Comments on: NYT/CBS poll: Still skewed, Obama loses ground

By: leftnomore

leftnomore — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:09:20 +0000

TexasJew- You should be happy that McCain doesn’t use SS protection… he might get shot, and we’d get to nominate a “better” candidate. Sound good to you? It shouldn’t, but it probably does.

By: KW64

KW64 — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:58:08 +0000

The split in party identification is 9% according to Rasmussen. Thus a 42% Democrat versus 27% Republican sample is skewed by about 6%. If you correct for that (ie reduce dem by %of Democrats for say Obama versus % of Republicans for Obama X 6% and add to McCAin’s result the difference in % Republicans for McCain versus Democrats % for McCain X 6%), this poll’s results would come out close to Rasmussen’s tracking poll results which show McCain ahead of Obama by 3% and Clinto by 5%.

One has to wonder if the Times deliberately tries to make the Dems seem inevitable in order to discourage Republicans and get nervous businessmen to donate to the presumed Democrat winners so that they will get a hearing.

By: DavePa

DavePa — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:19:23 +0000

Skewed poll = meaningless poll

By: JC in CA

JC in CA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:08:05 +0000

Why does anybody take anything that contains the words “New York Times” and “CBS” seriously anyway? Are you surprised that the sample was skewed coming from these people?

By: Entelechy

Entelechy — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:04:59 +0000

and the other guy is a JOOOO. (shhhh)

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM

And we know how much the left, and the Reverend Wright love them…

Nonfactor, that’s really funny and wishful thinking. Get your Kleenex ready, and I’ll get the couch prepared, a really big one.

By: saved

saved — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:17:29 +0000

With Hill finished and Obama on his way, we are stuck with McCain, the least of the three evils.

By: Nonfactor

Nonfactor — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:00:20 +0000

For McCain to only be tied with both Obama and Clinton in the general polls after this cluster of a primary campaign doesn’t speak too well for McCain.

By: Speakup

Speakup — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:37:07 +0000

reports that his former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago.*

Up in smoke.

*How about decades of hypocritical, racist and nation hate rants designed to create thousands of tithe paying victim/cultists dependent upon the church, the Democrat political machine and most importantly, the pastor.

Utterly despicable and and completely destructive to the same people he professed to help.

By: Big John

Big John — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:42:43 +0000

Makes one wonder where Obama’s numbers would be if the MSM had actually been informing the American electorate about Obama’s policy positions, rather than just dropping to their knees and genuflecting every time he makes an appearance.

AZCoyote on April 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM

I’m not sure they were genuflecting when they hit their knees…

By: EricPWJohnson

EricPWJohnson — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:22:40 +0000

Not to throw water but Obamas come under attack from both sides – McCains untouched

But he will be, oh yes

By: njcommuter

njcommuter — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:45:38 +0000

Chris Matthews still talks about getting a thrill up his leg whenever Obama speaks,

A thrill up his leg,or something trickling down it?

By: madmonkphotog

madmonkphotog — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:52:56 +0000

Loser.

He deserves everything he loses.

By: D2Boston

D2Boston — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:49:28 +0000

andycanuck on April 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM

LOL!!!

By: andycanuck

andycanuck — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:40:28 +0000

It looks like someone needs a cool, refreshing smoke.

By: Alamo

Alamo — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:27:12 +0000

Del Dolemonte on April 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM

When you ask that question, you don’t need to “cook” the sample.

That is a pretty shallow question and without amplification, the MSM loves to interpret the results as dissatiscation with conservative or Republican leadership, and thus good tidings for liberalism.
I’ve been of the opinion that the country is going in the wrong direction for 20 years, or even longer. My belief that we have consistentlt been headed in the wrong direction is based on the creeping incrementalism of nanny-state liberalism, and the abdication of conservative fiscal principles by W. Truthfully, conservatives have been successful in only slowing the growth of government at times- not stopping it, or reducing it- so, yes, we are “headed in the wrong direction”.

But the way the MSM would interpret that answer, as a repudiation of conservatism, is complete BS.

By: amkun

amkun — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:26:17 +0000

NoDonkey on April 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Good point about the primary-Dems. Hadn’t thought about it. You may be right that what one is registered as doesn’t mean much – I mean, I’m still registered Republican but I don’t identify as such anymore. But, I did specifically say in my comment that as long as the poll was among likely voters, I’m not sure it’s “skewing.”

The country isn’t split 50/50 or 45/45/10, at least statistically, so such a poll would mean little.

By: Del Dolemonte

Del Dolemonte — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:10:49 +0000

Aha, I see in going to the actual link to this “poll” that in fact it is related to the other C-BS/NYT “poll” that is all over the media this morning, namely how the percentage of Americans who think the country is heading in the wrong direction has hit an all time high. I’m sure they cooked the sample group on that portion of the “poll” as well.

By: NoDonkey

NoDonkey — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:53:45 +0000

“It’s documented that registered Republicans falls below registered Democrats by a sizable amount – at least 20% I think.”

“Registered” is not what’s relevant. Many “Democrats” are “Republicans” who registered as Democrats in order to vote in the relevant primary. And they’ll vote Republican in the General Election.

And “registered” voters are not nearly as good of an indicator as is “likely” voters. A good percentage of “registered” voters do not vote on election day, whereas most “likely” voters do.

By: amkun

amkun — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:45:53 +0000

I have a question.

It’s documented that registered Republicans falls below registered Democrats by a sizable amount – at least 20% I think. If a poll reflects that, and is among very likely voters, is that really skewing?

By: saiga

saiga — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:34:22 +0000

How have we been saddled with this jackass?

TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Damn good question. Once he showed his ass on immigration, he blew it with me. He says “they are all God’s children”, but so are the guilty inmates in prison, which is where the illegals belong.

He will probably win though because Obama does have a glass jaw.

By: Clark1

Clark1 — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:30:21 +0000

Obama didn’t peak too early. His peak will get him through to the Dem nomination. The media are completely in the tank for him (I don’t see this story anywhere on the front page of nyt.com) and will pummel McCain endlessly come June.

By: Jaibones

Jaibones — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:30:09 +0000

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:04 AM

That’s where I was headed. I figure he would only take the bet if his 401k is worthless = NY Times stock.

By: Jaibones

Jaibones — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:28:16 +0000

TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM

What an asinine comment. Get over yourself.

By: pilamaye

pilamaye — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:12:15 +0000

B.O. has got so much support behind him right now to render any of these polls to be completely useless, regardless of who is conducting them.

By: saiga

saiga — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:03:01 +0000

I think McAmnesty ir right; Obama has a glass jaw. That sneaky McCain knows all the Will Rodgers style quips like the “pig rolling in the mud” one he used on Dr. Demento Dean. “Excuses are for pregnant nuns…..don’t take a knife to a gun fight” etc.

Obama will get fried on the pastor disaster, not holding his hand over his heart on the pledge, his loud mouthy wife, his lack of experience, not to mention he is a chicken.

Facing the view is one thing, facing Chris wallace is something else…Obamas jaw flapping will only get him so far among stupid dems. Real men won’t be bamboozeled.