Coming soon: Huckabee touts mystery announcement; Update: “New political entity”?
posted at 2:30 pm on April 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Prime fodder for a slow news day. The countdown clock points to April 15, which means smart money is on something having to do with the Fair Tax, but NBC notes that he’s giving a speech that night at Cornell on religion. Any guesses? I’m thinking a remake of “Voyagers” with Chuck Norris as Phineas and Huck in the Meeno Peluce role. Or, just possibly, the unveiling of a new PAC.
Exit question: Is he really going to make taxes the cornerstone of Huckabee 2.0? It’s red meat, but at this moment in time just sort of … random.
Update: Headlines comments imported!
Update: His daughter told NBC that the countdown had to do with a website redesign. It’s a little more ambitious than that:
Mike Huckabee will hold a conference call with supporters tomorrow night to discuss his plans for a new political entity and to assure them that he plans to keep an active presence in this campaign and in future cycles, according to an aide.
He’ll be joined on the call by Steve Strang, a Christian publisher and Huckabee backer whose magazine, “Charisma,” just ran a very flattering cover piece on the former candidate that touts his future prospects.
“You will hear insider information about Huckabee’s scrappy campaign that surprised the nation and stunned Republican Party elites,” promises Strang in an email to Huckabee backers. “The ‘preacher who dared to be president’ will also discuss his plans for the future and reflect on the changing state of the conservative movement.”
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SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Ah, way to stay true to the cause and use Romney’s wealth against him. Smart strategy.
I’ll admit I supported Romney in the primary, but I think the GOP has decided to stand behind McCain and Ill support that as we look towards the General. I don’t think the Christian vote split to prevent Romney, he was pooling very well with that group. I’m a Christian, and I don’t think Huck has a chance at entering the Oval Office,
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Hmmm, seems LovsJC’s a Huck fan and donor, according to Googling the name.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Enough said…
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Well, that was quite amusing. Niters everybody. Bout to pass out, and still have 2 work days left.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 1:36 AM
BTW I didn’t use Romeny’s money against him…I specifically mentioned his smear campaign against Huckabee.
If he was foolish enough to blow $150 million on a presidential campaign with ZERO chance of winning…that’s his problem.
But now that you bring it up. Money did seem to come easy to him considering he was rich to begin with and the only reason they had him join Bain was because his Dad was a rich governor.
You don’t have to be a genius to figure out how to make money with leveraged buyouts.
It’s very simple…leverage your money, buy a company…fire a ton of people and viola you’ve improved the value of the company drastically.
It would have been a big NEGATIVE in the general election.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:40 AM
ROFL!!!
BTW, St. Olaf: By “Christian” Huckabee supporters who think Catholics are not Christians? The ones who say some of the most hateful things about Pope Benedict XVI this side of Istanbul? And I am not speaking hypothetical. I am speaking of multiple (more than at least 50 different people) “Huckabee Christians” telling me that unless I reject the Pope I am not Christian. It didn’t matter to them that Jesus is my path to Salvation to the Father – they called me names and proclaimed me “unChristian.” But that was not the reason I still believe he sucks as a candidate (just like McVain) is the “closing of Gitmo.” I guess we’ll just eminent domain (via Kelo) the space Huckyboy wanted to give the Mexican Govt (aka “La Raza”) and use it to house the Gitmo Guys? He is a novice at best and fool most likely….imho.
Branch Rickey on April 10, 2008 at 1:48 AM
Well if you go to Huckabee’s website….it has a big clock counting down and it has Mccain’s one star slogan on it.
Well if Mike is going to be VP that sounds good!
That’s the only plausible scenario in which I would vote for Mccain.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Since I was quoted in the thread RB quoted to “refute” his argument, for my part I would like to state the obvious.
Huckabee said something witty and elicited natural positive responses in a debate thread (which shocka! is why the quote lacks context). This is not unsimilar to watching Kansas beat Memphis and standing up and emphatically saying that players name when they made a good play. That doesn’t mean I think the player should president. Nor I want to marry all the women I have complemented in some way through my life.
Your example, at least for my own sake is meaningless. You gave it meaning by putting it in context. It’s misrepresented, intentional or not.
Spirit of 1776 on April 10, 2008 at 1:53 AM
I never said that Branch, I think many Catholics are True Christians.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Perhaps he’s “building a religion?”
sanantonian on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 AM
I was trying to point out that he though I have encountered many of his supporters who just outright dismiss Catholics as not Christians that my differences with him had nothing to do with religion but gave a specific policy difference.
Branch Rickey on April 10, 2008 at 1:57 AM
I think many people here were turned off to Huckabee by Romeny’s smear campaign.
He smeared him about pardons (which turned to to be false)
He smeared him with tuition breaks to illegals(also false it was only for American citizens)
…and many many other false stories.
They were all refuted but people here continue to rabidly hate him.
It just proves my point about the Christian persecution.
They hated him because he was a Christian pastor, face it.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:02 AM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:40 AM
Good to know you figured out that economic strategy, you put into action yet?
Huck seems like a nice guy, but I completely disagree with him on several issues. mainly his populist ideal that he has expressed. Also, America doesn’t need a leader that bases a citizens value on where their religious belief lie. He should use his beliefs as a foundation, but realize people have the right to choose. He cant unify a country if belittles its members for containing viewpoints outside his own. That will only distance people from him rather than draw them to him. Thats my problem with Huckster.
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:08 AM
er, I mean doesnt base on religious values. Honest mistake
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:10 AM
sanantonian on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Nice
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Can a snake-oil salesmen convince people a dove is velociraptor? While simultaneously believing he is a snake-oil salesmen? You’re stretching.
Everbody is a victim these days. Dems/Reps/Lib/Cons/Chr/Ath. Where are the grown-ups, again?
Sigh. Night, you guys have fun.
Spirit of 1776 on April 10, 2008 at 2:14 AM
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
Does anybody realize that is Mccain’s logo on Huck’s site?
VP!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:14 AM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:02 AM
Remember this?
And then there’s this.
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:16 AM
Every good Christian ought to line up and kick
Jerry FalwellMike Hukabee [updated] right in the ass.- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:19 AM
Well it looks like you’re all going to have to learn to love him. http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
And I’ll just have to learn to bite my tongue about McShame until the general election is over.
I can wait and work towards Mccain’s impeachment after that.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:25 AM
If they succeed in establishing religion as a basic Republican Party tenet, they could do us in. When you say ‘radical right’ today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee [updated] and others who are trying to take the
Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
Well, I’ve spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the ‘Old Conservatism.’ And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of these groups have little or nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars. Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers?
The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others, less the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. We have succeeded for over 200 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn’t stop now. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic.
Ever good Christian should line up and kick
JerryMike Huckabee [updated] in the a$$.Falwell
- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:26 AM
No! Do not do that. I am sure not going to bite my tongue about Juan. You shouldn’t either.
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:30 AM
The thing is, SaintOlaf, that many of us here obviously know more about Huckabee than you do. Either you’ve fallen for the Hucksters spin or are intentionally being deceitful about his record. I hope for your sake you are only naive because otherwise, by your own professed standards: “on judgement day you will certainly be cast into the lake of fire, to be tortured and suffer for eternity in Hell!”
That’s simply not true. I’ve seen video of Huckabee himself admitting that illegal aliens would have benefited from his program by receiving tuition breaks not granted to American citizens from other states.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Way to be a good Christian, thats leading by example
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:31 AM
You have your political icon and I have mine.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:35 AM
That would be funny.
desertdweller on April 10, 2008 at 2:40 AM
The Government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion.
- John Adams
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
- James Madison
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
- Thomas Jefferson
MB4 on April 10, 2008 at 2:42 AM
Night ya’ll, its been fun
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 2:44 AM
And this, the first video in particular.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 2:49 AM
FloatingRock,
Even if you are right it doesn’t change the fact that Mike Huckabee is a great leader and opposes any sort of annexation of mexico and will oppose any bill or resolution that infringes upon our sovereignty!
Reagan, Huckabee, National Sovereignty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b2nNwj_gzw
What we need
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wWiLb9oFc
Immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJN0aD01vA
Immigration islam and energy independence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HSO5UxRxo
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 2:58 AM
FloatingRock,
Even if you are right about that it does not change the fact that Mike Huckabee is a great leader and opposes any sort of annexation of mexico and will oppose any sort of bill or resolution that infringes on our national sovereignty!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b2nNwj_gzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-wWiLb9oFc
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 3:02 AM
Huckabee on immigration,islam and energy independence!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPJN0aD01vA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HSO5UxRxo
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 3:03 AM
SoCon red meat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlGnnwrl1Z4
Go Mike!
VP!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 3:07 AM
Huckabee supporters know all they need to know about Huckabee and that’s that Mike Huckabee is a “TRUE CHRISTIAN”(TM) just like them and not a cultists like, well, the rest of us who aren’t “TRUE CHRISTIANS”(TM).
But most importantly, they know that Huckabee IS NOT a Mormon, which, from what I gather from rants of Olaff and the rest of the fundy trolls, is apparently worse than or akin to being a Satanist.
I’m not entirely clear as their rants are written in a language in which I am not fluent: Troglodyte.
SuperCool on April 10, 2008 at 3:13 AM
Even if? I AM right, go look at the videos we linked to just above, there’s absolutely no question about it.
I’m about to turn in for the night and don’t have time to watch the videos you’ve linked to but I’m assuming that they are from late in the primary campaign after Huckabee did a complete 180 on the issue of illegal immigration.
If so, the question then becomes, was Huckabee lying about his position on illegal immigration in the two videos Patriot and I linked to or was he lying in the videos you’ve linked to? And since he lied in one case or the other isn’t he supposed to spend the rest of eternity soaking in a lake of fire and so forth?
And if you claim that he wasn’t lying in either case, please explain the discrepancy without any references to divine inspiration. Show us a video or a quote, in Huckabee’s own words, of Huckabee explaining his total transformation on the issue in the midst of his quest for the most powerful office in the world. If such a quote exists I’d like to see it, but I don’t think it does.
Don’t allow yourself to be condemned to an eternity of Hell fire by supporting Huckabee, SaintOlaf.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 AM
There’s no doubt about it. Some of them don’t even try to hide it or else aren’t very successful at it.
‘Night all.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 3:27 AM
sanantonian on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Finally, a Cake reference!
About damn time.
Gerard on April 10, 2008 at 3:47 AM
At St. Loaf finally took Red’s pill and ran with it. Good job nuking the post HATER. Dude your Pharisaic Evangelicanism is repugnant and the polar opposite of Christ’s teachings. Did you receive a calling to go and espouse hate and venom to get all of us to “change our ways?” Is that how Christ works? Get over yourself and first focus on your house. If anyone thought of looking into Christianity, they are undoubtedly turned off by your incessant rambling. Great, you can use cut and paste and various other keyboarding skills, we get it. Now try practicing humility and brotherly love and kindness.
Cold Steel on April 10, 2008 at 7:17 AM
As we can sit and smile at the fact that Huck is on the sideline, and you are wasting your time going after McCain.
Huckabee is a faux Christian, hardly the man I would follow in the pulpit.
Explicitly, Christ stated you can’t serve two masters…There just can’t be any biblical support of a man who preaches the word of God (believe, yes, influences his decision, yes, but dedicates his life to exactly follow Christ and be Christ like,no), and is a political ruler. Christ knew that, the decisions to be made are to conflicting. That is why he said you must follow the government, not fight it. No where does Christ say,”pick up the cross and be a politician”. The politicians of today are the tax collectors of Christ’s time (you don’t see that Christian?)…did Christ allow his disciples to continue collecting taxes?
right2bright on April 10, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Now up to 4 pages of comments…
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 10:09 AM
You don’t know much about the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, do you?
You don’t know much about George Washington, do you?
You don’t know much about Abraham Lincoln, do you?
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM
While a agree with Huckabee on a lot of the issues (or at least more so than I do with McCain, Obama and Clinton) he for some reason gives me a chill. He just gives me the impression that as POTUS he’d essentially turn this country into the Christian version of Iran. His own comment regarding bringing the Constitution in line with the word of God struck me as… wrong. Faith is a personal matter in this country, not a national one IMO.
Unreasonable fear on my part perhaps but that’s how I feel about him.
Yakko77 on April 10, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Oh boy, here we go again.
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 10:42 AM
For those who want to know the truth about the
Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States, I recommend this book.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Huckabee is a sock puppet for the Clintons, hoping to split off the religious right from the republican party. Only if Clinton wins the democratic nomination will he try any third party activity. Assuming Obama wins the democratic nomination, he will disappear, as Clinton would then need McCain to win this year, in order for her to mount a challenge in 2012.
Think_b4_speaking on April 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I don’t disagree that the United States Govt was, and continues to be, heavily influenced by Christianity. But the president should be one that protects the freedom of all Americans, any race, religion or creed. I don’t believe Huck could do that.
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM
sighs… this is like watching the little space man on MTV on their countdown, way back when.
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Hucka-carter is going to announce to the formation of a political party and his own third-party candidacy because McCain rejected his efforts to get the VP slot.
secarr on April 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Precisely: Hucka-carter = Bitter (Table of 1)
SkinnerVic on April 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Has this become a religious site? I personally think that Huckabee came from underneath the rock on top of which rests the bottom of the barrel of politicians. Romney would have been a better choice than McCain but he was torpedoed by an army of Christian zealots representing some of its many “true and unique path” sub cults. Islam is an integrated political-religious construct and I always thought that Christ’s “yield unto Caesar” remark meant that he would have kept religion out of politics.
If many conservatives wish to pass the summer in a vacuous religious cat fight then get used to saying Mr. President B. Husein Obama, paying $6 a gallon to finance Islamic outreach programs so that we may all be able to read the Qur’an in Spanish and pray in Arabic (as required).
Annar on April 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM
THANK YOU!!!
I could actually see myself listening to what this man has to say about religion.
beefytee on April 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM
I mean no unkindness but this was a healthy, vigorous site before you came aboard.
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 12:04 PM
I’m one of the Catholics Hucky and Co. say are going to hell. Talibangelist Dork……
adamsmith on April 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Americans For Fair Taxation Candidates’ Scorecard
That page is very interesting…it doesn’t even mention Huckabee, although he clearly supports the Fair Tax. It is interesting to see the responses from other candidates. Alan Keyes’ response is my favorite.
McCain, Clinton, and Obama are all against it, but won’t be honest about it. McCain tries to deceive with the “30%” myth. Clinton and Obama simply won’t talk about it.
If we push the issue in the Senate, all three of them will be forced to take a stand. Will they defend the socialist taxation system created by the not-legally-ratified 16th Amendment and Income Tax Act of 1913, or will they support a fair taxation system (like the one on which this country was founded)?
Here are answers to four other fair tax myths.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Back that up. Provide a link where either Huckabee or I ever said that about Catholics.
My wife was raised Catholic, and I find your comment extremely offensive.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Go Hillary. I donated $75 in the last couple weeks to Hillary, and am going to donate more. She’s ten times the conservative that John McCain is.
Snake307 on April 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM
So you, as a presumed conservative, are sending money to a candidate who voted:
1) Against the confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts
2) Against the confirmation of Justice Samuel Alito
3) Against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban
Yeah, that makes her “ten times the conservative that John McCain is”…
NOT!
In my opinion, it appears that Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John McCain are all socialists, and giving money to (and/or voting for) any of those three is a big mistake.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 12:58 PM
So I read that people think Huck is going to run 3rd party?
I wouldn’t be suprised if he tried but he has absolutely NO CHANCE of winning the POTUS. I have a better chance of welding a snowball to the hood of my car than Huck has of winning a general. Man, this just gets more and more wierd as each day passes.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM
I’m not saying the site is a success due to me. I was making a statement about the number of comments in this thread. I don’t know what the average # of comments for a thread is, but I would guess that this thread is above average.
I have been a reader/viewer of HotAir since Michelle started it on April 24, 2006 (and a contributor to the comments since September 25, 2006). Michelle Malkin is a True American Heroine in my eyes. Most of us can’t even begin to understand the hatred she endures from others as she speaks the truth. She knows as well as anyone else that those who can’t handle the truth try to silence those who speak it.
I will not be silent. I will not submit.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM
SaintOlaf,
Assuming you’re not just a parody troll, I’m a Christian, conservative politically and prolife, as is my gf. We both do not like Mike Huckabee because of his political positions and because of the way he has tried to use the Christian faith as indentity politics.
aikidoka on April 10, 2008 at 1:34 PM
So I read that people think Huck is going to run 3rd party?
I wouldn’t be suprised if he tried but he has absolutely NO CHANCE of winning the POTUS. I have a better chance of welding a snowball to the hood of my car than Huck has of winning a general. Man, this just gets more and more wierd as each day passes.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM
If Hucky forms a third party and runs, it won’t be because he has any realistic chance of winning. It will be to increase his personal power and influence along with building a sustaining a base that will support his future efforts. Even in this election he could have considerable influence by selling his endorsement and, presumably, the votes of his supporters to the highest bidder (D or R). In a tight race between McCain and Hillbama, even the few percentage points Huckacartercould deliver might be enough to tip the scales in a key state or two. Such a move would allow Hucky to punch far, far above his weight class and reap political rewards far above his own ability to obtain without the backing of a party leader. I think Huck would like to form a Christian/evengelical based third party that could reliably deliver a bloc of votes on a consistent basis. Not too different than what some influential pastors/religious leaders and labor unions already do, but Huck’s efforts would be more blatantly political in the sense that Huckaparty would be selecting and running candidates instead of just endorsing and would represent a melding of religious and political goals. Maybe Huck’s not that ambitious and just wants to form another Christian Coalition-type PAC, but I still suspect he wants to form a nominally “centrist” third party with an overtly Christian agenda that reflects Huckacarter’s own personal Christian socialist beliefs.
secarr on April 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
On February 7, 2008, the Holy Spirit told me that Mike Huckabee is the next President of the United States. I took that God-given prophecy about Huckabee and added my own thoughts about who the other three candidates would be, and shared it here on HotAir as a “prediction” just after midnight:
The Holy Spirit didn’t tell me any details of how Huckabee will become the next POTUS, only that it will happen. (I think God’s not telling me because I would share the details here, and He has His own plan for revealing things at the right time.) Every time I ask for more details, He tells me this.
I’m not in favor of Huckabee being McCain’s VP.
I believe, through a miracle, Huckabee will be the Republican Presidential nominee.
I’m not in favor of Huckabee running 3rd party, but it might be possible that we could end up with a four-way race this November: (in alphabetical order) Clinton, Huckabee, McCain, Obama.
Don’t say that couldn’t happen…there is historical precedent for it. A very constitutionally intriguing example is the United States presidential election of 1824.
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Huck is to the Evangelisticals!
as
Paul is to the Nut Roots?
Yes, this is when I call it scarey!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM
If another HA poster says the Holy Spirit spoke to him/her with a different batting lineup and that one comes true in November instead of the one you received, how will you explain it?
a capella on April 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM
The Holy Spirit wouldn’t have told you that, it must have been Satan or one of his minions. Why would the Holy Spirit want Huckabee, a man who speaks with a forked tongue, to be the President of the USA?
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Well it looks the cat is out of the bag a little early. I can’t believe that nobody guessed this.
Ars Moriendi on April 10, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Wow. So were you praying on this or did he just come out and start talking to you in the shower or something?
I guess if it comes true, I will believe but right now, I can’t fathom it.
Has he told you anything else?
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM
FloatingRock, I never said that true Christians would only vote Huckabee…that’s not true…many do not vote etc.
But most true Christians will recognize that America is in an extreme state of corruption and unrighteousness.God does talk about how He will spare judgment on unrighteous nations if they repent and become righteous.
What are the chances of America becoming a righteous nation again? I don’t know. But I do think electing a man of God like Mike Huckabee,a Christian pastor, would be a step in the right direction.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 3:21 PM
We lost the right to be called a righteous nation when we slaughtered the indians.
I love America. I am so proud to be an American. I know we have done many, many great things and have been saviors to a lot of countries in need. Somehow righteous just doesn’t fit for me though.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Geronimo,
This nation you may not call “righteous” has been on the right side of history a whole lot longer than it’s been on the wrong side. By separating church and state, the Americans are the only ones in the West left with an intact church life. America does much more right than it has ever done wrong.
Many righteous people have done bad things in their past. But they are still regarded as righteous:Oskar Schindler, MLK, Lincoln, Thomas Beckett…
A right bunch of party boys most of them. Yet when it counted, they acted righteously. America, for all her flaws and past indiscretions is acting righteously in the Middle East.
Righteousness is measured by a whole bunch more than how many times the nation’s leaders talk about Jesus or whoever. MLK wasn’t admired for his religious sermons. He was admired for his leadership. Beckett was canonized for standing up to his friend the King of England over the prerogatives of the Church and the State, and getting killed for his efforts—not for his praying.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Good points and I do know that we do probably more good for others than anyone else.
It’s just the word I guess I have issue with. I read righteous and immediatly thought of the Native Americans. It’s sort of a sore spot for me as I’ve traveled to some indian massacre sites and read a bit about the indian wars, not to get off topic.
I didn’t mean to raise any cackles, believe me, I love my country and know how blessed I am to live here.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Sorry, SaintOlaf, but you’ve already lost this debate. You said last night that lying is a sin yet although we’ve shown you video of Huckabee lying you have yet to address this glaring truth. I’ve asked you to, “Show us a video or a quote, in Huckabee’s own words, of Huckabee explaining his total transformation on the issue in the midst of his quest for the most powerful office in the world.”
Well? We’re waiting. Until then you need to reappraise your opinion of Huckabee in the context that he may not be a messenger of the Holy Spirit at all, but perhaps quite the opposite. I’m not a bible expert but doesn’t the devil also speak with a forked tongue?
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 4:09 PM
It is indeed sad what happened to the Native Americans. Doing a little genealogical research, I found I am likely to descend from a group of Native Americans who left their lands a decade before the Trail of Tears, in hopes of finding a place where they could be Cherokee in peace. Alas, it was not to be.
History is unfortunately filled with accounts of one group taking over land once occupied by another group.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Here’s some further information concerning my post above about Huckabee’s dishonesty:
So, SaintOlaf, by your own standards as expressed in this very thread, Huckabee isn’t a real Christian because he hasn’t stopped sinning.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM
I’m part Cherokee as well.
Geronimo on April 10, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Me too.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Where is this video you speak of,with Mike Huckabee lying?
I do doubt that you will be able to produce one.
Don’t get me wrong…I may be wrong about Huck, but I doubt it. I have never seen him sin, only stand up for his beliefs as unpopular with the atheist crowd as they are.
For all the vipers who dishonor me and try to discredit me, I will not bother to refute each one of your claims but I will point out that that 90% of the hate filled venomous lies against me are from mormons while the rest are mostly atheists(similar to the persecution Mike Huckabee faced).
Yes some who persecuted him were so called Christians.
But the fact is there are many,many false Christians,who are not saved and continue to live in sin!
Do you consider yourself a Christian?
If so do you continue sinning?
Do you look at internet porn?
Do you lust after women?(Jesus says “whoever looketh at a women to lust after her hath already committed adultery with her in his heart”)
Do you tell “little white lies”?
Do you blasheme God’s Holy name and use it to express disgust?
Do you not believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and came to earth to die for our sins?
Do you ever hate your brother unjustly(God equates unjust hatred with murder Matthew 5:21-22)
Do you have sex with your girlfriend outside of wedlock?
Do you practice homosexual sex?
Do you not believe the whole Word of God, as written in the Bible? If so that is idolatry.
Idolatry is when you invent a false god that conforms to your sin and allows it. Worshipping any false god that is not the God of the Bible is idolatry also.
If you consider yourself Christian and continue breaking God’s Law….then make no mistake about it YOU ARE NOT SAVED! Jesus says you will know them by their fruits…no good tree produces evil fruit.
Even I have suffered false conversion in the past….for 8 years I thought I was a Christian but continued in sin.
When I was truly born again I was given a new heart and new desires. Sin became “exceedingly sinful” in my eyes.
Yes we are truly saved by Faith in Jesus and by that faith alone….but if that faith does not produce righteousness then it is dead faith and false conversion.
The Bible says
No man thirsts for righteousness.
Righteousness is a supernatural thing..it only comes through Jesus Christ.
When you are born again, God gives you a NEW HEART that thirsts for righteousness and wants to obey God’s commandments.
This is the way to prove Jesus’s existence..repent turn from sin and trust in the blood of Jesus.
He promises to manifest himself to anyone who does this….you will know for certain.
It is idolatry to think that God is only a God of forgiveness and will forgive you for no reason. If He did He wouldn’t be a God of Justice, He would be corrupt.
When you are born again you will see that God is also a God of Holiness and Justice and Truth and you’ll tremble at the feet of God!
I only say this to you because I love you enough to warn you. I know I will become an object of ridicule here by many. But if one of you has ears to hear, it will be worth it.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Alright, I’m done with you. It was a pointless effort on my part to try introducing you to reality in the first place. Enjoy your stay in Huckatopia.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 5:41 PM
You may have never seen him sin, yet you are NOT God. Do not judge.
And get off your high horse and sactimonious “Thou Shalt Not Call Hucka a Name” crap and come back to earth!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Maybe you’re not aware of the fact that Jesus commands us to
?
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 6:18 PM
YOU AREN’T GOD!
upinak on April 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Double, oh, my.. what are we going to do with you? Don’t you know for every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness. For starters, you’ve stated at least one bold faced lie in your little smear attack. You called arguably one of the greatest creationsts to ever walk the planet anti-semetic, which is completely false. He loves Jewish people, as I do. And you used Wikedpedia which is is not a valid source at all.
Wikipedia Co-Founder Seeks to Start Over
“It has bothered me that I helped to get a project started, Wikipedia, that people are misusing . . . and has little chance of improving”
Is Wikipedia Reliable?
“There are now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory information in Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a reference source in universities and university-level professional schools. … This is made worse by the fact that Wikipedia is an automatic flow-through resource for other on-line sources”
False Wikipedia Biography:
“This is a highly personal story about Internet character assassination. It could be your story.”
Oh Noes!
“Prince Rainier III of Monaco married porn star American actress Pamela Anderson.” WHAT?
Wikipedia admin caught lying, posting attacks, & making coverup
“A good expose’ of how corrupt Wikipedia really is.”
Secondly, No. I’m not a “Truther”. I believe Islamic terrorists flew two airliners into the World Trade Center, collapsing both towers into flaming rubble, and crashed another aircraft into the Pentagon. And I think debris and fire damage from the collapse of the twin towers caused building 7 to go down. KH’s whole thing is whenever there is a crisis like the Twin Towers getting blown up, you had just better look behind the scenes to see what is really happening. Why is this going on? Sometimes there’s a reason for it, okay, like notice after a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it. Govt. always tries passing prohibitive gun control laws after another lone madman’s shooting spree. You know this right? And all it does is keeps the good law-abiding people from being able to have a defense against the criminals. But, hey, what’s one way for Government to control the people? Take their guns away. This is why the founding fathers put the right to keep and bare arms in the US constitution. To ensure the people always had the possibility of taking back their government, by force of arms, if necessary. I’m just saying there’s more going on in the background than you think my friend. Lot’s more.
Anyways, I’m not much into conspiracy theories. That’s not to say they’re not happening. I just have other things I’m interested in. But, while we’re on the subject, watch this movie. After you see this, you’ll never view things the same way again.
Bottom line: KH, and I, we disagree on a few things, but he loves the Lord and has helped many people get saved. He has done much valuable research in the area of creation science that deserves to be studied.
apacalyps on April 10, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Red Pill on April 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM
The Holy Spirit did NOT tell you such nonsense. Less credible is the notion that God didn’t give you details lest you blab the details to the world. Seriously, do you mean to tell us that if God asked you to keep a secret that you couldn’t keep your vow?
Strikes me as downright comical imagining a heavenly conversation where God tells the surrounding Saints, “I can tell Red Pill that Huck will win, but I can’t trust him with the details”.
Come to think of it, I don’t recall any prophet from the Good Book that spread His Word under an alias, let alone a reference to the matrix. All hail Mr. Smith.
But like all those sandwich-board wearing fools proclaiming the world will end on X date. I’ll be looking for you the morning after the GE trying to explain why you misunderstood the message.
What a putz!
AH_C on April 10, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Why did Allahpundit and Ed tease us yesterday with Red Pill? What does it take to get shut down on this site?
St. Oaf, Red Pill, apacalypto: put down your tinfoil hats and breathe. I believe in mysterious ways like the next guy, but you trolls are encroaching on the “kool aid zone.” I appreciate your faith and your desire to do well. With that said, each individual on this site is responsible for their own relationship with Christ. They don’t need you to mediate. O, you love to talk you some idolatry…. look inward brother, you’re setting yourself up as our chief judge, armed and ready to slam the door on anyone who doesn’t believe your special pseudo-religious brew.
Pill: I take God at His word when he states he detests lying. Huck plays very loose with the English language, please don’t project a burning bush experience on this charlatan.
Apacalypto: I’m happy to say I quit reading your posts. One says it all.
I do love how you knuckleheads work in shifts. Keep hope alive.
Cold Steel on April 10, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Coldsteel,
Idolatry? It was only a small part of the message. Hitting too close to home?
The Holy Spirit is convicting your spirit in a big way.
I will continue to pray for you.
Remember:
God bless!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 8:06 PM
ferverentfervent.SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 8:07 PM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 8:06 PM
Blessings to you and yours as well.
I’m well aware of my imperfections and shortcomings and how they impact my standing. Most here on this site have the intellect and motivation to comprehend and build their relationship with God. I, and I’m projecting that many others, don’t need constant brow beating from misguided zealots. Chanting out epithets and outlining each and every sin is so OT. What you are inadvertently doing is dumbing down the product. Look for other ways to get your point across without playing the religious card each and every time.
Cold Steel on April 10, 2008 at 8:20 PM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 5:27 PM
If a tree fell in a forest… The evidence is on the record, as noted by others, and waiting for your review.
Then he sins in secret, or rather unbeknownst to you. Newsflash, all Christians sin until their dying breath.
[SNIP]
Umm. Really? I’ve yet to see a hate-filled venomous lie against him amongst conservative commenters, OTOH, 90% of your posts can cahritably be labeled as untruths and misstatements.
Hucklebee was never persecuted. To claim otherwise is to bear falsehood. Mocked for his piousness? Yes! Threatened with death or harm for his faith? Absolutely not!
So you’re saying Christians who sin are false? According to the Apostles, Christians sin because of their human nature. For all your sanctimony, you’re nothing but filthy rags.
[SNIP]
I’ve always wondered why adamant crusaders against a given vice are always brought down from their high horse by the same vice. What is it about Internet porn that attracts you?
Just because you don’t lust after women doesn’t let you off the hook. By logical extension, whoever lusts after a man has already committed sodomy.
No such thing. A lie is a lie and you’ve regaled us with some whoppers
Ask Red Pill. Offending the Holy Ghost is unforgiveable compared to taking God’s name in vain which is forgiveable.
Exactly right. Our salvation isn’t predicated on pulling for Hucksteras you falsely teach
So your hatred of Mormons et al is justly?
That’s an artifact of the Puritans. Marriage is just a social ceremony. What matters to God is the implicit contract & obligations between the couple, hence common-law regs in some areas. Did Issac marry Rebecca before taking her into his tent? Was not Jesus descended from a whore (Judah & bastard son by another son’s ex-wife)? Did Ruth sin in bedding Boaz? In fact, on a side note, just because our society frowns on polygamy does not mean that a polygamist can’t be a Christian. Disqualified from leadership in church he is, but not from getting thru the Pearly Gates.
What’s with your obsession over various forms of sex? If you confess your sins, He will forgive you.
In that case, you definitely need to spend more time studying it and on your knees begging for compassion & understanding. Because nearly everything you’ve spouted has been warped. More so if Huckster is your semi-god.
Again, you thot process is warped and the quote out of context. But then again, we’ve tasted the fruition of your postings – yuck!
Reminds me of that pious Pharisee, “God, I thank you that I’m not a sinner like the rest” The problem with your eyes is that they’re way out of focus. Beams tend to do that when firmly lodged in there.
There’s a passage in the Bible that compares neophyte Christians to mature Christians. The mature Christian can digest doctrinal meat, while the young have to be milk-fed. Whose teat are you attached to? Mikey?
Believe me, I hesitated to fisk you, but your inane ramblings and idolatry of the Huckster demanded that I as a Christian set the record straight. It is abundantly clear that you are not qualified to discuss theology. IOW, shut the 4311 up and stick to the topic and leave theology out of it.
AH_C on April 10, 2008 at 8:33 PM
You say Jesus was the son of a whore and call yourself a Christian….you’re not fooling anyone buddy.
Look up the definition of persecution.
Do you have sex with your girlfriend outside of wedlock?
Actually no it’s not. It’s God’s Law. Having sex outside of marriage is breaking God’s Law. It is the definition of fornication.
Let me guess you think God’s Law does not apply to you specifically? Or maybe you think the Scripture is corrupted and that part is wrong. Well there are many other scripture’s that say the same thing and either way it is idolatry.
Actually you’re completely WRONG about that.
AH_C beleive what you want but make no mistake it…if you think you are not heading for an eternity in the lake of fire….you are sadly mistaken!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 11:00 PM
beleivebelieveSaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 11:06 PM
So says SaintOlaf, who probably thinks he’s a real live saint. Then there’s Red Pill, who discusses politics with God. It’s interesting that while delusions of persecution seem to be a common psychosis with Huckabee supporters, they simultaneously profess such fantastic political might that a 3rd party run by Huckabee would result in a landslide victory for their holy cause. This in spite of the fact that most people who consider themselves Christians aren’t Christians at all in their eyes and are in fact sinners that will spend an eternity in the lake of fire.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Yes and no. There was in fact a harlot in the line of Jesus, but it was not Tamar. It was Rahab, of Jericho. The reference is Matthew 1:5. Note that Salmon begat Boaz of Rachab, and Boaz begat Obed of Ruth, and Obed begat Jesse, and Jesse begat David the king. Which would make Rahab the great-great-grandmother of David the king.
Just to be clear, the Bible does not specifically say that Rahab was the same woman as in the story of Joshua and Jericho, but in these genealogies, the woman’s name is only mentioned if there is something very unusual about her. The only women mentioned in Matthew 1 are Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba.
Of these, Tamar once dressed up as a harlot to get her father-in-law to give her a child, which under the Old Testament law should have been done by one of her dead husband’s brothers. Rahab was a harlot who was rewarded for helping the spies of Israel escape. Ruth was a Gentile woman who was married to a son of Naomi, whose husband died. So she wound up remarrying to Boaz. Bathsheba was the wife of a Hittite, so presumably was a Hittite herself. If Tamar and Bathsheba were Gentiles, which seems likely, then the only women mentioned in the genealogies of Christ were Gentiles by birth.
But Tamar herself was no whore. She was the properly married wife of Judah’s oldest son. When her husband died childless, the Old Testament law was that her dead husband’s brother would produce children by her, but the children would be counted as the children of the dead brother.
Unfortunately, while Judah’s next oldest son apparently saw no problem with having sex with his dead brother’s widow, he refused to have children by her, which was really the only reason he was permitted to have sex with her to begin with. When he died, Judah promised Tamar his remaining son would do the task of giving her heirs. When Judah broke that promise, then and only then did Tamar dress up like a prostitute specifically to get a child by Judah. Manipulative and conniving, yes, but Judah had to admit that she was more in the right than he was, because he had promised the one thing she wanted — children — and then refused to take the steps that would give them.
So really, it’s not at all fair to call Tamar a whore. However, it would be completely fair to say that Judah visited a whore, because that’s what he thought Tamar was when he had sex with her.
And at this point, I have to ask, why the double standard? If it was wrong for Tamar to pretend to be a whore, it was much worse for Judah to actually visit what he thought was a whore.
Apparently, when the Pharisees brought the adulterous woman to Jesus to be stoned, saying they had caught her “in the very act” of adultery, it was not at all unusual that they caught a woman in the act of adultery without somehow catching the man.
tom on April 11, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Is that why you throw stones?
Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 2:16 AM
Oh yeah, that guy was hilarious. I used to watch him as a kid; I especially liked when the funny music turned on and he started running around in fast motion…
Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 2:18 AM
Well, actually he and apacalyps [sic] do consider themselves such arbiters, as you can see, if you have seven or eight hours to spare, in this long, long discussion here. Some of us tried to get them to elaborate on the principles whereon men are or are not to be called Christian, but the judgement turned out to be very arbitrary indeed.
As for applicability to the topic at hand, well, these heavy thinkers are a couple of Huckabee’s supporters. You can decide for yourself whether they’re a representative sample.
Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 2:25 AM
You may think this old-earther is just taking the mick, but he really does seem to think this way.
More here as well, if you can stand it. Love Them Grassroots!
Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 2:29 AM
That was always my favorite part too. Well, that and the occasional glimpse of a naked booby.
I know, SaintOlaf, you don’t have to tell me: I’m going to spend an eternity soaking in the lake of fire.
P.S. But at least I’ll be able to look at naked boobies there, right?
FloatingRock on April 11, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Tzetzes on April 11, 2008 at 2:29 AM
Thanks for coming out again Tzetzes. I thought St. O strictly relied on KJV, now he’s running around talking on fallen angels? Someone really needs to crack him open to see what else is in there. AP, please post more So-con articles so that these patron saints of this blog can display their wares in full glory. Huckabee, pagans, naked boobies, fallen angels, eternal damnation, giant skeletons, all in the same post. AWESOME.
Cold Steel on April 11, 2008 at 7:21 AM
I’ve got a lot going on in my personal life, including doing my tax returns (hopefully for the next-to-last time), so my posting will be less frequent for a bit, but I did want to respond to the question above.
If you really are seeking an answer to your question, listen to this song and read the lyrics.
Red Pill on April 11, 2008 at 9:26 AM
Right on – not to mention Cake, OLAP, and Butthead. It’s been a whopper. Maybe Tzetzes will help me out here as I actually have cobbled something together as a thought/trend I’m seeing here… I’ll post it here soon, gotta run.
SkinnerVic on April 11, 2008 at 10:59 AM
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