McCain out in front? Update: AP says possibly
posted at 1:10 pm on April 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Politico has its hands on internal polling from Team McCain and the RNC which has them feeling good about their chances in November. McCain leads both Democratic contenders well outside the margins of error. He has consolidated Republican support while extending his reach to moderates — and even some Democrats:
Internal polling data, presented privately last week at the Republican National Committee’s state chair meeting and provided to Politico, shows John McCain with a solid lead over both his potential general election rivals. Powered by the same appeal to Democrats and independents that fueled his primary election success, McCain is leading Barack Obama 48 percent to 42 percent and Hillary Clinton 51 percent to 40 percent according to RNC polling done late last month.
He’s moved ahead of the two Democrats by consolidating support among Republicans, but also by retaining his backing among a wide swath of independents and picking up a small chunk of cross-party support.
Among independents, McCain leads Obama 48 percent to 39 percent and Clinton 54 percent to 34 percent. Among Democrats, he picks up 20 percent in a race against Obama and leads Barack Obama 48 percent to 39 percent and Senator Clinton 54 percent to 34 percent.
It’s a pretty remarkable showing, given a couple of opposing currents in 2008. The gap in party affiliation continues to grow in favor of the Democrats, and after eight years of an unpopular President, Republicans should be in deep trouble for November. In fact, most analysts figured that either Obama or Hillary could easily beat whomever the GOP offered as its sacrificial lamb this fall.
McCain, though, turns out to be the near-perfect Republican candidate in this election, and he has the Democrats to thank for it. Instead of triangulating to the center, both Obama and Hillary have run to the far Left. They have embraced the populism that failed John Edwards in two successive cycles and pushed the Democrats farther Left than any time since 1972. Meanwhile, McCain’s existing credibility with independents and moderates has allowed him to quietly gain supporters without alienating the Republican base — again, thanks to the leftward push of the two Democrats.
Howard Dean claims that this is just a passing phase. McCain doesn’t have a “well-formed image” with American voters, the DNC chair explains, but he fails to explain how Barack Obama’s three years in the Senate and lack of visibility on any major issue compares to McCain’s quarter-century of high-profile leadership. McCain has attracted centrists and independents precisely because people know McCain well — and they’re beginning to learn about Barack Obama.
Update: The AP — not known for its bias towards Republicans — sees Obama and Hillary both heading south in a general election:
Republican Sen. John McCain has erased Sen. Barack Obama’s 10-point advantage in a head-to-head matchup, leaving him essentially tied with both Democratic candidates in an Associated Press-Ipsos national poll released Thursday.
The survey showed the extended Democratic primary campaign creating divisions among supporters of Obama and rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and suggests a tight race for the presidency in November no matter which Democrat becomes the nominee. ….
An AP-Ipsos poll taken in late February had Obama leading McCain 51-41 percent. The current survey, conducted April 7-9, had them at 45 percent each. McCain leads Obama among men, whites, Southerners, married women and independents.
Clinton led McCain, 48-43 percent, in February. The latest survey showed the New York senator with 48 percent support to McCain’s 45 percent. Factoring in the poll’s margin of error of 3.1 percentage points, Clinton and McCain are statistically tied.
If McCain is winning independents and married women against Obama, then the Democrats will be in for a very unhappy November.










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He can blow that quickly with a dumb vp pick.
peacenprosperity on April 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM
I’m not surprized, given how awful the alternatives are, but I’m also not jumping for joy.
Think_b4_speaking on April 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Show me the same polls one month after the Dem nomination battle is settled once and for all…then, I’ll believe.
james23 on April 10, 2008 at 1:13 PM
McCain leading? Hey Howard Dean – Booyah!!
RobCon on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Avalanche!!!!!
There is no stopping this conservative Democrat!!
Hening on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM
The person he has most to thank in this world is Rush Limbaugh, CincUSOC.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Exactly. Then after the conventions as well. Then after McCain is drowned in Obama’s money. McCain has a long road to hoe and I don’t think he can pull it off. I’ll happily eat crow on that. But I’d look “forward” to Obama for 8 years if I were everyone.
lorien1973 on April 10, 2008 at 1:17 PM
We have a friend of the family visiting us right now, an elderly lady and lifelong Democrat. We were talking about politics last night, and she told me she’s voting for McCain. I don’t know how representative she is, but I found it interesting.
JS on April 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM
The odds have always been against the GOP in 2008, with an unpopular president in office and unfavorable set of seats in play for the congressionals.
With Democratic hegemony looming, and two disasterous uber-liberal presidential candidates in the offering, the citizens are beginning to think again. McCain was a great choice for nominee because he doesn’t go in for polarizing politics, and short-circuits the Democratic claims for change.
McCain can take all the time he needs over his VP pick. Best to let the media and citizens focus on his statesmanlike strengths for the time being. Whether he chooses an economic strongman like Forbes, or a swing-state candidate like Pawlenty, or a conservative hardman like Tom Coburn, will depend on what issues mean most to voters come the summer.
Pax americana on April 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m not so sure. “McSame” is a lame frame.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Okay, so the lib has moved in front of the lib, and the other lib.
I’m cracking the champagne.
Darksean on April 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM
If the Dems wouldn’t have selected two uber-liberals they would win in November in an absolute landslide (they still can win but it probably won’t be a landslide). No doubt about it.
terryannonline on April 10, 2008 at 1:23 PM
i did not want McCain as the nominee but he is looking like a gift from heaven compared to the choices on the left. Clinton/Obama are the best thing to ever happen to McCain.
HawaiiLwyr on April 10, 2008 at 1:24 PM
errrrrr….it’s April. I think. Like James23 said above, let’s run over this again in August.
Limerick on April 10, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Not a rarity. I know several Dems who won’t vote for Obama for multiple reasons. Some say he stole what should’ve been Clintons, others think he’s too liberal, etc.
amerpundit on April 10, 2008 at 1:26 PM
You know I need to get something off my chest. Early in the election cycle I was pro-Giuliani and pro-Thompson. McCain wasn’t impressive to me because of his deafness to us on the immigration issue. When those two lost out, I was pro-Romney. So now we have McCain, one of the true moderates in the party, and social cons and others are raising hell, even saying they will stay home from the polls. Obama is running on a change and unification platform which he cannot back up in any way shape or form. Obviously his idea of bipartisanship is talking the the Republicans before voting and acting hard left. McCain IS what Obama makes himself out to be. Experienced, patriotic, moderate, and someone who HAS and WILL reach across the aisle. I know some of you are so hardened against the left you don’t want a moderate. But hear me out. The country needs one. We need to reunify, that is why Obama is doing so well. Our country is ill with partisanship, and the solution isn’t more partisanship.
Who do you want to reunify the country and get the credit? Obama or McCain? Whose political flavor do you prefer?
I call on you guys to stop seeing his history of contrarianism with the right as a negative. Maybe it would have been in 2000. But this is 2008 and a man like McCain is fully positioned to win this thing, if only we all give him our support.
Dr. Manhattan on April 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM
I forget his name, but a Dem hack was on Hannity last night claiming he was a “Democrat Centrist” and of course and Obama/Hillary guy. I wanted Hannity to point out that McCain, not Obama/hillary…is the ideal candidate for a true “Democrat Centrist” or Moderate.
jp on April 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM
True. Things can change drastically. No one can predict the future. And plus I feel Congress is more important anyway and that isn’t looking good.
terryannonline on April 10, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Good news, but it’s a little like your baseball team being in first place in April. Long season ahead and the Dems are still divided. Still…better to be ahead than behind.
dedalus on April 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Thank you for a polite and persuasive plea. I for one am not ready to give him my support, but I have reigned in the ridicule about 95%.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Hillary raised over $100 million before the tides turned on her. Alot of good that did.
My understanding is that the GOP has 10x the cash on hand the Dems do… that buys alot of Rev Wright videos.
Even if Obama wins, they’ll lose at least the House this year or more likely 2010.
A far left liberal President and the most unpopular Congress in history seems to me about as stable as a Mexican space shuttle.
Chuck Schick on April 10, 2008 at 1:33 PM
It really isn’t that surprising. Most people I talk to don’t want one party in charge of all three branches. They actually like the gridlock they are seeing. The Democrats scared people with the tax increase talk. Most people understand that illegals are costing them money each and everyday. If we are to believe that illegals keep costs down on our consumption, why have prices skyrocketing? You can only blame so much on increased fuel costs.
Pam on April 10, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Doesn’t anyone remember the primaries? You know the ones that had 4-1 Dem/Rep ratios? Don’t tell me that (a) Dems always turn out for primaries, or (b) 2 of those 4 suddenly got Maverick love.
I agree that it is better to be ahead at this point, but I still feel we are in for a good ol butt whooping in November.
Limerick on April 10, 2008 at 1:35 PM
As I’ve been saying for months, it will be easy to portray BO as an ultra-leftist, inexperienced, unaccomplished junior senator tainted by various scandals.
jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
OMG UR GRAMMY IS RACIST!!!11!!11!!
Hollowpoint on April 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Congress is hugely important, but both houses will be Dem controlled. Perhaps a rationale for some in the middle to put McCain in the White House will be to stop the Dems from going to extremes.
dedalus on April 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Whatever do you mean? I thought the MSM had already appointed Condi Rice as his VP pick.
I wonder who the MSM will appoint as Obama’s VP?
thuja on April 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Dr. Manhattan,
Very well put.
Why anyone on the right would not vote for McCain at this point in our history, with the current possibilities for the Democratic nominee, is beyond me. The only logical explanation that I can see is childish petulance.
exhelodrvr on April 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM
jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Only if the media acts as a purveyor of factual unbiased information. The vast majority of MSM outlets have chosen to ignore this in regards to their coverage of the Messiah and have degenerated into nothing more that partisan blowhards!
dmann on April 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM
LOL
Watchman on April 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Just so I understand you: If I’m “on the right” and I don’t vote for McShamnesty, I’m a petulant child? Is that your contention?
That, for all the galaxy of reasons I might have to not vote for him, none of them are valid to any extent whatsoever except for childish petulance?
Really?
Darksean on April 10, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Keep it up Maverick. Keep playing nice, let the dems keep firing blanks, keep the moral high ground. Win the middle, it’s the middle, it’s always been the middle, win the middle. Just keep it up until the debates where Obamamessiah can’t write a speech to squirm his way out of it and then…. deal him a death blow he’ll never forget. Just ask Mitt.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
The “center” is moveable. It’s too far left. It needs to be pulled to the right. There’s no absolute virtue in being a centrist, and there’s no virtue in “coming together” if we are too far to one extreme or another. So, I reject your reasoning and appeal, even though I will reluctantly vote for him. McCain is simply too far left to pull us more than an inch to the right. We need to move a few feet.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM
The middle may win, but it sucks. It’s philosophically challenged.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM
This is one of the most absurd things to come out of a man known for his utterly idiotic remarks.
McCain is pretty well liked by the American people, who VERY MUCH know what he’s all about. Whether this will transfer into votes in November is a question mark, but to act as if people don’t know who John McCain is or what he stands for is just nonsense.
Vyce on April 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Chances are that when the Democrats decide on a nominee, that nominee will gain a bounce in the polls of from 10-15%. When that happens, you will know it because it will be front page headlines that they are wooping McCain for, oh, about a month. That is what McCain’s future is going to be like.
bnelson44 on April 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
RCP averages of recent polls has McCain ahead of Hillary by 2.4% and behind Obama by 1.2% in general election match-ups.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
JiangxiDad
I see where you are coming from, but I argue that the center in this country is actually to the right relative to Europe, South America, Asia, even similar countries to ours like Australia and Canada. We are a relatively conservative country altogether. That’s why the left is ashamed of being US Citizens. It makes them look right-wing to their foreign counterparts.
Part of my appeal is that we’ve seen the left go off the deep end (for the wrong reasons, sure) for the last eight years, and its unsettling to me. I feel like a hard right President would basically send them over the edge (again, if that’s possible). This country is for 100% of the citizens, not just the fiscal, security, and social conservatives. We need to find a way to accomodate liberals to some extent too without losing our principles.
This is how I think of it: the baby left needs its pacifier right now, not tough love. If it keeps crying, it’ll have a stroke. Eventually if the left doesn’t give its consent to the government, we’ll have a real problem on our hands.
Dr. Manhattan on April 10, 2008 at 2:09 PM
RCP averages of recent polls has McCain ahead of Hillary by 2.4% and behind Obama by 1.2% in general election match-ups.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:04 PM
CBS, USA Today, NYT’s keep throwing in these polls that have Obama up double digits to keep that average where it’s at dude. Have you not read any of Ed’s posts on their flawed sampling and cooking their numbers? Pay attention! I know your pissed that Juan McStrawberries is going to win, but enough already. It’s over.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Sean Hannity is OK with McCain and Sean said that he (Sean) will likely disagree with McCain 35% of the time. That reflects my sentiments. On the big issues of our era, namely Islamic terrorism, McCain is right on the target. On America’s defense, he will never gut the military. He will never apologize for America. On less important issues, McCain is dead wrong. But when you compare McCain to Obama and the Clintons, the choice is like night and day. Obama and Clinton will do incalculable damage to the United States. To quote from Pat Moynihan, Obama and Clinton would be “joining the jackals”. For anyone wavering, I would remind them that the thought of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama having the title of “Commander in Chief” is a sickening prospect. I would rather have my knee drained than even contemplate the thought of even one American soldier being forced to salute either Obama or the Clintons.
Larraby on April 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM
As Tom Sowell said yesterday, Sen. John McCain could never persuade me to vote for him. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain.
This is the CW that McCain can win as the “better than the alternative” candidate. I totally disagree.
Without the positive press from the MSM (the NYT does not endorse conservative Republicans), McCain and today’s numbers will fade like a Summer romance. I owe NO loyalty to the Republican party with John McCain as their standard bearer. FYI, calling people you wish to persuade “childish” is really effective.
Angry Dumbo on April 10, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Ridiculing Juan McCain in the defense of American sovereignty is no vice. And defending Juan McCain’s Shamnesty ways is no virtue.
- Barry Goldwater [updated]
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Not only that, but after Obama spends $500+ on TV blitz about what a crazy warmonger McCain is.
Clark1 on April 10, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Not that I’m entirely pleased to have to vote for McCain, but this one made me howl.
Should we also thank MM and the other grumblers as well as Rash Limbaugh? They have done nothing supportive, but instead have yammered on about McCain’s faults, conveniently forgetting that the alternative is communism/socialism, racism and chaos.
If McCain wins in November, the people he can thank will be those who chose him because he is alone among the contenders in being patriotic and decent.
It may be a reluctant choice, unsatisfactory to the die-hard doctrinaire my-way-or-the-highway crowd, but the fanatics on the right are, in the end, no more powerful — in fact, are less so — than the fanatics on the left.
It also wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to see that egotistical mouth behind the “golden microphone” cut down to size a bit. His worshipers are almost Obama-like in their slavish devotion to every mayonnaise-coated word that drips from his lips.
MrScribbler on April 10, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Agree. But that doesn’t mean we aren’t too far left. IMO we are.
The conservatives have been marginalized since the 60′s. I have NO sympathy for the left.
I don’t agree. We are a unique country with a traditional and special emphasis on fiscal, security and social conservatism. Liberalism as a political and social philosophy must be constrained and eliminated.
Yes, although usually unsaid, I suspect most commenters are aware of the elephant in the room. Your response to seeing that particular future is IMO appeasement. I don’t want to appease libs, I want them destroyed as a social, political and economic force. Only then will we be safe from tyranny.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I prefer not to pick and choose among the polls and in particular not to pick and choose either RNC or DNC polls.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Obama just voted a few weeks ago to raise taxes on everyone making $32,000 on up.
Ill make a wild guess that over 90% of America doesn’t know that.
I’d rather have taxes, guns, Obama’s abortion past, the Good Rev Wright and Obama’s coveted “most liberal Senator” award as my ammo for November any day of the year
Chuck Schick on April 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM
The RNC has become the great moderate echo chamber devoid of ideas.
Angry Dumbo on April 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Internal polls like the one leaked are by far the most accurate.
Chuck Schick on April 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM
I agree with you. But in my more sober moments, I agree only to the extent that the noise we make is calculated and specifically designed to nudge him to the right. While other candidates were in the race, all bets were off. But he is our candidate and he is what he is, as stubborn as they come. And I am satisfied that he is a
betterless rotten choice than his two opponents.RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Don’t forget the bubonic plague and a Klingon invasion.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I’ll bet the family farm that a poll from one of the three mentioned will be released within days to counter this article. Politico is viewed my mostly dems so action must be taken. The poll result will be undeniably be Obama probably by seven to nine points to keep that RCP average close. I’ve been watching it for months. It’s like clockwork. Every time Mav starts to pull away on that RCP average, they counter with an obviously skewed poll to keep the average close.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Yup.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM
McCain leading? Hey Howard Dean – Booyah!!
Oh yeah. Lets celebrate socialist a little lighter being in the lead.
RWLA on April 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM
My mom, God rest her soul, was a staunch Dem but I can tell you if she was still here, she would vote for McCain.
She loved him and wanted him to win in 2000!
http://armyaunt.johnmccain.com/
ArmyAunt on April 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Dr. Manhattan
You sound like me, but with a more refined vocabulary. I couldn’t agree with you more. As for Republicans not voting for McCain, you are correct. I am certain that their are a million other reasons not to vote for him but since it will only be him against (insert Democrat nominee here) none of them hold up, the only option is McCain, or as you put it so eloquently,
midwesternperspective on April 10, 2008 at 2:30 PM
A milkshake with a half dozen scopes of $hit in in rather than a dozen scopes of $hit in it still does not sound at all appetizing.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM
You sound more than a little like one of those conspiratorial truther types.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM
I couldn’t agree more!
terryannonline on April 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM
So what is your point MB?
I am not thrilled with McCain either.
But I am horrified of an Obama presidency.
As a small business owner, the increase in taxes I will have to pay will be significantly more than the average worker.
ArmyAunt on April 10, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Accept that you are going to be served plenty of $hit come November. You and 300 million other Americans. The best we can do is remind them what milkshake without $hit used to taste like so they will be persuaded to order one of those in 4 years.
Complaining about our serving while everyone around us is gagging on it too does not advance Conservative goals, or persuade anyone to join us.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Have you informed Presidents Gore and Kerry of that?
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM
C’mon. You are acting like you never held your nose and voted before. I’m just worried you’ll pick someone with a (D) after their name. Write somebody in if you can’t stand to stick your nose into the toilet.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 2:28 PM
You sound more than a little like one of those conspiratorial truther types.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Does that make Captain Ed’ one as well?
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Nominating Juan McCain/Kennedy/Feingold does not do a whole lot to advance Conservative goals. In fact I think it will do rather the opposite.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Frankly the Republican party nominating Juan McCain is a lot like the Democat party nominating Zell Miller.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:46 PM
The liberal trolls on this site are venting with rage. Most of them “quote” liberal sources to support there disgust with McCain. But the RNC, and the rest of the faithful are working to deny the democrats a victory.
Rushbaby is correct, our dissent is to push him to the right, where others are to push him out and get Obama elected. That is the choice, like or not…McCain or Obama.
We are finding out who is a real Republican; who is just a conservative/libertarian and damn the party…and who is actually fighting for a Democrat to win.
Not voting for McCain, means at least 8 years of Democrat rule both congress and the oval office, not my choice for a better America. McCain not my firm choice, but better then the alternative.
Sometimes, you have to sit on the bench for your team to win.
right2bright on April 10, 2008 at 2:47 PM
I see you as being in a class by yourself.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM
lol
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Whatever you say, Howie.
I’ve seen a couple of sports analogies here, and it is true that there is a lot of time left. But some of the best teams have been ones that jumped out to a big lead early in the season and never looked back. This year’s Boston Celtics come to mind.
Del Dolemonte on April 10, 2008 at 2:50 PM
I hope McCain makes it. This is no time for retreat and protectionism. It really isn’t and if conservatives want to have one of their own in the White House…they need to concentrate on winning support among their fellow Americans.
Terrye on April 10, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Note the title of this thread is “McCain out in front?”
See the question mark?
Also observe that there are no conspiracy theories in the text of the article.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Great post.
Professor Blather on April 10, 2008 at 2:56 PM
I can’t fathom why you would scorn Rush the way you do, if you support McCain, for the following reasons:
1. His mockery and criticism of McCain (noticebly ratched back since he became the nominee) gives liberals, independence, and moderates a shield to vote for McCain and deflect the onslaught of pressure from the far left.
2. On his urging, thousands upon thousands of Republicans have re-registered as Democrats to keep Hillary’s morale up in the race. If she had conceded, the enemedia would be giving a tongue bath to the democratic nominee. Instead, all the flaws in the Democrat election rules and philosophy are becoming apparent for the world to see.
3. He is playing politics, something the McCain campaign has steadfastly refused to do. McCain chastises his surrogates for the slightest infraction, such as emailing a video critical of Rev. Wright. McCain wants to run an honorable campaign. Rush wants to win.
4. No one in the Republican party could have conceived of a way to tinker with the outcome of the Dem nomination process. What Rush is doing is historical, and he does it all with humour, optimism, and patriotism.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM
I could flood this thread with quotes from Michelle Malkin about Juan.
Is Michelle a liberal source now?
When did that happen?
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:59 PM
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Yes, you are right, and the NYT’s smear of Maverick about his hot relationship with a female lobbyist was a respectable piece of journalism. You can lead a horse to water, but can’t make him drink.
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Recall that we did not nominate him, but that’s a little beside the point. We have no elected leadership to do the teaching. Advancing Conservative goals is up to us now.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I thought liberals were dumb like sheep until now. The “moderate” Republican brand will lose big in November. Blame game starts then.
Angry Dumbo on April 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Given a choice between a Conservative/Libertarian and a ” ‘Real’ Republican”, I’m with Barry Goldwater.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Frankly I found the very idea of old man McCain having sex with a young woman to be rather icky, but to each his own I suppose.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:09 PM
I’m nourishing two little conservative crumb crushers as we speak. If McCain gives me even a few more years breathing room, I’ll have them voting in time for 2016.
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Best to have some checks and balances, I think. I don’t find the thought of an unchecked, hard right Congress and president in power forever, as a particularly healthy thing. The trick is to keep the arrow pointed somewhere between center and far right over the long haul. Unfortunately, our system doesn’t allow averaging results.:)
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Hey, I think Republican “brand” is not doing to good, period. If anything makes McCain a viable candidate is that he has not been afraid to take his fellow Republican colleagues to task.
terryannonline on April 10, 2008 at 3:14 PM
AttaDad. Working on 5 grandkids myself and #6 in the oven! Audiobooks work very well; they are fascinated. The older one (13) already sees and reports examples of liberal indoctrination in his middle school, especially on global warming.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM
But it wouldn’t be a hard right,unchecked pres. and congress in power forever. It would just be a re-set of the gauge. I’m a centrist, from the 50′s and 60′s prob.
The “hard right” would just splinter itself into a new right and left. I’m not advocating fascism. Im advocating the elimination of liberalism and socialism from our scene. Were we a fascist nation prior to the 60′s?
JiangxiDad on April 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM
The perfect Conservative is an ideal that has never happened yet.Do not make that ideal of a perfect Conservative leader you believe exists somewhere over the rainbow turn you against a good leader with conservative principles. The american tradition since Geo. Washington counts on a McCain type President to steer the nation with Honor and with an attidude that treats opponents with courtesy.What more do you want?
jimw on April 10, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Republican must stand for something more than winning or it stands for nothing.
Telling me to vote for McCain because he is better than the alternative?
You might as well tell me to vote for Hillary.
Angry Dumbo on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Well said and I couldn’t agree with you more.
It is, after all, about winning. We are in desperate times and there are clear choices about how those desperations will be handled. Clearly there will also be a Democratic congress, both chambers and the possibility of a super majority in the Senate.
For me, I’ve not made the sacrifice in this WoT as others have made. I’ve only had to tap my bank account to support those who have sacrificed much more than I have to get us to the point in our mission to defeat the enemy. BUT I can make the sacrifice of not really being thrilled that McCain is the GOP choice and stand up and support him as much as I possibility can so that those that have sacrificed far more than I have will not have done so it vain.
Texas Gal on April 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
I’m voitng for McCain, because I hope he has coattails, and that his coattails will help mitigate if not halt the losses in Congress.
VDH and others are making the case that Republican Congressional wannabes should be making: “Governement policies are causing much of the economic woe you’re suffering. Vote for us as we undo the Nancy “Palamino” Pelosi congress.
Iblis on April 10, 2008 at 3:25 PM
O.K., I’m with you now.
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Juan McCain shouting at Republican Senator John Cornyn: “#uck you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room!”
Do you mean things like that?
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM
After his inauguration, which country will you Streisand to?
THE CHOSEN ONE on April 10, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Or maybe you mean something like this?
When McCain spoke about [illegal] immigration at the BCTD conference, the crowd began booing, with one participant honing in on the real issue, shouting: “Pay a decent wage!”
McCain’s response? [Illegal] Immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted.
But that wasn’t enough of an insult. McCain then offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.
When some union leaders said they’d accept his offer, the expensive-suited Washington, D.C., politician responded: “You can’t do it, my friends.”
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM
As is so often the case, your thinking is uncoordinated.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 3:45 PM
No particular fan of McCain am I, but political realities say that he is certainly better than Obmanation or Madame Hillary! at the helm.
Mark Krikorian has this intriguin tidbit over at NRO’s “The Corner” via The Politico”
onlineanalyst on April 10, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Yeah!! Like Howard Dean understands anything.!!!
jeanie on April 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM
MB4, the time to debate the merits of a McCain candidacy are over. He won the Republican primary. He is the Republican candidate. Now you must decide. You have 4 choices:
1. Hold you nose and vote for McCain.
2. Vote for the Democrat candidate.
3. Vote for a third party candidate.
4. Stay home and do not vote.
Given the nature of U.S. politics, if you do not choose option 1, you are by default choosing option 2. A third party candidate cannot win, and in a close election, staying home equals voting for the Democrat.
How can an intelligent conservative think that McCain is no better than Obama/Clinton? Do you think that McCain’s Supreme Court nominees will be the same as Obama/Clinton’s nominees? Do you think that McCain will immediately pull the troops out of Iraq in ignomy? Do you think that McCain’s fiscal policy will be as disastrous as Obama/Clinton?
You made your point about McCain not being your ideal candidate. Many of us agree with you. Now that push comes to shove, though, will you pull the lever for McCain? If yes, then perhaps it is time for you to stop slamming him in these comments.
DCGamer on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Zogby’s not an “internal poll”.
Chuck Schick on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM
And I’d prefer to eat less $hit come January.
Chuck Schick on April 10, 2008 at 4:40 PM
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