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It took me about 15 seconds. Here you go.

Sorry. You can also ignore me…..
dave742 on April 7, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Done.

By the by, I can not find verification for any of dave 742’s stats.

dave742 on April 7, 2008 at 7:20 I will be very happy when theUS economy collapses

mmmmm! nuff said.

I was right…. Albert is of znet fame…If you don’t know who he is ck this out….OMG

agreed…

It sounds like you would be happy for the U.S. economy to collapse.

My ideal would be for the workers to run the economy. No vice presidents/CEO’s, no government. Participatory Economy. Parecon, if you know Michael Albert.

You would’nt be in favor of communism would you?

My ideal would be for the workers to run the economy. No vice presidents/CEO’s, no government. Participatory Economy. Parecon, if you know Michael Albert.

I think that you’re toooo close to the drugs or you’re smoking some real strong…..something.
That statement ranks among the most naive and asinine I have ever heard..
There must be some form of a hierarchy or you simply have anarchy, and within the confines of a business that is trying to make a profit………oh wait, you want it to all be equally divided ….yea right…that’s the ticket… As for Michael Albert….I’m assuming of Znet fame ….ahhhh …..yea right …..ROFLMAO…..

The NAZI party was the National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler imprisoned the members of the opposition, Social Democratic Party to gain control of Germany, as did Joseph Stalin, to purge his opposition in the Soviet Union. In Germany both parties were socialist and in the Soviet Union, Stalin and his opposition were both Communist.

Johan Klaus on April 7, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I just hope somebody is carefully documenting the Chavez-ination of Venezuela to use as a classic case of death by socialism. I suspect that there will come a day within the next ten years after he’s gutted the economy that the main source of income for Venezuelans will be remittances sent from relatives in America. The next step, after Chavez’s reforms fail, is the search for traitors to shoot.

I don’t know anything about the economics of shipping oil to China.

dave742 on April 7, 2008 at 2:49 PM

I do, because that is the industry I am in. I can’t predict when the Venezuelan economy will reach a point where Hugo is dumped, any more than could have predicted the day the Berlin Wall fell, but I can tell you it Venezuela is on a downward path, with each passing idiocy by Hugo increasing the slope.

the economics of using very large crude carriers that offloaded in the US Gulf of Mexico to carry Venezuelan crude on their “backhaul” voyage compares very favorably to the costs per barrel of carrying Venezuelan crude to US Gulf refineries on smaller Aframax tankers, as done in the current trade. Thus, if China continues to expand its heavy and sour refining capacity, it would become economically feasible to greatly expand the Sino-Venezuelan oil trade, should both sides agree to do so.”
Oil & Gas Journal
February 18, 2008

dave742 on April 7, 2008 at 1:49 PM

With all due respect, it doesn’t say where the Chinese refining will be – if in China, the VLCCs being larger than Panamax, it would require a substantially longer trip – basically around the world. Also, all the refineries in the best case would take three to four years to complete, so it is a race to see if the concept can be taken to reality before the collapse of the Venezuelan economy, and that assumption also relies on the continuing high price of crude. I for one tend towards Hugo losing that race.

Thinkb4speaking:
There are things hapenning in Ecuador, Guatemala, Brazil, China. The world is busily planning for the US collapse. From recent news:

“PDVSA and Petroecuador also plan to speed up the building of a new refinery in Ecuador, whose processing capacity will stand at 300,000 barrels of heavy crude per day.”
Latin America News Digest
January 8, 2008 Tuesday 2:23 PM EEST
Venezuelan PDVSA, Petroecuador Strengthen Partnership in Oil, Gas Projects

“The joint Petrobras and PDVSA heavy oil refinery Abreu de Lima project, in Recife, Brazil, is under way.”
ICIS Chemical Business
November 12, 2007
Politicsand petrochemicals
BYLINE: Jorge B?hler-Vidal

“A key trend [for China] is the addition of new refining capacity geared heavily toward heavy, sour, and high-acid crude…the economics of using very large crude carriers that offloaded in the US Gulf of Mexico to carry Venezuelan crude on their “backhaul” voyage compares very favorably to the costs per barrel of carrying Venezuelan crude to US Gulf refineries on smaller Aframax tankers, as done in the current trade. Thus, if China continues to expand its heavy and sour refining capacity, it would become economically feasible to greatly expand the Sino-Venezuelan oil trade, should both sides agree to do so.”
Oil & Gas Journal
February 18, 2008
China’s refining expansions to reshape global oil trade
BYLINE: Gabe Collins, US Navel War College Newport, RI.

The first thing the Nazi’s did when they gained power was to detain and or kill anyone they considered SocialistCommunist in Germany.

Chimpy on April 7, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Fixed it for you

NAZI, National Socialist Party.

There are people here that call themselves “conservative” but William F Buckley and Goldwater would not recognize them as such. National Socialist is an oxymoron. Socialism is international. The first thing the Nazi’s did when they gained power was to detain and or kill anyone they considered Socialist in Germany.

“Venezuela’s state oil firm PDVSA will start up three new refineries by 2009, one year sooner than previously announced…The refineries will incorporate patented HDH Plus refining technology for Venezuela’s extra-heavy sour crude.”
Business News Americas – English
August 8, 2006 Tuesday 11:38 AM GMT
PDVSA;
New refineries to start ops in 2009

dave742 on April 6, 2008 at 2:10 PM

…this was before Hugo teed off the foreigners, who would provide the know how to do it, and they left….

It appears your thesis is that nationalizing the economy is the way to economic prosperity. That a government run economy will produce more than a free market. Is that correct?

If so, do you advocate that Chavez nationalize EVERYTHING in Venezuela? If the oil, cement, and other sectors he has taken over are now doing so much better, doesn’t it follow you put your faith in Chavez to run everything better?

Please, what is your prescription for the continued growth of Venezuela’s economy? More Chavez takeovers are good or bad?