Awww: Class trip to mosque teaches 10-year-olds that they’re “dogs”
posted at 4:06 pm on April 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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They wanted a lesson in tolerance, and man, did they get one. I’m guessing the students were mostly Christian as there’s no report of anyone being called a “pig” or “ape.”
A primary school in Amsterdam wished to provide its pupils with an understanding for other cultures. But during a visit to a mosque, the children were told they were dogs.
With a view to developing understanding and respect for other cultures among children, primary school De Horizon regularly organises outings to various religious organisations. The chairman of the El Mouchidine mosque told the children from group 7 (aged 10) and their chaperones however that non-Muslims are dogs.
In a letter to the children’s parents, the school expresses its regret at the incident: “We are shocked that during the guided tour, the mosque’s chairman told the children and chaperoning parents that non believers were dogs. We consider this statement as unacceptable since we allow our children to partake in this project to develop respect for freedom of religious choice“.
Is this respect mutual? The Saudis did almost consider lifting the total ban on religious freedom within the Kingdom recently. Almost.
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“And ‘illah (PBUH) said unto the children under the date tree:
‘children, ye are under the tree of ‘illah. Verily, verily! Thou who hast not acknowledged the fruits of ‘illah are amongst the lowly dogs.’”
Qu’ran 7:56-57
no wonder he called em dogs!
kidding. totally made that up
blatantblue on April 9, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Well, the trip was undeniably educational. Among the lessons:
1. Muslims are the enemy of everyone else.
2. The school administrators who set this up (probably the same ones who banned “Merry Christmas” in the school) are idiots who are ompletely lacking in judgement and who are too lazy to have vetted the venue, which could have been very dangerous for the children.
landlines on April 9, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Why? is anything I said historicly incorrect?
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 8:24 PM
No… acutally, it was a proper response.
Every time there is an article posted about Muslim intollerance/violence someone attempts to hijack the thread by throwing out a false comparison to Christian intollernace/violence. Every time there is an article on Democrat hypocracy/lawbreaking/scandals someone attempts to hijack the thread by throwing out false comparisons to Republican hypocracy/lawbreaking/scandals, etc…
This is usually done by someone who has nothing to say about the current topic but a lot stored up to say about a topic that they think they know a lot about. But they don’t go to a site were there are experts on that topic that could properly refute them. They don’t cite sources or outline common definitions for terms. They come here and throw out their comparisons.
Then the thread devolves from a discusson of what’s going on NOW to what may or may not have gone on before and whether it is in any way comparable. “Yes it is…no it isn’t…yes it is…no it isn’t….”
I have faith that many of hotair’s readers know a bit more about both Muslim and Christian history than your average citizen and don’t need to be re-taught. I’m also willing to bet that they have read the discussion that you attempted (apparently successfully) to begin, or one much like it, here before. But I feel the need to say something (call it a weakness), so I just call bullshit and let it stand at that.
If you want to prove that I’m the kind of person who backs down from a fight that is worth fighting, feel free to search through hotair.com for some evidence. Here, I’ll give you a link to get you started.
29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 8:30 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of Religion, and evolution.
To me a Religion is a system of beleifs, often with a moral underpinning, with a certain set of teachings. The beleifs and philosophy of its adhearernts are whats important… not the book they happen to read.
If you were a Christian of the Middle Ages, you probably believed in Demons and Hell… as real physical things… and would not suffer a witch to live (they pretty much wiped out the midwives of Europe at one point)… and we even had witch burnings in America… all done with Religion as the reason…
As stated at the start of the discusion… luckily Christianity pretty much moved past that kind of thing… Islam, has not.
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Hmmm… well actualy, I didn’t start this discusion. Someone else made a post, it was responded too, and a discusion started… you then responded direrctly to somthing I posted… with a dismissive and fairly insulting post.
If you don’t like the discusion… feel free to leave… but I never called anything “bullshit”… or called anyone ignorant.
But if its your assertion that todays Christianity is the exact same as what was previously practiced? or that things have not been done in the name of Christianity that would be considered barbaric today? We must be reading differnt versions of history.
I’m hoping that the teachings of Islam DO evolve, and using Christianity to an example that teachings and beliefs of a religion CAN evolve, and in a positive direction.
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 8:44 PM
I am hoping that the kids learned their lesson about respecting the religion of others!
drjohn on April 9, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Due to the fallen nature of man war will always exist on Earth. The time when men “will beat their swords into plowshares” is described in the Bible as happening after death in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Just because there has been relative peace in the West in the sixty something years since 1945 does not mean that war is an unfortunate aberration that has been overcome now that Christianity has gotten it all out of its system.
The Crusades were fought to defend Christendom from Islamic hegemony and though some of the Crusaders did terrible things, like killing Jews and sacking Constantinople when they were not paid enough money by the Emperor, their endeavour was mostly righteous and we would not be here today if they had not been willing to defend us.
Some scholar might come along in a thousand years and accuse the soldiers who stormed the beaches at Normandy as being militaristic zealots who attacked the German empire for no conceivably good reason. Its easy to condemn historic wars, involving Christians, when you know nothing about why or how they began.
aengus on April 9, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I certainly believe that Demons and Hell are real… that’s what the book says. I think most Christians today would tell you Hell is a real place and Demons are also real. So once again I’m not seeing your argument.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Gutless bloviator.
I reitrerate, if the story proves to be true, will you apologize to the HA community for calling THEM haters?
awake on April 9, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Romeo13-
… and we even had witch burnings in America…
Just a small point, if you’re thinking of the Salem Witch trials, (Just before the Mass gov. left to go to Maine he said “No spectral evidence!” Cotton Mather ignored this), however, no accused witches were burned, they were hanged.
Little Boomer on April 9, 2008 at 11:30 PM
And to Muslims, dogs aren’t lovable pets–they’re unclean vermin.
Nice outreach to the community.
jgapinoy on April 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM
You’re paraphrasing the Bible:
“His hand will be against every man, & every man’s hand against him…” Genesis 16:12
jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 12:07 AM
aengus on April 9, 2008 at 8:51 PM
You say things so much better than I do.
Sorry Romeo13 that was a jerk. I’m just so sick of hearing this. There is no historical comparison between the two religions or their laws, their system of govenment, their holy books, or even their divisions for that matter. If my comment was dismissive and insulting to you, then yours was dismissive and insulting to a couple thousand years of Christian history. To throw out a few often misunderstood examples from a history of 2000 years and compare them to the state in which Islam was founded and has been in, pretty much constantly, for 1300 years is a streach at best and really serves no purpose.
There is no point in discussing this, however, especially here. You will not change your mind and neither will anyone else.
29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Dead on. Kinda spooky, and yet somehow reassuring.
29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Yep, Ishmael hasn’t advanced much since he was tossed out by Abraham, has he?
dmh0667 on April 10, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Grow Fins on April 9, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Are you saying that you are a muslim hater?
Johan Klaus on April 10, 2008 at 1:41 AM
The Europeans about whom the Americans read seem to have been depleted by the loss of many of their most enterprising men and women to America, most of their most warlike men to two “world” wars, and many of their most intelligent men and women to a national campaign of mass murder. To be clear, I do really mean to raise the possibility that the remaining Europeans have an impoverished genetic inheritance.
Kralizec on April 10, 2008 at 8:49 AM
‘You parents just need to get over yourselves. They only called your children dogs once. We live by the 3 strikes rule and being Christian you should just learn to turn the other cheek.’/sarc
What can you say to this? Really, I wish this would happen in the States. I guarantee that the school officials wouldn’t get away with ignoring bigoted statements simply because they came from a Muslim.
Sultry Beauty on April 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM
I believe demons, angels, Hell, Satan and God are all real. I believe secular Christianity is fake.
Interesting re-run of Pope Benedict’s 2005 interview with Tony Arroyo on EWTN recently. Tony asked him about the Church pedophilia scandals and how this was possible. The gist of what Benedict said I cannot quote exactly but basically Bendedict said that if one believes God is a hypothetical, a theoretical, (a useful concept) people can behave this way. If one believes God is not a hypothetical but real (implication with all the powers ascribed to God and all the consequences) it would not happen. He was speaking as the priest who had been chosen to investigate the scandals. He has spoken often about the dangers of the secularization of the West.
Saint Patrick while a slave confounded his captors with his great joy. It was because he truly believed God was with him even in captivity and that the promise of being a child of God was real. It was his faith that God was not a hypothetical that gave him the witness to convert the pagans of Ireland,
Meanwhile, my love of dogs run deep. I feel sad for dogs who have to live in a muslim environment. A muslim veterinarian on the web complained about customers bringing their dogs in to be euthanized before Ramadan so their homes would not be defiled. The best training for young kids would be an exposure to how dogs are treated in muslim nations. Then they can think about the islamic categorization of non muslims and draw their own conclusions about the religion of peace
entagor on April 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM
We were very lucky. We gained culture not genetics. We attracted the rebels, those who were willing to take risks. There could be some genetics in that, although it would not be race based.
Since it is culture it can be quickly lost, especially if we replace the culture of family with the State.
We luckily installed a system that favored the family, although the security seekers have been chipping away at the system like little rabbits hoping to remove the environment that fosters independence.
The 30 million illegals did not come under the same impetus. I call them sneakers, not rebels, and their dislike for our system is what separates them from the rebels of the legal immigration flow
The sneakers have a natural tendancy to want to dismantle our system, encouraged by the propaganda of their childhood that encourages ‘reconquista’ instead of assimilation
The good part: the good people in Europe are still good. Unfortunately they would have to become rebels to regain their independence.
entagor on April 10, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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