Video: Concealed carry 1, home invader 0
posted at 4:19 pm on April 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I don’t understand why gun rights aren’t more of a feminist issue. Well, no, that’s not true: Most self-styled feminist intellectuals come from the left, where the dogma on Violence trumps the need for self-defense from miscreants. I can understand worrying about 20-year-old guys running around with assault rifles, but a woman carrying a .38 Special in her purse in case she runs into someone who won’t take no for an answer? If the Patriarchy’s as sinister as they say, you’d think this would be a core plank of the movement.
This incident’s notable for the lack of bloodshed. Would that have been true if she wasn’t carrying? Click the image to watch.
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A friend has twice held graffiti
artistsvandals at gun point until the police arrived. Both times they were in the process of spraying historical buildings downtown.Graffiti incidents have slowed down considerably since then.
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:28 PM
I should also note that the local judge was not lenient. The first pair were masters students in the college art department. Both got 30 days in jail and fines to cover the cost of repair.
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM
She locked the door behind her. Didn’t want that varmint escaping, or more varmints getting in. Nice S&W .38 airweight. I have one that I conceal-carry occasionally.
txsurveyor on April 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM
That bothers me as well. I’m not a gun owner, but if I were single I would be.
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Yeah baby, that’s what I’m talking about. Good to see noone got hurt.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM
An armed society is a polite society.
jukin on April 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM
No. Good for her to be smart, observant, and carrying.
My hubby wants to buy one for me. We are going to look next week.
Is a .38 a good choice for an average size lady?
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Yup, but I’d recommend a .357 air-lite instead. You can target practice with the less expensive .38 rounds.
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM
I’m no expert, but I believe the gun she was carrying is an ideal size for ladies. Being a revolver, it is simple to operate with fewer moving parts. My girlfriend enjoys shooting mine. I am trying to talk her into getting her conceal carry license and buying one.
txsurveyor on April 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I am in the process of getting my C&C permit in NC. I have been through the background checks required to even buy a handgun. You have to apply for each one and pay a fee for the background check. I have to go through weapons safety training and get a mental evaluation. In all the process will cost well over $200.00. Depending on the audience, BHO wants to take that right away form me. Those who commit crimes don’t have to do things legally. I hope the SCOTUS comes up with a prudent decision on the case they are reviewing.
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Yes, if you have smaller hands it works well.
Please don’t forget not everyone has the same sized hands. I use a .40 cal cause I like the way it feels.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
I heard once that using firearms something like three times as many crimes are prevented as committed. Anyone have a source to prove or disprove that? I don’t remember where I heard it or if I’m reciting it correctly.
OneGyT on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws carry guns. Lets not give them the advantage!
HawaiiLwyr on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
WOW, so what if you get 4 different ones, at the same time? 4 different checks?
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Brat: My hubby wants to buy one for me. We are going to look next week.
Is a .38 a good choice for an average size lady?
Yes, it is. Go with a Smith & Wesson, the best choice would be a Model 642, which is lightweight and has no visible hammer that can snag if you keep in in your purse (not a good place to keep a gun). Buy hearing protectors and practice with light loads (target wadcutters) until you are confident with it. If the grips don’t fit you very well, you can change them easily, there are lots of aftermarket choices.
You can read blogs such as The Breda Fallacy and Rachel Lucas for tips from women that actually carry concealed.
Good luck, and congratulations on your wisdom!
piraticalbob on April 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM
I love the flabbergasted, confused look on the faces of the news anchors. You can just tell they’re trying to figure out how to label her a lunatic and just can’t quite get there.
samuelrylander on April 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I am a lady with a 357 by my bedside and will dang well put the size hole in any one who comes into my home to harm me or mine. I will deal with the law later. 2nd adm. is at our home. It does make a noise though. Guess I need to look into a ‘in my car’ one.
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letget on April 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Every law abiding citizens should own one or more guns, especially the old and female. If you have a handgun and your state allows conceal carry you should get a permit. There no reason not to. Conceal carry permit doesn’t force you to carry a gun if you don’t want to. It just give you the option to carry conceal if you need to.
jdun on April 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Good for her, and I’m glad this turned out OK. For the both of them. The news anchor lady didn’t seem like she agreed, though.
StephC on April 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Anyone else remember the 911 call Nicole Simpson made when OJ was breaking down her door. The operator was telling her to stay on the line, even though OJ was only a half broken door away from getting to and beating her up. Pity she didn’t have a gun then and there. Then we’d have two decent people still alive and one less scumbag.
rbj on April 10, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Only if you have the wrists of an East German powerlifter.
OK, I exaggerate a bit, but while the recoil on a full sized .357 isn’t bad, in a small, ultra-lite alloy revolver it’s actually pretty punishing.
A small .38 revolver isn’t a bad choice; many of them are designed to tolerate .38+P ammo making them plenty effective.
I have a carry permit, but more often than not my little P3AT in .380ACP gets carried. Even then with +P rounds the recoil is significant in a 7 ounce handgun.
And lest I be called a wuss, I also shoot a Ruger SRH in .454 Casull. Way, way too big to carry except for hunting.
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I’m not sure what being single has to do with having a gun. Do you ever go anywhere without your husband?
Oldnuke on April 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Awesome story showcasing the practicality and common sensibility of concealed carry.
Livefreeordie on April 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM
You’re going to have to enlighten me on the +P thing.
samuelrylander on April 10, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM
WOW, so what if you get 4 different ones, at the same time? 4 different checks?
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Jebus! What are you hunting? Whale?
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Just tools
Ropera on April 10, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Here you go.
doubleplusundead on April 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM
It’s simply ammunition that’s loaded to higher pressures- think of it as having more gunpowder in it. As a general rule most handguns will tolerate occasional use of +P ammo; some modern carry guns in .38 are specifically rated to use it.
.38+P is still less powerful than a .357, but more powerful than standard .38.
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 4:52 PM
I like the hammerless, but would be timid to carry it in anything but a holster or an empty pocket. The trigger pressure is fairly light and may get a chapstick lodged in the guard (if in a purse). The double action seems safer tossed in a bag full of junk.
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:52 PM
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM
txsurveyor on April 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
piraticalbob on April 10, 2008 at 4:39 PM
letget on April 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Thanks guys and gals. I’ll definitely go with a revolver! We have a Beretta but I have a hard time with it. We’re going to borrow from a neighbors ‘arsenal’ and go to the range next week.
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM
OMG are you KIDDING! Every 5 yrs… that is just… well I guess it is the NC Laws. Alaska is a tad different. I don’t remeber the permit amount, which could have changed.
So I will just copy paste:
Do you NEED to buy a Permit for Guns in Alaska… Nope.
Love my State!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Maybe that’s why natesnake suggested a .357?
doubleplusundead on April 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Ha. I bought it for deer hunting, though I rarely get close enough to use it. For big Minnesota whitetails .357 is less than ideal. .44 Mag would be plenty sufficient, but I went for the .454 instead. Never know when a rogue moose or rhinocerous might go on the rampage ;)
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM
It’s funny that the anchors summing it up at the end give the most red meat.
frankj on April 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM
+P is a designation for a hotter load in the same caliber. Same bullet diameter but a bit more powder, thus a little “hotter” round. Not as hot as a magnum, but a bit more than the standard. One of the knocks on the .38 Special has been that it lacks penetrating power compared to other calibers, so you can buy enhanced loads. Actually, you can buy +P for almost any ammo nowdays. They do require a weapon designed to handle the additional gas pressure, though. The 642 and many others will do that.
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM
My advice would be to go to a gunshop that has a shooting range. They should let you fire different weapons and you can decide what’s best for each individual.
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Brat I am female. I own a .40 cal cause my hand is a little bigger (long fingers) then most women. Go with what feels comfortable in your hand.
The cockless .38 is a good idea for older women. I do not bring my gun with me everywhere, expect when I go fishing due to bears.
Hope you get what you like!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Not really. We work together, eat lunch together and go out together. We have a second car, but it doesn’t really run.
Though that’s not exactly the reason. My husband doesn’t quite share my political beliefs and wouldn’t be OK with a gun in the house. Since he is almost always around and we live in a safe, gated apartment, it’s not something I would fight him over, especially since they’re not cheap.
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM
How big are those white tails?
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM
In a steel frame revolver, .357 wouldn’t be too bad. In some of the newer carry revolvers made of lightweight alloy the average woman might have difficulty controlling the recoil. Some of the .38’s are specifically designed to handle .38+P, which is a good compromise between standard .38 ammo and the heavier recoil of a .357.
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM
+P is extra pressure. +P+ is extra extra pressure. In other words it makes the round go faster. +P and +p+ are associate with premium hollow point ammo.
The .38 special ended the Miami Shoot out. It is second most analyzed shootout in modern times.
jdun on April 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM
A .38 or a .40 cal S&W usually got for used about 400. Not too bad, excpet maybe for the permits.
Do not put it aside, you may need one one day and you will wish you had one if you didn’t.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM
“The purpose of the concealed carry is not to hurt people it’s to keep me from being a victim”
Hear, Hear.
As an Ex-cop I can tell you that police force is a reactionary force. It could take 10-15 minutes or more to get to a scene and by then the situation is long gone. Everyone has a right to protect themselves from harm and I think that is a basic human right. So why is the left fighting so hard to take away our human right?
Claypigeon on April 10, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Thanks. Now I’m getting excited about it!
Our neighbors are older…the lady is small, she has a .38. She said “a .32 ain’t gonna do nuthin’ to nobody!” so I think we’ll get some good advice from them too!
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Yes. It’s in the Obits in your local paper. These guys don’t come back for their repeat offenses.
leftnomore on April 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Be careful. That may just make the bear mad. I suggest a little more firepower. This is advice from someone who has shot a bear.
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 5:01 PM
She is right a .32 will do a flesh wound if anything, unless you get something vital, which is seldom. Check your friends out and see how you like it. I bet you will thanks us all later!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 5:03 PM
My CC weapon is a S&W model 65 38/357 5 shot 3″ barrel…My wife has fired the .38 loads, but doesn’t like the .357 loads…. so I’d recommend the .38 police loads….. Here in MN…. you’d literally have to have the perp next to you for the law NOT to arrest you, though! Damned state.
MNDavenotPC on April 10, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Key quote, “You don’t want to shoot anybody; and that’s not the reason for having concealed carry. The reason for having it is so that I’m not a victim.”
USCitizen on April 10, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Not to sound geeky, but that’s what my ps3 costs. It’s not something I ignore. It’s just not something I want to argue about.
As it is his brother-in-law was a soldier (Marine I think, but I’m not sure) and has several weapons. Once when we went down to see family my husband went to a gun range. If his mind is going to be changed on this issue, it won’t be because of me.
Esthier on April 10, 2008 at 5:05 PM
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I’m a’thankin’ ya now, ma’am.
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 5:05 PM
150lb is typical, and a 200lb buck won’t win you any contests.
Deer can be tough- shoot one right through the lungs and they can still run a couple hundred yards. I prefer having them drop on the spot.
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Nah, I’m saying maybe he meant shoot a .38+P in a .357.
doubleplusundead on April 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:02 PM
LOL, Les I have been fishing in Alaska for years. The grizzlys are usually easy going, and you back away when they come for the fish. 20 minutes later you are back at fishing
The blackies are the ones to worry about. They stalk, they attack you, they are just nasty.
I always take hollow point when I go fishing. But then again.. 1 out of 3 guys (I am usually the lone female) has a .357, .44 etc with them. They think it is cool that I am out there fishing with them.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM
True. Short of a 7mm or .270 rifle (absolute minimum) most handguns do not have enough punch to either (A) penetrate a bear’s skull or (B) reach deep enough to hit vital organs without a straight chest shot.
You’d be better off shooting a bear in the a$$ and hope you hit the femoral attery.
natesnake on April 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM
It’s hard to maintain the victim mentality when your attacker’s on a slab.
This probably goes without saying, but don’t just take advice from others. Try them out before you buy anything, to be sure it works for you. (My aim, for example, is much worse with a revolver, for some reason — you may have preferences/quirks of your own.)
Tanya on April 10, 2008 at 5:07 PM
For some reason, I find the .357 recoil objectionable, even in my full size stainless S&W Model 66, yet have no problem with .45 ACP. The magnum recoil seems more abrupt/harder to control, and the .45 is more like a slight push or nudge. We’re all different, I guess. I do like the .45 round.
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM
That’s a very smart lady. Had her eyes open, paid attention, didn’t freak out, stayed in control of the situation, and was prepared with hardware.
And I’m pleased how the newsreaders handled it, too. Reinforced the woman’s opinion, and didn’t feel the need to give anti-gun nuts equal time. Nice.
Splashman on April 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Probably because the feminist movement was never really about feminism so much as it was/is about feminizing men and mansculating women.
Bottome line. Real feminists (as in those women who actually wish to be real females) know how to use a firearm, and often carry them.
Lawrence on April 10, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Ahh. We don’t have white tails this far north. Moose (as you know) and Caribou up north (about 400 lbs or so for a good Buck) and the deer we do have is on the panhandle… little TINY black tail. They don’t get very big.. 80 lbs is normal from what I understand.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 5:09 PM
HERE HERE!!
leftnomore on April 10, 2008 at 5:11 PM
You need to try out many different pistols and select the one that you feel the most comfortable with.
fossten on April 10, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Several observations if I may…
You should be anyway. He may not always be around and that’s no time to start learning.
http://www.guncite.com/gcwhoGK.html
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html
http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html
As a rule of thumb, a bigger caliber is always better, but if it’s uncomfortable and your hesitant to carry/use it so you leave it at home, then smaller is better.
Remember the first rule. If you must get into a gun fight, remember to bring a gun. (see last url above about defensive gun use and number of times weapons acutally must be discharged)
Interestingly enough, I was just in a conversation with a Dem gun owner this morning. He wants me to talk to a local Dem candidate who is undecided about her gun control stance to provide her with information and help her to see the light.
Catseye on April 10, 2008 at 5:13 PM
No insult intended. Just wanted to express that I’ve shot a bear at close range with a high powered rifle that barely slowed him down with the first shot. Maybe it wasn’t the best shot, but they are a natural wrecking machine. They make any path they want and a small caliber weapon has to be placed exactly.
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM
I’m due to renew my CCW permit and wife wants to get hers so we will be taking our classes next weekend.
Here in Nevada the Republican Governor got in a little hot water for not qualifying with all 9 pistols he wanted to be able to carry. In this state you must qualify with every different semi-auto handgun you want to be able to carry and if you want to carry a revolver you must qualify with just one those. It seems he forgot two of the pistols when he took his coarse and talked the instructor into signing off on all nine on the stipulation that he would come back in a couple of weeks and qualify with the to pistols he forgot. Well he got busy and did not go back to qualify and had to turn in his CCW permit. He has since re-qualified and has his permit back. I think it is dam cool that our Governor has at least nine handguns.
RobD on April 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM
I see we have an experienced hunter amoung us. I have had deer drop faster from a femoral artery shot (as a bow hunter) than a heart/lung shot.
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I love the .45 it makes that satisfying WHUMP sound. I’ve got two Kimbers a Colt and a H&K USP. My favorite is the Kimber custom classic, I hate the H&K.
Oldnuke on April 10, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Oh no.. no insult. Ever heard of the Russian River? There are a bunch of bears around that area… especially during the runs.
Check this out… because this is normal for me.
Sanctuary walkway.
on the river
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 5:19 PM
As a fellow gun owner, I disagree. She should have stayed in the living room with her back against a wall & her hand on her weapon until the police got there.
jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I’m sorry, but that woman behaved like a fool. Having a gun doesn’t mean you get to play cop. The moment she realized the house had been broken into, she should have gone back outside and waited for the police to clear it.
When I got my carry license, our instructor emphasized avoiding confrontations whenever possible. You don’t go looking for trouble, and that’s basically what she did. A carry license doesn’t qualify you for police work.
nobaloney on April 10, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Yes, you are not supposed to clear a house on your own but it is so much fun :)
RobD on April 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM
I was thinking out in the yard by her car. But she did what most people would probably do. Human nature to try to protect what’s yours.
Oldnuke on April 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Excellect post, AP.
The Ugly American on April 10, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Never heard of the Russian River. I’m sure it’s a wonderful place. I was just pointing out that a bear has a lot of stuff (fat, bone, fur) that a bullet has to go through. I hope you stay safe!
Les in NC on April 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Surprised the newscasters didn’t open the story with
“Victims of the housing crisis can’t even enjoy a good night’s sleep in someone else’s house without having a gun pulled on them.”
Krychek on April 10, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Actually, it’s not notable for its lack of bloodshed, since most armed citizen events end without a shot being fired. We just don’t get to hear about them very often — it’s a dog-bites-man story that’s not in the interest of either the police, politicians, or the media to publicize.
Socratease on April 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Sig P220 .45 ACP
Compensated, tritium sights, and reworked slide (smooth as buttah…)…
I love it but would not recommend it for someone who has not been carrying for a long period of time… it lacks the typcial safteys of standard 45s.
Romeo13 on April 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM
I second your suggestion to try before buying.
I’ve had the opposite experience from you. Better aim with the revolver. Of course, having only been to a range 3 times in my life, my aim with any gun is rather sad. :)
JadeNYU on April 10, 2008 at 5:39 PM
I see you’ve found some of the photography of Oleg Volk. There’s lots more. He has some lovely subjects and insightful commentary.
mojojojo on April 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Size is also important. I have a permit and carry a Kel Tec P3 380. It fits well in my pants pocket and is always on me. Never in my purse. I have seen a few purse snatchings in my day and don’t want the bad guys to get my gun. I wear pleated pants and you would never know.
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I have encountered the police a few times and had to declare it to them. They usually say that is good to know, thanks for telling us. One asked what I was carrying and said, “Sweet!” They all seem to appreciate that fact that I carry.
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Kel Tec also makes a 9mm model that is very compact. They are modest priced guns, easy to clean and feel nice when I go to the range. They do not have a safety, so it is always ready to go with one in the chamber. Have carried for a few years, but never had to use it. Have had to call the police a few times and had my hand in my pocket, but never had to draw. It is a last resort that I hope to never have to use.
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I like the 380 a bit better than my 357. As a woman, the 357 bites my hand a little to much for my liking. The 380 would do the job, but is a bit easier for me to hold onto. It feels much like a 38 as far as the kick back.
My instructor that certified me said the Kel Tec was a good choice and he was trying to get his wife to give up her revolver and go with the 380.
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The police do the best they can, but they can’t be everywhere at once. God bless them for being on the job, and I appreciate all they do. Most of the time they get there after and spend their efforts putting the puzzle together of what happened.
USBB on April 10, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I used to be confused in the same way – until I realized the whole liberal movement (feminism etc.) isn’t really concerned with equal rights, civil rights, gay rights, whatever.
It sounds nuts – but their primary focus, their primary goal, their most fundamental mission – is to found a movement that is diametrically opposed to the sanctity of human life. We are just another animal to them and – like cockroaches – the fewer the better. Once you understand that everything liberals do makes perfect sense.
They don’t want to elevate women – they want to tear down men. This way there are fewer functional families and a weakened military and police presence. Therefore people have less incentive to reproduce and those who do have a harder time raising their children in a dangerous society.
They don’t care about abortion as a “Woman’s right to make her own choice” – they just want fewer babies. It’s a simple as that.
They support gay marriage for the same reason. Show me a single liberal who is for BOTH gay marriage and abortion while supporting get tough on crime measures and parental notifications AT THE SAME TIME and I’ll show you a fairy and a unicorn.
Drug legalization – same thing. They want people to be less motivated to form families and procreate and again – for those who do – they want to create a society in which it’s a nightmare to raise children.
It’s also why they’re against spanking. They could give a flying crap about the kids. If they actually did care they’d be FOR spanking – but no. They just want to make it more difficult for parents to raise their children and make it less attractive a choice for those who might be considering having children of their own.
Liberals – in everything they do – are fundamentally opposed to further procreation of human life. That’s all they care about. That’s all they stand for. Everything else coming out of their mouth is pure crapola.
Once you understand this – you understand liberals.
thareb on April 10, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Every day I get more and more suspicious of this guy’s Conservative credentials.
I’m suprised none of you other guys caught that slip.
pseudonominus on April 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM
In my State, if you are under the parents, you can own a AR-15, even if you are under age. It is the parent who is responsible, but like that makes a different anymore.
I caught it, but at least I understood it.
And he could be talking about femi-nazi’s but he isn’t. he is talking about how women (color or age) aren’t typical of owning guns. And how the Left doesn’t like for you to own them as a women.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I think she was lucky the guy didn’t attack her from behind. Good for her, though! Bad for Obama and Hillary and the gun-hating Left.
SouthernGent on April 10, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Brat, I strongly recommend taking a class – I took an excellent day-long NRA Basic Pistol class last year and was able to try several models under an instructor’s supervision. I found that much as I love semi-automatics, I’m much more comfortable with a revolver – they’re much easier to handle for someone who’s all thumbs and doesn’t expect to shoot frequently.
You can find NRA’s Basic Pistol classes in your state here, and NRA programs for women here.
Rosmerta on April 10, 2008 at 6:03 PM
What are you talking about? The Sig 220 has four safety.
Just decock the hammer using the decocking lever and you’re good to go. Modern firearms WILL NOT GO OFF unless the trigger is pulled.
Most new handguns now a days doesn’t have manual safety unless it is in single action only. As long as you don’t pull the trigger it will not go off. Finger off the trigger.
jdun on April 10, 2008 at 6:04 PM
You might want to buy/borrow the books of John R. Lott, Jr., a professor at SUNY Binghamton – especially More Guns, Less Crime and The Bias Against Guns. Both are full of statistics and hard data.
Rosmerta on April 10, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Brat on April 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Get a .44 Special or a .45 acp. You want to be able to stop an attack with one shot. Taurus makes a small .44 Special.
Johan Klaus on April 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM
The public cannot buy assault weapons.
Johan Klaus on April 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Interesting thesis, thareb – the only problem is, it seems to require a lot of thinking everything through. I doubt most liberals go into that level of detail in developing their worldview, or could articulate it so well if they did. Or are you picturing a group of key manipulators behind the scenes/in front of the cameras?
Rosmerta on April 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM
The Sig is on my short list if I ever get back into the gun buying market. About 2 years ago I sold all my reloading equipment and haven’t bought or traded since then. The only thing I did to my Kimber Classic was put on an extended slide release. Didn’t need it just wanted it.
Oldnuke on April 10, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Not picking on you, as much as the media would like to portray that such a place exists, there is no such thing as a crime free zone. Crime can occur anywhere at any time … even in a “safe, gated residence”. Only “law abiding” citizens respect locks and gates.
Mrs Redneck won’t allow herself to become a statistic. She sleeps with a Ruger 357 next to her bed and carries a S&W 638 (described in a previous post) on her person when she leaves the house.
AZ_Redneck on April 10, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Reference to both the Colorado church shooting and the guy in the mall with the SKS. Young males with semi-auto rifles. He’s pointing out the case the gun grabbers will argue, not making it himself.
I’m surprised you didn’t catch that.
TexasDan on April 10, 2008 at 6:32 PM
why aren’t the posts coming up?
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Um. “Assault weapons” is the term for military-style semi-auto weapons (AR-15, AK variants, SKS, etc.) and we damn sure can own those.
We can also own full auto weapons, but only ones made before 1986, when the ban was put into effect on manufacture of new full-auto weapons to be sold to the public. There’s some hoops to jump through and the guns are spendy, but you can buy them.
Note the terrible rash of crimes perpetrated by the legal full-auto owning crowd. So utterly non-existent that the public often believes that civilians can’t even own them. Good law, that 1986 ban. /sarc
TexasDan on April 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM
nobaloney on April 10, 2008 at 5:21 PM
The burglar was the person looking for trouble.
Johan Klaus on April 10, 2008 at 6:40 PM
I have a New England Firearms single-shot rifle in S&W .500 mag. It kicks something fearsome.
Tom
marinetbryant on April 10, 2008 at 6:45 PM
I suggest:
S&W 442 38+p with Hollow Points (small grip, easier to handle for a female with small hands, yet it does kick pretty darn good, easy to re-load, if you have speeloader back ups, but it only holds five rounds in the cylinder.)
Sig Sauer P239 Compact 9mm Hollow Points (small grip, easier to handle for a female with small hands, if you prefer more ammo capacity this semi-auto is great for CCW, due to the balanced weight it does not kick as much as the S&W 442, easy to re-load with magazine.)
For me! Kimber .45 Ultra Carry II. Small package, big punch.
“A Society that no longer has the option to defend itself, is no longer Governed they are Ruled.”
americaslaststand on April 10, 2008 at 6:50 PM
TexasDan on April 10, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Oh and don’t forget, to own one that is full automatic, you must have a permit for that as well.. BUT you only have to buy one for your lifetime and it can be grandfathered down :)
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 6:52 PM
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