This clown has a history of brilliant statements. According to him, the Boxing Day earthquake and tsunami in Indonesia was Allah’s punishment for celebrating Christmas. (Look for Muhammad Al-Munajjid)

Yep. All those thousands of Indonesian Muslims were crushed and drowned because Allah was shocked, shocked to discover they all had secret Christmas trees in their closets.

Yeesh.

irishspy on April 10, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Gutfeld, is that you?

Connie on April 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Probably not.

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM

So where does this lead us in Iraq and Afghanistan? Are our endeavors there hopeless? (Not asking you about Iraq, MB4. You’ve made your views plain in that regard.)

baldilocks on April 10, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Someone should play this over and over and over in congress.

dogsoldier on April 10, 2008 at 11:30 PM

The value of the Islamist’s speech is invaluable. They should be allowed to speak early and often.

This continuous nonsense about Islam and specifically, the Qur’an only being properly understood in Arabic is just that…nonsense.

As Robert Spencer deftly asks, ” If the Qur’an can only be properly understood in Arabic, then why do Muslims translate it into English?”

Islam is a vehicle for ARAB supremacy. It always has and it always will be. The black Africans in Darfur understand that all too well, albeit, far too late.

African American “reverts” in the US, blinded by their hatred of America and white people in general, have yet to fully understand that unfotunate reality.

awake on April 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM

MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Unicorns are the Safest Drivers

Connie on April 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Imagine…
MB4 on April 10,2008 at 10:52PM.

MB4: Me Likey what you have written,Outstanding!

Me also thinks your time has come,to be a guest
on Red Eye!, Me not jokeing!

canopfor on April 10, 2008 at 11:41 PM

I do love the sign-language guy in the corner, though.

Me too. Especially when he makes the choppety-off-the-hand sign.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:38 AM

I learned on Wikipedia last night that there was debate among Muslim scholars whether it was a “sin” for a man to touch his own privates. Being raised an evangelical Christian, I had heard a lot of accusations about my faith being out of date and too strict for the times. But who could have guessed that a current, world wide religion would condemn touching your own body? Islam is a slavish cult.

And to think of all the hip college students in this country who find it edgy to embrace their Muslim counterparts. I wonder if liberal young people even know how to read.

leftnomore on April 11, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Another thing that is, so to speak, “rich”, is how this fat prelate sits with his crisp linen in an air-conditioned studio, having attained said fatness by his lying and flattering words to a petroleum-based society, that grows wealthy without working, and then arrogantly speaks of “ignorant… lowlifes” that in all likelihood resemble his grandfather.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:42 AM

leftnomore on April 11, 2008 at 12:40 AM

On one episode of the Simpsons, Ned Flanders has swimtrunks on in the bath, so he won’t accidentally touch them too.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:43 AM

The black Africans in Darfur understand that all too well, albeit, far too late.

African American “reverts” in the US, blinded by their hatred of America and white people in general, have yet to fully understand that unfotunate reality.

awake on April 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM

+1

baldilocks on April 11, 2008 at 12:46 AM

That man has a teeny-tiny god.

29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM

And if he doesn’t stop touching it, he’ll go blind.

techno_barbarian on April 11, 2008 at 12:52 AM

Wow. Just wow.

Clark1 on April 11, 2008 at 12:54 AM

ROFL!

That guy is too much…two-three much, even!

flipflop on April 11, 2008 at 6:24 AM

Does Moderate mean non-practicing?

TheBigOldDog on April 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Moderate means they will find someone else to do the killing for them, while invoking taqiyya and saying they know nothing about it.

fourstringfuror on April 11, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Well, in fairness, he does have a point. If they start to let people think for themselves, it’s unlikely that they’ll conclude that Islamic fundamentalism is really the way to go.

One might even paraphrase his entire discourse as “My beliefs cannot withstand rational scrutiny; accordingly, such scrutiny must be forbidden in order to allow those beliefs to flourish.”

morganfrost on April 11, 2008 at 10:17 AM