Coming soon: Huckabee touts mystery announcement; Update: “New political entity”?
posted at 2:30 pm on April 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Prime fodder for a slow news day. The countdown clock points to April 15, which means smart money is on something having to do with the Fair Tax, but NBC notes that he’s giving a speech that night at Cornell on religion. Any guesses? I’m thinking a remake of “Voyagers” with Chuck Norris as Phineas and Huck in the Meeno Peluce role. Or, just possibly, the unveiling of a new PAC.
Exit question: Is he really going to make taxes the cornerstone of Huckabee 2.0? It’s red meat, but at this moment in time just sort of … random.
Update: Headlines comments imported!
Update: His daughter told NBC that the countdown had to do with a website redesign. It’s a little more ambitious than that:
Mike Huckabee will hold a conference call with supporters tomorrow night to discuss his plans for a new political entity and to assure them that he plans to keep an active presence in this campaign and in future cycles, according to an aide.
He’ll be joined on the call by Steve Strang, a Christian publisher and Huckabee backer whose magazine, “Charisma,” just ran a very flattering cover piece on the former candidate that touts his future prospects.
“You will hear insider information about Huckabee’s scrappy campaign that surprised the nation and stunned Republican Party elites,” promises Strang in an email to Huckabee backers. “The ‘preacher who dared to be president’ will also discuss his plans for the future and reflect on the changing state of the conservative movement.”
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Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Dude I don’t have the time or temperament to do a plus minus religious thread test that soothes your heart. I and others are not insulting Christians. (As this will undoubtedly start a firestorm, I consider myself Christian.) I jab ignorant knuckleheaded, blind-following of snake oil salesman posing as religionists.
Cold Steel on April 9, 2008 at 7:18 PM
What Huck sees is that TV and print media love spokespersons for special interest groups. Even if nobody within that group voted to name that particular person as their spokesman/woman, whenever something happens that affects that particular group, they want a number in their Blackberry they can call and get a quick sound bite or a person who can come on and debate the issue for a five-minute segment.
That’s the genius of people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred and even, on the right, people like Brent Bozell — when reporters or show hosts need someone to be their representative on issue x, y or z, if it involves African-Americans, women, the media, etc., they’re there to provide the appropriate talking points. It makes life easy for reporters or TV show bookers, and keeps that person in the spotlight for things like paid speaking fees and/or fundraising PACs future runs at political power.
Mike Huckabee is planning to become King of the Evangelicals when it comes to media face time. Got an issue that affects Christian fundamentalists? Mike wants TV and print people to have his phone number or e-mail on speed dial for the next four years. That way if McCain loses in November, or if he only serves one term, Huckabee will not have fallen out of the spotlight, and will be a recognizable name and a face with a perceived power base within the party, as the leader of the Christian right — even if many within the evangelical movement don’t want him as their leader and disagree with some of his domestic economic or foreign policy statements.
We’re still 7 1/2 months from Election Day 2008, and Campaign 2012 is about to get its first media event. For Huckabee, it’s apparently never to early to start thinking ahead, though I’m sure he’s hoping to fare better than Hillary’s campaign, when they started game-planning 2008 four years before the fact.
jon1979 on April 9, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Jeez… our only hope is that he teams up with Ralph Nader on his third-party ticket.
ErikTheRed on April 9, 2008 at 7:19 PM
I don’t think that’s an accurate description of Huckabee by any means.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Allahpundit, I thank you for your forbearance.
However, it is not necessary in Red Pill’s case. Someone who claims to be doing God’s work and bidding should be able to accept the consequences of his/her actions.
Red Pill is my brother (sister?) in Christ, but even the best of families have jerks in them.
davidk on April 9, 2008 at 7:26 PM
BTW: Huck should just get over it.
davidk on April 9, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:25 PM
So it’s ok for a pastor to remove anything not bolted down in the governor’s mansion? It’s ok for a pastor to go to mega-churches and give a sermon, errrr political speech, and then pass the plate? It’s ok for a pastor to espouse bigotry against another faith? It’s ok for a pastor to stage mock press conferences and then to dissemble his way out of them?
I guess snake oil salesman is a little rough. How about hypocritical pastor? Does that work better?
Cold Steel on April 9, 2008 at 7:30 PM
Wise Golden:
Of course our values inform our policies. Don’t you understand though that the President has to be the President of all the people. ALL people! That includes the Jews, the athiests, and of course the Mormons, whom you love to hate, and everyone in between. He doesn’t have to keep pushing it in our face. Those of us who watched the huckster know exactly what we are talking about with his bigotry.
Huckabee is the one who has made the Christians look stupid. Especially when he and others of his persuasion are the final judge on who is Christian. Put yourself in everyone else’s place. Can you imagine how the Mormons feel, how the Jews feel, and I guess especially the atheists? No one else is good enough. I don’t need a president like that.
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 7:42 PM
— Didn’t happen.
Didn’t happen.
Didn’t happen.
Didn’t happen.
Everything that you have said is An exaggeration or false. But here are the words that tell the story, “snake oil salesman.”
You don’t like Huckabee — I get it. That’s fine.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 7:42 PM
You have no right to say that I hate people of other faiths, or lack of faiths — I’ve never said that, and it’s not true.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Seriously — you’ve crossed a line. You need to take it back.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:43 PM
I don’t give two craps about Huck other then he is not who I choose to run thye Country. Get over it for God’s sake! All you are coming across is a deranged bible thumper who is ticked off Huck dropped out. Ugh!
upinak on April 9, 2008 at 7:48 PM
upinak on April 9, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Newsflash — he isn’t running anymore! It’s not an option to vote for him!
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:49 PM
As if McCain didn’t suck enough as the presumptive candidate,
Not funny anymore. John {McCain}, Mike{Huckabee} and Chuck{Norris}: bad things always happen in 3s. Huckabee is a Fred Phelps type in my opinion and that is not good…
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Wise Golden:
Are you kidding me? You have not been around long enough to hear all the hate that spews against the Mormons? Where is st olaf and apacalyps when you need them.
No forget that- we don’t need this to go for 5 pages. I thought I was being really nice - telling you that the president has to be president of all, not just evangelicals. Get a grip. No I’ve crossed no lines, just stating the truth.
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Newsflash.. and you are still upset about it. What a concept!
upinak on April 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM
ColdSteel - I couldn’t agree with you more about what drives people away. I also must admit that the thread the other day about Mitt and Mormonism - where there was a distinct absence of all but Mormons (where were the other Christians?) - and the usual suspects spouting their bigotry was another example of what drives people away.
I will fight Huckabee and his little ‘Bees’, who want to change the Constitution into a religious tract (the proposed amendments) and make this a theocracy, until I am gone.
I have my own morality that a belief in God/Higher power/whatever has instilled in me and I am getting very tired of people on the far left and the far right telling me how to live my life. And I’m tired of the hypocrisy of both.
Get religion (and Hucka’Bees’) out of it. Values yes, the tenets of the Constitution yes, the rest is destroying conservatism.
unaffiliated on April 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Gawd.
Um, Wise Golden? Red Pill just called. He wants his sanctimonious shtick back.
Splashman on April 9, 2008 at 7:56 PM
So basically it’ll be the Huckabee
CircleHalo Jerk.ReubenJCogburn on April 9, 2008 at 7:58 PM
It’s a simple matter to explain what’s happened, actually. Huckabee’s website is counting down to an unspecified event that is, “Coming soon”. This is practically an invitation for people to speculate about what the event might be, and when paired with the fact that Huckabee’s is spectacularly unpopular outside of a portion of the evangelical movement, it leads to what you’ve seen in this thread.
I’ve read the entire thread and I don’t recall seeing comments “insulting Christians” in general. At worse they’ve insulted “a Christian”, The Huckster, and perhaps in a few cases, his supporters.
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Not in the least. I just think it’s weird how much anger is generated over his counter.
Bambi — You made a statement directed at me personally. Re-read your comment. It sounds like you’re trying to now say that you meant “you” in the imperial sense, refering to all Christians or all supporters of Huckabee (which would be even worse) but it reads “you hate,” as in “Wise Golden Hates.” I’ve never said anything hateful — I challenge you to find it and site it. If I did — I’ll apologize. I defended Mormons, not the opposite.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 8:02 PM
I bet Huckabee really digs IBM computers.
Slublog on April 9, 2008 at 8:04 PM
‘Seminar Caller’ anyone?
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 8:05 PM
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 8:05 PM
What are you talking about? What have I said?
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 8:06 PM
upinak on April 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM
Not too many people are complaining that Huckabee dropped out. What some are pointing out is that there is absolutely no reason why a thread that simply points out that Huckabee is launching a new website in a week should generate so much ridiculous anti-Huckabee rhetoric, which inevitably leads to a ridiculous amount of anti-religious rhetoric.
I would think that it would serve conservatives well to reach out, not only to Huckabee, but also to his supporters. The strategy seems rather to be that calling them bigoted, stupid Christian theocrats would better advance the conservative cause.
medguy on April 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM
Hmmm, just kind of suspicious of some of your posts. Does the above help you “Wise Golden?”
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 8:12 PM
“That includes the Jews, the athiests, and of course the Mormons, whom you love to hate, and everyone in between.”
OK, I do mean a lot of the huckster supporters and the huckster himself. In case you don’t know I was in SL when huckabee came as a GOVERNOR to tell the Mormons that they are not Christian.
I guess I haven’t read enough of your posts to say if you support his bigotry or not. Is that the job of the governor of a state?
So if you feel differently I apologize.
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Seriously — what is a seminar caller?
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Bambi on April 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM
We don’t agree about Huckabee — that’s fine. I just wanted to clear up the verbage because I am nothing of what you’re describing.
Accepted! And honestly — I really admire that you gave it.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM
The problem with Huckster is that he’s the mirror image of a liberal libertine. He, like most progressives, believe it is the govt’s job to regulate the day to day existence of citizens as if they’re little kids.
Red Pill, this is brought to you from BibleGateway.com - 1 Cor 13:11.
When I was a child, I recall telling my mom there ought to be laws to “ban” non-believers and laws to enforce righteous living. She only smiled and said someday you’ll understand. Since then I’ve put away such childish fantasies.
Huckster has his sense of righteousness, well good for him, except I don’t want him pushing to codify his beliefs on me or anyone else. Unfortunately, you’ve been drinking the huckleberry koolaid.
Open your eyes, even among his own Baptist denomination, he hasn’t garnered majority support. For some, either the ministry was never his Calling, or he forsook the ministry to pursue power; in either case, constantly invoking his past as a minister is unseemly indeed. For others, he’s too progressive for their taste.
And that’s just the Baptists who don’t like him. Having watch the Huckster over the past year, I’m convinced that 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 is applicable to him.
You would do well to study up on the rift amongst the Southern Baptists, of which Jimmah Cartah used to represent the extreme left until he excommunicated himself.
As for God telling you to speak for him or otherwise prophesize in His name, methinks the voices in your head have pushed you into the lunatic fringe. (Matt 7:21-23 & Acts 19:13-16).
AH_C on April 9, 2008 at 8:22 PM
Yeah. That’s what I mean, but you said it better and much quicker.
Wise Golden on April 9, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Jetboy, I hope you are correct.
winemkr on April 9, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Caesar or God.
Bet you can guess which way I think the Huckster swings.
jrl on April 9, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Ding, Ding - We have a thread winner! Thank you for reading…
SkinnerVic on April 9, 2008 at 8:37 PM
Dude, because you will it does not make it so. Mere faith doesn’t right the Huckabee ship. I don’t have personal animus towards Huckabee (oh, maybe a little, but I’m working on it). I have disdain for his actions and words. Big difference. You can say “didn’t happen” all you want, but it doesn’t negate reality. That type of logic drives people to antagonize you and your sacred cows. It’s something that I thought only infected liberals, but I see similar strains with Huckabee. Just because you want something or will something, doesn’t mean it’s your given right or entitlement. Hucks resume′ and actions did not appeal to a majority of voters in many of the primaries. No amount of misplaced faith or internal wishing will compensate for that. I’m grateful that God gives us free will and determination. What a novel concept.
Cold Steel on April 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Y’know what? I ain’t a sucker. You know exactly about which I reference. Have a wonderful rest of the evening, Wise Golden. TTFN (Ta Ta For Now), BR
Branch Rickey on April 9, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Be careful talking in code, Wise and Pill will think you’re calling out the man’s sexuality.
Cold Steel on April 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM
No, snake oil salesman is on the mark. In the first several debates Huckabee was an avid open-borders sellout but when that wasn’t working for him he did a 180’ and claimed to support sovereignty instead—and pretended as though he always had by never acknowledging the change.
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 8:47 PM
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 8:47 PM
And here I thought Mitt had the Flipper market cornered. Don’t tell the Huck supporters. Hucks moral compass only points true north in their minds. Declaring divine intervention is a great way of covering up any “minor” campaign details.
Cold Steel on April 9, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Couldn’t the huckster just get a talk show or something and get his jollies competing with the Benny Hinn types?
aikidoka on April 9, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Be careful talking in code, Wise and Pill will think you’re calling out the man’s sexuality.
Cold Steel
I’ll refrain from expanding on that.
jrl on April 9, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Mike Huckabee, the man from God.
indythinker on April 9, 2008 at 9:12 PM
What? No, it’s simple. I’ll say it again. People don’t hate Huckabee because of his web page or his religion; they hate him because of Huckabee. The web page didn’t generate “ridiculous anti-Huckabee rhetoric” out of thin air, it was only a catalyst that invited humorous and witty speculation about what might be “coming soon”. It provided an opportunity that people have naturally exploited.
What did you expect, that everybody here would say: “Oooo, ahhh… I hope Huckabee runs on a 3rd party ticket.”, or, “I hope Huckabee’s new web site has some cool new pictures of him playing the bass.”? No, of course not. If you want to read foofy comments like that you should head over to an evangelical web site where Huckabee supporters hang out.
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Doesn’t the constitution demand the seperation of church and Hot Air?
Ax the turd. If I want to hear about jezuz I’ll go to the 700 club website.
I want to talk about allah and mohammad and aljezera.
winemkr on April 9, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Did you guy’s REally think it was gonna be that easy?? It’s not over yet. Like I said before, “We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!” – Winston Churchill
Ba-ha-ha, ba-ha-ha. Ba-ha-ha, ba-ha-ha.
apacalyps on April 9, 2008 at 9:17 PM
This entire thread is the confirmation of why Mike Huckabee and his likes should not be Potus.
His religion is not a qualification for POTUS and his secular resume leaves very much to be desired.
EJDolbow on April 9, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Well, at least he had the good sense to do all of his flipping before the debates began rather than in the midst of them. :)
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Wasn’t huckabee the guy who caused billy joe mccallister to jump off the tallahachee bridge?
peacenprosperity on April 9, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Are you guys ready for “The Huckabee Post”?
Instead of batsh!t crazy liberals blogging about the inane and superfluous, we’ll have batsh!t crazy evangelicals blogging about the inane and superfluous.
Nethicus on April 9, 2008 at 9:33 PM
And he probably made a tasteless joke about it afterwards. Because nothing says “Christian love” like humor based on death+bridges. (And for the record, I’m not mocking real Christians, who I don’t have a problem with, just hypocritical frauds like the Huckster.)
ReubenJCogburn on April 9, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Here, let me start my own rumor: Huckabee is threatening Mav that if he doesn’t pick him as VP, the Huckster will run as a 3rd party candidate, and has enough support to hand the election to Obama.
JustTruth101 on April 9, 2008 at 10:17 PM
People don’t hate Huckabee because of his web page or his religion; they hate him because of Huckabee.
Which is, I submit, ridiculous.
…it was only a catalyst that invited humorous and witty speculation about what might be “coming soon”.
Wit aside, it is clear what is coming soon: a new website. Hardly newsworthy. I submit that this thread’s purpose is not to give voice to speculations about what might be coming soon at a particular web site, but rather is merely another avenue for Hotair frequenters to direct their hate (you did, after all, just confirm it is hatred) towards Huckabee.
I suggest that rather than waiting to open a thread about Huckabee under the pretext of a news story, this site could simply adopt its very own regular “Hate Huckabee Thread” sort of like Hannity’s “Hate Hannity Hotline.” Perhaps it could start out as a weekly thread, and progress, according to popularity, into a more frequent pow-wow; perhaps it could develop into a daily event here at Hotair.
medguy on April 9, 2008 at 10:36 PM
All of our candidates have been mercilessly ridiculed on this site. Hated, truly hated, not so much.
I suggested once a long time ago: Please wipe the rim of the bitter cup before passing it to next guy to take a sip.
RushBaby on April 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Wow there certainly is a lot of bigotry against Huckabee here.
What do you think “it’s not bigotry because it’s just against Christians”? Wrong…it is bigotry and of the worst kind.
People who hate Christians,persecute them and deny Christ are very simply being used by the Anti-Christ spirit that is prevelant in today’s society.
Laugh it up now,while you can, because on judgement day you will certainly be cast into the lake of fire, to be tortured and suffer for eternity in Hell!
SaintOlaf on April 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Huckabee will certainly win in a third party run against a fractured democratic party with their muslim candidate(who will be exposed come the general) and against a disenfranchised republican party with a RINO/amnesty loving nomineee.
SaintOlaf on April 9, 2008 at 11:19 PM
He must have missed all the McCain love just flowing around here and over at MM not too long ago. /sarc
MedGuy - You act like this loathing of Mike is somehow exclusive to HotAir. How about you look at comments on JMart’s post on the subject. Not much different, eh?
The earlier that people see Mike for being interested in serving, Mike, the better off the GOP will be in this cycle. Unlike Mitt putting the sword down with some class and grace, we have Mike making a “new political organization” as JMart puts it.
SkinnerVic on April 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Huckabee ran a positive campaign and did well, Mitt spent a ton, flipped like Kerry, ran negative adds and got nowhere. Judging by some of the terrible things being posted here by the people who supported Mitt no wonder he did not do well. Huck will be around for a while, Mitt is the GOP Edwards.
arizonateacher on April 9, 2008 at 11:25 PM
We offically have a party with both Apacalyps and SaintOlaf now here - two of the resident Huckabee supporters.
Tell me Olaf, do you speak OLAP like RedPill? If so, you need to revisit my translation of Allah’s warning to him earlier when he tried to hijack the thread with fire and brimstone like you did in your 11:13PM post. He understood in under 4 minutes - I’m trying to help those are wanting to stir the stinking pot, to think twice as Allah’s in a no-crap-having-mood today.
Enough for me today - wife’s waiting for a nice evening!
SkinnerVic on April 9, 2008 at 11:27 PM
SO, what on earth does smacking down the Huckster have to do with bigotry, let alone judgement day? Your appeal to a higher authority on behalf of Hucklebee just shows that you haven’t a counterpoint to his exposed character/policy flaws.
As I’ve referenced earlier, the antichrist spirit is alive and well within the “christian” poseurs. If we hate the Huckster, it’s because he’s a self-promoting hypocrite. If you want to see bigotry, turn the mirror around or skate on over to DD/Daily Kooks.
PS, since you bring God into this, in the event that BHO or cHillary were to win the WH, would you recognize him/her as God’s annoited leader?
AH_C on April 9, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Mitt’s a joke. I hope he is VP so he can go the way of Jack Kemp when he got the slot from Dole. These guys are throwaway candidates.
I am glad to see Huck getting some press. This Obama McCain stuff is extremely boring and stupid. Obama will mop the floor with him at this pace. McCain’s mind is fading, he was much sharper in 2000. His best years are behind him. But Huck at least has some jokes and we are in dire need of some decent comedy, intentional or unintentional and Huck is great for both. Both primaries were abysmal and this country will go down the tubes either way, which we deserve, so send in the Clown. Some of you need to laugh a little before you vote for amnesty in November.
LevStrauss on April 9, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Now you’re getting it, although not precisely. It’s not so much an avenue as an opportunity. Hot Air didn’t influence Huckabee to put up a web page inviting rampant speculation; they only reported on its existence. While it’s true that Hot Air provided an avenue for our speculation, your implication that it’s intended to be restricted to vehicles carrying anti-Huckabee sentiment is disproved by the very fact that yourself and other Huckabee supporters here are driving on the same avenue as the rest of us.
Look, you can’t force people to like Huckabee. Huckabee and his supporters have to convince people to like Huckabee. And if I’m wrong, explain why. Why is it my fault that Huckabee is so dang unpopular?
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 11:43 PM
PS, since you bring God into this, in the event that BHO or cHillary were to win the WH, would you recognize him/her as God’s annoited leader?
AH_C on April 9, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Huh?
I don’t worship allah the false god of Barack Hussein Obama nor do I worship jezebel the pagan god of the Hildebeast.
I worship Yahweh the True God who created the universe and His Son, Jesus Christ the Lamb of God!
So many of you here result to personal insults against me and other Christians…it’s not a winning stategy.
Let me ask you…have you ever seen me sin?
No.
Neither have you seen Huckabee sin…he is a true man of God and that is precisely the reason you bitterly persecute him(which leads back to my point about the anti-Christ spirit).
OK
SaintOlaf on April 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM
SaintOlaf on April 9, 2008 at 11:19 PM
seriously? Come on…
Patriot811 on April 9, 2008 at 11:54 PM
So everybody who dislikes Huckabee, including a good share of evangelicals, are all bigoted against Christianity?
You should think these things through before you write them down for all to see.
I was a Fred supporter and he’s a Christian so how could my criticism of Huckabee be due to anti-Christian bigotry?
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 11:54 PM
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 11:43 PM
It’s also possible to like Huckabee as a personality, and to find his politics quaint and directed toward “special” Republicans who really have no real political ideology. Besides if Huckabee were to grab a large group of the “religious” right and the “positive” thinkers under his influence he would be easy to control, just throw him a financial bone and he’ll speak some voodoo and get his people to fall in line. He governs by one single philosophy and that philosophy is “eat well.” He’s great at creating a buzz with minimal capital and that talent should be respected.
LevStrauss on April 9, 2008 at 11:57 PM
By “RINO/amnesty loving”, do you mean McCain/Huckabee?
FloatingRock on April 9, 2008 at 11:58 PM
And will we be screaming, but nobody will come? I have heard this before.
The AOL username LovsJC wouldn’t mean anything to you, would it?
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Floating Rock,
Good point about the evangelicals.
The thing is many, many so called Christians are Christians in name only i.e. not real Christians at all.
Many have had false conversions.
The difference between a true conversion and a false conversion is with a true conversion one STOPS SINNING!
You will know them by their fruit..a good tree cannot produce evil fruit nor can a corrupt tree produce good fruit!
When someone experiences true conversion, they repent and turn from their sin and put their entire trust in Jesus Christ, the lamb of God. They are born again , they are given a new heart with new desires and they believe God’s word.
False Christians, who continue in sin, were never truly saved in the first place and have yet to be born again.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:05 AM
No. But it sounds like he cares enough about you to warn you.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Isn’t it a sin to tell an untruth? (and yes I just ’saw’ that)
Lord Nazh on April 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM
The vast majority of the people in America who dislike Huckabee are themselves Christian.
Rebuilding your straw man argument every time it is knocked down and burned to the ground doesn’t change the fact that it will forever remain a straw man.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Yes it is a sin to lie.
But no I don’t think Huckabee will run third party, but if he did I think he would win!
Actually, if Mccain picks Romney as VP…I do think Huckabee will run third party and definitely win!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:12 AM
No. But it sounds like he cares enough about you to warn you.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:13 AM
It looks familiar. When LovsJC decided to say many of these same things in Pagan Chat disrupting our conversations, some buddies and I tracked him down and found his real name. It was hilarious the next time he showed up and we went “HI ****!”
Didn’t hear much from him after that.
Quoting fixed.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Sekhmet,
Pagan Chat? Do you worship Hillary’s god osiris?
Does he require human sacrifices?
Because that is the common theme among all pagan gods from the druids to the mayans etc.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:19 AM
Olaf,
Egyptian religion records no human sacrifice in the Dynastic period. Offerings were of food, flowers, perfumes, and incense, much of which was recycled after the ceremony for the use of the temple and to feed the hungry.
And if Hillary is a follower of Osiris, she sure isn’t showing it, IMHO. Then again, she is trying to resurrect a dead campaign….
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:25 AM
But then you aren’t the final arbiter who determines who is sufficiently Christian, and whether or not a person supports Huckabee would not be likely to have any bearing on that determination.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM
BTW the new paganism is global warming hysteria and their god gaia!
He also requires human sacrifices.
The world is “overpopulated” and being “destroyed” by humans therefore the pagan god gaia requires the blood sacrifice of 5 billion humans to bring the population down to a reasonable 1 billion.
You think I’m kidding….that is really what they believe..the MSM pushes for it it daily. So does Mccain BTW.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM
I am not a fan of religions myself but have no problem with most religious people. People can BELIEVE whatever the hell they want, but political discussion occasionally involves REASON and religion is not a good developer of reason. It sets a ceiling, the issue of morality and genesis is a nicely packaged box with plenty of rewards if you just remain docile until you die. It dissuades true contemplation of morality and genesis and replaces it with, in my opinion, “thou shalts” and threats of condemnation which can be dangerous to some. Hell the first commandment is “No other Gods” which any organization has, except in this case the “oath of allegiance” is secured by the threat of condemnation. In other words, in my honest opinion, God blesses you with reason and threatens you not to use it. In the very best case I believe that Christ may have been radical in opposition to the Jewish leaders and a very good man, who was Deified by his followers as the Romans did with their rulers, and whose ministry was highjacked by Paul or you can say Paul created Christianity itself. But that is just my opinion. They have been plenty of Pauls since too.
LevStrauss on April 10, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I may be Pagan, but I’m not calling for any humans to be sacrificed. I am for winning this war, political freedom for all, and religious freedom.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Sekhmet,
The egyptians and all other pagan religions worshipped the fallen angels spoken of in Genesis 6, that fathered the race of giants called the Nephilim.
Remember they are fallen angels similar to satan(the devil)
Yes they had their side of their story but remember satan is the father of all lies!
Every culture from the greeks to egyptians to indians to mayans etc. etc. all worshipped the fallen angels and their half human offspring the nephilim.
Heard of the greek demi-gods? They were half human half fallen angel.
Apollo is mentioned in the Bible. He was a fallen angel like the rest of the pagan “gods”.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Well I called you out a big lie you told just last night
And your triumphant rebuttal, LOL
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Olaf,
I can say unflattering things about your pantheon as well, but they mostly are not true (much like what you said), and are quite rude to boot. How is my bagging on your religion going to cause you to listen to me?
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Rushbaby,
I am still waiting for my apology.
I went to all that trouble to prove my honesty and you follow up with accusing me again.
Well I don’t expect you to be honest with me when you are apparently unable to even be honest with yourself.
See this post: SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:12 AM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:43 AM
McCain won’t pick Romney as veep, they are too different. McCain said on Sunday morning that he is looking for someone that can step in and replace McCain while espousing the same values and conviction as McCain. Romney wants our guys able to torture, to keep Guantanamo open and to allow for proper surveillance. McCain is against all three. Mitt wants to close the borders, McCain wants to give everyone a free pass.
Huck will never win as a 3rd party candidate, he would just guarantee that the Dems win. It would prove that he is foolishly selfish. He already did that by not stepping out of the race earlier, a third party would seal the deal.
All of you Hucksters out there, are you FOR tuition breaks for illegals like Huckabee is?
cannonball on April 10, 2008 at 12:48 AM
You went to a great deal of trouble to quote a bunch of things from different threads. You did not point to one thread with unanimous support for Huckabee. You did not prove that everyone on that thread had once said something positive about Huckabee.
You did not prove that
The above statements are bald faced lies, and according to you, that makes you a sinner. You should repent and turn from your sin.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I’m not bagging on you sekhmet…just an honest discussion.
Have you ever heard of the Nephilim?
Do some research almost all cultures religions were directly related to them.
The Bible is very clear about this also.
The fallen angels came to earth bred with human females and created a race of giants called Nephilim.
The nephilim populated the earth and dominated it.
This was why the Global Flood was necessary..to wipe out the nephilim.
After the flood a much smaller % of fallen angels tried to repopulate the Holy land and were basically wiped out by Joshua,David etc.
Every culture on earth has the story of the global flood (over 600 stories on all continents)
Giant skeletons have been found on every continent on earth.
All pagan religions worship the fallen angels. Do some research.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:54 AM
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Why do you guys keep asking for an apology? Seriously, your worse than the libs
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 12:55 AM
Feeding Olaf his own medicine… Priceless!
SkinnerVic on April 10, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Olaf,
I’m beginning to think you are LovsJC. If so, it’s not just Pagans you’re annoying this time.
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 1:00 AM
cannonball on April 10, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Well Perot did pretty good. But Huckabee has a MUCH bigger base than perot ever had.
I do think a Christian ticket with Huckabee as nominee would be the most effective third party run we’ve ever seen.
As for your “tuition breaks for illegals” that is a complete mischaracterization, the scholarships were merit based and FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS…children of illegals born in America are by definition American citizens.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Rushbaby,
The inability to accept one’s own mistakes and apologize is a serious character flaw…so don’t worry about it..I won’t expect an apology from you. I’ll just continue to pity you until the day you grow up an apologize for accusing me of lying and then accusing me again after you were proved wrong!
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:05 AM
I return your regards.
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 1:07 AM
What makes you think this? Huck couldn’t win the GOP nomination. If anything it would bring more Christians to the polls in much of the same way Pat Robertson’s run in ‘88 did.
Patriot811 on April 10, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Feh, don’t waste your time on the Huck drones.
doubleplusundead on April 10, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Patriot,
No. The Christian vote got split three ways after Romenys $50 million smear campaign against Huckabee.
Then the Christian vote got split between Huck and Mccain(to prevent Romney).
But now the Christian right is EXTREMELY dissatisfied with Mccain and if Huck ran third party it would be a unified vote.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Right you are, as usual. Goodnight patriots!
RushBaby on April 10, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Sekhmet on April 10, 2008 at 1:00 AM
If I’m way off, kindly inform me…I don’t know maybe some pagans worship forces of nature like wind etc. but I believe the majority of them worship what I described.
SaintOlaf on April 10, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Getting back on topic, I still predict that Huck and Chuck are going to out themselves at the end of the elapsed time.
FloatingRock on April 10, 2008 at 1:23 AM
I’d never bothered to actually view your videos. Tell me something, why are you using stuff from a guy who would make Obama’s crazy pastor blush, a guy who is a known Truther, also believes the Oklahoma City bombing was a gov’t conspiracy, and is a known Anti-Semite? Tell me something, are you a Truther? Are you an Anti-Semite?
doubleplusundead on April 10, 2008 at 1:23 AM
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