Awww: Class trip to mosque teaches 10-year-olds that they’re “dogs”
posted at 4:06 pm on April 9, 2008 by Allahpundit
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They wanted a lesson in tolerance, and man, did they get one. I’m guessing the students were mostly Christian as there’s no report of anyone being called a “pig” or “ape.”
A primary school in Amsterdam wished to provide its pupils with an understanding for other cultures. But during a visit to a mosque, the children were told they were dogs.
With a view to developing understanding and respect for other cultures among children, primary school De Horizon regularly organises outings to various religious organisations. The chairman of the El Mouchidine mosque told the children from group 7 (aged 10) and their chaperones however that non-Muslims are dogs.
In a letter to the children’s parents, the school expresses its regret at the incident: “We are shocked that during the guided tour, the mosque’s chairman told the children and chaperoning parents that non believers were dogs. We consider this statement as unacceptable since we allow our children to partake in this project to develop respect for freedom of religious choice“.
Is this respect mutual? The Saudis did almost consider lifting the total ban on religious freedom within the Kingdom recently. Almost.
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Ooooh, aaaaah the truth comes out that Islam needed Fitna.
HotAirJosef on April 9, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Does one get censured for typing “FIRST!” here?
SlimyBill on April 9, 2008 at 4:09 PM
What is the school apologizing for? They learned a very good lesson if you ask me.
Kahuna on April 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM
That a country that suffered through a Nazi occupation that dragged people off to concentration camps, is “tolerant” enough to allow people like the subject idiot to emigrate there, is just baffling.
He should be on the next plane to whatever craphole country he came from.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Ha! Guess you won’t find out.
Kahuna on April 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Yep, nothing teaches tolerance quite like intolerance.
SlimyBill on April 9, 2008 at 4:10 PM
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OMG that is so angering!!!11!
SlimyBill on April 9, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Yep, a good lesson in the true Nature of Islam.
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 4:12 PM
So the school is apologizing because the children learned the truth about what Muslims think of them?
Sounds pretty educational to me.
Socratease on April 9, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Gonna put out a Fatwa?
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I thought HotAir bloggers and commentors were the only people using the word “obligatory.” Looks like Muslims are picking up on that terminology as well.
txsurveyor on April 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Yes, we are quite intolerant of that here, you dog.
Brat on April 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM
If more American schoolkids were required to attend, or at least watch films of, some of the more radical sermons by muslim imams telling them that they were ‘dogs, apes and swine’, perhaps they’d have a better understanding of how the “ideal of multiculturalism” is nothing more than crock.
auzerais on April 9, 2008 at 4:14 PM
An eye-opener for sure, that is, until that dog of a chaperone tries to explain to the kids that the chairman didn’t really mean what he said.
awake on April 9, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I love that the teachers, the principals and the media are all trying to HIDE the fact that this muslim leader called everyone who came in dogs. Its like Orwellian erasing of the facts - it didn’t happen because muslims can’t be hateful like that.
Be glad it didn’t happen in the US - the media would’ve declared that Karl Rove snuck into the mosque to lie to the kids.
Defector01 on April 9, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Ah, another one of those “anti-Islamic” mosques.
eeyore on April 9, 2008 at 4:17 PM
No they shouldn’t. We respect other people’s religions. That’s the difference between us and them.
I agree that the kids got a very good lesson.
factoid on April 9, 2008 at 4:19 PM
I bowed to my overlord and he still spit in my face. What shall I do now? What’s that you say? My overlord was having a bad day? There are nicer, more moderate overlords out there? Good. I shall go look for them, for surely they exist.
Rational Thought on April 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Dog spelled backward is God
RobCon on April 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Is there any reason to believe they are not preaching the same retoric in the US? Teaching their little ones the same religeon of peace, only if you are muslim.
Les in NC on April 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Well, as Ace says, “While this site looks real enough, I’ve never heard of this news service before, so a big asterisk on this for now.”
But hey, let’s not let that little, erm, caveat, stop us from slinging red meat to the Muslim haters among us.
Grow Fins on April 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM
I am wondering if the children here in the US having to deal with schools caving in to muslims, are their kids called dogs or pigs? Parents, might want to ask your child. United States, take a good look what is happening in UK and most of Europe. Illegals, libs, and muslims, crater our country.
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letget on April 9, 2008 at 4:24 PM
HA!HA! HA!
Thats too funny.
BL@KBIRD on April 9, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Probably. And they should… that’s inane.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM
You mean it’s a bad idea to give citizenship to a bunch of foreigners who hate your culture, call you names, and openly declare that your country should belong to them?
Maybe somebody should tell John McCain.
AZCoyote on April 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Well, they’re not really dogs, puppies maybe.
bloggless on April 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Yes I am, and damn proud of it!
TheBigOldDog on April 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Yes, Les, they are preaching the same thing in the US. There have been prior reports on the subject.
All that Wahhabi money has its intended effect.
Would that more “innocents” were exposed to the truth in such a gentle way!
Merovign on April 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Of course, if the story pans out, you will apologize to the community here, right?
awake on April 9, 2008 at 4:28 PM
I don’t want to bandy about bad info, but doesn’t the name of the mosque remind you of some other muslim word? Does anyone know if they are the same, or from the same root?
samuelrylander on April 9, 2008 at 4:29 PM
They wanted the kids to learn about Islam. The kids learned about Islam. So what’s the problem?
Kids in America should go on these trips too.
29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Yeah, in English. Probably not in Arabic or Dutch.
Oldnuke on April 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Politicians in America would benefit as well.
Les in NC on April 9, 2008 at 4:32 PM
According to the Guardian, NIS is a subsidiary of Holland’s largest news agency. The news item references a report in De Telegraaf, which is the country’s largest morning paper.
Allahpundit on April 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Such a peaceful and tolerant religion…
Livefreeordie on April 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM
“They wanted the kids to learn about Islam. The kids learned about Islam. So what’s the problem?”
Who are we to judge?
Let him who has not called non-believers “dogs”, cast the first milk bone.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Not following you…
samuelrylander on April 9, 2008 at 4:40 PM
It’s linked to as a news source by the Library of Congress.
amerpundit on April 9, 2008 at 4:41 PM
“Not following you…”
Just posing as a typical nonsensical “liberal”, defending the indefensible and all that.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Europe is dead. They will NEVER be able to defeat the suicidal, oppressive, Marxist, PC, Multi-culturalism that has gripped them for decades. It is this same attitude that infects our own domestic Left and is propagated through the Leftist public schools. Can we be far behind the Europeans in surrendering?
Grow Fins - there are plenty of real anti-Jihadi sites documenting this type of thing daily so even if this site is bogus it doesn’t mean much.
Try Robert Spencer’s excellent site, Jihad Watch
Also try Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal
DerKrieger on April 9, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Me too.
My point was that this is a great intro to Islam. If one of their teachers had told them in the classroom that Muslims thought this way about them the teacher probably would have been fired for being racist. Now they know the truth, from the horse’s mouth, as it were.
29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Brave piece of fecal matter….. telling a bunch of kids they are dogs.
I wonder if any of the chaperones had a pair big enough to tell the chairman where to shove that belief?
Seven Percent Solution on April 9, 2008 at 4:48 PM
read the new novel “Caliphate” and “Prayers for the assassin”
Defector01 on April 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM
“Europe is dead. They will NEVER be able to defeat the suicidal, oppressive, Marxist, PC, Multi-culturalism that has gripped them for decades.”
I will never understand how people who lived through their history, could possibly allow death cult fanatics to take root and grow.
Just can’t understand it. It would have been so easy to stand up to them in the beginning, every year it will get more difficult yet if anything, they’re competing to appease.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 4:49 PM
I am completely intolerant of the intolerant.
EJDolbow on April 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM
We in the West are too afraid of being called “racists” to stand up and defend ourselves. In Europe you can be thrown in jail for pointing out FACTS such as the huge number of rapes happening in Sweden whose rise coincides and rises with the number of Muslims that immigrate to the country. The socialists, communists, and other far Left groupies will threaten your life, sue you, beat you and if you manage to survive all that the government may put you on trial. Sweden will be the first, but not last, Islamic republic in Europe.
DerKrieger on April 9, 2008 at 4:51 PM
While the plural of anecdote is not data, it has to be getting harder and harder for the apologists of this faith to stifle criticism.
Christianity got this crap largely out of its system. Now it’s Islam’s turn.
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 9, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Same with our own immigration problem. The more that come, the more that will come and the less say we will have over the issue until we are overwhelmed. Look how hard it is now to stop illegal immigration. Just wait until Hispanics are 40% or 50% of the population. Our weakness is Liberalism. It is illiberal.
DerKrieger on April 9, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Muslim haters? Anti-Islam?
Anti-racists? Racist haters?
Nazi haters? Anti-naziism?
Anti-communist? Communist haters?
Words, just words.
thuja on April 9, 2008 at 4:55 PM
I’ll bet the teacher was liberal ! Wonder if the teacher learned a lesson from this ?
2theright on April 9, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Those kids should have been sent here.
If that ever happened to my kid, I know where I would send a few ham sandwiches.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 9, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Well then the field trip was successful.
Mark1971 on April 9, 2008 at 4:59 PM
“I’ll bet the teacher was liberal! Wonder if the teacher learned a lesson from this?”
If she was capable of learning lessons from life, why would she still be a liberal?
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Guess the memo to icksnay on etoricrhsay didn’t make it to the chairman.
Its better the kids learned that lesson early anyway.
There’s a school district in Mi. that needs to get the memo too.
Speakup on April 9, 2008 at 5:07 PM
All we have to do is submit, and this will all go away. We only have our arrogance to blame.
tommylotto on April 9, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Dear God…..I did not know that this really existed.
http://www.museumoftolerance.com/
Only in Kaliphornia……..
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on April 9, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Little un-solicited help for you…when you want to quote someone, after pasting their comment in the comment box, hi-light it again and click the “quote” button. Then type your comment below it. Click preview to make sure it looks how you want it to look before posting. :)
samuelrylander on April 9, 2008 at 5:15 PM
My collie says:
I’d rather be a dog than a Muslim — but that’s not sayin’ much since I’d also rather be dead than a Muslim.
CyberCipher on April 9, 2008 at 5:20 PM
“Little un-solicited help for you”
I know, but if you can tell me how to get that to work on Mozilla, I’ll do it.
It’s easy to do on IE (which I don’t like), but I can’t get those buttons to appear on Mozilla Firefox.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Yes…. but we’re big dogs and we bite.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Maybe those dogs will come back as giant attack trained Mastiffs. With a taste for Muslims. When you are in foreign land as a minority, one should have the good sense not to offend those who tolerate their presence. Dogs bite.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 9, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Perfect. More trips. Let the kids ask questions. Bring along a lot of parent chaperones. Bring your friends and neighbors and let them get a dose of tolerance first hand.
Sunshine! The cure all.
Limerick on April 9, 2008 at 5:23 PM
I just can’t get worked up about the insanity in Europe anymore. Let them sleep in the bed they made. Stuff like this makes me give a SECOND LOOK AT RON PAUL!
VolMagic on April 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Mr.Grow Fins
You owe us “red meat muslim hatin running dog lackeys” an apology.
Gonna man up and apologize or wuss off like a leftard?
BL@KBIRD on April 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM
So what does that mean about Obama if he’s not a Muslim?
CynicalOptimist on April 9, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I take exception to that, I don’t recall Christianity ever having that in its system.
Furthermore, Islam has always had that in its system, this type of prejudice for all things not Islam is deeply rooted and a cornerstone of their system.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 5:32 PM
BL@KBIRD on April 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM
He went back to his lab to bio-engineer himself a new adaptable body to deal with the horror that is global warming. How can he get upset about human difficulties when the very Earth will soon be underwater?
VolMagic on April 9, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Please. The parents sent the kids to the mosque. Would you? Don’t absolve the idiots for the plight they are in.
JiangxiDad on April 9, 2008 at 5:37 PM
/breaks into song…
The Inquisition the inquisition….
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mKxnaMeOK20
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Islam also combines the State with their religion. Therefore, Islam should be regulated as a rival State trying to subvert Western governments.
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Make the mosques pay crippling taxes for large government agencies to monitor their activities, wiretap them, and prosecute their illegal activities.
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Perhaps if democrats saw regulating mosques as a way to grow government, they might go for it!
Right_of_Attila on April 9, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Reminds me of Rev.Wright’s sermons. We don’t shut him down. Guess we’re kind of the same.
JiangxiDad on April 9, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Please forgive my naivete…but,
if non-Muslims are dogs,
WHAT DOES THAT MAKE MUSLIMS?
Lockstein13 on April 9, 2008 at 5:43 PM
The Funny Side of Islam: Muhammad and the Hadith
Connie on April 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM
“Islam has always had that in its system, this type of prejudice for all things not Islam is deeply rooted and a cornerstone of their system.”
Exactly - take away the death cult hatred and what really is left?
Which is exactly why we need to breed non-observance amongst Muslims to the point where they disregard their religion as much as the rest of us westerners disregard ours.
Get with the program.
NoDonkey on April 9, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Muslims calling the little children dogs, that’s a shame. Those kids need to get back into the public school classroom so the teachers can tell them they are actually evolved apes.
I don’t know that one is any worse than the other.
And oh, if Muslims were to limit themselves to only calling us dogs, I could easily live with that. But its their continual slaughter of innocent people that gives their “religion” a bad name in my book.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Allah
You got the critters wrong. The Jews are the apes, while the Christians are the pigs. The Jewish critters follow from Quran 2:62-65.
infidelpride on April 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM
How do we “breed” that? By calling all Muslims names and mocking them? Yup, that’ll work. And, I think most of of the world’s billion+ Muslims treat their religion exactly as we do–something to do with family and tradition and ‘who-we-are’ yadda yadda.
Grow Fins on April 9, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Oh… the old Inquisition trick again. Somehow I don’t believe Jesus would have approved of the Inquisition, but I’m thinking Muhammad would have.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Of course you do. I don’t believe Jesus would have been up for all this Muslims-are-all-bloodthirsty-killers name-calling either, but there ya go….
Grow Fins on April 9, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Is “false prophets” name-calling?
Connie on April 9, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Who has namecalled? Who has called all Muslims bloodthirsty-killers? Wasn’t me. I said that was there system. I don’t hate Muslims, I do hate their false religion that leads many of them to do bad things.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 6:06 PM
While, the U.S. Constitution prevents CONGRESS from passing any laws that would prohibit the free exercise of religion, there is nothing that requires us to “respect” another religion. So, when you said “We”, perhaps you were merely referring to yourself as a monarch would? Such as - “We are not amused”, because you certainly are not speaking for me.
I don’t “respect” religions that engage in human sacrifice, or worship evil, or call upon their adherents to literally wage war against the rest of the world until that world either embraces the religion or at least “submits” to it.
Nope, no “respect” for those religions at all.
“Tolerence” is not an ethos, its an epitaph!
Fatal on April 9, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I prefet this inquisition:
deadbackpacker on April 9, 2008 at 6:10 PM
ahhh link didn’t work:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o
deadbackpacker on April 9, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Oh, I could start an entire list of Christianity being highjacked for Political or Monetary reasons…
The point was that Christianity had problems with militancy in the Dark and Middle Ages, that the West pretty much outgrew… took a few wars however… and Pogroms… and Crusades…
In fact the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages is a fairly good approximation of what is going on in Islam today… it had its own laws, its own priests, its own Government, and at times, its own armies. It even had its Jihads (Crusades) and eventualy a Sunni/Shiite split (Catholics and Protestants).
The Modern interpretation of Christianity is a fairly recent culturual movement… one I celebrate as its more about the individual than the structure… and its still evolving (IMO).
But those changes did not come about without a whole bunch of growing pains… Islam will have to do the same if it wishes to coexist with the West…
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM
This is more my idea….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY&feature=related
Cake or DEATH!
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I could take some time and disprove the multiple historical errors in your post, but I’ve seen way too many comment threads on modern Islam turned into ill-informed arguments about the history of Christianity.
So, instead I’m going to keep things on the topic of Islamic hatered and say this:
No matter how it was interpreted later on, the founder of Christianity (Jesus) or founders if you prefer (Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, etc…) taught people to love their enemies and to turn the other cheek when attacked.
Islam, on the other hand, was founded by a warrior. A person who not only sactioned the commiting of attrocities, but committed them himself.
If Christianity has had “growing pains” (don’t have time to go into that ignorant little tidbit here), it was “growing” back to it’s roots, and it’s current state is a reflection of that. Islam, on the other hand, would have to undergo a complete metamorphoses, and a re-writing of it’s holiest book for it to become a religion of peace.
29Victor on April 9, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM
I appreciate your thoughtful reply, but I disagree. I’m sure you know that anyone can pervert anything. Look to the Westboro Baptist Church for a modern example of this. They call themselves “Baptist,” but everything they do is anathema to the teachings of the Baptist church and Christianity in general.
My point is simply this. If you want to know what Christianity is, you’ve got to read the book. There is nothing in the teaching of Jesus that supports the actions of the Inquisition or other perversions of the faith throughout time.
Ahhh…. but now look to the book of Islam and you will see that they are doing exactly what their leader and book preached. That’s the difference.
And I disagree that Christianity has “evolved.” I don’t think so, we have been using essentially the same book for about two-thousand years now.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Ah, the I could proove you wrong, but won’t, arguement… I’ll just call you “ignorant” instead…
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Very simply… Same book, different interpretations…
For close to 2000 years salvation was based on works… you were expected to follow the rules, and would pay pennance when you “sined” (and heck, it was indulgences which paid for some of the Cathedrals of Europe).
Modern interpretation? Your auto forgiven once you ask (I know, way simplified but I use it to make a point).
Thats a pretty big interpretational difference based on the exact same writings…
I’m not here to argue Christian philosophy or belief, but it is a historical fact that Christianity itself has “changed” over the years…
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:51 PM
So, is it Islamophobia if they really ARE out to get us?
bbz123 on April 9, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Now your talking the difference in the mode of forgiveness from the Old Testament to the New. But that time-frame is not the examples you gave at “Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM”.
Yes, of course the mode of forgiveness changed and that change was made by the author of the faith himself. Jesus introduced the “New Deal,” but I don’t think that exactly equates with “evolving” and is not any kind of recent change.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Is that a step up or a step down from infidel and white devil?
Hog Wild on April 9, 2008 at 7:12 PM
When I said Christianity there, I think I really meant the mortal organizations that represent and claim the mantle of that faith.
Large organizations claiming the authority of the apostles (and ultimately God himself) have done some pretty horrible things.
It’s different than the things Islam as done, and the argument could be made that it’s never been on the scale of Islam. But, fairly mainstream organizations claiming the Christian mantle have done things many modern Christians (of many sects) find deplorable. Unless you’re perfectly fine with, for example, the Inquisition or the Salem Witch Trials.
There are, like it or not, parallels with the human organizations.
Now, if you’re talking about doctrine, I’ve argued (as have many, like Robert Spencer) that this is fundamentally different than Islam because the atrocities were done in spite of better interpretations of the rather than doctrine than because of it. But that’s not what I was talking about.
I suppose I should be more precise. Reworded it would be, “Christian people largely got this kind of crap out of their systems ages ago. Now it’s Muslim folks’ turn.”
And I’m not talking about the nominal Muslims. I’m talking about the practicing, mosque attending variety. Particularly the rather large percent that feel that cartoons and verbal insults to their religion are ample justification for violence.
But, all that aside, let’s not sit back and pretend that Christians or Christian organizations have never done bad things. I also don’t want to hear any silliness about “well that just means they’re not really Christian” because frankly no man is qualified to say with certainty what goes on between another man and God.
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 9, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Sorry, may want to read up a bit on what was believed and preached by Christianity up until pretty recent times.
Indulgences were a historical fact.
Gaining forgivness for sins by going on Crusade was a historical fact.
Saying your “Hail Marys” after minor sins as penance was done until very recent historical times.
If I remember the research I did a few years ago correctly, it wasn’t until the US in the 1920s and 30s that there was a “shift” in how Christianity interpreted the whole thing.
Heck, if you go back far enough the Gnostics had a totaly different look at the teachings of Christ…
Not trying to say anyone is right, or wrong in their beliefs… but I am saying that religions do change over time.
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM
TheUnrepentantGeek on April 9, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Just let me add that you don’t have to be of any particular “religion” to cause massive suffering, death and destruction. There are “belief systems” throughout history, that had nothing to do with any kind of religion, in fact many that were devoted to anti-religion (communism comes to mind) that have killed and destroyed on a scale that makes “evil in the name of religion” almost insignificant.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Don’t jump the gun. Europe survived the Black Death. I’m not willing to throw the towel until the very end. Don’t let despair get the better of you.
aengus on April 9, 2008 at 7:37 PM
Wow. This comment is unworthy of you.
aengus on April 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Grow Balls,
I refuted comments you made on a previous thread and you declined to respond to me. Are you simply going to jump from thread to thread making assertions and refusing to engage in argument - like Nonfactor - or are you capable of debate?
aengus on April 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Romeo13 on April 9, 2008 at 7:23 PM
But none of that matters. None of that means the religion has evolved. Because the book has not changed.
But yes…. of course, I could gather ten different Christians in a room and get ten different interpretations of a given verse. Those are examples of different states of learning and not an indication of any change in the basic teachings.
The basic teachings have not changed, but of course there are numerous interpretations. That was even true in the earliest church. Paul himself bemoaned the fact that some of his own helpers took up interpretations that were far from the plain meaning of the Scriptures. Nothing new about people doing their own thing in spite of what the book says.
Maxx on April 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM
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