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NYT/CBS poll: Still skewed, Obama loses ground

posted at 7:55 am on April 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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It’s amazing what happens when a poll samples almost 40% more Democrats than Republicans.  It finds — gasp — that Democrats remain in the lead in general-election questions.  Unfortunately for the Democrats, that lead has shrunk, even with the sample stacked in their favor, and the likely nominee has started to see his favorability numbers decline.  Those are the takeaways from the latest New York Times/CBS polling:

Senator Barack Obama’s support among Democrats nationally has softened over the last month — particularly among men and upper-income voters — as voters have taken a slightly less positive view of him than they did after his burst of victories in February, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The survey suggests that Mr. Obama, the Illinois Democrat, may have been at something of a peak in February, propelled by a string of primary and caucus victories over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, and that perceptions of him are settling down.

Mr. Obama’s favorability rating among Democratic primary voters has dropped seven percentage points, to 62 percent, since the last Times/CBS News survey, in late February. While that figure is by any measure high, the decline came in a month in which he has come under withering attack from Mrs. Clinton and has had to respond to reports that his former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago.

Still, the events of the last month do not appear to have fundamentally altered the Democratic race or provided what Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been looking for: evidence of a collapse in Mr. Obama’s standing or an overwhelming preference voiced for Mrs. Clinton by Democratic voters in polls, developments that could be used to persuade uncommitted superdelegates to sign on with her.

Obama has peaked, according to the trends seen in the year’s string of polling — and small wonder.  Obama received nothing but favorable press and gushing reviews from political pundits.  Chris Matthews still talks about getting a thrill up his leg whenever Obama speaks, and many pundits still refuse to take a critical look at the Senator from Illinois.  The national media has shown signs of recovering from its coma, provoked in part by scathing criticism and a pungent satire on Saturday Night Live, but also by Obama’s own missteps.

Of course, that doesn’t apply to the pollsters.  The sample used in this survey included 510 likely Democratic voters and 323 likely Republican voters, as noted by their participation in primary voting.  That’s a rather large gap, one that reduces the predictive value of the polling to just about nil — unless Democrats have a 20-point gap in the general electorate.

Even with that kind of gap in the sample, John McCain has shown strength against both Democrats.  He has closed a 12-point gap in the previous skewed poll to just five points, almost a dead heat.  In fact, both Obama and Clinton lost ground among Democrats.  When asked which candidate Democrats wanted to nominate, Obama won three weeks ago 46-43.  In this poll, he wins 41-34, which Someone Else going from 3 points to 10.

John McCain won the favorability sweepstakes as well.  The Times notes that Obama dropped from a high of 69 in February to 62 this week among Democrats.  McCain’s favorability among Republicans rose 10 points, from 57 to 67 in that same time period.   What happened?  The Rev. Jeremiah Wright happened.  Among those who heard about the story, 36% said that it made them less favorable to Obama, and even 22% of likely Democratic voters said the same thing.  Only 1% said it make them more favorable to Obama.

Obama peaked too early.   The press will only get tougher from this point forward, and Obama shows no signs of improving as a candidate.  Even the skewed polls show Obama in trouble.


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Obama needs to be taken down. There is no way this country can afford this inexperienced, unqualified and corrupt man and his lunatic left associates in the Oval Office, at this time in our history.

NoDonkey on April 4, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Watch your phraseology, please.

Jaibones on April 4, 2008 at 8:34 AM

and has had to respond to reports that his former video of his pastor had made politically inflammatory statements making racists, anti-American statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago.

TheBigOldDog on April 4, 2008 at 8:34 AM

One might rhetorically ask the NY Times pollster if he wishes to bet his 401k on that 60-40 Dem advantage in November. (Unless his 401k is invested in NY Times stock.)

Jaibones on April 4, 2008 at 8:37 AM

I feel a little better, every day.

OldEnglish on April 4, 2008 at 8:42 AM

The survey suggests that Mr. Obama, the Illinois Democrat, may have been at something of a peak in February…

I think that was Kerry’s strategy too, wasn’t it. I’m beginning to think of Obama as a “plastic knife” – as in “bringing a plastic knife to a gun fight.”

drunyan8315 on April 4, 2008 at 8:52 AM

He and his wife are bigots and people see it. he’s a socialist and people see it, he has no clue about foreign or domestic policy and people SEE it.

dogsoldier on April 4, 2008 at 9:00 AM

If you skew the polls now, and the exit polls on election day, it sets the stage for claiming the election was stolen when you lose.

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:02 AM

One might rhetorically ask the NY Times pollster if he wishes to bet his 401k on that 60-40 Dem advantage in November. (Unless his 401k is invested in NY Times stock.)

Jaibones on April 4, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Let’s hope he’s not over-invested in his own company’s stock. If so, he hasn’t made a dime in about 15 years, not to mention devaluation of the dollar value of his investment. I’d say he’ll need Obama’s/Hil’s socialism to pay his bills in old age.

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:04 AM

What about all of the GOP doomsayers who’ve been crying that J-Mac can’t win?
Could they be wrong?

jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM

And yet, all I hear from the pundits is how “stacked” the deck is for a Democrat nominee in the general. I’m just not buying it. In fact, I think that the Dems now holding the HOR and Senate FAVORS McCain. Who in the world wants the Pelosi’s and Reid’s of the world running things without at least the threat of adult supervision from a President. Okay, who outside of Berkley and San Fran?
I still believe there a few thinking Democrats left who look at who they’re about to nominate and are thinking, “What the fuh? Are we crazy?”

Sugar Land on April 4, 2008 at 9:12 AM

What about all of the GOP doomsayers who’ve been crying that J-Mac can’t win?
Could they be wrong?

jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Who? Of course he’ll win. These stories are for amusement. Like Hillary said, Obama can’t win. Like many have said, Clinton can’t win.

Conservatives are just annoyed that the winner is a right-wing Democrat.

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Even Gore or Bloomberg can’t save them. Dang it if global warming ended just at the wrong time for fat boy’s return, and the other guy is a JOOOO. (shhhh)

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM

I see that idiot egotist McCain keeps on rejecting his Secret Service protection (which is not for HIM, but for the protection of the constitutional office of the Presidency itself), and is publicly proclaiming that fact.
Who does that schmuck think he is, Superman? That does not breed confidence in a country which still remembers assassinations, assassination attempts and the national dislocations those caused.

His egotism, innate weirdness and systemic unlikeability are the things that could spell defeat in the general election. He’s a old man and being both old and a weirdo is not a winning combination. Even the pathetic Hillary/Obama deathmatch could triumph.
How have we been saddled with this jackass?

TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM

I suspect that what will sink Obama isn’t his leftist ideas, but his treatment of race in his book Dreams from my Father. If Ann Coulter is even half right in what she wrote in her recent editorial about it, white people who don’t hate themselves will resent what Obama has to say about race. And whites should resent it. When white people interact with blacks in multiracial America, we don’t spend every second thinking about the black person’s race–as Obama claims. We are too self-absorbed to be that racist.

thuja on April 4, 2008 at 9:19 AM

I think McCain is going to win. Obama is much like Rudy in that he can’t really come from behind. He’s a good candidate if he’s leading, but there isn’t enough substance there for him to point to as reasons for people to change their minds if they view him unfavorably. McCain has plenty of substance for people to see over his lifetime and conclude that he won’t mess things up too bad at worst.

I think the Democrats lose this election even with all their money.

ThackerAgency on April 4, 2008 at 9:19 AM

Makes one wonder where Obama’s numbers would be if the MSM had actually been informing the American electorate about Obama’s policy positions, rather than just dropping to their knees and genuflecting every time he makes an appearance.

AZCoyote on April 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Soon the MSM will even turn on the Dem party. If it becomes too obvious that McCain is going to win, they’ll say he’s winning because he has liberal/centrist values like Bill Clinton did, and that the Dem’s field was poor. They’ll say McCain is not a repudiation of liberalism, just a repudiation of some particularly flawed candidates. So the MSM/Dem. split may be coming. Fun to see the tent collapsing over the party guest.

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM

The question now isn’t whether Maverick will win, but by how much. Will he pull a Mondale?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 4, 2008 at 9:43 AM

“Senator Barack Obama…” “Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton…”

What, Obama has no middle name?

/smirk

Midas on April 4, 2008 at 9:47 AM

He and his wife are bigots and people see it. he’s a socialist and people see it, he has no clue about foreign or domestic policy and people SEE it.

dogsoldier on April 4, 2008 at 9:00 AM

You say that like you think libs would find offense in it.

Many libs are bigots, evidenced by their behavior and identity politics. Yay for Barack.

Many libs are socialists, evidenced by their policies on most social and financial issues. Yay for Barack.

And his foreign and domestic policies are largely the reflection of polls and leftist/lib dogma anyway – nothing there for folks on the left to dislike. Yay for Barack.

Midas on April 4, 2008 at 9:51 AM

What, Obama has no middle name?

/smirk

Midas on April 4, 2008 at 9:47 AM

Hillary’s middle name is not Rodham.

Her middle name is either Diane or Diablo, I am not sure which.

EJDolbow on April 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM

I think McAmnesty ir right; Obama has a glass jaw. That sneaky McCain knows all the Will Rodgers style quips like the “pig rolling in the mud” one he used on Dr. Demento Dean. “Excuses are for pregnant nuns…..don’t take a knife to a gun fight” etc.

Obama will get fried on the pastor disaster, not holding his hand over his heart on the pledge, his loud mouthy wife, his lack of experience, not to mention he is a chicken.

Facing the view is one thing, facing Chris wallace is something else…Obamas jaw flapping will only get him so far among stupid dems. Real men won’t be bamboozeled.

saiga on April 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM

B.O. has got so much support behind him right now to render any of these polls to be completely useless, regardless of who is conducting them.

pilamaye on April 4, 2008 at 10:12 AM

TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM

What an asinine comment. Get over yourself.

Jaibones on April 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:04 AM

That’s where I was headed. I figure he would only take the bet if his 401k is worthless = NY Times stock.

Jaibones on April 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Obama didn’t peak too early. His peak will get him through to the Dem nomination. The media are completely in the tank for him (I don’t see this story anywhere on the front page of nyt.com) and will pummel McCain endlessly come June.

Clark1 on April 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM

How have we been saddled with this jackass?

TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 9:18 AM

Damn good question. Once he showed his ass on immigration, he blew it with me. He says “they are all God’s children”, but so are the guilty inmates in prison, which is where the illegals belong.

He will probably win though because Obama does have a glass jaw.

saiga on April 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I have a question.

It’s documented that registered Republicans falls below registered Democrats by a sizable amount – at least 20% I think. If a poll reflects that, and is among very likely voters, is that really skewing?

amkun on April 4, 2008 at 10:45 AM

“It’s documented that registered Republicans falls below registered Democrats by a sizable amount – at least 20% I think.”

“Registered” is not what’s relevant. Many “Democrats” are “Republicans” who registered as Democrats in order to vote in the relevant primary. And they’ll vote Republican in the General Election.

And “registered” voters are not nearly as good of an indicator as is “likely” voters. A good percentage of “registered” voters do not vote on election day, whereas most “likely” voters do.

NoDonkey on April 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Aha, I see in going to the actual link to this “poll” that in fact it is related to the other C-BS/NYT “poll” that is all over the media this morning, namely how the percentage of Americans who think the country is heading in the wrong direction has hit an all time high. I’m sure they cooked the sample group on that portion of the “poll” as well.

Del Dolemonte on April 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM

NoDonkey on April 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Good point about the primary-Dems. Hadn’t thought about it. You may be right that what one is registered as doesn’t mean much – I mean, I’m still registered Republican but I don’t identify as such anymore. But, I did specifically say in my comment that as long as the poll was among likely voters, I’m not sure it’s “skewing.”

The country isn’t split 50/50 or 45/45/10, at least statistically, so such a poll would mean little.

amkun on April 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Del Dolemonte on April 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM

When you ask that question, you don’t need to “cook” the sample.

That is a pretty shallow question and without amplification, the MSM loves to interpret the results as dissatiscation with conservative or Republican leadership, and thus good tidings for liberalism.
I’ve been of the opinion that the country is going in the wrong direction for 20 years, or even longer. My belief that we have consistentlt been headed in the wrong direction is based on the creeping incrementalism of nanny-state liberalism, and the abdication of conservative fiscal principles by W. Truthfully, conservatives have been successful in only slowing the growth of government at times- not stopping it, or reducing it- so, yes, we are “headed in the wrong direction”.

But the way the MSM would interpret that answer, as a repudiation of conservatism, is complete BS.

Alamo on April 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM

It looks like someone needs a cool, refreshing smoke.

andycanuck on April 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM

andycanuck on April 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM

LOL!!!

D2Boston on April 4, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Loser.

He deserves everything he loses.

madmonkphotog on April 4, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Chris Matthews still talks about getting a thrill up his leg whenever Obama speaks,

A thrill up his leg,or something trickling down it?

njcommuter on April 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Not to throw water but Obamas come under attack from both sides – McCains untouched

But he will be, oh yes

EricPWJohnson on April 4, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Makes one wonder where Obama’s numbers would be if the MSM had actually been informing the American electorate about Obama’s policy positions, rather than just dropping to their knees and genuflecting every time he makes an appearance.

AZCoyote on April 4, 2008 at 9:21 AM

I’m not sure they were genuflecting when they hit their knees…

Big John on April 4, 2008 at 1:42 PM

reports that his former pastor had made politically inflammatory statements from his church’s pulpit in Chicago.*

Up in smoke.

*How about decades of hypocritical, racist and nation hate rants designed to create thousands of tithe paying victim/cultists dependent upon the church, the Democrat political machine and most importantly, the pastor.

Utterly despicable and and completely destructive to the same people he professed to help.

Speakup on April 4, 2008 at 2:37 PM

For McCain to only be tied with both Obama and Clinton in the general polls after this cluster of a primary campaign doesn’t speak too well for McCain.

Nonfactor on April 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM

With Hill finished and Obama on his way, we are stuck with McCain, the least of the three evils.

saved on April 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM

and the other guy is a JOOOO. (shhhh)

JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM

And we know how much the left, and the Reverend Wright love them…

Nonfactor, that’s really funny and wishful thinking. Get your Kleenex ready, and I’ll get the couch prepared, a really big one.

Entelechy on April 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Why does anybody take anything that contains the words “New York Times” and “CBS” seriously anyway? Are you surprised that the sample was skewed coming from these people?

JC in CA on April 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Skewed poll = meaningless poll

DavePa on April 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

The split in party identification is 9% according to Rasmussen. Thus a 42% Democrat versus 27% Republican sample is skewed by about 6%. If you correct for that (ie reduce dem by %of Democrats for say Obama versus % of Republicans for Obama X 6% and add to McCAin’s result the difference in % Republicans for McCain versus Democrats % for McCain X 6%), this poll’s results would come out close to Rasmussen’s tracking poll results which show McCain ahead of Obama by 3% and Clinto by 5%.

One has to wonder if the Times deliberately tries to make the Dems seem inevitable in order to discourage Republicans and get nervous businessmen to donate to the presumed Democrat winners so that they will get a hearing.

KW64 on April 4, 2008 at 6:58 PM

TexasJew- You should be happy that McCain doesn’t use SS protection… he might get shot, and we’d get to nominate a “better” candidate. Sound good to you? It shouldn’t, but it probably does.

leftnomore on April 4, 2008 at 11:09 PM

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