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John McCain will directly target Barack Obama in a speech this morning at the VFW at its national headquarters in Kansas City, Missouri. …

MB4 on April 8, 2008 at 1:57 AM

Hey MB4, take a look at the post on Obama, Obama argues just like you…”I never said what I said….”

Steve Z on April 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Yes, notice how the “world hates America” line has been dropped by the Dems?

Obama probably wouldn’t find France very friendly these days, but his election would bring a smile to Ahmadinejad’s face–as Obama pulls out our troops, he would move his in…

MB4 on April 8, 2008 at 1:57 AM

As I said, read what you wrote…you are like many weak minded writers, you couch your positition with “question marks”, but you stated,if I don’t agree then I call him a leftist. I disagreed with what he had written in the past and never called him a leftist…but then you won’t admit making an error…which once again, makes your arguments riddled with lies.

but if he says something that you don’t like, then he is a “leftist”?.

And now you are stating that is just a question, and not a rhetorical comment? How foolish of you to lie, and then try to slink out of it with a weak argument.
Like I said, the advantage is yours, you play the victim card, you lie about statements never made, but you never have to face the man you lie about…how brave of you.

Do you not even know what a question mark is?

Gee is that a real question, or a rhetorical one…get it?
You are one of the few that argue with themselves in the same post…that is why no one takes you serious.

Even apart from the stupidity of not recognizing that al-Qaeda is already in Iraq now

Remember, you have to parse the words carefully. The left does not consider AQI to be AQ. Therefore, Obama would not send troops back into Iraq until he saw bin Laden broadcasting from Baghdad. Of course, we all know that, by then, it would be way too late. (”Live! From the main ballroom of the beautiful Palestine Hotel in downtown Baghdad, it’s Osama bin Laden’s “Kill the Infidel” hour. I’m Azzam al-Amriki, and now, heeeeerrre’s Osama!” the crowd ululates with joy)

…re-enacting the Second Battle of Fallujah all across Iraq.

Which we would have to do because the second time around, there won’t be no friggin’ Sons of Iraq or Awakening movements to help us out and nobody will show up for any elections we manage to organize. The insurgency would go on for decades, assuming we had the balls to stay that long and since we’re talking about leaving just as peace is breaking out, I don’t think that’s a real possibility.

HunnyWaggin on April 7, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Good point on how childish calling troll is, but I think that something like “The advantage you have of not facing a man that you lie to…” has got that beat by a country mile on the childish scale, even from someone who appears to not know what a question mark is.

lol.

I never called Sowell a leftist, never?…another assumption, well in this case an outright lie.
So now we all listen to MB4, when he begins losing an argument, he makes things up.
Find where I ever called Sowell a leftist…I leave you twisting in the wind, while you choke on your lies.
The advantage you have of not facing a man that you lie to…

right2bright on April 7, 2008 at 9:49 PM

This is what I said:

So is Sowell a “leftist” when he says that? Or maybe to you it just all depends on what he says? If he says something that you like (and he has said some of those things, I could even quote a couple of those myself, but you can be in charge of that) then he is a good source, but if he says something that you don’t like, then he is a “leftist”?.

MB4 on April 7, 2008 at 2:39 PM

You even block quoted it yourself.

What the he$$ is your problem anyway?

Do you not even know what a question mark is?

Do you not even know the difference between a question and a statement?

Are you almost blind (In which case I will have to excuse you, but then you really should get some kind of glasses.) or just profoundly unintelligent or do you just like playing the victim?

Oh and your infantile “The advantage you have of not facing a man that you lie to…” was really rich. Grow up.

MB4..
Been on patrol since 0400…489 miles
Reserve force early…04.08.2008…!

J_Gocht on April 7, 2008 at 10:34 PM

The Infantry walks, the Artillery rides.

Shot over, shot out.

The cost of losing a war is always greater than the cost of sustaining it.

Immolate on April 7, 2008 at 4:36 PM

That is absurd on it’s face.

So why do they keep asking to go back? One of the two of us is missing something here. I’m betting that it’s you.

Immolate on April 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM

What percent of the troops in Iraq do you think specifically asked to go back to Iraq? Could you give some reference from the U.S. Army on that?

BTW, as to that betting thing, I’m betting you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8p0bro9RM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8p0bro9RM

So is Sowell a “leftist” when he says that? Or maybe to you it just all depends on what he says? If he says something that you like (and he has said some of those things, I could even quote a couple of those myself, but you can be in charge of that) then he is a good source, but if he says something that you don’t like, then he is a “leftist”?.

MB4 on April 7, 2008 at 2:39 PM

But now that the surge is working, even he is changing his mind. That’s what intelligent people do, they look at the facts and respond.
As I said (and he said), the war was mis-mangaged, now it is moving in the right direction, and intelligent people recognize that., and adapt their stance.
You sure make a lot of assumptions…and you sure quote people out of context.
I never called Sowell a leftist, never?…another assumption, well in this case an outright lie.
So now we all listen to MB4, when he begins losing an argument, he makes things up.
Find where I ever called Sowell a leftist…I leave you twisting in the wind, while you choke on your lies.
The advantage you have of not facing a man that you lie to…

Trolls on parade…

PatriotPete on April 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM

can we end the whole “you’re a troll!…NO! YOU’RE a troll!” thing? you have no idea how childish that all is. i would rather be a troll, than to be so infantile, as to cry “troll” constantly. its actually more childish than to have someone who reaches the inevitable loss of words, and resorts to correcting my spelling and my grammar. so i suggest that everyone that signed on after PatriotPete…is a troll, and you/we all must go. Leave the board to the most professional and mature intellectuals, such as PatriotPete and all who came before him (but not AFTER him) OK? then its all over and we will know by this…date…this Holy moment that PatriotPete signed on and marked the moment of intelligence, professionalism, maturity and class.

Most of them are probably of the pretty sick-and-tired-of-baby-sitting-muslims mentality by now.

So why do they keep asking to go back? One of the two of us is missing something here. I’m betting that it’s you.

The Army released its annual mental health survey

MB4 on April 7, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Of course what does the Army know? They may be just another one of those left wing organizations for all we know.

It seems to me that anyone volunteering for either service after March 2003 would have known exactly where they were bound

I doubt that many thought that they would be going on multiple extended 15 month tours with 12 months “off”. Remember now it was years ago that Dick “Deadeye” Cheney said that “The insurgency is in it’s last throws”.

What do you think about those who volunteered specifically with the hopes of going to Iraq?

Probably a minority and most of those who did specifically join wanting to go to Iraq probably wanted to go for one 12 month tour, not beaucoup 15 month tours.

What is your estimate of their mentality?

Immolate on April 7, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Most of them are probably of the pretty sick-and-tired-of-baby-sitting-muslims mentality by now.

BTW, you should maybe check out some Army Surgeon General reports sometime and read what they say about all those multiple tours.

I’ll give you a snippet.

March 6, 2008 · The Army released its annual mental health survey Thursday and found that one in five soldiers deployed to Iraq suffer from some mental health problem. For those on second and third deployments, about a third suffer from mental health problems. The Army medical command is now recommending well times to match time deployed — an initiative that’s opposed by the Bush administration.

jl on April 7, 2008 at 5:31 PM

OK, jl, I “cheated” and read the rest of your “intellectual” comments and what the lady said applies to them as well. Boy does it ever!!! She had you pegged in advance.

That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
- Michelle Malkin

Please try to make more of an intellectual effort next time.

Everybody in Iraq is a volunteer anyway. They probably didn’t volunteer for Iraq, let alone multiple 15 month tours, with 12 months back, but hey! they must love it and certainly don’t want anyone to say the “retreated”, so let’s just all go shopping!

So you’re saying that most of the troops in Iraq didn’t “volunteer for Iraq”? Does that mean that more than half of those in Iraq have been in the Marines or Army for at least five years? It seems to me that anyone volunteering for either service after March 2003 would have known exactly where they were bound, or those who reenlisted, or declined to retire after their twenty. What percentage of those in Iraq do you believe have not either joined, re-upped and/or declined to retire in 60 months? Honestly. I’m guessing the percentage is somewhere around truther numbers.

What do you think about those who volunteered specifically with the hopes of going to Iraq? What is your estimate of their mentality?

MB4
Your posts – this series in particular – are anti-intellectual.

jl on April 7, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Now you really don’t think that I am going to bother to read the rest of your comment after that extreme anti-intellectual remark by you, do you?

That’s what you resort to when you’re losing the debate — name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
- Michelle Malkin

Someone else, doing it tongue-in-cheek of course, said pretty much the same thing.

This rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion my adversaries are insane.
- Mark Twain.

Man, I really think McCain is making a huge mistake by saying the the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do. It makes him seem out to lunch. I believe most Americans, knowing what we know now about how the war has gone, would rather have left Saddam Hussein in power. I, for one, would prefer to have left Saddam in power, knowing that he didn’t have stockpiles of WMD.

I think it’s extremely dangerous for McCain to play this card when Iraq could go to hell at any moment.

Enrique on April 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM

But no one knew before the war that he didn’t have them. Our intelligence said he did, Spain, Britain, Australia etc, their intelligence also said he had them.
Even Bill Clinton said he had those weapons.
I am sick of people trying to rewrite history, most governments and intelligence agencies thought that Iraq had WMD.
All those that say that Bush lied are liars themselves.

http://armyaunt.johnmccain.com/