Video: Muslim blogger makes his own version of “Fitna” — about Christianity

posted at 2:25 pm on April 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

I’m not sure what his point is, ultimately — that the Bible is just as pernicious an influence as the Koran (per the opening text) or that it’s silly to link atrocities to passages from scripture (per the closing). Doesn’t matter: This comes from a region where Hitler’s crimes are simultaneously minimized via Holocaust denial and used as a byword for unconscionable evil via the constant comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany. Logical contradictions never bothered them before. Why should this?

There are countless angles of attack here, starting with scale, the lack of any New Testament in Islam repudiating the more fire-and-brimstone parts, and the vastly more tenuous link between U.S. foreign policy and Christianity than jihadist policy and the Koran. My preferred angle, though? The fact that our auteur hails not from Dubai or some comparatively moderate Islamic nation but from the most repressive state in the region — which, coincidentally, is also the one that applies the Koran most comprehensively and in its “purest” form. Yeah, that one.

Update: This is a video about Christianity, not the United States, so the basic point (such as it is) still applies, but the troops you see beating Iraqis near the beginning of the clip aren’t Americans. They’re Brits.


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Here’s the thing…

In the “Christian” video, nobody has their head cut off for not believing in the right religion.

Find a “Christian” video like that, and maybe we have a debate.

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Now… find any nation’s law enforcement or military that never gets into a fight with someone resisting authority and/or arrest, and maybe we have a debate.

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In the end, all this shows is the restraint shown by the soldiers in not just shooting the guy and having done with that.

Show me that kind of restrain in a “Muslim” video, and maybe we have a debate.

Lawrence on April 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM

So, will Jeremiah Wright be playing this on the jumbotron at the Trinity United Church of Christ?

Kafir on April 10, 2008 at 5:42 PM

As a Christian I demand this blasphemer be made an example of and harshly punished in the Lutheran tradition of a very stern, disapproving look… followed by a serving Jello with fruit and marshmallows in it.

Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 2:32 PM

We’re doing this the Baptist way. That’s the only punishment strong enough for this infidel.

We going to force him to sit through an hour of a flannelgraph version of Jesus feeding the 5,000 in Sunday School and then he is going to feel awkward through out our worship service because he will never know when to stand up and when to sit down during what song.

wardrobedoor on April 10, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I vote for the Orthodox method: 2 1/2 hours of forced standing in a cold church, at midnight, singing songs in a language no one even speaks anymore. Then, when all is done, lots of ham and “a vodka for every tooth in your head!”

HerrMorgenholz on April 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM

The violent old testament verses where God commands Joshua to wipe out entire cites of the sons of Raphaim and Anak were there, because those cities were full of NEPHIMIM half human/half fallen angel giants. They ruled the earth before the Flood. After the flood 10% of the fallen angels were allowed to stay on earth(the rest were imprisoned in tartarus below the earth)they came back, bred with more humans and tried to inhabit and dominate the Holy Land.
The Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years because they were afraid to face them as God commanded them to.
God commanded Joshua to wipe out the serpent seed/Nephilim completely.

The Bible talks about how the fallen angels will be released from tartarus in the end days.

Surprisingly enough the Shia muslims believe that their Mahdi will be released from below the earth in the end days, he will rule the earth along with the muslim Jesus and convert the whole earth to islam by the sword.

SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I meant Nephilim not nephimim. oops.

SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Point 1. The guy that posted this is from Saudi Arabia. Frankly, who cares what anyone from Saudi Arabia thinks. See when they stop cutting people’s heads off? Then maybe I’ll give a shit.

Point 2. The soldiers beating up the Iraqi kids (who may well have deserved it- and note how the Iraqi kids’ heads never left their bodies at any stage) were British. In Britain hardly anyone goes to church. It is widely believed that in a few years mosque attendance will outstrip church attendance. If you said to any of the liberal-left establishment that Britain is a Christian country they would immediately howl you down that no, it isn’t, it is a secular state. The clear drift of all legislation from the UK government is away from Christian values (gay marriages, human-animal hybrid embryos, and so on). So why, when the UK is so clearly as far away from Christianity as it has ever been, does Christianity suddenly get the blame for the behaviour of British soldiers??

schiehallion on April 10, 2008 at 6:16 PM

His attempt to equalize will fall short when the blogger isn’t threatened with his life.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM

In other news today, Pope Benedict threw out the first pitch at the Royals-Diamondbacks Game. When asked why he did so, he said, “Well, I got real tired of issuing all those decrees for Muslims to be killed for desecrating Bethlehem, and attacking my Flock all throughout the world, you know. I wanted to chill a bit, yo….”

dmh0667 on April 10, 2008 at 6:35 PM

The big difference between Fitna and this silly bigoted propaganda from our enemy, Saudi Arabia, is that Christians couldn’t care less what the idiot Muslims do, won’t threaten anyone over it, won’t kill anyone, won’t riot in the streets, won’t burn any buildings down, etc. That’s because Christianity is a civilized religion, like the rest of the major religions, except for Islam, which is the religion of murderous barbarians.

Tantor on April 10, 2008 at 6:40 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on April 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM
If you are not a Christian, then it is your prerogative to deny Luke 24:44.

I am not a Christian. It’s not a matter of accepting or denying the author of Luke. It’s a matter of accepting God’s word when He says that the Hebrew Bible is eternal. If it’s eternal, then it cannot be “fulfilled”.

aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Even if your argument is that he New Testament fixes this then what about the Jewish religion?
libertytexan on April 10, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Please list the instances in the past 2000 years in which Jews have attacked unarmed non-Jews because of their non-belief. Please list the instances in which Jews have cited the Hebrew Bible to support unprovoked violence against civilian Gentiles.

This should take you about .0000000000000000000001 second.

aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM

The main point I was making was that the New Testament did not “repudiate” or abrogate the Old Testament. The two are not contra to one another. The New is a decoder book of sorts for the Old; it reveals the many mysteries outlined by the “Law and the Prophets.”

spmat on April 10, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The Koran and the BoM also claim to reveal many of the mysteries outlined in the Law and Prophets. That doesn’t make their revelations concerning the HB authoritative.

aunursa on April 10, 2008 at 7:08 PM

Frankly, I could care less. Christians didn’t fly planes into the twin towers, they don’t kidnap foreigners with the intent of making them convert in order to be released, and they don’t plead “please God, kill them all, don’t leave even one of them.” Christian leaders of Christian countries don’t threaten to wipe other countries off the map, either. Imatotalslob doesn’t threaten, some insist? Those are veiled threats coming from somebody that I believe took Americans hostage some years back. I trust him no more than the homosexuals in his own country.

freedom_nut on April 10, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Well, at least he’s making a movie and not a bomb.

Progress.

PattyJ on April 10, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Well, at least he’s making a movie and not a bomb.
Progress.
PattyJ on April 10, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Yeah but watch out for unusual shaped DVD’s.

Aunursa,

I would encourage you to at least read the New Testament in order to know what you are refuting. Besides the fact that there are over 300 prophecies from your Bible fulfilled in Jesus Christ, I would highly recommend you read the Book of Revelations at the minimum.

SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM

My response to the igmorant person who made the above video.

First if you are going to qoute scripture 1) Be precise in location..is that I samuel Or II Samuel? (It is First Samuel 15:3. 2) Quote it in context as I do now –

1Sa 15:2
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1Sa 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

God was telling King Saul to take his people and pay back the Amalakites for having attacked them (the Israelites first)..Kind of sounds like Israel and palestine today doesn’t it?

Nu 31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Nu 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

De 20:16
But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

preceeded by

De 20:10
¶ When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
De 20:11
And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
NO CONVERSION or Killing if they answer peaceably Here, just tribute..more like the Mafia than terrorists!
De 20:12
And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

And imagine this:
De 20:19
When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man’s life) to employ them in the siege:
De 20:20
Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

GOD is at least partially an environmentalist…tress that were for food were not to be used in war!

RedLizard64 on April 10, 2008 at 7:56 PM

As disturbing as the woman with the children is, I’d like to point out two things: First, she’s only one example. I can go to memritv.org and get dozens if not hundreds. Second, anybody else notice where she gets her inspiration (aside from Jesus)? That’s right, Islam. She even says she wants her kids to fight for Jesus the way the Palestinian kids fight and die for Allah. So, I guess if the Muslims weren’t setting the example, this woman would be just another fruitcake without a following.

Kafir on April 10, 2008 at 8:42 PM

I’m going to burn a Koran in protest!

Or something…

profitsbeard on April 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Various claims of God being brutal per the Old Testament are addressed here. Just use the topic index or keyword search.

aikidoka on April 10, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Kafir on April 10, 2008 at 8:42 PM

My thoughts as well. Plus, even the litte girl said her “war” was not physical, but spiritual. I agree though, that lady lays “war” on a bit thick with kids. They don’t know the difference.

p40tiger on April 10, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Well, at least he’s making a movie and not a bomb.

Progress.

PattyJ on April 10, 2008 at 7:34 PM

“Inner spirtual struggle.”

dentalque on April 10, 2008 at 10:09 PM

The end undercuts the body. The main part of the film says is a tu quoque: “we are bad, but so are you”. But the end subverts that and is, so to speak, a neque ego neque tu: “we’re not bad [because of our bad book] and neither are you [because of yours]“.

Tzetzes on April 10, 2008 at 11:58 PM

I would highly recommend you read the Book of Revelations at the minimum.

SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Why am I not surprised that our resident saint advises someone “if you only read one book from the Bible, read the Apocalypse”?

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM

The violent old testament verses where God commands Joshua to wipe out entire cites of the sons of Raphaim and Anak were there, because those cities were full of NEPHI[L]IM half human/half fallen angel giants. They ruled the earth before the Flood. After the flood 10% of the fallen angels were allowed to stay on earth(the rest were imprisoned in tartarus below the earth)they came back, bred with more humans and tried to inhabit and dominate the Holy Land.
The Israelites wandered in the desert for 40 years because they were afraid to face them as God commanded them to.
God commanded Joshua to wipe out the serpent seed/Nephilim completely.

The Bible talks about how the fallen angels will be released from tartarus in the end days.

Surprisingly enough the Shia muslims believe that their Mahdi will be released from below the earth in the end days, he will rule the earth along with the muslim Jesus and convert the whole earth to islam by the sword.

SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM

This is not the first time young Olaf has proposed some, let us say “unorthodox”, biblical archaeology…

The native Americans were descendants of Shem and some possibly of Japheth.

The people of india, even in some of their ancient books date their ancestory back to Shem.

SaintOlaf on April 6, 2008 at 3:02 AM

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:05 AM

And if you wondering about the so-called violent passages in the Old Testament, remember this: if you’re not a part of the “Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites” then it doesn’t apply to you. It’s exclusive and extremely particular.

spmat on April 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM

First they came for the Jebusites
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jebusite.
Then they came for the Hivites
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Hivite.
Then they came for the Perizzites
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Perizzite.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM

I believe those scenes of the children are taken from the film Jesus Camp, which was produced to show a now closed children’s camp that encouraged students to engage in spiritual warfare. So, when a group of children speak of going to war, they are doing so on a spiritual level against Satan himself.

PowerofHeaven on April 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Exactly. That looniness in Jesus Camp may be a long, long ways away from my kind of Christianity, but it’s even further way from the lust after martyrdom inculcated upon the young minds of so many Moslems. The show is a freaky one, but even the little girl herself clearly distinguishes her kind of warriorhood with that done in the flesh.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:19 AM

I believe those scenes of the children are taken from the film Jesus Camp, which was produced to show a now closed children’s camp that encouraged students to engage in spiritual warfare. So, when a group of children speak of going to war, they are doing so on a spiritual level against Satan himself.

PowerofHeaven on April 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Exactly. That looniness in Jesus Camp may be a long, long ways away from my kind of Christianity, but it’s even further way from the lust after martyrdom inculcated upon the young minds of so many Moslems. The show is a freaky one, but even the little girl herself clearly distinguishes her kind of warriorhood with that done in the flesh.

Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Precisely. They were referring to a spiritual war against Satan…NOT a physical war. Apparently that’s the this guy can do. There is simply no comparison between the two religions and his lame attempt to show otherwise is just that – lame.

Livefreeordie on April 11, 2008 at 12:50 AM

This was probably the worst attempt at a come back as Ive ever seen. You can pick any text and chose one or two lines out of it to make your point but the thing is, that Christianity today does not conform to barbaric actions as Islam does today. No matter how they want to slice it up.

You just dont see Christians or any other group that I know of, go around and cut peoples heads, stone them to death, or the countless suicide bombings of innocent men, women and children.

Even in the clip at the very beginning, you dont see them dragging off women and children and beating, hanging, stoning, raping etc…

And the scriptures they bring up are not what most Christians base their beliefs on… theres are more based on the teachings of Jesus, in the New Testament.

Blah…. no matter… they wont see their own hypocrisy no matter how much you show it to them.

TFM

ThinkingForMyself on April 11, 2008 at 1:04 AM

I’m always amazed at the number who fall into the traps. First we have those who want to blast YouTube because that’s what the Muslims did, then we have those who cannot resist the infighting when we have a common enemy.

Connie on April 11, 2008 at 2:41 AM

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