rockemronnie:

they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)

This is a complete BS quote. As you may have guessed from previous quotes, I have Lexis Nexis. I get complete text of speeches from BBC Monitoring. Lexis Nexis has the Daily Star, and they never reported this quote. The first time this quote appears in the media is this article:

The Christchurch Press
October 31, 2002
MIDDLE EAST VIOLENCE
SECTION: Pg. 8
LENGTH: 110 words

“Sir–The Beirut Daily Star last Wednesday reported a speech by the Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.
Speaking at a graduation ceremony, Nasrallah said that “Christian Zionists” are gaining strength in the US and that they have a powerful impact on US foreign policy. Christian groups in America, he said, are financed by oil companies and weapons firms, and seek to encourage Jews to move to Israel and rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.
However, he said, “if they all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them world- wide”.
What I find disconcerting is the lack of reporting on the Hezbollah intention.”

This quote originated from a letter to the Christchurch Press, whatever the hell that is. This letter claims that the Daily Star reported this quote the previous week, but they did not, as a Lexis nexis search shows. What I have been trying to show here, and you don’t seem to get, is that the MSM fabricates, distorts and takes quotes out of context. One of the best ways to completely fabricate a quote is to get it started in some BS source, then begin requoting it in more “respectable” outlets. This is what they did here. This quote originated in a letter to the editor to the Christchurch Press! It’s hilarious!
If I had he time to go through every “fact” you think you know, I could erase them all until there was nothing left.

Is Nasrallah a good Muslim or a bad Muslim?

He’s awesome.

dave742 on April 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

rokemronnie:

If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli.

An accurate quote! Not really, though. The original is not from the New Yorker, but from a book by Amal Saad-Ghorayeb called “Hizbu’llah, Politics and Religion.” I have the book. The quote is on page 170, and is from an interview that the author had with Muhammed Fnaysh on Aug 15, 1997. The quote is second hand, and may or may not be accurate.

The book, however, is very good. It is even recommended by Martin Kramer, which is weird, because it shows Hezbollah or what it truly is, and nothing like what Kramer portray’s them to be. Maybe he realizes that those on the right don’t read books. I recommend it, though, if you want to try reading.

Since you have quoted Saad-Ghorayeb, maybe you would be interested in other quotes from her book:

”Both the party’s admires and detractors agree that, of all the political forces in Lebanon, Hizbu’llah is the only political party which has not been tainted by charges of corruption or political opportunism and which has resolutely stuck to its principles.” p. 3

Nasru’llah:
“…had the enemy not taken this step [the invasion], I do not know whether something called Hizbu’’lah would have been born. I doubt it.” p. 11

Within Hizbu’llah, “legitimacy has been conferred on secular states…and withheld from Muslim ones…It follows that the overthrow of secular states is not the underlying purpose of jihad (holy war). The cornerstone of Hizbu’lah’s doctrine on political violence is the principle of the non-compulsion of Islam. Thus, there is no religious sanction for rebellion against secular states such as Lebanon just because they are not ‘governed by divine laws’. This belief is grounded un Hizbu’llah’s reading of the Shari’a (Islamic law) which deems rebellion and civil disobedience ‘unacceptable’. In light of this Islamic concept, the party feels duty-bound to ‘preserve public order’ and consequently views civil peace as a ‘red line’ which cannot be crossed.”

“While the Sunnis seek to recreate the Golden Age comprising the first three Caliphs, the Shi’ites do not strive to return to ‘the historical period in which the Prophet lived or the periods that followed’” p.34

“According to Judith Harik’s 1992 study, only 13 percent of Shi’ites lent their support to the creation of an Islamic republic in Lebanon.” p. 35

“…a keen observance of Islamic faith…posits that Islam cannot be enforced upon followers of other faiths. Hizbu’llah’s reference to the Qur’anic injunction ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion (2:256) both in its Open Letter of 1985 and 14 years later as articulated by Shaykh Na’im Qasim, is indicative of the tenacity with which this conviction is held. Moreover, the party’s constant reassurance that it has no intention of forcibly ‘imposing’ an Islamic state on the Lebanese people, from as far back as 1985 to the present, is further testimony to this point.” p. 36

“the ultimate end of {Hizbu’llah’s] Islamicisation efforts is not the highly improbable creation of an Islamist society, which would construct the ideal Islamic state, but rather, the fulfillment of the Islamic imperative to spread the word of Islam, without any ulterior political motives. Since the political is the master of all concerns for Hizbu’llah, Islamicisation is nott accorded the same weight as the political and military resistance to oppression.” p. 38

“According to Principle 26 of the Iranian constitution, parties as well as religious societies, ‘whether Islamic or pertaining to one of the recognized religious minorities’, are permitted so long as they do not ‘violate…the criteria of Islam or the basis of the Islamic Republic.” p. 41 (mainly religious pluralism and not ideological pluralism)

“By analogy, Muhammad Fnaysh suggests that, just as the American constitution would not sanction the presence of groups that sought to overthrow the capitalist system, as demonstrated by the McCarthy era, the Islamic state cannot countenance the existence of ideological groups seeking to overturn it. Accordingly, the Islamic state is perceived to be no less politically pluralistic than the US democratic system, which also restricts political participation to groups that respect its foundations.” p. 44

“According to Fnaysh, Hizbu’llah believes that ‘there must be a Christian role [in the Islamic state] so long as there are Christians in society’. The example of Iran is invoked to delineate the extent of religious pluralism envisaged by the party. As stipulated by Article 64 of the Iranian constitution, Zoroastrians, Jews and a number of Christian minority groups are all entitled to parliamentary representation commensurate with their numbers in the population.” p. 44

Fnaysh quote:
“Since [Lebanese] society is not an Islamic one and Hizbu’llah is part of this society, it has to demand of itself what it demands of others. No one can impose a state on others and expect to succeed. If an Islamic state were established by force, then it would no longer be Islamic and would lose all legitimacy.” p. 49

“Hizgu’llah’s embrace of democracy as a system through which the greatest possible extent of justice can be fulfilled means that, although it is not viewed as the ideal system capable of fulfilling absolute justice, as Islam is, it is accepted, and even championed, as the next best system to Islam. Thus, although Hizbu’llah does not endorse democracy as the best system of government on the intellectual level, it endorses it as a system of government on the political level.” p. 55

“Hizbu’llah maintains that ‘while religion is one aspect of civilization, it need not be the only aspect. Ethnicity can also provide the basis for civilization.’ Thus, even though Islam is the predominant aspect of Islamic civilization, Arab non-Muslims can be considered part of this civilization insofar as their Arabism renders them members of the Arab Islamic subcivilization. By extension, the Lebanese Christian is part of the Arab Islamic subcivilization, and therefore ‘part of the Islamic umma’.” p. 82

“As argued by Nasru’llah, just as the affiliation to Christianity, Communism or any other belief system does not conflict with one’s Lebanese identity, Hizbu’llah’s affiliation to Islam, and by implication its allegiance to the Wilayat al-Faqih, does not undermine its ‘Lebanese identity or patriotism’.” p. 82

“…Nasru’llah implies that, in the event of a conflict of interest between the Lebanese and Iranian states, Hizbu’llah would pursue Lebanon’s interests at Iran’s expense.” p. 83

“The resistance to the Israeli occupation therefore emerges as a ‘national cause’, ‘goal’ or ‘duty’, as well as a religious one, which is waged on behalf of ‘all Lebanese and Arabs’, as well as all Muslims. By extension, Hizbu’llah’s Resistance is not only an Islamic one, as its name suggests, but also a ‘Lebanese’ and ‘nationalist’ resistance, ‘whose jihad is Lebanese’. To substantiate such a claim, in late 1997 the party established the “Lebanese Brigades of Resistance to the Israeli Occupation’, a multi-sectarian military adjunct to its Islamic Resistance forces.” p. 84

“Hizbullah draws the line at the killing of Western civilians, which it strongly condemns…”. In response to the 1997 bombing in Luxor by the Islamic Group, Hizbu’llah described it as “bloody and terrible”, and even accused the Islamic Group as being “an instrument which is utilized by the umma’s real enemies [i.e. Israel]”. p.100

“The party…confines its hostility to the US government’s perceived bias towards Israel, and does not extend it to the American people, who are presumably neither held responsible for their government’s ‘oppressive’ policies, nor for the ‘cultural invasion’ launched by their media and educational institutions.” p.106

“As a non-existential struggle, dialogue and reconciliation with the West are very real possibilities for Hizbu’llah…In Qassim’s opinion, dialogue should occur among all the world’s nations, since ‘interaction with different cultures is good”. The high value placed on dialogue is more clearly expressed by another Hizbu’llah official who discloses the party’s desire to hold a direct dialogue with the American people. Another indication of the party’s desire to reconcile with the American people, and Western society generally, lies in its repeated intention to project a better image of itself to the American people and to the West by ‘waging a campaign to show them that the Resistance is not terrorist’.” p.107

“Qasim drives this point home when he asserts that no culture or civilization can be completely accepted or rejected, not even American culture wwhich has ‘positive, as well as negative, elements’. One such element is the high value Americans place on the freedom of expression, notwithstanding the fact that they do not apply this value to other nations. Another value worthy of emulation is the social equality that characterizes Western society…As well as accepting certain Western values, the party admires Western science and knowledge and appreciates Western educational institutions…the party views the Western educational system as superior to all other educational systems in the contemporary Arab or Muslim world…Out of the nine party officials interviewed by this author, all nine had received a secular university education, including the two clerics. Although both Shaykhs Na’im Qasim and Husayn al-Mussawi had attended religious seminaries, they had degrees in chemistry and mathematics, respectively. ” p. 109

“Jihad is therefore an essentially defensive, as opposed to an offensive, activity in Hizbu’llah’s conception…only the Twelfth Imam is entitled to wage [an offensive jihad]….” p. 122 and 124

“…Hizbu’llah ‘does not pursue martyrdom as an end in itself’, but as a means of achieving victory…The following contention by Nasru’llah confirms this theory: ‘Maybe some people think we crave martyrdom because we like to die in any way. No, we like to die if our blood is valued and has a great impact [on Israel].” p. 133

“…’in spite of all their faults’, Hizbu’llah is willing to condone Jews in its midst and does not believe that any harm should come to them. It is also manifest in the concept of ‘al-tasakun al-barid’ (‘cold cohabitation’) between Muslims and Jews, envisaged by Fayyid. Under such an arrangement, the Jews would be left to live in peace because the conflict between Islam and the Jews is essentionally ideological as opposed to existential, as in the case of Zionism. However, there would be no normalization of relations with them, hence the coldness of this cohabitation.” p. 185

dave742 on April 8, 2008 at 11:15 PM

rokemronnie:

There are no numerical limits on the number of non-Jewish members of the Knesset.

I guess your right. As many non-Jewish members can be in the Knesset as can get elected, and then they can sit there and listen to the other Knesset members talk about their expulsion. That’s impressive.

How big of them, willing to “condone” the presence of Jews (who lived in historical Palestine about 2000 years before the existence of Islam) in their midst.

Native Americans lived in North America before we did. If today they were able to take over more than half the country, ethnically cleansing the portion they took over and force those people to live in the Nevada desert, then carve up what was left into little Bantustans with innumerable checkpoints, then call those who resist this treatment terrorists, then fly over their Bantustans and drop bombs on them, I would call those who wanted to live together with the Native Americans peacefully, if not in a friendly manner, moderate.

Dave, where did you learn Farsi?

I know people at work who know Farsi. The “wiped off the map” comment has been analyzed extensively on the web as well. The Iranians I know at work confirmed the translation for me. Guess what, the Iranians I know have not tried to kill me.

Johan:

So none of the muslims want to annihilate Israel?

I am sure some Muslims want to annihilate Israel. There are extremists in every culture. In the US you can find extremists who want to annihilate 1.3 million Muslims, or at least 70 million Iranians. There are crazy people everywhere. I have found no Muslims leaders who think that. All I find is right wing extremists mangling or fabricating 6 word quotes desperately looking for an excuse to wipe out Muslims.

How about Kim Jong il?

I have not done much research into who he is. I prefer not to judge people by 6 or 7 fabricated quotes and related demonization writings. I have looked into the NPT and IAEA history extensively, and I know that the IAEA breached its safeguards agreement with the DPRK in 1991, followed by breaches of the Agreed Framework by the West, which led to the whole nuclear weapons saga. Kim Jong was simply looking for economic assistance from the West. He had no intention of using nuclear weapons on anyone.

dave742 on April 9, 2008 at 9:17 AM

rokenronnie:

Hey, AP, what’s Dave742’s IP address?

So you want to hunt me down because I revealed the truth about your quotes and made you look silly? Ah, those peaceful Israelis.

dave742 on April 9, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Johan:

Does that make Iran God?

Venezuela is God. Iran is Jesus. And North Korea is the Holy Ghost.

dave742 on April 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM