Paul Weyrich to evangelical leaders: We should have backed Huckabee; Update: Weyrich disavows anti-Romney ad

posted at 6:12 pm on April 8, 2008 by Allahpundit

A belated solution, perhaps, to the mystery of why he threw Mitt under the bus last week. Sounds like he was never a big fan on the merits but was wooed by the siren song of electability. Which, in Mitt’s case, turned out to be as melodic as the McCain Girls’ latest.

Last month at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in New Orleans, several dozen leaders of the “Christian right” met to strategize next steps—but the meeting inevitably included discussion of missteps in the GOP presidential campaign…

The room—which had been taken over by argument and side-conversations—became suddenly quiet. Weyrich, a Romney supporter and one of those Farris had chastised for not supporting Huckabee, steered his wheelchair to the front of the room and slowly turned to face his compatriots. In a voice barely above a whisper, he said, “Friends, before all of you and before almighty God, I want to say I was wrong.”

In a quiet, brief, but passionate speech, Weyrich essentially confessed that he and the other leaders should have backed Huckabee, a candidate who shared their values more fully than any other candidate in a generation. He agreed with Farris that many conservative leaders had blown it. By chasing other candidates with greater visibility, they failed to see what many of their supporters in the trenches saw clearly: Huckabee was their guy.

Huck’s gripes on this point occupy a nice chunk of the NYT’s profile of him from December, although they were obscured at the time by the media frisson over his idle wondering in the same piece about the relationship between Jesus and Satan in Mormon theology. Quote: “Richard Land swoons for Fred Thompson… I don’t know what that’s about. For reasons I don’t fully understand, some of these Washington-based people forget why they are there. They make ‘electability’ their criterion. But I am a true soldier for the cause. If my own abandon me on the battlefield, it will have a chilling effect.” Is that it? Did electability sink him? Sounds like it:

Huckabee could not gain traction among the religious right leaders who could have generated the financial backing he needed to run a national campaign. In October, as well, he met with a group of conservative Christian leaders—most drawn from the ranks of the CNP gatherings—who say they were “vetting” the candidates. Most didn’t like Huckabee’s positions on immigration and tax reform. Others thought him insufficiently ardent in criticizing Islamic extremism and abortion. Members of the group believed that Huckabee was “their guy” from a religious perspective but said he was not quite ready for “prime time.”

But no other candidates thrilled the leaders, either, so Huckabee was the one candidate they invited back for what one leader called a “do-over.” He did much better the second time, yet the group remained too divided about his winning potential to agree to endorse him. When he won a stunning victory in Iowa, he didn’t have the resources to take advantage of that upset in the primaries that immediately followed. McCain beat Romney in New Hampshire, and the Arizona senator soon became the unexpected front-runner.

I don’t quite follow. Their constituency is big enough that any Republican nominee would have no choice but to woo them in the general election even if he hadn’t received their endorsement in the primary. It’s no secret how much many of them hate McCain — look for the line near the end of the World Mag piece about Maverick having “no clue what we’re about” — but here he is anyway, gladhanding John Hagee and putting together a “Committee of 50″ to help get out the evangelical vote. They could have backed Huck as late as mid-January, in time to tip South Carolina to him, which would have given him fresh momentum and a cash infusion ahead of Florida and then god knows what would have happened. It’s not like they came out en masse for Romney, the supposedly “electable” social con, either, so what gives? Were they worried that Huck’s squishiness on the war and spending might have alienated some of the flock? Don’t forget, while most of Huck’s supporters were evangelicals, it’s by no means true that most evangelicals were Huck supporters.

Who knows? Maybe this is just Weyrich et al’s attempt to get back in the good graces of a guy who now wields considerable influence among their base. Exit question: What if? What if they had endorsed him after Iowa?

Update: I don’t know what the story is with Weyrich but all this vacillating isn’t doing him any favors.

Recently I received a phone call from someone asking if former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney should be Arizona Senator John McCain’s selection for Vice President of the United States.

I said, “No” because I did not think this was the best path for Romney right now; nor was it, in my view, the right fit for McCain. My understanding was that this was to be a personal letter to the Senator; it was not clear to me that this was to be an advertisement.

Thus, I now request that my involvement in this effort be disregarded as this effort to influence the Senator moves on.


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We did back Huck…we backed him right out of the race, right where he belongs, on the sidelines.

right2bright on April 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

I am still proud of Fred….For knocking out Huck.

tort_feasor on April 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Exit question: What if? What if they had endorsed him after Iowa?

He still only wins the South and gets trounced elsewhere. Race might be on, but he’d be playing the role of Hillary with few states left to his name.

Vizzini on April 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM

He still only wins the South and gets trounced elsewhere. Race might be on, but he’d be playing the role of Hillary with few states left to his name.

Vizzini on April 8, 2008 at 6:26 PM

And quite possibly damages cripples destroys the reputation of the religious right among their natural allies in the Republican Party for decades to come.

RushBaby on April 8, 2008 at 6:29 PM

What if? What if they had endorsed him after Iowa?

1) He’d still be a moron; and

2) If he’d won the nomination, we’d have a Republican nominee that is even worse than the one we ended up with.

thirteen28 on April 8, 2008 at 6:30 PM

He chose…poorly.

Big S on April 8, 2008 at 6:35 PM

It’s time we faced the facts. IT WAS A WEAK FIELD. Giuliani is a pro-abort and thus unacceptable to a huge part of the base, including me. Romney is a flip-flopper with, let’s just say, religious beliefs outside the mainstream. Huck has leftist tendencies, especially fiscal ones. Teh Fred! (still my favorite) never caught fire in his belly or elsewhere. We’re stuck with amnesty loving, conservative despising McCain. I understand the disappointment with McCain. I will criticize him until November, continue to criticize him as I pull the lever for him, and then criticize him some more. If McCain wins, and I pray he does, we conservatives should act as the loyal opposition from Day One. What I don’t understand is the felt need to choose a successor or alternative to McCain from among the lousy field he defeated. We’ve got some great conservatives ripening in Congress and in governorships. Let’s pick one of them in four years and say goodbye and good riddance to the pathetic Class of 2008.
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Something evangelical conservatives need to recognize/remember about Huckabee. He made common cause with the lib Baptists, not the conservative ones, as a pastor and denomination leader. Let him go.

boko fittleworth on April 8, 2008 at 6:37 PM

The remorse over nominee McCain is just beginning.

Valiant on April 8, 2008 at 6:38 PM

They should have backed the Oneness Pentecostals, but that’s another whole story!

SouthernGent on April 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Get over the Mitt as flip flopper characterization…It’s old, tired, boring and insignificant. Look at the candidate we have now who voted against tax cuts before he was for them…IMHO Mitt is the most capable Republican we have seen in a generation. Thanks to the Babtists of America he was shut-down in essentially a four way with Thompson, Huckabee and McCain…Let’s hope that McCain can squeak out a win and maybe Mitt will be around the next time.

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Amnesty is coming! Can we get any McCain concessions like the need to speak english before getting a VISA

PrezHussein on April 8, 2008 at 6:47 PM

The thought of Huckabee as President starts to make Obama an attractive candidate.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 8, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Amazing what FEAR a honest man (Mitt) strikes in the heart of the Hypocrites(Huck, Thompson, Guiliani, McCain who campaigns traded info how to stop Romney}

PrezHussein on April 8, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Richard Land swoons for Fred Thompson… I don’t know what that’s about

I do – Huckabee is unelectable no matter how much fire in the belly he has.

rhodeymark on April 8, 2008 at 6:54 PM

The Huckster is just a huckster … Like Obambi, all shuck and jive no substance.

tarpon on April 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Amnesty is coming! Can we get any McCain concessions like the need to speak english before getting a VISA

PrezHussein on April 8, 2008 at 6:47 PM

What about MasterCard and American Express? Seriously, though, requiring somebody to speak the language before they even visit our country is a bit much.

ErikTheRed on April 8, 2008 at 7:05 PM

evangelical leaders: We should have backed Huckabee

No.

davidk on April 8, 2008 at 7:08 PM

The evangelicals puzzle me on this. I thought the right was above identity politics. The issue for me was always Huckabee’s record in Arkansas. It didn’t pass the smell test.

Feedie on April 8, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Amazing what FEAR a honest man (Mitt) strikes in the heart of the Hypocrites(Huck, Thompson, Guiliani, McCain who campaigns traded info how to stop Romney}

PrezHussein on April 8, 2008 at 6:52 PM

The guy who changed positions like most of us change socks was the honest, non-hypocritical one?

Hollowpoint on April 8, 2008 at 7:22 PM

This Christian is glad Huck didnt get any further. I hope he goes for a talk show rather than stay in politics.

aikidoka on April 8, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Is that it? Did electability sink him?

Eh, as long as something sank Elmer Gantry. That’s all that really matters.

ReubenJCogburn on April 8, 2008 at 7:27 PM

1) He’d still be a moron; and

2) If he’d won the nomination, we’d have a Republican nominee that is even worse than the one we ended up with.

thirteen28 on April 8, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Amen. Read my mind on that one.

austinnelly on April 8, 2008 at 7:56 PM

The christian right is neither.

Roger Waters on April 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Huckabee was attractive to many evangelicals because he did not attempt to separate his personal faith from influencing his worldview and policy stands; a position that was once orthodoxy in this post-Christian nation.

medguy on April 8, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I am still proud of Fred….For knocking out Huck.

tort_feasor on April 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM

But if he had attacked both Huck and Johnny Mac then he or Romney could have been the nominee.

Maybe I need to lay off it.

OneGyT on April 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Being told they should have endorsed Huckabee by the man who is the conservatives’ equivalent of Mikey in the old Life Cereal ad isn’t exactly a hindsight look at an action that could have changed the election.

Weyrich is the one who wanted to throw Ronald Reagan under the bus during his presidency because in Paul’s eyes he had betrayed the conservative movement. His sudden wistfulness for the principles of Mike Huckabee is only there because he’s speaking in front of a bunch of evangelicals and realized Huck’s trying to become their official spokesperson for at least the 2009-2012 period, and the fact that Huck’s not the presidential nominee; McCain is. Were Huckabee to have earned the nomination, Weyrich would be wistfully nostalgic about the candidacy of Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo.

jon1979 on April 8, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Has everybody forgotten how spectacularly unqualified and unprepared The Huckster is for the job he was (and currently IS) seeking????

EJDolbow on April 8, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Finally Weyrich has come to his senses and realized Huck was the best candidate all along!

If only Romni wouldn’t have been in the race, evangelicals would have been able to back Huckabee without having the leftists crucify them for bias against mormons!

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM

In a quiet, brief, but passionate speech, Weyrich essentially confessed that he and the other leaders should have backed Huckabee, a candidate who shared their values more fully than any other candidate in a generation. He agreed with Farris that many conservative leaders had blown it. By chasing other candidates with greater visibility, they failed to see what many of their supporters in the trenches saw clearly: Huckabee was their guy.

Oooooooooohhhhh… head! Acetominophen. Aspirin. Naproxen. Wall.

silverfox on April 8, 2008 at 8:50 PM

Huckabee was the only candidate that would have beat the democrats in a 49 state sweep!

Huckabee was the most electable candidate…evangelicals liked him,conservatives liked him,Christian democrats liked him,independents liked him..everybody except the Godless heathen atheists(a very small % of USA)liked him because he seemed HONEST…it would have been a landslide victory!

Instead… even if we win now, this country will go straight down the tubes…we’ll annex mexico..we’ll institute huge global warming taxes..Mccain will do nothing to fix the economy…we’ll stop successfully interrogating terrorists…we’ll protect muslim kosovo and probably end up bombing Christian Serbia..we’ll divide israel and create a muslim terrorists state with jerusalem as it’s capital etc. etc. etc.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Oh I forgot to mention with Mccain as Prez we’ll never become energy independent….that was one of the best parts of Huck’s platform..total energy independence within 5 years or so.

What is Mccain’s plan for energy independence?

^^Crickets^^

Oh that’s right…get rid of ethanol subsidies so we can buy more oil from muslim terrorists…Woo hoo!

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:07 PM

The SoCons sure know how to pick thier “leaders”.

Greenhorn on April 8, 2008 at 9:14 PM

boko fittleworth on April 8, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Well said. I agree.

Connie on April 8, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Huckabee has been the worst candidate for the GOP. His religious bigoted identity politics was the ugliest part of the Republican primary.

As a non practicing Protestent (agnostic) conservative voter, Mitt Romney (and his story) reminded me about what I like in religious people. Throughout his campaign he advocated secularism, even in his profound speech on religion he struck a wonderful balance.

On the otherhand, Mike Huckabee, his story and his actions remind me what I detest in religious people….the pious, judgemental and bigoted parts of religion.

Plus I don’t like how he treats his wife. Read a story that when having to make her way down a very steep staircase, Huckabee ahead of his wife, did nothing, did nothing to help her get down the staircase. The man has a huge ego and no class. Bad combination.

sheryl on April 8, 2008 at 9:24 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Good to see you taking cues from Chosen One and the other anti-Romney trolls. Are you the table setter now? The opening act? Nice cricket incorporation into your gig… true crowd pleaser. Now that you have all the Romney venom out, is it time to start hammering Mormons again? Remember to hit the submit button so you can over inflate the threads with your on-point analysis.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:25 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:01 PM

No. Across-the-board (social AND fiscal) conservatives did not like him. Or trust him. Or think there was much that was Christian about his campaign behavior. That was Huckabee’s downfall.

Connie on April 8, 2008 at 9:26 PM

That charlatan Huckabee was and is strictly a moonshine salesman.

Hilts on April 8, 2008 at 9:27 PM

Connie on April 8, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Good point. Always hard to trust a guy who cleans out the governors’ mansion on exit. Very religious thing to do.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:25 PM

Yes romnee was a phony..but if you noticed, in this thread my main beef is with Juan Sanchez and the fact that he is a totally unfit nominee/president.

All romni did was help divide the party when all along he was a totally unfit candidate himself, with ZERO chance of winning the general election.

If Romni was not running we would have ended up with an acceptable nominee.

Romnee never should have ran in the first place because he never would have won the general election..his purpose was to divide the so-cons and force Ministers and Christian leaders to NOT make endorsements for fear of being called bigots by the leftists.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:35 PM

And yes, fiscal conservatives liked him…do you not realize that a huge portion of his support came from non religious people who support the fair tax?

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:37 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Romney’s purpose was to bring literacy and grammar to all saints, including you Olaf. Sorry you missed out.

On a related note:
his focus was on fixing Washington, not picking on you and your latent hostility to all things non-fundamentalist-evangelical. A guy with a Harvard MBA/JD versus chipmunk-popping-and-eating, aw-shucks, media whore? You do the math.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Huckabee would have been the worst candidate and I can prove it with one word: Sermons

sheryl on April 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Pipe dream on the fair tax front. It would take more than lip service for Huckabee to pull that off, and he did not have the political juice to pull it off. He could hardly unite evangelicals. Saying things like blow-up the IRS is great for bumper stickers, but you have to find a practical starting point. Platitudes and grins don’t constitute sound governance.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM

BTW I did like Romenys energy independence plan better than Mccain’s non existent one.

The problem is I didn’t believe a word out of his mouth.

He did a complete 180 on every single one of his beliefs…just in time to run for president as a republican.

Not buying it.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Sheryl – I saw the same thing. He walked down the steep stairs off of the stage during the filming at Fox, and never even put his hand back to help his wife down the stairs. And to me it looked like she stopped and was a little unsure about how to get down. Love it. So glad you saw it.
Hey Cold Steel – good to see you again.

Bambi on April 8, 2008 at 9:42 PM

sheryl on April 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM

The media would return equal fire considering the play that Obama’s pastor got. Mike kept his writings under tight wraps, but the prying media would have got someone to leak.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Hey Bambi, thanks for the shout out. Didn’t see it but it was described just as you’ve written. I can’t imagine too many men of class that would not have turned around to help his wife or girlfriend in that situation. It said alot about his nature.

sheryl on April 8, 2008 at 9:46 PM

You think the fair tax was a pipe dream? LOL.

You’re not thinking about the issue very clearly.

It’s very simple.

Huckabee would bring the fair tax into mainstream discussion.

Once the fair tax is common knowledge what do you think people are going to do..agree with it or not?

Uhh…do you want to get rid of the IRS or not?

Do you REALLY think people are going to say… NO DON’T GET RID OF THE IRS!

Get real…once it is a national issue legislation will follow.

That’s a no-brainer.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Cold Steel,

They sure would have and it would have been brutal. Huckabee would have lost us 49 states.

sheryl on April 8, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Likewise Bambi.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Tired talking points covered ad nauseum. Don’t worry St. O, you’ll get another chance to embrace the darkside as Mr. Romney continues to build political capital. Just for you though, I hope he gets a sweet non-elected office so you rip your shirt and spread ash on your face. Come 2012, after my political hibernation ends, I look forward to seeing you at the Romney Rallies. We need more Saints, O.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Romney is a flip-flopper with, let’s just say, religious beliefs outside the mainstream. [...] Teh Fred! (still my favorite) never caught fire in his belly or elsewhere.

Funny, as an atheist, I found Thompson much more a squishy pol than Mitt – although I would have voted for either with much more enthusiasm that I may for McCain. But then I dont have the same rejection criterion that many Christian conservatives and leftist Democrats seem to have. I judge the person, not the faith in which they were raised.

bains on April 8, 2008 at 9:49 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Yeah, Huckabee invented the issue. He was the first to ever bring it to the public stage. Use the rear view and side view mirrors… check the entire picture. Huckabee pandered by striking what he thought would win the heartland. Beyond just saying it, he did not flesh out what to do next. Huckabee is always good for a one liner, but most debate and law require a firmer grasp on the issues.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:51 PM

bains on April 8, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Are you sure your atheist? I mean judging actions versus judging a person (based on ideology or faith) is a little religious. You’re going to make all us religious types look bad.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Most democrats I’ve talked to have said they would have voted for Huckabee in the general because he seemed like an honest man(which is rare or non existent in politics).

49 state win I’m telling you!

Besides polls showed that Huckabee was the one candidate with the least % of people who wouldn’t vote for him.

As for boycotts it was something like 8% for Huck and 9-10% for Mccain….Romeny BTW was at 28% or so….completely unelectable.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:55 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:55 PM

So I get the numbers on Huck, McCain, and Romeny…

but what was Romney’s number? I heard he had the greatest upside, being a go-getter in a lib state, running the Olympics, being a devout Mormon, and all-around good family guy. What were his numbers O?

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 9:57 PM

28%-30% plus would just boycott Romney because of his religion.

I would not be surprised if the actual number was higher than that. Most Christians would feel betrayed and would not want to vote for a party that nominates a mormon for president. That’s just how it is, no offense Cold Steel.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Are you sure your atheist?

Not in today’s lexicon – While I dont believe in God, I do not have faith that God does not exist.

You’re going to make all us religious types look bad.

Can’t help there, today’s atheists make me look bad.

bains on April 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM

A flip-flopping Romney opponent?? Nooo…

Dr B on April 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM

On a serious note, that is an indictment on a lot of people who profess love for God and man. I find your numbers hard to swallow, and I suggest that yours are as anecdotal as mine. 30% of actual voters not voting for someone because he is Mormon is a SWAG at best.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Weyrich, a Romney supporter and one of those Farris had chastised for not supporting Huckabee, steered his wheelchair to the front of the room and slowly turned to face his compatriots. In a voice barely above a whisper, he said, “Friends, before all of you and before almighty God, I want to say I was wrong.”

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Man, and all this time I thought Weyrich was a conservative, now I find out he is both foolish and willing to suck up to bigots.

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I know you may find this hard to believe but something like 78%-85% of Americans profess to be Christians while only 1% or so are mormons.

Maybe Mitt should try to run as a democrat. It worked for Harry Reid who is also a mormon.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:10 PM

A flip-flopping Romney opponent?? Nooo…

Dr B on April 8, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Romney’s going to have to sue for trademark infringement. That’s his brand, baby, and all these others better find new terminology….
might I suggest: hypocrite, two-faced, aisle reacher-acrosser, back stabber…

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Huckabee would bring the fair tax into mainstream discussion.

Once the fair tax is common knowledge what do you think people are going to do..agree with it or not?

Uhh…do you want to get rid of the IRS or not?
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SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:47 PM

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Are you nuts? Read the fine print – nobody in the middle class is going to sign up for the ‘fair’ tax – the rate is about 23%, which is twice what most MC taxpayers are paying under the current system.

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:13 PM

BTW I do think Romney would have run for governor as a democrat if it was not so difficult to get the dem nomination against Kennedy. But even as a “republican” he did promise that he would do more for gay marriage and abortionists than ted kennedy himself.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

And yes, fiscal conservatives liked him…do you not realize that a huge portion of his support came from non religious people who support the fair tax?

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 9:37 PM

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The portion was close to zero, at least for true conservatives, who saw through the huckabigot right away

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM

I know you may find this hard to believe but something like 78%-85% of Americans profess to be Christians while only 1% or so are mormons.

Maybe Mitt should try to run as a democrat. It worked for Harry Reid who is also a mormon.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Mormons now them some Mormons O. We like to get together and do head counts. Thank you for reminding us all of our minority status. Now if you could graciously point me towards the entitlements.

Now, about Mr. Reid. He is not my favorite Democrat. Mitt is a great Republican who can do much for the party. The man has capital, and McCain and the RNC would be wise to tap him. Don’t blur your vision over misconception.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:15 PM

BTW I do think Romney would have run for governor as a democrat if it was not so difficult to get the dem nomination against Kennedy. But even as a “republican” he did promise that he would do more for gay marriage and abortionists than ted kennedy himself.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Try and quote the talking points verbatim. Don’t stray and inject your own thoughts on it.

PS. Thank you for spelling Romney correctly. I knew that you could.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I know you may find this hard to believe but something like 78%-85% of Americans profess to be Christians while only 1% or so are [sic] mormons.

I wonder, with this in mind, why you think Dems regularly poll at 48%? Or are Mormons more evil than Dems?

bains on April 8, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Huckabee was a fine communicator and he was a master at destroying his opponent’s arguments. His only flaw was asserting a bold Christian faith. Aparently everyone feels free to attack anyone asserting Christian faith like he means it. Just remember The American culture is based upon the judeo-christian world view. When that’s gone American culture will be replaced with something else. What that will be maybe far more offensive to you than embarrasing parts of Christian traditions.

jimw on April 8, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Be careful with St. O. You drag him out in the deep end and he’s going to get scared and probably drown you. Baby steps… no full blown interventions just yet. It’s hard to ween a Huckabigot off squirrel.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:13 PM

That’s not true..first you don’t get taxed for living expenses up to poverty level you get a prebate.

Second you don’t get taxed on your income but in new retail goods and once only. Used items have no tax.

Third the fair tax (combined with energy independence) is the only way to end runaway inflation and would be a huge benefit to this country’s economy. It would immediately bring $12 trillion back into the economy at least and would make our products competetive with other countries products.
Right now they have a competetive disadvantage.

When you add it up NOBODY pays 23% of their income it is much less…actually roughly half that amount.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM

jimw on April 8, 2008 at 10:20 PM

With all due respect jimw, did you watch the debates? Huckabee was the master of changing the subject and consistently focusing on 2 or 3 favorite hits. 2 sentences into any rebuttal and he would fall apart. Huckabee was good at connecting with people on game/talk/comedy shows, but dude needs a script almost as bad as Obama. Huckabee is just lucky Mitt and Fred had Ron to slap around.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Huckabee was a fine communicator deceiver and he was a master at destroying making bigoted statements about his opponent’s arguments beliefs. His only flaw was asserting a bold Christian faith lying about the other candidates.

jimw on April 8, 2008 at 10:20 PM

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Fixed it for you…

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Thank you. I kept hitting my monitor, and it kept saying the same thing.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Huckabee was a fine communicator and he was a master at destroying his opponent’s arguments. His only flaw was asserting a bold Christian faith. Aparently everyone feels free to attack anyone asserting Christian faith like he means it. Just remember The American culture is based upon the judeo-christian world view. When that’s gone American culture will be replaced with something else. What that will be maybe far more offensive to you than embarrasing parts of Christian traditions.

jimw on April 8, 2008 at 10:20 PM

That is the best analysis I’ve heard in quite awhile. Thanks.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:27 PM

BTW ColdSteel Huckabee wrote all of his own speeches.

He didn’t even need a script in the first place.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Be careful with St. O. You drag him out in the deep end and he’s going to get scared and probably drown you. Baby steps… no full blown interventions just yet. It’s hard to ween a Huckabigot off squirrel.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

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I know, but this crap has to stop. Huckabee is not a valid candidate, and trying to bring down Romney to bring up the Huck is just pi$$ing us conservatives off. Listen Olaf, your buddy Bush damaged the republican brand, and now the public and both parties are moving to the left in response. Bringing in a candidate who has some of the religious right with none of the fiscal conservatism is the opposite from what is needed.

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM

BTW STO I stated debates. If you saw the debates you would understand. You can write your junk all you want, but you can’t write how others would respond (especially cranky old dudes named McCain.)

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:31 PM

It’s hard to ween a Huckabigot off squirrel.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:21 PM

Geez. I had forgotten all about the squirrel-munching.

RushBaby on April 8, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Any thinking person understands the nature of what happened during the early cycle. Huckabee got that early win and thought he was bullet proof. When he started getting relegated to re-runs and third place finishes, he chummed up to McCain thinking he would get a seat at the table. He played his hand. Now he has to live up to the lap-dog moniker. Huck got favorable press and laughs on the comedy circle, because the dems and the drive-bys had their wildest dream answered: the best stereotypical fundamentalist right-wing, squirrel eater ever. You think they were going to sink him? Talk radio stepped in a little, but it was too late. Thank you Mike for John McCain. I blame Mike Huckabee and the State of Iowa for John McCain.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Huckabee is not a valid candidate

Back to that 78%-85% thing. What other candidate appeals to 80%(and beyond even…fair tax supporters/people who like an HONEST politician etc.)?

Can you name one candidate who has that kind of appeal?

Didn’t think so.

BTW Bush(all religions worship the same God) is not my buddy.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM

And another thing….
what’s more inbred than what Mike and John did in WV?

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:38 PM

I blame Mike Huckabee and the State of Iowa for John McCain.

Why not blame Mitt(a vote for Huck is a vote for Mccain..oops actually I gave my delegates to Mccain so a vote for me literally was a vote for Mccain)Romney!

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

First you butcher spelling. Now you butcher math, sampling, statistics, you name it. There is no way in Arkansas (hell) that he pulls an 85%. Did Huck ever pull that number as governor? Dude wasn’t even pulling those numbers among evangelicals.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:41 PM

I didn’t say votes…I said appeal.

The media and Mccain’s crooked buddies in Washington state,louisiana,michigan,california,SC,oklahoma etc. butchered Huckabee.

It’s called election fraud and media bias.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:44 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Because O: I don’t like honorable campaigns like Huckabee’s. When you say nice things about Mormons…. when you refuse to run hit pieces on another candidate….. when you debate with all the other candidates…. when you refuse to run push ads saying Mitt’s an abortionist…. when you don’t send out anti-religious fliers to different states….

things like that really piss me off.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:45 PM

BTW Bush(all religions worship the same God) is not my buddy.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:37 PM

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I’ll try to use small words to make it easy. Bush pulled the religious right, the fiscal conservatives and the military supporters for his re-election. Shortly afterward, he gave the finger to the fiscals. McCain represents the military, Romney the fiscals, and (sadly) Huck the RR (assuming they are as bigoted as he is). He has no military or fiscal conservatism. Bush damaged the party, and everyone has to take a step back from their desires. Insisting on social values (with Huck of all people) during an economic crunch and a war is the absolute best way to get slaughtered.

Think_b4_speaking on April 8, 2008 at 10:45 PM

I know you may find this hard to believe but something like 78%-85% of Americans profess to be Christians while only 1% or so are mormons.

Maybe Mitt should try to run as a democrat. It worked for Harry Reid who is also a mormon.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Saint, you need get your bigotry straight to make it really stick against the Mormons. The Mormon Church is in fact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints…They are as Christian as they come…You can’t swing a dead squirrel without hitting a church in Utah. More pictures of the Christ child than Rome…

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:44 PM

It’s called non-appeal. Also O, Huck was trying real hard to enter the crooked buddy club.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM

You certainly can’t have a (gasp)Christian who actually believes it win.

It’s evidently ok to call Huck pastor Huckabee even though he was a governor for 10 and a half years.

But let’s just completely skip the fact that Romeny was mormon bishop and call him governor Romeny.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Nozzle I blame you if this thread goes sideways. Usually it takes 5 pages on posts on any Romney or Huckabee thread for St. O and apacalypto to break out the Anti-Mormon/You’re-not-Christian-and-you’re-going-to-hell scripture. You took it there and it’s like rabies with these two.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:50 PM

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Who is this Romeny of whom you speak?

I know Bishop/Governor/Olympic-dude/lawyer/MBA/family man Romney. He would have made a most excellent candidate. Guess will have to wait till 2012, huh O?

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Saint, you need get your bigotry straight to make it really stick against the Mormons. The Mormon Church is in fact the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints…They are as Christian as they come…You can’t swing a dead squirrel without hitting a church in Utah. More pictures of the Christ child than Rome…

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Saint is just pissed that he’s an Olde Tyme Saint, and not a Latter-day Saint. He just needs a little nudge. We’ll be here for you O.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 10:53 PM

They are as Christian as they come…You can’t swing a dead squirrel without hitting a church in Utah. More pictures of the Christ child than Rome…

There you go again..

I don’t know if you’re a mormon or just someone completely unaware of Christianity.

But the fact is LDS and Christianity are two completely seperate religions.

Let’s just leave it at that..We have our religion and they have theirs…Christians do not accept Mormons as being Christian and mormons do not accept Christians as being mormons.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Cold steel, I got your back…I thought you might be getting tired of clubbing STO into oblivion…

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

They are as Christian as they come…You can’t swing a dead squirrel without hitting a church in Utah. More pictures of the Christ child than Rome…

There you go again..

I don’t know if you’re a mormon or just someone completely unaware of Christianity.

But the fact is LDS and Christianity are two completely seperate religions.

Let’s just leave it at that..We have our religion and they have theirs…Christians do not accept Mormons as being Christian and mormons do not accept Christians as being mormons.

SaintOlaf on April 8, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Thank you again Nozzle. It’s your turn to put him back in his cage, because he can’t play nicely with others. Oh, and save a spot for me in hell, cause you said something or other about Mormons, and St. O will probably send us there within the next 3 posts.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Saint, I have no interest in splitting hairs with you but I always thought that if you accepted Jesus Christ as your saviour, then well, you were in fact Christian…I’ll leave it at that.

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Cold steel, I got your back…I thought you might be getting tired of clubbing STO into oblivion…

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 11:01 PM

That’s very un-Republican of you. Most Repubs are backstabbers… thanks for the support. I tried beating down his logic in a different thread, but he doesn’t know how to stay down. Try not to get too frustrated when he doesn’t answer directly, or he stumbles down a third and fourth squirrel hole (gratuitous squirrel reference). Also, per previous warning, get a fire extinguisher and an asbestos suit handy.

Cold Steel on April 8, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Cheers…I’m outta here! Catch you on the circuits…

Nozzle on April 8, 2008 at 11:10 PM

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