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Time reporter in Baghdad: Every Iraqi I know is praying for a McCain victory

posted at 1:49 pm on April 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Well, every Iraqi willing to talk politics, anyway. I’d like to call this “good news” but the context is grim, albeit obvious to everyone but the left:

For Sunnis, al-Sadr’s continued clout is a warning and a provocation. In the district of Adhamiyah, a Sahwa [i.e. Awakening] fighter named Mahmoud (like his Mahdi Army counterpart, he gave only his first name) tells me there can be no reconciliation between the sects “as long as Muqtada is alive.” Then he makes a grim prediction: “Right now, the Americans want us to fight against al-Qaeda, and that’s fine. But we know the real fight will be in the future, with the Mahdi Army. We are getting ready for it.” Fattah, in Sadr City, is preparing for the same fight. “The Americans protect the [Sahwa] for the moment, but we know who they are; we have lists,” he says. “When the time comes, we will know what to do with them.”

The Baghdadis caught between these extremes know that the only thing standing in the way of another sectarian conflagration is the U.S. military. This may explain why every Iraqi who offers me a view on American politics seems to be praying for a McCain victory. A 100-year American military presence, of which McCain once spoke, may seem a bit much; I suspect most Iraqis would be happy with five.

In other words, they’re worried that the Democratic pullout plan will lead to a round of ethnic cleansing, a scenario Her Majesty has already duly vetted and made peace with. Curiously, McCain was the only candidate without support among the Iraqi Army in CNN’s anecdotal segment, although given the sectarian elements within the force, maybe that’s less contradictory than it seems. But do follow the link and read the Time piece in full, as there is bona fide good news for the moment: “Driving into Baghdad from the airport, I see other changes. In commercial districts, more shops and businesses are open than there were a year ago. Shoppers are taking the time to haggle with vegetable vendors–a contrast to the furtive, hurried transactions I remember. There are no queues at the gas stations. Baghdad even sounds different. In my first two days, I hear no explosions or gunfire.” You may hear that passage quoted a time or two by Republican senators this week when Petraeus comes before Congress.

Speaking of which, the Times of London reports this morning that U.S. commanders believe the Quds Force was on the ground with the JAM in Basra, helping to direct operations. Iran wouldn’t really get involved in a hot war on behalf of its proxies, though, would it? Perish the thought.


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I would imagine that a fair number of “undocumented workers” pray for this too.

bbz123 on April 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I’m sure someone at the New York offices of Time or one of the other big media outlets will now have reports scouring Baghdad for Iraqis supporting Obama or Hillary for election, and we’ll see those stories show up over the next few days and weeks. Just don’t expect the stories to have much background on exactly what kind of motivation an Iraqi citizen would have in order to favor a Democratic win in November and a quick U.S. withdrawal next year.

jon1979 on April 6, 2008 at 1:54 PM

I think the Iraqis are coming around to the Idea that there is something to this freedom idea.

If Iraq stabilizes it will prove that a majority muslim country can try democracy (unlike Turkey which has to limit islamicism. I think Iraq would be served as well in doing that.)

William Amos on April 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

The nuts on the left are going to pissed at Obama come the general election. They will feel betrayed when Hope and Change starts talking about reductions instead of withdrawals.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

I would imagine that a fair number of “undocumented workers” pray for this too.

bbz123 on April 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM

They’re praying, but it’s not for him. They’d take him, but they’d want a liberal Democrat first. He may be more pro-amnesty than most of us like, but he’s nothing on entitlements and amnesty compared with Barack Obama.

amerpundit on April 6, 2008 at 2:00 PM

What did the data show about how many of these Iraqis suffer from death by heart attack due to the stress of wanting McC to win?

bbz123 on April 6, 2008 at 2:07 PM

The nuts on the left are going to pissed at Obama come the general election. They will feel betrayed when Hope and Change starts talking about reductions instead of withdrawals.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

That they are truly stupid enough to believe that crap will make watching the meltdown all the more glorious.

SouthernGent on April 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I think that McCain would make a wonderful President for Iraq. I’d pay big money to help him campaign.

Unfortunately, he is running for President of America.

LegendHasIt on April 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM

This may explain why every Iraqi who offers me a view on American politics seems to be praying for a McCain victory. A 100-year American military presence, of which McCain once spoke, may seem a bit much; I suspect most Iraqis would be happy with five.

It’s killing them to have to report this, so they slip in a zinger about the “100 years” comment.

forest on April 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM

100 years of welfare for Iraq? Who’s not for that?

Valiant on April 6, 2008 at 2:13 PM

The nuts on the left are going to pissed at Obama come the general election. They will feel betrayed when Hope and Change starts talking about reductions instead of withdrawals.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM
That they are truly stupid enough to believe that crap will make watching the meltdown all the more glorious.

SouthernGent on April 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM

It’s not stupidity. Well, it’s not just stupidity. I always say they wear birkenstocks because they can’t tie their own shoes, but there’s something else going on with these people. They’re infants. If they don’t get get what they want, no matter how unrealistic, they ball up their tiny fists and throw a fit. Sometimes the fits include puppets and paper mache, but they’re still no different than my 3 year old niece, crying and screeching.

trubble on April 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM

It’s killing them to have to report this, so they slip in a zinger about the “100 years” comment.

forest on April 6, 2008 at 2:12 PM

To their credit, they do say “presence” not “war” as Obama says.

amerpundit on April 6, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Domestic issues trump foreign issues for me, because if we can’t take care of ourselves, how dare we try and fix others? I support the war effort, but I’m still not voting for MexicCain.

HYTEAndy on April 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Andy,

If you are in favor of socialized medicine and tax increases, your stance makes good sense.

forest on April 6, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Iran wouldn’t really get involved in a hot war on behalf of its proxies, though, would it?

Of course not! Silly AP, the Iranians are our friends.

quoted a time or two by Republican senators

And Liebs. Having Liebs in Congress allows us to say “the troop surge has bipartisan support”.

malan89 on April 6, 2008 at 2:35 PM

My friends and colleagues all warn me against reading too much into the signs of progress.

You write for Time Magazine? Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

malan89 on April 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM

forest on April 6, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Exactly. Granted, it’s a case of frying pan and fire, but I’ll still take the frying pan, thanks.

Quisp on April 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Some of the Iraqis I work with (dual citizenship, work with us military folks) voted for Hillary in the primaries. I don’t know their reasoning but there you have it: a counterexample.

Chap on April 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM

If I was getting $6000 a year from the American taxpayers (which every single Iraqi is), I’d vote for the guy who was going to keep that sweet, sweet pork flowing for 100 years, too.

alphie on April 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM

By Bush’s Own Standard, Surge Has Failed.

Before Gen. David Petraeus’ report, and to give it a context of optimism, the president visited Iraq’s Anbar province to underscore the success of the surge in making some hitherto anarchic areas less so. More significant, however, was the fact that the president did not visit Baghdad. This underscored the fact that the surge has failed, as measured by the president’s and Petraeus’ standards of success.

Those who today stridently insist that the surge has succeeded also say they are especially supportive of the president, Petraeus and the military generally. But at the beginning of the surge, both Petraeus and the president defined success in a way that took the achievement of success out of America’s hands.

The purpose of the surge, they said, is to buy time — “breathing space,” the president says — for Iraqi political reconciliation. Because progress toward that has been negligible, there is no satisfactory answer to this question: What is the U.S. military mission in Iraq?

Many of those who insist that the surge is a harbinger of U.S. victory in Iraq are making the same mistake they made in 1991 when they urged an advance on Baghdad, and in 2003 when they underestimated the challenge of building democracy there. The mistake is exaggerating the relevance of U.S. military power to achieve political progress in a society riven by ethnic and sectarian hatreds. America’s military leaders, who are professional realists, do not make this mistake.

The progress that Petraeus reports in improving security in portions of Iraq is real. It might, however, have two sinister aspects.

First, measuring sectarian violence is problematic: The Washington Post reports that a body with a bullet hole in the front of the skull is considered a victim of criminality; a hole in the back of the skull is evidence of sectarian violence. But even if violence is declining, that might be partly because violent sectarian cleansing has separated Sunni and Shiite communities. This homogenization of hostile factions — trained and armed by U.S. forces — may bear poisonous fruit in a full-blown civil war.

Second, brutalities by al-Qaeda in Iraq have indeed provoked some Sunni leaders to collaborate with U.S. forces. But these alliances of convenience might be inconvenient when Shiites again become the Sunnis’ principal enemy.

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A democracy, wrote the diplomat and scholar George Kennan, “fights for the very reason that it was forced to go to war. It fights to punish the power that was rash enough and hostile enough to provoke it — to teach that power a lesson it will not forget, to prevent the thing from happening again. Such a war must be carried to the bitter end.” Which is why “unconditional surrender” was a natural U.S. goal in World War II, and why Americans were so uncomfortable with three “wars of choice” since then — in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq.

What “forced” America to go to war in 2003 — the “gathering danger” of weapons of mass destruction — was fictitious. That is one reason why this war will not be fought, at least not by Americans, to the bitter end. The end of the war will, however, be bitter for Americans, partly because the president’s decision to visit Iraq without visiting its capital confirmed the flimsiness of the fallback rationale for the war — the creation of a unified, pluralist Iraq.

After more than four years of war, two questions persist: Is there an Iraq? Are there Iraqis?

- George Will (September 11, 2007)

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM

The Iraqis I know in the US are also for McCain for what it is worth.

KW64 on April 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM

Geebus MB4, give it a rest. You’ve made your point a hundred times already.

Laddy on April 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM

If Iraq stabilizes it will prove that a majority muslim country can try democracy (unlike Turkey which has to limit islamicism. I think Iraq would be served as well in doing that.)

William Amos on April 6, 2008 at 1:59 PM

And if I had wings, I could fly.

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Geebus MB4, give it a rest. You’ve made your point a hundred times already.

Laddy on April 6, 2008 at 4:05 PM

I have told you a million times not to exaggerate!

Besides, there are still many lost sheep who need to be brought back to the conservative fold.

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:18 PM

I would imagine that a fair number of “undocumented workers” pray for this too.

bbz123 on April 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Well, they win with any candidate winning. It’s no wonder Bush just fast-tracked the wall. How else to stop the millions who would come now, in anticipation of the changes to come in November?

JiangxiDad on April 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM

“as long as Muqtada is alive…”

Car accident?

Food poisoning?

Explosive case of genital warts?

Can’t our CIA come up with a clever way to send Muqtada to Allah?

P.S. MB4 has a man-crush on George Will and is teh ghey.

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Unfortunately, he is running for President of America.

LegendHasIt on April 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Ahem. You are such a naive Gringo. Juan is running for el Presidente America del Norte! The whole enchilada.

You had best lean Espanol. Time is running out.

VinyFoxy on April 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM

P.S. MB4 has a man-crush on George Will and is teh ghey.

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM

P.S. Seven Percent Solution has a man-crush on Juan Plantation McSurgo and is beaucoup teh ghey. Pass it on.

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Can’t our CIA come up with a clever way to send Muqtada to Allah?

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM

I will not be able to attend his funeral, but I will be sure to send a nice card saying that I approve.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I also heard that the terrorists want McCain too, so they can continue with the Gee-hod.
No matter who wins, it’s just a matter of time before the next 9/11.

Christine on April 6, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I still say the CNN moment was staged. How curious that one of the students was a 50-year-old man who mouthed the party line on the Dems! He was sent to keep all the students in line! And I bet he was a goon sent to make sure CNN got what it came for: another notch in its defeatist armory.

PattyJ on April 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM

I was expecting something a bit better from someone with your intelligence……. but, it will do, consider it “passed on”. :O)

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 4:47 PM

I was just trying to talk your slang, Bunny.

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Fair enough……….

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Seven Percent Solution, aka xxxxxxxxxxxx, how do you explain MB4’s love for Diana West then?

Entelechy on April 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM

On a very practical note: If we have done nothing else in Iraq, we have earned the right to establish — and maintain — long-term military bases in that country, for our OWN strategic purposes, regardless of conditions in Iraq (conditions which, however, will obviously be better for our continued presence there).

sanantonian on April 6, 2008 at 6:02 PM

“Domestic issues trump foreign issues for me, because if we can’t take care of ourselves, how dare we try and fix others? I support the war effort, but I’m still not voting for MexicCain.

HYTEAndy on April 6, 2008 at 2:20 PM”

Andy, Check this out: http://www.4law.co.il/shoftym1.files/image025.jpg

And this:

http://www.4law.co.il/shoftym1.files/image025.jpg

Hey, but vote your conscience, just be aware of what you will be voting for. 30+ years of probably 2 or more gingsburg types on the SCOTUS.

This election is not about the next 4 years, it’s about the next generation.

SoldiersMom on April 6, 2008 at 6:16 PM

sanantonian on April 6, 2008 at 6:02 PM

If the Iraqis are free people, as is often claimed, then they have every right to turn around and say that they don’t agree with you and won’t accept permanent US bases on their territory.

aengus on April 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM

“Seven Percent Solution, aka xxxxxxxxxxxx, how do you explain MB4’s love for Diana West then?

Entelechy on April 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM”

Ummmmmmmmm………… I can’t?

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Andy,

This is Gingsburg when hearing arguments about Roe vs. Wade, Gun Control, Eminent Domain, et al — Head down and ear plugs in place. Are these some of the domestic issues that are important to you?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4250/ginsbergruthweb1rn.jpg

SoldiersMom on April 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM

The Patreus testimony this week will be a real circus. I wish I could go. I’d love to be the balance to Code Pink.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

A little OT…

“Seven Percent Solution, aka xxxxxxxxxxxx,- Entelechy on April 6, 2008 at 6:01 PM”

By the way, only you and Limerick know my true identity……….. I am in your debt.

No, people, I am not him……..

But maybe it is time to bring back the video….

More popcorn anyone?

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

By the way, only you and Limerick know my true identity………..

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

The fates are against you, Watson.

But rest easy as there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.

Holmes on April 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

. I’d love to be the balance to Code Pink.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

It would be a battle of wits. A duel between unarmed opponents. Priceless.

Holmes on April 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Would I be incorrect to suggest that Patreus will do a Congressional appearance and then follow it with a Senatorial? If that is the case, won’t Hillary, Maverick, and Lindsey Graham all be weighing in on the Senate testimony? If so, would any of them “be on the campaign trail” and miss this chance to chime in? Does anyone know when the testimony is? For the first time in a while, I’m full of questions and not a answers.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM

But rest easy as there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.

Holmes on April 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Rest easy 7%, as there’s nothing more deceptive than a fictitious character.

Plus, Lim and I don’t know you from Adam, and if we did, you’d have our back, as we’re both loyal creatures. But, kind advice, keep a low profile, instincts to the contrary. It’s the safe thing to do on the nets.

Entelechy on April 6, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Holmes on April 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

I watched today on CSPAN the replay of Steven Biddle’s testimony to the Senate Armed Forces Committee. The dems allowed Code Pink’s continued attendance, holding up signs, and code pink members to come within feet of witnesses snapping their fifty dollar digi cameras(even though they don’t have press credentials). The dems are so intimidated by these druggies it’s embarrassing. I just have this to say:

If anything ever happens in this country domestically that affects the safety and security of me and my family: I will hunt down every member of Code Pink until by body is cold and lifeless. Not a threat, but a promise.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 6:53 PM

“Holmes on April 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM”

….. the game’s afoot!”

“Entelechy on April 6, 2008 at 6:52 PM”

Words to live by…….

Seven Percent Solution on April 6, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Will Hillary insult the good general again” willing suspension of disbelief”?
if so I sure hope he asks her how she gets to so much as lick his boots being she was pinned down by snippers in Bosnia don’t ya know.

dhunter on April 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM

I think that McCain would make a wonderful President for Iraq. I’d pay big money to help him campaign.

Unfortunately, he is running for President of America.

LegendHasIt on April 6, 2008 at 2:11 PM

My guess is that he’ll wind up running for president of Aztlan some day. Absolute Vodka and Anheiser Bush will fund his campaign.

NNtrancer on April 6, 2008 at 7:13 PM

dhunter on April 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM

For me to believe Hillary will show the General a speckle of respect would require, ” a suspension of disbelief”.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM

sanantonian

Wasn’t that the basic plan all along? The only fly in the ointment is that America didn’t know it’s elbow from any given orifice about Islam. And to add to the insanity, America asks it’s hidden enemy for guidance on dealing with Islam. Thats how it still stands and how it will be for another cycle of political leadership.

We are a long way from the right track.

BL@KBIRD on April 6, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Is there an offensive going on now? I’m hearing murmurs that there is serious fighting going on again in the Basra region right now. If so, I wonder if junior commanders understand how big it would be to bring the Sadrites to their knees before Patreus gets grilled by the Liberal defeatist.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I would imagine that a fair number of “undocumented workers” pray for this too.

bbz123 on April 6, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I was going to applaud you for coming right out of the box first with the stupidest comment in the thread, the rare and famous “First in, First Out” comment.

But then alphie chimed in. What a ripoff. It’s hard to have the stupidest comment in a thread when alphie’s playing.

Jaibones on April 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM

And if I had wings, I could fly.

MB4 on April 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

I guess I’m more open to the idea that people want thins better. I believe most people do want freedom. They are unsure of it at first but it has always caught on.

William Amos on April 6, 2008 at 11:10 PM

100 years of welfare for Iraq? Who’s not for that?

Valiant on April 6, 2008 at 2:13 PM

What? More Nation Building? Obviously, Juan “Z-Visa” McCain is not a Conservative…

DfDeportation on April 6, 2008 at 11:21 PM

I believe most people do want freedom.

William Amos on April 6, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Islam means submission, not freedom.

MB4 on April 7, 2008 at 1:32 AM

I think what we need to do is stay long enough to make sure that the Iraqi army can take win a fight against all of Iran’s proxies in Iraq including Al Sadr’s forces (which seem to be one of Iran’s proxies). Once the army is strong enough we can withdraw more ground troops and mostly just provide air support.

Dollayo on April 7, 2008 at 4:29 AM

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