The Europeans about whom the Americans read seem to have been depleted by the loss of many of their most enterprising men and women to America, most of their most warlike men to two “world” wars, and many of their most intelligent men and women to a national campaign of mass murder. To be clear, I do really mean to raise the possibility that the remaining Europeans have an impoverished genetic inheritance.

Kralizec on April 10, 2008 at 8:49 AM

We were very lucky. We gained culture not genetics. We attracted the rebels, those who were willing to take risks. There could be some genetics in that, although it would not be race based.

Since it is culture it can be quickly lost, especially if we replace the culture of family with the State.

We luckily installed a system that favored the family, although the security seekers have been chipping away at the system like little rabbits hoping to remove the environment that fosters independence.

The 30 million illegals did not come under the same impetus. I call them sneakers, not rebels, and their dislike for our system is what separates them from the rebels of the legal immigration flow

The sneakers have a natural tendancy to want to dismantle our system, encouraged by the propaganda of their childhood that encourages ‘reconquista’ instead of assimilation

The good part: the good people in Europe are still good. Unfortunately they would have to become rebels to regain their independence.

you were a Christian of the Middle Ages, you probably believed in Demons and Hell… as real physical things…

…As stated at the start of the discusion… luckily Christianity pretty much moved past that kind of thing… Islam, has not.

Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM

I believe demons, angels, Hell, Satan and God are all real. I believe secular Christianity is fake.

Interesting re-run of Pope Benedict’s 2005 interview with Tony Arroyo on EWTN recently. Tony asked him about the Church pedophilia scandals and how this was possible. The gist of what Benedict said I cannot quote exactly but basically Bendedict said that if one believes God is a hypothetical, a theoretical, (a useful concept) people can behave this way. If one believes God is not a hypothetical but real (implication with all the powers ascribed to God and all the consequences) it would not happen. He was speaking as the priest who had been chosen to investigate the scandals. He has spoken often about the dangers of the secularization of the West.

Saint Patrick while a slave confounded his captors with his great joy. It was because he truly believed God was with him even in captivity and that the promise of being a child of God was real. It was his faith that God was not a hypothetical that gave him the witness to convert the pagans of Ireland,

Meanwhile, my love of dogs run deep. I feel sad for dogs who have to live in a muslim environment. A muslim veterinarian on the web complained about customers bringing their dogs in to be euthanized before Ramadan so their homes would not be defiled. The best training for young kids would be an exposure to how dogs are treated in muslim nations. Then they can think about the islamic categorization of non muslims and draw their own conclusions about the religion of peace

In the meantime, the school’s management has addressed the mosque on the undesirable behaviour of the chairman. Both parties will say nothing further on the matter. “We will resolve the matter amongst ourselves and I have no inclination whatsoever to discuss the matter with the media”, as newspaper De Telegraaf quoted the school’s spokesperson Mariet ten Berge. “We have been to the mosque before and it always went well”.

‘You parents just need to get over yourselves. They only called your children dogs once. We live by the 3 strikes rule and being Christian you should just learn to turn the other cheek.’/sarc

What can you say to this? Really, I wish this would happen in the States. I guarantee that the school officials wouldn’t get away with ignoring bigoted statements simply because they came from a Muslim.

I will never understand how people who lived through their history, could possibly allow death cult fanatics to take root and grow.

NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM

The Europeans about whom the Americans read seem to have been depleted by the loss of many of their most enterprising men and women to America, most of their most warlike men to two “world” wars, and many of their most intelligent men and women to a national campaign of mass murder. To be clear, I do really mean to raise the possibility that the remaining Europeans have an impoverished genetic inheritance.

Are you saying that you are a muslim hater?

You’re paraphrasing the Bible:
“His hand will be against every man, & every man’s hand against him…” Genesis 16:12

jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Dead on. Kinda spooky, and yet somehow reassuring.

29Victor on April 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Yep, Ishmael hasn’t advanced much since he was tossed out by Abraham, has he?

You’re paraphrasing the Bible:
“His hand will be against every man, & every man’s hand against him…” Genesis 16:12

jgapinoy on April 10, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Dead on. Kinda spooky, and yet somehow reassuring.

You say things so much better than I do.

Sorry Romeo13 that was a jerk. I’m just so sick of hearing this. There is no historical comparison between the two religions or their laws, their system of govenment, their holy books, or even their divisions for that matter. If my comment was dismissive and insulting to you, then yours was dismissive and insulting to a couple thousand years of Christian history. To throw out a few often misunderstood examples from a history of 2000 years and compare them to the state in which Islam was founded and has been in, pretty much constantly, for 1300 years is a streach at best and really serves no purpose.

There is no point in discussing this, however, especially here. You will not change your mind and neither will anyone else.

Muslims are the enemy of everyone else

You’re paraphrasing the Bible:
“His hand will be against every man, & every man’s hand against him…” Genesis 16:12

Just a small point, if you’re thinking of the Salem Witch trials, (Just before the Mass gov. left to go to Maine he said “No spectral evidence!” Cotton Mather ignored this), however, no accused witches were burned, they were hanged.

Grow Fins on April 9, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Gutless bloviator.

I reitrerate, if the story proves to be true, will you apologize to the HA community for calling THEM haters?

If you were a Christian of the Middle Ages, you probably believed in Demons and Hell… as real physical things…

Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I certainly believe that Demons and Hell are real… that’s what the book says. I think most Christians today would tell you Hell is a real place and Demons are also real. So once again I’m not seeing your argument.

Why? is anything I said historicly incorrect?

Oh, I could start an entire list of Christianity being highjacked for Political or Monetary reasons…

The point was that Christianity had problems with militancy in the Dark and Middle Ages, that the West pretty much outgrew… took a few wars however… and Pogroms… and Crusades…

Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Due to the fallen nature of man war will always exist on Earth. The time when men “will beat their swords into plowshares” is described in the Bible as happening after death in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Just because there has been relative peace in the West in the sixty something years since 1945 does not mean that war is an unfortunate aberration that has been overcome now that Christianity has gotten it all out of its system.

The Crusades were fought to defend Christendom from Islamic hegemony and though some of the Crusaders did terrible things, like killing Jews and sacking Constantinople when they were not paid enough money by the Emperor, their endeavour was mostly righteous and we would not be here today if they had not been willing to defend us.

Some scholar might come along in a thousand years and accuse the soldiers who stormed the beaches at Normandy as being militaristic zealots who attacked the German empire for no conceivably good reason. Its easy to condemn historic wars, involving Christians, when you know nothing about why or how they began.

29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Hmmm… well actualy, I didn’t start this discusion. Someone else made a post, it was responded too, and a discusion started… you then responded direrctly to somthing I posted… with a dismissive and fairly insulting post.

If you don’t like the discusion… feel free to leave… but I never called anything “bullshit”… or called anyone ignorant.

But if its your assertion that todays Christianity is the exact same as what was previously practiced? or that things have not been done in the name of Christianity that would be considered barbaric today? We must be reading differnt versions of history.

I’m hoping that the teachings of Islam DO evolve, and using Christianity to an example that teachings and beliefs of a religion CAN evolve, and in a positive direction.

Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I guess it depends on your definition of Religion, and evolution.

To me a Religion is a system of beleifs, often with a moral underpinning, with a certain set of teachings. The beleifs and philosophy of its adhearernts are whats important… not the book they happen to read.

If you were a Christian of the Middle Ages, you probably believed in Demons and Hell… as real physical things… and would not suffer a witch to live (they pretty much wiped out the midwives of Europe at one point)… and we even had witch burnings in America… all done with Religion as the reason…

As stated at the start of the discusion… luckily Christianity pretty much moved past that kind of thing… Islam, has not.

29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Ah, the I could proove you wrong, but won’t, arguement… I’ll just call you “ignorant” instead…

Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM

No… acutally, it was a proper response.

Every time there is an article posted about Muslim intollerance/violence someone attempts to hijack the thread by throwing out a false comparison to Christian intollernace/violence. Every time there is an article on Democrat hypocracy/lawbreaking/scandals someone attempts to hijack the thread by throwing out false comparisons to Republican hypocracy/lawbreaking/scandals, etc…

This is usually done by someone who has nothing to say about the current topic but a lot stored up to say about a topic that they think they know a lot about. But they don’t go to a site were there are experts on that topic that could properly refute them. They don’t cite sources or outline common definitions for terms. They come here and throw out their comparisons.

Then the thread devolves from a discusson of what’s going on NOW to what may or may not have gone on before and whether it is in any way comparable. “Yes it is…no it isn’t…yes it is…no it isn’t….”

I have faith that many of hotair’s readers know a bit more about both Muslim and Christian history than your average citizen and don’t need to be re-taught. I’m also willing to bet that they have read the discussion that you attempted (apparently successfully) to begin, or one much like it, here before. But I feel the need to say something (call it a weakness), so I just call bullshit and let it stand at that.

If you want to prove that I’m the kind of person who backs down from a fight that is worth fighting, feel free to search through hotair.com for some evidence. Here, I’ll give you a link to get you started.

Wow. This comment is unworthy of you.

aengus on April 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Why? is anything I said historicly incorrect?

1. Muslims are the enemy of everyone else.

2. The school administrators who set this up (probably the same ones who banned “Merry Christmas” in the school) are idiots who are ompletely lacking in judgement and who are too lazy to have vetted the venue, which could have been very dangerous for the children.

‘children, ye are under the tree of ‘illah. Verily, verily! Thou who hast not acknowledged the fruits of ‘illah are amongst the lowly dogs.’”

Qu’ran 7:56-57

no wonder he called em dogs!

kidding. totally made that up

But none of that matters. None of that means the religion has evolved. Because the book has not changed.

But yes…. of course, I could gather ten different Christians in a room and get ten different interpretations of a given verse. Those are examples of different states of learning and not an indication of any change in the basic teachings.

The basic teachings have not changed, but of course there are numerous interpretations. That was even true in the earliest church. Paul himself bemoaned the fact that some of his own helpers took up interpretations that were far from the plain meaning of the Scriptures. Nothing new about people doing their own thing in spite of what the book says.

I refuted comments you made on a previous thread and you declined to respond to me. Are you simply going to jump from thread to thread making assertions and refusing to engage in argument – like Nonfactor – or are you capable of debate?

Oh, I could start an entire list of Christianity being highjacked for Political or Monetary reasons…

The point was that Christianity had problems with militancy in the Dark and Middle Ages, that the West pretty much outgrew… took a few wars however… and Pogroms… and Crusades…

Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Wow. This comment is unworthy of you.

DerKrieger

Don’t jump the gun. Europe survived the Black Death. I’m not willing to throw the towel until the very end. Don’t let despair get the better of you.