Obama surrogate: McCain a “warmonger”; Update: McCain’s not a warmonger, says Obama camp

posted at 12:35 pm on April 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The Barack Obama campaign showed its take on “New Politics” last night with an event in North Dakota, where the candidate generated a lot of buzz. Liberal talkmeister Ed Schultz created even more with his introduction of Obama. While warming up the crowd, Schultz called John McCain a “warmonger”, after which Obama thanked him for his speech:

Obama was introduced by North Dakota’s three-man Congressional delegation, whom he greeted as friends, Sens. Kent Conrad and Byron Dorgan and, as Obama called him, “Ed Pomeroy.” Rep. Earl Pomeroy gave Conrad a sheepish grin at the joke.

Radio talk show star Ed Schultz warmed up the crowd, attacking Sen. John McCain as “a warmonger,” before Obama arrived in the room.

Obama thanked Schultz, saying he was the “voice of progressive radio,” and someone “who knows a little bit about sports.”

Contrast this with John McCain’s reaction to the introduction given him by Bill Cunningham in Ohio. When McCain found out that Cunningham repeatedly used Obama’s middle name in the preceding speech, he didn’t wait for the media to ask about it. He apologized, repudiated the comments, and promised to conduct a high-road campaign. And that was just for using Obama’s actual middle name.

Does Obama believe in reciprocity? Apparently not. Obama lets his surrogates do the namecalling at his events, and then comes on stage himself to blather about setting a new tone in politics and uplifting the level of discourse in DC. He has a fabulous start on it thus far, having his campaign events serve as a springboard for slurs against McCain — a man with one son already in this conflict and another about to begin a tour shortly.

Obama heralds himself as the candidate of change. So far, we’re just seeing the same tired, hysterical anti-war rhetoric coming from his events, delivered by a classless Air America host. If Obama wants to embrace that, then voters will understand which candidate talks about changing the level of discourse, and which candidate actually works to change it. Just as with most of Obama’s policies, it’s all talk and no action.

Update (AP): Here’s the “change” Ed was hoping for. They had to say something for the reasons laid out above, but doubtless this is more sweeping than the left would have liked. Isn’t the warmonger line their chief angle of attack on Maverick?

“John McCain is not a warmonger and should not be described as such. He’s a supporter of a war that Senator Obama believes should have never been authorized and never been waged,” said Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki. The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the comment was made and that Schultz is not a campaign surrogate.


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Obama is the candidate of change, buddy.

Blarg the Destroyer on April 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM

One just has to admire the civility.

drjohn on April 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM

And that was just for using Obama’s actual middle name.

Just because McCain was foolish enough to publicly chastise a supporter for using his opponents real middle name doesn’t mean that Obama’s going to stoop to the same level.

Does Obama believe in reciprocity? Apparently not.

The fact that McCain was probably actually expecting reciprocity from liberals speaks volumes about McCain’s own ignorance.

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Does Obama believe in reciprocity?

More like, does McCain believe liberals will play fair?
If I reach out to them, will they like me?
If I buddy and pal with them, will they accept me.
If I pass laws with them together, will they see my bipartisanship?

Answer: Do you really have to ask?

Kini on April 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM

This is why I had NO problem at all with Cunningham using his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, because no matter how “nice” one is to liberals they will never, never, never, ever return the gesture. They are mean, vile, classless people.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM

FloatingRock

So you think classy=foolish? Civil=ignorant?
McCain is right to take the high road, a road which will lead him to victory.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Southern Gent

The race will be decided by millions of centrist/uncommitted voters who want civility & class in a candidate.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM

You can send them to private schools, have them travel the world, hang out with Ivy Leaguers, give them lots of money and have them rub elbows with uber-celebs….but as my mamma always says, “You can’t buy class”.

So far, the only source that I’ve detected that ever afforded Hussein Obama the opportunity for “change” from his barbaric Muslim family to his racist Black pastor to his loud-mouth, high maintenance bigot of a wife….is his grandmother that raised him and tried to keep him safe from strange Black men hanging out in an upscale neighborhood, and she got trashed by him so he could shelter the Black racist pastor.

Hening on April 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Obama stands for everything and nothing. Change for the sake of change is not necessarily good and Mr. “change” needs to precisely define what he intends to change and when he intends to do it. This guy is an absolute dolt who typifies the liberal establishment. He’s an empty suit spewing empty rhetoric in a blind quest for power.

rplat on April 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM

The race will be decided by millions of centrist/uncommitted voters who want civility & class in a candidate.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:09 PM

There are millions more in the base who don’t want “our candidate” apologizing to the democrats at every turn.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM

A warmonger? I tend to agree.

McCain/Kennedy
McCain/Feingold
Close GITMO
Waterboarding is TORTURE
Global Warming
Keating Five

Yep. Juan “Z-Visa” McCain is waging continuous war with Conservative values…

DfDeportation on April 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM

McCain is right to take the high road, a road which will lead him to victory.

You may be right, but a big part of it will also be due to the fact that the media loved him for being a Maverick (being a RINO and knifing Bush frequently) and now they are going to have trouble putting that meme back in the bottle.

But just as soon as they dispatch the inconvenient Hillary, they will start demonizing McCain despite all his comity and high-mindedness, just you watch!

drunyan8315 on April 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM

So you think classy=foolish? Civil=ignorant?
McCain is right to take the high road, a road which will lead him to victory.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM

There’s nothing classy about humiliating and arguing with your wife in public, especially on a stage with cameras rolling. Taking the high-road means you wait until you have some privacy. It’s not like Cunningham said anything offensive, like calling Obama the N-word, all he did was engage in some political opportunism by using his ideological opponents inconvenient middle name. Calling McCain a warmonger is worse, but still, the civil thing to do is NOT to berate your ally in public but rather to wait until you are out of the public eye. If the press asks about it, you simply distance yourself from the comment and if necessary the person who said it.

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM

AH, do I remember Dole/Kemp 96. The civility in that race really did Dole/Kemp a lot of good. Juan not only better point out the smoking guns that are all over the floor, he better pick one or two of them up and use them. If he doesn’t think this is polite, he will be watching the swearing in of the new president just like me, ON TELEVISION!!!!

pueblo1032 on April 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM

So you think classy=foolish? Civil=ignorant?
McCain is right to take the high road, a road which will lead him to victory.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Amen.

Far too many conservatives have forgotten that it is our maturity and class that – above all else – separate us from the liberals.

Professor Blather on April 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM

warmonger…war on conservative values

More sophomoric, kneejerk attempts to portray McCain as a liberal. McCain opposed a FEW conservative legislative measures, but he has been a champion of cutting gov’t waste, he’s steadfstly (though not passionately) pro-life, & he will put good jurists in the SCOTUS. He is moderate/conservative, & certainly not a liberal.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 1:30 PM

Far too many conservatives have forgotten that it is our maturity and class that – above all else – separate us from the liberals.

Excellent point. Nobody likes a fight any more than I but winning this election will require class, cool competence and intellect. McCain needs to leave the mindless trash talking to the Democrats and other liberals.

rplat on April 5, 2008 at 1:34 PM

…[McCain] will put good jurists in the SCOTUS…

*giggle* Yeah, as long as they’re not too much like John Roberts.

Let’s be real: John McCain has been the Joe Lieberman of the Republican party for many, many years. He holds a few of the values espoused by each of the groups that make up the conservative tripod (social, fiscal, security), but he’s polar opposite on more issues than not. He’s not as flat-out evil as Hillary or as much of a slimy opportunist as Obama, but he’s not a terribly good candidate and he’s not “one of us.” He’s the nominee because the GOP took a look at the other candidates out there that had some momentum (Huckabee and Romney) and said “screw it, we’ll stick with the devil we know.”

ErikTheRed on April 5, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Gee,

If using his Arabic middle name is playing dirty, I wonder how the Obama campaign would feel about this:

Arabic Obama

rokemronnie on April 5, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Hmmm, link didn’t work

Arabic Obama

rokemronnie on April 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Come off it. People only call Obama by his middle name because they want to smear him for his father’s religion.

Al in St. Lou on April 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Far too many conservatives have forgotten that it is our maturity and class that – above all else – separate us from the liberals.
Professor Blather on April 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM

I agree that McCain himself shouldn’t be calling Obama by his middle name but that doesn’t change the fact that throwing Cunningham under the bus in such an unnecessarily humiliating and public fashion falls far short of qualifying for the “classy” and “high-road” trophies… quite the opposite. Why should Obama follow suit simple because one of his supporters expressed an opinion that many Obama supporters probably share but that Obama himself has never spoken?

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Come off it. People only call Obama by his middle name because they want to smear him for his father’s religion.

Al in St. Lou on April 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Come off it. What you mean to say is that they’re all a bunch of nativeists and racists, and if you’re right then calling McCain a warmonger pales in severity to that…. So here again your argument that Obama should have reciprocated McCain’s gesture by publicly humiliated Ed Schultz falls apart on its merits. Golly, it’s not like Ed did anything as reprehensible as calling McCain by his middle name… all he did was call him a warmonger.

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 2:08 PM

“Just as with most of Obama’s policies, it’s all talk and no action.”

Well put. I think it’s just a continuation of a pattern he started quite early in his Senatorial career. Talk about bipartisanship, talk about doing things differently, talk about running a truly positive campaign – and then do whatever seems most convenient. He’s certainly not a guy who has stepped up when it meant taking a real risk. None of which makes him a bad guy – it just means he’s not really the better guy he paints himself to be.

Jill1066 on April 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Just because McCain was foolish enough to publicly chastise a supporter for using his opponents real middle name doesn’t mean that Obama’s going to stoop to the same level.

First of all, Cunningham was NOT a supporter, he was a local talk show hack trying to keep himself relevant. Second, he was right to do it, no matter how much you wingnuts try to rationalize it as “just his middle name”

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 2:16 PM

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Why dont you call him John Sydney McCain III?
You dont and neither do his opponents.

If you think that our party is not chock full of idiots who would not vote for someone because he was a “secret” Muslim, than you are living in fantasy land.

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 2:18 PM

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM

You right, he should not have had a waste of oxogen like Cunningham speaking in the first place.

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 2:19 PM

I thought B. Hussein had used his fifteen minutes of
oxygen. Looong ago. This guy is poison. Im I the only
one who really, really, really sick of this guy.

Bring on Nov and end this torture. Pleeeeze.

Texyank on April 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM

McCain/Kennedy!

How sophomoric was that???

STAY HOME ’08

DfDeportation on April 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM

DfDeportation on April 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I think describing anything you say as sophmoric is an insult to sophmores.

SOUR GRAPES ’08

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM

“…Liberal talkmeister Ed Schultz created even more with his introduction of Obama. While warming up the crowd, Schultz called John McCain a “warmonger”, after which Obama thanked him for his speech:”

How would you refer to someone that wants to keep us in Iraq for a “hundred years”; a peacenik?

J_Gocht on April 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM

Schultz called John McCain a “warmonger”, after which Obama thanked him for his speech:

Ahhh, silly me, I thought this was the topic of the post! All to predictable these days, discuss the Messiah and up from the pond scum slithers the McCain sucks crew!….Given the facts as they are; the choice for POTUS is as clear as the difference between the colors black and white! (pun intended)

dmann on April 5, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Sometimes when something is left unsaid, it gives it more power. I think everyone knows at this point what Obama’s middle name is. I don’t think Cunningham accomplished much by emphasizing the middle name. I do think that when McCain takes the high road and behaves exactly as Obama wishes he could, he bursts the Dhimms bubble and shows them to be the lowlifes they are.

4shoes on April 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM

What the McCain people realize, in a similar way that Rove and Bush understood in 2000, is that the game starts out rigged against them (as it did for Reagan, Bush 41, and pretty much every Republican going back at least to Alf Landon). They know that even a simple thing like Cunningham derisively using Obama’s middle name can be blown up into a month-long controversy in the media if it’s not nipped in the bud quickly, while Ed Shultz could have burned an effigy of McCain at the dais just before Obama spoke after cutting his head off with a scimitar, and if the candidate said nothing, none of the big media outlets would call him on it (the best you could hope for is that Hillary’s people would force it into the media spotlight).

Even a candidate with as favorable press as McCain has gotten isn’t going to be allowed to have the same standards of propriety during the general election campaign as the Democratic nominee, and if they didn’t know before, surely the New York Times’ hit piece on his alleged affair should have woken McCain up to the fact that — now that he’s no longer seen as mainly an irritant to many conservative Republicans and instead is actually the party’s nominee — he has to play by the same walk-on-eggshells rules other GOP presidential hopefuls have had to deal with for more than three generations.

jon1979 on April 5, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I guess attacking Iran is so far off the table now that we’ve forgotten McCain’s little Beach Boys ditty.

A sign of progress, I guess.

alphie on April 5, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Environmental lobbies abhor all by-products of human existence, unless generated by illegal aliens. In that case, the vast latrine and landfill created along the border with Mexico, as millions of illegals defecate and despoil their way to their destinations in the U.S., are just dandy.

To interfere with the natural formation of this outsized outhouse is to “jeopardize the quality of life and beauty of South Texas.” Or so implied the president of the National Audubon Society. He was protesting the decision, late in the day, of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to “expeditiously install additional physical barriers and roads at the border to deter illegal activity.”

Chertoff, a Bush boy – and therefore a Johnny-come-lately to the idea of a border – has been under pressure from a few of the barrier’s congressional backers. They worry that environmental restrictions would postpone construction indefinitely. Quick on the trigger, the Sierra Club bleated that the Bush administration was threatening “endangered species and fragile ecosystems along the Rio Grande.”

That the human inhabitants along the border are the worse for wear has never mattered much. Drug-trade related turf wars between gangs, brazen assaults on border patrolmen by invaders (often aided by American officials) and kidnappings – these are considered eco-friendly.

DfDeportation on April 5, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Obama is a worm ogre.

Obama is a warm ogre.

Obama is a war mogul.

Obama is a warm mongrel.

maverick muse on April 5, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Obama is the candidate of change, buddy.

You’re not my buddy, pal.

And Obama is the candidate of change, Marxist change, that is.

malan89 on April 5, 2008 at 3:30 PM

rokemronnie on April 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Ha! “First Americans” eschew “Native American” now? Or is that some PC version of UPDATING what any of our great Native “Indian” Tribe of Nations are to be called?

As per BHO, he CHANGED from “Barry” to Barack all on his own in order to NOT be “friends” any longer with white culture, but to promote his black Mohammed nametag ALONG WITH the Hussein for everyone to pay hommage as a power gig. That Barack himself chose to get elected US Senator by running on his full name was his own preference, too. Any PC schtick saying now that Hussein is to be avoided at all costs is just stupid; until BHO omits the Hussein from his legal name, it exists.

We’ve realized why nObama voted against raiding Iraq–he realized that to move on up the USA power chain, he’d have to give up using his middle name. Ha!

maverick muse on April 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM

You’re not my buddy, pal.

You’re not my pal, guy.

Ed Morrissey on April 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Yep. Juan “Z-Visa” McCain is waging continuous war with Conservative values…
DfDeportation on April 5, 2008 at 1:15 PM

I think describing anything you say as sophmoric is an insult to sophmores.
Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Squid Shark, I thought that Juan “Z-Visa” McCain observation was rather clever.

J_Gocht on April 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM

J_Gocht on April 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM

I find using cute nicknames like “Juan” is eerily reminiscent of DU and FR which I came here to get away from.

But apparently they are following me.

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Actually I was referring to the entire post; not just the “cute” part.

J_Gocht on April 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Politics is so out of control with the got cha moments. The lies and tall tales are just too much.

Maybe it should all be done according to the values we instill in your youth, or like what we learned in kindergarden or first grade.

The teacher catches you lying and telling fibs about your opponent, you have to leave the race. You must play fair because you are not allowed to go through your life cheating.

You can only campaign telling the absolute truth, you sign a pledge to the American electorate that you will, you steer clear of what the press and the pundits have to say – you literally block them out, because your ability to remain in the running depends on it.

If you are found guilty of any untruths, no matter how small you must leave the race and your opponent becomes the automatic winner. You are relugated to being honest, because you owe it to the American people. If you blow it, you take full responsibility.

Could you imagine the fools that love to push the dirty politickin’? They would be railing and screaming about how unfair it is…ahem…that our candidates for office are not allowed to play dirty pool and lie to the public to win elections.

Our prospective elected officials would think hard and long about what comes out of their mouths, and they would literally have to campaign honestly.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM

So Mr. Obama thanked Mr. Schultz for the intro; one he had not heard. It would appear so per his campaign that he had not heard the intro so why blindly thank him. I certainly don’t make a habit of thanking someone for saying something that I did not hear or at least passed on to me by someone I trust. It would seem that calling Mr. McCain a warmonger was not considered inappropriate until it was digested or media criticism was heard. I would suggest that Mr. Obama listen to what is said from now on and since HE thanked Mr. Schultz, BHO should have made the apology himself.

amr on April 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM

I’m still amazed some of y’all think the democrats would actually try to behave with class.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I’m still amazed some of y’all think the democrats would actually try to behave with class.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Politicians are politicians, none of them have class.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I’m still amazed some of y’all think the democrats would actually try to behave with class.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I wouldn’t exactly call the hit job Bush and Rove did on Senator McCain in the past election classy, would you?

Making up lies about his adopted daughter? Karl Rove has the gall now to speak about Mrs. Cain adopting that daughter – which was beyond noble, Mrs. Mc Cain is a classy lady and the only one in the race qualified to be our First Lady – like he never did what he did? Like his past sins do not natter? Thayt guy hasn’t made enough amends to the McCains in my opinion.

He’s a disgusting pig for what he did to them and their daughter, just a worthless piece of you know what for his behavior against them.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 5:14 PM

The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the comment was made.

Too busy in the mirror admiring himself.

Domino on April 5, 2008 at 5:22 PM

But apparently they are following me.

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM

You need to come in for a session then. I have a very nice couch.

Sigy on April 5, 2008 at 5:30 PM

The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the comment was made.

Where have I heard that before???

rw on April 5, 2008 at 6:24 PM

I wouldn’t exactly call the hit job Bush and Rove did on Senator McCain in the past election classy, would you?

Making up lies about his adopted daughter? Karl Rove has the gall now to speak about Mrs. Cain adopting that daughter – which was beyond noble, Mrs. Mc Cain is a classy lady and the only one in the race qualified to be our First Lady – like he never did what he did? Like his past sins do not natter? Thayt guy hasn’t made enough amends to the McCains in my opinion.

He’s a disgusting pig for what he did to them and their daughter, just a worthless piece of you know what for his behavior against them.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 5:14 PM

That allegation has never been proven. Both he and Bush deny it, and I believe them. If you have evidence that it’s true please share it with all of us.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 6:27 PM

“The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the comment was made and that Schultz is not a campaign surrogate.”

re beat me to it.

Looks like the Obama people have that excuse down pat.
Question: If Obama thanked Schultz for the introduction, just where was Obama when it was made? Outside, smoking a cigarette?

GarandFan on April 5, 2008 at 6:28 PM

That allegation has never been proven. Both he and Bush deny it, and I believe them. If you have evidence that it’s true please share it with all of us.

SouthernGent on April 5, 2008 at 6:27 PM

I am talking about South Carolina primary race in 2000, you cannot rewrite history to protect Bush and Rove, sorry. The facts are there, but you can deny all you like. LOL

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 7:36 PM

I wouldn’t exactly call the hit job Bush and Rove did on Senator McCain in the past election classy, would you?
[...]
He’s a disgusting pig for what he did to them and their daughter, just a worthless piece of you know what for his behavior against them.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 5:14 PM

An allegation, I admit I fell for initially. However I have seen NO supporting evidence of it, nor testimonials from the public that such calls were made?

If you have ANY evidence of it, please link it in this thread. I am of the opinion that it is/was a fabrication which is now accepted as part of political history. A modern-day myth.

Spirit of 1776 on April 5, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Spirit of 1776 on April 5, 2008 at 7:53 PM

I fell for it initially and still believe it because I do not put anything past Mr Rove. He may be a sumbitch but he is out sumbitch.

Squid Shark on April 5, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Look you guys are obviously enamored with Rove, it happened it’s true, it was one of his most infamous whisper campaigns in history.

It has been written about, discussed in detail, just because you guys admire this kind of behavior and can’t bring youselves to speak out against Rove, and Rove has never admitted it – like he has admitted to any of it – doesn’t mean it never happened.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Look you guys are obviously enamored with Rove

Well that is certainly not the case with me. I lay the Republican party’s move to big-government policies partly at his door. i.e. the theory that the ‘people’ are too attached to entitlements so big tent – permanent majority.

Regardless, I could be his wife (I’m not) and it would just to ask for proof against the accused. It’s one of the most fundamental principles of our legal system. I have read that this supposed campaign against McCain was conducted by robocalls. Yet no one on record that I have seen has said they have received such a call. Again, if it were true it is worthy of the light of day.

Again, ANY link of evidence supporting this claim would be appreciated. Without substantiation, your claim also is a whisper campaign, though small scale. An irony I’m sure which will not escape you – the very thing you are accusing others of having done.

Spirit of 1776 on April 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM

It’s always fun to see people who attempt to feign moral superiority blatantly lie: see Morrissey’s lie in the heading of this topic “Obama surrogate.”

Nonfactor on April 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Again, ANY link of evidence supporting this claim would be appreciated. Without substantiation, your claim also is a whisper campaign, though small scale. An irony I’m sure which will not escape you – the very thing you are accusing others of having done.

Spirit of 1776 on April 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM

The author from Bush’s Brain has written about it –

When Rove and Gov. Bush stepped onto the national stage in 2000, they had a big list of supporters, money and infrastructure that had been systems-checked in Texas. And they would use it to win by any means necessary and not fret over the ethics. Flying down to South Carolina after the upset defeat of Bush in the New Hampshire primary, Rove and Bush were said by a reliable source to have had a frank conversation about what was necessary to defeat Sen. John McCain, who had just defeated Bush in New Hampshire. A summit meeting was convened in Columbia and Rove delivered the message to the campaign operatives.

The candidate also tipped his hand to the strategy when he was overheard on a boom mike explaining his plans to Mike Fairs, a state senator. Fairs complained that Bush had not yet hit McCain’s soft spots. “I’m going to,” Bush said. “But I’m not going to do it on TV.”

Because that’s not the Rove way. Before the votes were cast, McCain was accused by Rove-managed surrogate groups of fathering a mixed-race child out of wedlock, being married to a drug addict, not being an attentive husband, using his wife’s family fortune to buy his U.S. Senate seat and, worst of all, turning his back on Vietnam veterans; and all of this happened while George W. Bush was at rallies urging his primary opponent to please engage in a civilized debate on the issues.

Most of the accusations against McCain were contained in a World Magazine article, a weekly publication for Christian evangelicals. The magazine was edited by professor Marvin Olasky, an ideologue at the University of Texas — a Communist Party member turned Republican, a Jew turned born-again Christian — who had been recruited by Rove to refine his concept of “compassionate conservatism.”

Don’t believe it, I do.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Warmonger? Google Ed Schultz and bar fight. Here in ND we have taken to calling Mr Schultz BB Monger … that’s Barroom Brawl Monger.

LCL4 on April 5, 2008 at 9:01 PM

I still think the Abe Simpson angle is their best bet

Drunk Report on April 5, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Does anyone wonder how obama has a white mother, a white grandmother who apparently loved him and raised him, a black father who abandoned him and guess who he identifies with? I guess I don’t understand where loyalty lies. Obviously not with the people who spent their lives taking car of him.

Bambi on April 5, 2008 at 9:30 PM

McCain has been the Joe Lieberman of the GOP

Would you rather have Obama as President than Joe L? I wouldn’t. And McCain is much more conservative than Lieberman.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Besides being less liberal, Lieberman is also more principled than Obama. Perhaps you were complimenting McCain.

jgapinoy on April 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Like blood sucking leaches, all manner of parasites and totally clueless morons whom never had to work a budget, hire/fire personnel, compete and succeed at any level, may you experience nothing but the sad realization that you exist off the efforts and sweat of those who embrace and believe in this country! Make your snide self-righteous remarks and nuanced observations, give each other high 5′s for sucking the life out of Capitalism and Freedom! I have more respect for the dog shi% in my yard than I do for you!

dmann on April 5, 2008 at 9:51 PM

AprilOrit: Most of the sites and reviewers who have latched onto Bush’s Brain as a gospel are Leftist. In fact, one review that said its authors didn’t go far enough in demonizing Karl Rove is the World Socialist Web site. In fact, the authors of this hit piece relied on information from Bill Burkett, he of the discredited Rather-TANG tales.

Please try harder.

(Are you the same “April” who used to infect Powerlineblog?)

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2008 at 9:59 PM

AprilOrit: Most of the sites and reviewers who have latched onto Bush’s Brain as a gospel are Leftist. In fact, one review that said its authors didn’t go far enough in demonizing Karl Rove is the World Socialist Web site. In fact, the authors of this hit piece relied on information from Bill Burkett, he of the discredited Rather-TANG tales.

Please try harder.

(Are you the same “April” who used to infect Powerlineblog?)

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Ahhh, another brand new posting loon bearing insults. Infect? Nice.

Rove did it, period. You can say as you choose, make fun of me along the way new poster, he did it, suck it up.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 10:12 PM

One thing I think we can all agree with – the last open enrollment brought in a truckload or correction – a boatload of fresh trolls.

Not only do they think they’ll fabulous and profound, they believe they honestly have real substance and can attack many of the other posters by accusing us of being libs or leftists, for having the audacity of defending John McCain.

Nothing like watching a malfunctioning Rovebot defends his Master against a war hero, while using Powerline – like some scene from a crime.

As rancid as bad Off Broadway on opening night.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Is it just me or is this thread chock full of teh crazee?

Pablo on April 5, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Where was H.Obama at the time of Big Eddie’s smear—–maybe it was prayer time…..kneeling/facing Mecca?

sbark on April 6, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Don’t believe it, I do.

AprilOrit on April 5, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Thanks for getting back to me about your source. I do believe a lot of people believe that. But I think the narrative sells by relying a pre-supposition of Bush/Rove having a ends-justify-any means ethic structure. I’ll look around online a bit in the morning and see if I can find any corroborating evidence to go with the “motives” proposed by the author.

Spirit of 1776 on April 6, 2008 at 12:43 AM

I do believe a lot of people believe that. But I think the narrative sells by relying a pre-supposition of Bush/Rove having a ends-justify-any means ethic structure.

The fact that John McCain believed they were responsible is good enough for me.

Some of these people are so hateful, it’s one thing to hate Obama and Hillary, but they also hate Senator McCain.

But then again it’s always hard to please this species which seems to be in abundance this season.

AprilOrit on April 6, 2008 at 1:02 AM

The fact that John McCain believed they were responsible is good enough for me.

I see that. My concern is that it may be a strawman. As I said upthread I believed it was true until I heard there was no witnesses able to testify they had received said calls. It would be to McCain’s advantage to create an outrage to get people to rally behind him. I don’t think McCain has any particular personal credibility that would cause me to dismiss such a thought out-of-hand either. I saw his turning of Mitt’s Iraq comments, so he is just an average politician who will use the tricks of the trade. Obama did similarly with race using Hillary’s LBJ comments.

But then again it’s always hard to please this species which seems to be in abundance this season.

Understand. Tis not me though: my time is more valuable to me then to spend it arguing with people online.

Spirit of 1776 on April 6, 2008 at 1:13 AM

Is it just me or is this thread chock full of teh crazee?

Not quite chock full, namely one crazee that seems to enjoy showing the BIG DIC% of credibility “I was hear first” as though that trumps facts, truth and intellectual honesty!

dmann on April 6, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Understand. Tis not me though: my time is more valuable to me then to spend it arguing with people online.

Spirit of 1776 on April 6, 2008 at 1:13 AM

Oh I know it’s not you, I respect your opinion. :)

AprilOrit on April 6, 2008 at 1:26 AM

a clueless, gutless, and spineless attack.

homesickamerican on April 6, 2008 at 2:20 AM

Stick around awhile and sit a spell, you have Republicans launching gutless attacks against Senator McCain here as well.

Or defending them.

AprilOrit on April 6, 2008 at 3:55 AM

They are mean, vile, classless people.

That doesn’t mean we should sink to their level. McCain was absolutely right to chastise that idiot. He wasn’t “just using Obama’s middle name”; he was using the name to appeal to the audience’s basest fears.

McCain took the high road. Obama hasn’t yet. That will work well for McCain if the pattern continues.

rightwingprof on April 6, 2008 at 5:51 AM

Where was H.Obama at the time of Big Eddie’s smear—–maybe it was prayer time…..kneeling/facing Mecca?

sbark on April 6, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Or maybe he was just having some cofee because he is only a Muslim in your crazy mind.

Squid Shark on April 6, 2008 at 7:23 AM

rightwingprof on April 6, 2008 at 5:51 AM

Watch out, that will get you labeled as a liberal Muslim enabler around here.

Squid Shark on April 6, 2008 at 7:27 AM

The fact that McCain was probably actually expecting reciprocity from liberals speaks volumes about McCain’s own ignorance.

FloatingRock on April 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Well you showed your ignorance, nowhere does it say McCain was expecting “reciprocity”.
McCain is taking the high road, and that will come through at the end, and if it doesn’t…ain’t his problem,it’s yours for and other like you, that project your anger and “stretch the truth”.

right2bright on April 6, 2008 at 7:40 AM

lie in the heading of this topic “Obama surrogate.”

Nonfactor on April 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM

and where was the lie…the fact that they are backing away from him after he stuck his foot in the mouth?
You would be banned long ago if they tracked your “lies”.

right2bright on April 6, 2008 at 7:44 AM

Answer: Do you really have to ask?

Kini on April 5, 2008 at 1:05 PM

What is the matter with all these people?…you do right because it is “right”, not because you are seeking the same. Right is right, regardless of your opponent.
You, in general, set the tone of your campaign from the beginning based on your values…not based on what your opponents values are.
People will notice the “hatchet men” that Obama’s team hires, they will get it. You just hope they don’t have someone as effective as that evvviilll Carville, so far they have a bunch of goons.

right2bright on April 6, 2008 at 7:49 AM

alphie, alphie, alphie,

McCain wants to bomb Iran, an enemy.

Obie wants to bomb Pakistan, a (not very strong) ally.

Obie is a foreign policy genius that will improve our relations with the world.

Hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope, change, hope.

I hope that is change enough for you.

MSimon on April 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Considering Randi Rhodes outburst, white men seem to be in a lose-lose situation. Be racist and support Hillary. Be sexist and support Barrack.

Still, it’s going to be fun to see Hillary show up a some town hall to “get me a hunting license.” And why not, she’s already given us the bird. Not to mention being married to a turkey.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on April 6, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Oops! “Barrack” should be “Barack.”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on April 6, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Oops, oops! “Rhodes” should be “Rhodes’.” Mea culpa.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on April 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM

rightwingprof on April 6, 2008 at 5:51 AM
Watch out, that will get you labeled as a liberal Muslim enabler around here.

Squid Shark on April 6, 2008 at 7:27 AM

Exactly, you will be called a Muslim lovin’ lib leftist because you dare to make a logical reasonable statement about a D List Talk Radio loon from Ohio.

Or if you defend Senator McCain you will hear a diatribe of why he isn’t a war hero.

I almost died when I heard that here under another post a few weeks back, I thought I had astroplaned into DU or Kos without realizing.

AprilOrit on April 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Just like always Obama claims he’s not in the room for the controversy. He wasn’t there in Church and he wasn’t there for his introduction.

The Whistler on April 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM

I’d rather be Lieberman than Lamont. Right?

funky chicken on April 6, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Anyone calling Obama a Muslim immediately loses all credibility. We’re trying to win the hearts of the moderate/independent masses, guys.

jgapinoy on April 6, 2008 at 7:28 PM

I really believe the last 2 open enrollments brought in a bunch of Ron Paul people and other assorted trolls.

I even notice some of the ones who were prominently posting from the first open enrollment, like month and a half – 2 months ago – that open enrollment before Ed came – all seem to be gone on to trolling in greener pastures elsewhere I suppose.

They were attacking McCain vehemently and regularly, even more so than Hillary and Obama.

AprilOrit on April 6, 2008 at 9:06 PM