Video: Muslim blogger makes his own version of “Fitna” — about Christianity
posted at 2:25 pm on April 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I’m not sure what his point is, ultimately — that the Bible is just as pernicious an influence as the Koran (per the opening text) or that it’s silly to link atrocities to passages from scripture (per the closing). Doesn’t matter: This comes from a region where Hitler’s crimes are simultaneously minimized via Holocaust denial and used as a byword for unconscionable evil via the constant comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany. Logical contradictions never bothered them before. Why should this?
There are countless angles of attack here, starting with scale, the lack of any New Testament in Islam repudiating the more fire-and-brimstone parts, and the vastly more tenuous link between U.S. foreign policy and Christianity than jihadist policy and the Koran. My preferred angle, though? The fact that our auteur hails not from Dubai or some comparatively moderate Islamic nation but from the most repressive state in the region — which, coincidentally, is also the one that applies the Koran most comprehensively and in its “purest” form. Yeah, that one.
Update: This is a video about Christianity, not the United States, so the basic point (such as it is) still applies, but the troops you see beating Iraqis near the beginning of the clip aren’t Americans. They’re Brits.
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One slight difference being that we stopped beheading somewhere around two hundred years ago.
Martin on April 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM
As Robert Spencer has often noted, the problem for Muslim apologists who attack the New Testament is that there are no Christian leaders calling for murder and subjugation of non-Christians, and certainly not based on biblical passages. Violent passages in the Jewish and Christian Bibles described one-time events, and were never understood or interpreted as being eternal or even contemporary directives.
aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM
As a Christian I demand this blasphemer be made an example of and harshly punished in the Lutheran tradition of a very stern, disapproving look… followed by a serving Jello with fruit and marshmallows in it.
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Silly Muslim. Violence is for the Qur’an!!!!
There are stories of violence in the bible, but unlike the qur’an, no commands to annihilate those who dont agree
blatantblue on April 10, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Exactly. The most violent passages are considered mere history books, not examples to follow. That and the New Testament are the biggest differences.
A couple thousand years ago a film like this might have made sense.
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Exactly. Granted, Christianity has had violence in it’s past, but that’s just it…it’s in the past.
The Pope has been more than forthcoming about minding relations with Islam, but seems they don’t want any part of that.
JetBoy on April 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Get out of my head! ;-)
JetBoy on April 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Problems of scale.
Problems of scholarly interpretation.
Problems of philosophy.
All KINDS of logical problems.
People of all stripes have a brutal streak, but where Christianity suppresses, Islam condones and goads onward.
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Everybody with a YT account: Please Flag this video as “promoting violence”.
Let’s do them what they do to us all the time.
Aristotle on April 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Israel was a theocracy, so when God prescribed violence, it was either as Commander of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or as the presiding judge in a criminal case.
There are no legitimate theocracies today.
jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Or they’re celebrated as a model to emulate.
aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Excellent response. We have Ten Commandments in Christianity, among them: Thou Shalt Not Kill. Can’t watch the video right now, but I’m assuming this guy left that part out.
amerpundit on April 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Highly nuanced.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM
ridiculous.
surrounded on April 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM
No Hollowpoint. We’re doing this the Baptist way. That’s the only punishment strong enough for this infidel.
We going to force him to sit through an hour of a flannelgraph version of Jesus feeding the 5,000 in Sunday School and then he is going to feel awkward through out our worship service because he will never know when to stand up and when to sit down during what song.
Honestly, the blogger just set himself up to be disproved. Let’s wait and see how many times Christians call for his death and hold massive protest. I’ll start counting.
1, 2, 3, 4…
wardrobedoor on April 10, 2008 at 2:41 PM
I say leave it up and running. Again to show the difference between us and them. As a Christian, I’m not threatened by this video. It shows once again, the huge difference between modern day followers of Christ and modern day followers of Muhammed.
wardrobedoor on April 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Its silly to point to Old Testament violence. Those commands were for the Hebrews to destroy certain kingdoms. So unless you time travel back then to those places, you’re safe. And I didn’t see a ton from the New Testament (the more relevant text) anyway.
AbaddonsReign on April 10, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 2:32 PM
LOL
Torch on April 10, 2008 at 2:45 PM
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT CHRISTIANITY!
Tony737 on April 10, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Beat you by two minutes. :)
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Honestly, I found the woman and children quite disturbing. The rest of it is absurd.
ihasurnominashun on April 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Is there even a Christian version of a fatwa?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM
If the time ever comes that I decide to stop bathing, quit shaving, hold women in contempt, desire to live amongst rubble, strap bombs on children, and slaughter those who don’t agree with me – I just might concern myself with this bloggers “version” of Fitna.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Perhaps I’m being overly picky, but the British troops (you can tell by the rifles they carry, LBE, helmet shape, and camo pattern) that are kicking insurgents are pretty much subjects of an Islamic state now themselves, aren’t they?
Bob Owens on April 10, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Then, we’ll offer him stale bits of crackers and a shot of grape juice.
That’ll teach him!
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 2:49 PM
From the Spiegel article:
The problem for Al-Saeed is that the people citing the Koran to justify violence aren’t Christians or Jews or other Westerners. They are respected imams and other Islamic scholars leaders, who cite the Koran in context and who vociferously reject the idea that jihad is merely a personal struggle. In effect what he is trying to get you to swallow is the idea that the mainstream leaders of Islam don’t know their own scriptures and are misrepresenting their religion.
aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 2:50 PM
109845, 109846, 109847, 109848…
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Bookie, I’d like to wager my many authors against their one. What kind of odds will give me?
gabriel sutherland on April 10, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Yes, we decide not to entertain ourselves at your theme parks and movie theatres any more, no matter how much you scream for mercy.
NellE on April 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Finally! Go get those Lamenites (because there like Lame).
Agrippa2k on April 10, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Free speech. Fine with me, let’s debate, Mr. Muslim…what, you don’t want to debate? You kill me if I say Islam is violent? Hypocrite.
JustTruth101 on April 10, 2008 at 2:56 PM
We give you the silence treatment. As in, you know, we don’t talk to you for a while. Or we start a boycott.
amerpundit on April 10, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Yawn.
TooTall on April 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
I believe those scenes of the children are taken from the film Jesus Camp, which was produced to show a now closed children’s camp that encouraged students to engage in spiritual warfare. So, when a group of children speak of going to war, they are doing so on a spiritual level against Satan himself.
PowerofHeaven on April 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
The New Testament did not repudiate the Old. It fulfilled it.
And if you wondering about the so-called violent passages in the Old Testament, remember this: if you’re not a part of the “Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites” then it doesn’t apply to you. It’s exclusive and extremely particular.
In Islam, violence and persecution is mandated for the kufar, or non-Muslim. That’s inclusive and basically unbounded; it could mean pagan, Christian, Jew or even the “wrong” sect of Muslim (Sunni if you’re Shi’a and vice versa).
spmat on April 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM
I’m all for a crusade.
Onager on April 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM
I would go one further. We have TWO commandments. Love the Lord God and thy neighbor as thyself.
thomashton on April 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Some brits beating some people and clips of Jesus Camp? That’s some pretty weak sauce there. Yeah beating some people is just like driving a truck bomb into a market and blowing up hundreds of people, over and over again.
lolz
Dr. Manhattan on April 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Notes while watching:
Who determined all of the soldiers were Christian?
The little girl, at about 3 minutes in, nailed it when she distinguished between the physical and, presumably, the spiritual. While that should set the tone, it apparently doesn’t and the spin just keeps going…
This is a comedy, right?
These muslims ought to be pretty darn happy these ain’t Old Testament times!
Aha! I see, Reed ol’Seed! It’s an April Fools’ Day joke! (Six minutes in.)
Had me going there for a minute.
BNCurtis on April 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM
At the risk of diverging into a religious debate, I note that the New Testament didn’t fulfill the Old Testament … because the Hebrew Bible stands on its own.
aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM
Awesome sound effects at the end :)
myamphibian on April 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Maybe it was an April fools joke.
ballz2wallz on April 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM
I think someone listened to “Onward Christian Soldiers” and took it a little too literally.
Although, that hymn could be adapted for Islam. Tell me what you think.
“Onward mujahideen
marching to the meet al-Mahdi.
With the sword of Allah,
We’re gonna separate heads from bodies.”
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM
Seconded. These people make me laugh they are so pathetic. I didn’t happen to see any Christian beheadings, were those left out for mainstream consumer purposes?
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Luke 24:44 – And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Acts of terror by Islamic groups involving death or injury since 9/11: What, 10,000? 11,000?
Acts of terror by Christian groups involving death or injury since 9/11: ummm… errr… ahhhh….
Equivocation is a four-letter word where I come from.
Merovign on April 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Thats exactly right. The Koran’s version of that is…thou shalt not kill…other muslims…If your not a muslim your an infidel…Therefore it is perfectly ok if you are killed (especially if it furthers islam)
SoCalInfidel on April 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM
You cannot deny that the Bible is as full of violent shit as the Koran.
But hey – both “books” are the result of the world’s largest game of broken telephone at a time when people could barely keep themselves from killing each other, so you gotta take either with a truckload of salt. Everybody treats the Bible and the Koran like a salad bar anyways, picking and choosing what is to be followed or ignored, so the whole thing is pretty ridiculous.
Dave Rywall on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
What a lame comparison this film is.
What I get out of it is that US troops kick the crap out of terrorists when they catch them, and terrorists saw of the heads of their captors after torturing them. So much for the followers of Mohammad deserving anything less than their butts trashed from 1099 to 2008 and beyond. Live in your own filth, Islam, and stop trying to spread your violent and twisted cult. Maybe then you’ll stop getting your arses kicked.
Hening on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Done.
Virus-X on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Wrecker!!!! Where’s the bratwurst and kraut!!!
ScottG on April 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
They were British.
Virus-X on April 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
The Muslim that did this video left this out:
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34-35
Hening on April 10, 2008 at 3:23 PM
One slight difference being that we stopped beheading somewhere around two hundred years ago.
Martin
Or, if you’re French and the French can be considered part of the Christian world, then the last dude to be head chopped was in 1977 if Wiki is to be believed.
Krydor on April 10, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Off with his head!!
exhelodrvr on April 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Which New Testament repudiates the fire-and-brimstone parts in Christianity? No such thing occurs. The many of the OT laws simply don’t apply to us anymore because the old state of Israel is gone.
Darth Executor on April 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Sorry…..the uniforms looked different but the guy getting excited sounded American.
Hening on April 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Total ignorance. Unfortunately, this is what most Muslims are taught. For them it is “truth”. A few points:
1) The current war is NOT a Christian thing. America and her allies are NOT Christian nations fighting in the name of any god. However, the enemies that the Americans are fighting are doing everything in the the name of their god Allah.
2) Old Testament history is indeed filled with violence. But it is history, not current commands. In fact the Bible teaches to love one’s enemies. If you preach Christianity and are rejected, you leave. You do NOT kill them or force them.
3) The New Testament uses war as a metaphor for spiritual battles, which is what is going on with the kids (plus some unrelated martial arts crap). Christians take up the “sword of the spirit” and wear the “helmet of salvation”, etc. Not real tools of real war. This was a great analogy for the first century. There is NO controversy within any part of mainstream Christianity about this. It is CLEAR. You are to love you enemies, not kill them.
Seabecker on April 10, 2008 at 3:28 PM
I find the muslim’s attempt about moral equivalance ridiculous, because in fact Christians and Jews ignore the violent verses in the Bible far to point of erasing them. Instead, we in the West should listen to Bible verses with which the muslim starts his film. They grant us permission to do what is necessary with rabid enemies. Can not Christians and Jews consider the more violent Bible verses in our hours of deepest peril? Must these verses in the Bible be written off as totally worthless? I will not do so.
As an atheist and a gay man, my greatest fear in life is not Christian aggression, but Christian pacifism. I urge Christians and Jews to consider these verses as an antidote to pacifism.
thuja on April 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM
It doesn’t matter if the troops were American or British, we nor can the producer of the film prove that they were Christians.(Isn’t that what the film is about?)
Chakra Hammer on April 10, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I think the main point in that scripture is clearly revealed at the end – concerning me
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Maybe they were Agnostic troops, or Atheist troops, or even Muslim troops.. we do not fight as a religion.
Chakra Hammer on April 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM
But thats exactly how many members of the Muslim faith,in the Middle East, view westerners, as Christians
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 3:35 PM
The woman and kids were referring to “spiritual war” i.e. prayer. It is evident in the interview with the first young girl. While adding the war footage afterwards makes good propaganda it also distorts the truth.
Leonard210 on April 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Technically it’s the New Covenant that does that, not the New Testament.
But either way it doesn’t really matter. Bible, Shmible; Koran, Shmoran…
The difference between Islam and Christianity is the difference between Muhammad and Jesus. And that’s literally bigger than the difference between night and day.
logis on April 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM
AP,
You need to update the link. You Tube pulled the first one. Here’s the new link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpiccERJaFk
John on April 10, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Ummm … my point was that the Hebrew Bible stands on its own. Citing the New Testament in response is like a Muslim citing the Koran to prove that Moses and Jesus prophecied about Muhammad. Or a Mormon citing the BoM to prove that Joseph Smith was prophecied in the Bible.
My point remains … the Hebrew Bible stands on its own and does not need the New Testament or any other scripture to “fulfill” it.
aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 3:45 PM
United States
Protestant 51.3%
Roman Catholic 23.9%
Mormon 1.7%
other Christian 1.6%
Jewish 1.7%
Buddhist 0.7%
Muslim 0.6%
other or unspecified 2.5%
unaffiliated 12.1%
none 4% (2007 est.)
United Kingdom
Christian (Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 71.6%
Muslim 2.7%
Hindu 1%
other 1.6%
unspecified or none 23.1% (2001 census)
———————-
Chakra Hammer on April 10, 2008 at 3:46 PM
So where are we meeting up for the protest rally, stoning, and barbecue?
After we kill a few thousands Muslims to please Jesus, we can play croquet. I’m bringing green bean casserole.
Professor Blather on April 10, 2008 at 3:49 PM
As I can’t see the video at this moment. I have actually seen the original and if I remember right, the reason the British Troops were kicking their butts was because they were throwing rocks at the British Troops and it hit one troop in the head (who wasn’t wearing a helmet) and knocked him out cold.
Don’t forget the pork ribs!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2122.html
Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
LOL!!!!!!!!
Chakra Hammer on April 10, 2008 at 3:56 PM
So I just checked ROP.com:
And I notice that there have now been almost 11,000 – that’s ELEVEN THOUSAND – Islamic terror attacks just since 9/11.
How many terrorist attacks carried out by radical Presbyterians and Methodists?
Anybody gotta a link on that? I’m assuming its pretty close. Since, you know, they’re morally equivalent and all.
Professor Blather on April 10, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Um, spmat’s point, to which YOU referred, concerns the Christian belief that the Old Testament Scripture pointed to Jesus Christ, and was, therefore, fulfilled when Jesus Christ died on the cross, and was resurrected. The New Testament Scripture that I quoted [Luke 24:44] quotes Jesus Christ concerning the FULFILLMENT of the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms [Old Testament Scripture] in Him. If you are not a Christian, then it is your prerogative to deny Luke 24:44. If you are a Christian, it is not.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM
But you believe that don’t you AP?
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM
I guess the maker of the video doesn’t know the difference between making “war” with falsehood and making actual war. The kids in his video, it seemed to me, were making a metaphor whereas you have those videos of the Palestinian children truly acting like suicide bombers saying they’ll behead Jews.
As a Christian I don’t see the point of his video at all. Also, don’t Muslims see the Bible as part of their own scripture?
OneGyT on April 10, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Exactly.
But Christian posters shouldn’t get all freaked out about that statement. You are free to disagree. As are us Jews. What Jews won’t do is hunt you down, behead you, and scream “ULULULULULULUUULULU!!!! and Allahu Akbar!!!” when you’re dead. Like muslims would.
Andy in Agoura Hills on April 10, 2008 at 4:07 PM
No, no, flag as spam. Those often get deleted without review if enough votes have accumulated.
GermanAtheist on April 10, 2008 at 4:09 PM
I must have missed the AK-47s and dynamite belts on the kids or does that come later?
jerseyman on April 10, 2008 at 4:12 PM
His attempt to equalize will fall short when the blogger isn’t threatened with his life.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Uh…non. At least not since the Revolution.
John on April 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM
disclaimer: No one other than terrorists will be harmed because the production of this video. If they do we will kick there behinds.***
tomas on April 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Ya’ll can say all you want but some of that stuff is pretty messed up, as are the quotes from the Old Testament. Even if your argument is that he New Testament fixes this then what about the Jewish religion? Now saying that America is fighting on behalf of Christianity is a bunch of malarky but it doesn’t help when people are out claiming that this is a war between Islamofacism and Western Christiandom (yes some say that). Oh well, all religions are flawed and Islam is one of the most flawed. Pointing out flaws in other religions doesn’t make Fitna any less correct.
libertytexan on April 10, 2008 at 4:26 PM
What’s to say about it? His point that Wilders took something out of content is lost because Muslims take other passages out of context all the time in an attempt to prove that Islam is peaceful. Christ taught peace. Muhammad taught war theory. Everything Christ was, Muhammad was not.
The message of the Bible taken as a whole is to live a common sense life with Christ as a role model, and that because we have free will, we have the ability to accept Christ or reject him. What is the message of the Qur’an taken as a whole? In one place it says there is no compulsion, but in another everyone was really born Muslim and that those who reject Islam must be killed or taxed. The Bible represents reasoned thought. There are no mixed messages. The Qur’an is a jumble of mixed messages, some of which appear rational until you read the others. The Qur’an represents the mind of Muhammad.
The clip’s point is lost because Muhammad himself was not peaceful. He used his understanding of Judaism and Christianity to twist scripture to suit his own purposes and the entire ideology is based on his perversion of what went before. An entire religion based on the ideas of a pathological barbarian. Think about it.
Christianity is based on the life of a good and righteous man. Islam is not. No matter how hard anti-Christians have tried to bring down Jesus Christ, they haven’t been able to do so, as He remains the example of the perfect. Muhammad can’t compete and his life cannot stand up to the scrutiny that has been given Jesus. No matter if handfuls of Christians have acted badly in His name, the universal message of Christ remains the same.
Connie on April 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM
True to an extent, but not relevant. The main point I was making was that the New Testament did not “repudiate” or abrogate the Old Testament. The two are not contra to one another. The New is a decoder book of sorts for the Old; it reveals the many mysteries outlined by the “Law and the Prophets.”
spmat on April 10, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I was waiting for the videos of the retarded Christian children strapping on bombs and taking out civilians in Mecca.
Think_b4_speaking on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
I didn’t actually watch the video, and I’m not actually a Christian. Still, I assume that the video was deeply offensive to Christians, and that, as a direct result, Christian outrage and demands for blood will be shrieked through the streets of the Bible Belt; that fundamentalist Baptist ministers will promise paradise to whichever of their followers beheads the guy who made this video, and that outraged representatives of Christian nations will appear at the UN to demand that freedom of speech be curtailed to ensure that the religious beliefs of Christians are respected.
morganfrost on April 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM
What a tool, where are the desecrated bodies? where are the gays being hung from cranes? where are the beheadings?, oh oh yeah I forgot that would be the Muslims that do that.. I got and gave worse beatings in the schoolyard at recess.. give me a break.
Viper1 on April 10, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Well I think he proved who religion is superior. The NYT put up more offensive stuff then this everyday. Did any Christians called for his death? No. Did any Christians go Ape sh*t about this video? No.
Islamic is childish religion. It has no self control.
jdun on April 10, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Okay…any minute now the people of the Vatican will start rioting and burning flags calling for the beheading of apostates. I will also expect to see armies of Christian protesters in the streets demanding an end to freedom of speech and take over the world…
Yup..any minute now….any minute now……
bentman78 on April 10, 2008 at 4:49 PM
The NT does not repudiate ANY “fire-and-brimstone” parts. In fact it reiterates them when the writers speak of God’s impending punishment for wicked men.
God did not tell the Israelites to conquer anything except the land he gave them (from the river Euphrates to the Red Sea). He did tell them to utterly destroy every nation in that zone – for a good reason. And since they didn’t actually carry that out, they paid dearly. God warned that the Canaanites would corrupt them with their idols, and he was 100% correct.
Hendo on April 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Don’t they already do this in Hollywierd?
Harpoon on April 10, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Agree.
Connie on April 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM
I’m surpirsed to learn they have the internets in the Land of Saud. Otherwise that was an epic fail.
VolMagic on April 10, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Uh…non. At least not since the Revolution.
John
Ah, so the French are Atheists? They aren’t predominantly Roman Catholic? They are a Christian nation in the same manner the USA is a Christian nation. Yes, there is a double meaning to that.
They were beheading people prior to the Revolution, kept doing after all the subsequent revolutions up until 30 years ago.
Krydor on April 10, 2008 at 5:07 PM
The lady in that film was out of her mind. Someone needs to put a stop to what she is doing to those poor kids.
Now I’m off to start a bloody riot in the streets. Just got to finish up this “Behead Those Who Insult Christianity” sign and I’m out of here.
Zetterson on April 10, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Oh, it is a traditional rite in Christian churches to line up bullets into the shape of a cross? Who knew?
I guess that is what is called artistic license from a Micheal Moore wannabe.
onlineanalyst on April 10, 2008 at 5:10 PM
I understand your basic point here, but I think even without the New Testament, there would be a difference. The “fire and brimstone” passages in the OT are all about God’s judgment on the Israelites due to their own unfaithfulness and usually comes at the hands of foreign occupiers. The Koran, on the other hand, is urging the faithful to visit judgment on other nations. In other words, the message to the faithful of the OT is “we have suffered for our sins” while the message of the Koran is “we will make you suffer for your sins.” Even without the grace of the NT, this is a major difference in perspective.
JackOfClubs on April 10, 2008 at 5:13 PM
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