Social con group to McCain: Just say no to Mitt
posted at 9:51 pm on April 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“Utterly unacceptable”? Even I wouldn’t go that far, and I’ve been cool to the idea of putting him on the ticket for months. Quote:
“If Governor Romney is on your ticket, many social conservative voters will consider their values repudiated by the Republican Party and will either stay away from the polls this November or only vote down ticket. For the sake of your election, the health of your party, and the future of America you must not allow the obvious electoral consequences of that to occur,” concludes the text of the ad.
Click the first link above to see the full text of the ad, which zeroes in predictably on abortion and gay marriage. Here’s the background as regards the latter; if Mitt did the Log Cabin Republicans some big favor, it’s obviously been lost on them. Meanwhile, the My Man Mitt site is in high dudgeon, flinging links aplenty claiming that the ad is misleading. The curious part is why any of this should be troubling to Paul Weyrich, who endorsed Romney for president as recently as four months ago, long after his positions on these issues had shaken out. This makes him the anti-Dobson, I guess.
Exit question: What’s this really about? After 18 months of Romney running for president, suddenly these guys have a problem with his record?
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Just to be clear, when I said that Huckabee suffered from more bigotry than Romney doesn’t mean that I think he should be VP either. It doesn’t mean I would vote for Huckabee either.
During this race, America WENT OUT OF ITS WAY to NOT be bigoted. They allowed Romney a HUGE STAGE to give a speech about religion at a presidential library carried in prime time by all the networks. . . that wasn’t offered to anyone of any other religion.
My problem with Romney and most every other conservatives’ problems with Romney are policy based. I think he is a good guy and has a wonderful family, and that says a lot about a man. But the problem is that you can’t disagree with his positions without being labeled a ‘bigot’. Lord help us when people start calling us racists soon for disagreeing with Obama. . . We need to get rid of all of our nuclear weapons says Obama? OK, sure, I want to make sure that you know I’m not racist so whatever you say, OK . . . buddy?
People in this country need to learn how to appreciate and celebrate this country for the abilities that everyone has. But lets get real for a minute please.
ThackerAgency on April 3, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Well then Pat Robertson is the perfect choice!–Unless he’s the evangelist who died recently, or was that Fallwell?
S/off.
Christine on April 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM
I think some evangelists fear the Mormons might get to the Ishmaelites before they themselves do.
Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Will no one rid me of these damn Gibots!
- CSD
MB4 on April 3, 2008 at 11:45 PM
No, I would never suggest that. Like I said earlier (see my comment at 10:40), you won’t be able to convert a whole religion of people…but you can educate them so AQ doesn’t have an unlimited stock of suicide bombers.
Sigh.
malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Shall we refer to the Koran? Yes, lets.
I don’t pretend to know whether the alleged prophet Mohammed was a radical Islamist, an Islamic radical, a moderate jihadist, an extremist jihadist, an Islamic fundamentalist or a moderate-extremist jihado-Islamist.
All I know is that Islam is a religion of peace and the brave, so very brave, Iraqis deserve unending praise and military support unlike the evil Europeans who bombed Pearl Harbour… oh wait…
aengus on April 3, 2008 at 11:48 PM
I’m not defending Weyrich, I don’t give a fuck about him. Just pointing out that at one point in the last five months he wasn’t a Mormon-hatin godbag.
See, that’s the point. He went on record as not “hatin on a Mormon”. Maybe he’s a flip-flopper.
daveintexas on April 3, 2008 at 11:51 PM
The “cast terror into the hearts” line really touched me.
malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:51 PM
After that incoherent speech in Annapolis, where McCain intermittantly babbled about rich people and people who have “made it too easily” (I suppose he wasn’t talking about his wife’s family) and some other memes aboutcynicism, I decided that I would vote for him, with all my misgivings, because he is such a philosophically confused old man that it would be an act of charity to do so (we Jews call it “rachmonis”).
Outside of defense or standard security issues, he is as lost as a wet wandering puppy on the street.
Even with my hatred of the two socialists who presently comprise the democrat’s ticket, hearing McCain yesterday vainly trying to string together a single thought process about conservative economic and philosophical values was pathetic. And this stumbling dyslexic fool is supposed to lead our once-ascendent party into the future? Oy!
Of course, I will vote for him, that is, not truly FOR him, but it will be a vote nevertheless..
TexasJew on April 3, 2008 at 11:52 PM
And keep in mind that this poll was of “Muslim-Americans”. I don’t even want to think about the polling data in the Middle East.
malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I have re-read your comments. So what then, is your opinion as to the outreach described in the LA Times?
Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:53 PM
“Exit question: What’s this really about? After 18 months of Romney running for president, suddenly these guys have a problem with his record?”
Maybe they know that McCain won’t do the right thing and tap Mitt, so they want to ‘warn’ those of us who want someone right of center as VP to off-set McCain’s liberal leaning.
It’s all about balancing the equation.
However, when you split those hairs, it don’t matter much. No matter who his running mate is, as POTUS, McCain will continue to sell out the country as Bush I, Bubba and Dubya have done. HRC and BO will just make it more excruciatingly painful to witness; they’re destroying the Democrat Party, imagine what they could do to the country.
Christine on April 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM
No, Pat Robertson’s still alive. He’s the one who takes too much insulin and can see the future. (And so will be able to alert of us his death beforehand.)
Fallwell was the one who ate too much and was afraid of TV shows for toddlers. (Though, sadly, he was/is not the only one.)
Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Tzetzes
Intriging - I used to wear tzetzes, when I went to Camp Machanaim!
TexasJew on April 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Well, I wouldn’t donate to an Islamic charity without throughly researching where my money is going. We don’t want more of this, now do we?
malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Have you ever watched the Teletubbies? That program is unfit for anyone, homosexual characters or not.
Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Eh what? You wore on your clothes the greatest scholar of the twelfth century? (And in Texas, no less?)
Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Uhm, religion.
freevillage on April 3, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Yeah, I’m with Falwell on that one. Homosexual or not…Teletubbies is definitely unholy.
malan89 on April 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Bro, I watch the Teletubbies every day. I’m not exaggerating: I work at home and spend part of my time watching my sister’s 17-month-old son. Rowdy kid, but that show calms him down and has a really good effect on him. It’s brilliant how they’ve set it up: the music, the timing, the way the baby-in-the-sun shows just his eyes before popping the rest of the way up (a peekaboo that has my young nephew in stitches).
They’ve done an excellent job. Just remember, it wasn’t made for you and me!
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I doubt that the church provided any support in terms of actual money. The article only mentions food and medical supplies. This is pretty standard for Mormon relief operations. They specialize in stockpiling huge amounts of supplies and delivering them quickly and efficiently, supervising the entire process to avoid misallocation.
If there was no way that these supplies would be used to support terrorism, would this be an acceptable form of outreach? I ask hypothetically as I will not be available to reply. Thanks for the conversation.
Dead Hand Control on April 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Oh, further the Teletubbies, the one thing that does give me the rage is that they’ve redone, for the American market, the voice of the grownup who introduces the show (who says “over the hills and far away…”).
On the DVD, you can go to “Language Selection” and choose American or Canadian. I kid you not. The Canadian one gives the original British soundtrack, while the American one gives the same show but with some American guy who overenunciates his words. Apparently they don’t think our little American kids could handle an English accent.
(Which is a bit stupid: you could have the show in French or German and the audience, who doesn’t even yet know how to speak, would love it just as much.)
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:05 AM
AP, why the “utterly unacceptable” under the pic of Romney? Are you trying to influence house opinion again?
As I have said before, maybe it’s time to ease up. McCain needs Romney. As good as the others might be, they don’t have Romney’s skills.
A plea for objectivity, AP. The country is in terrible shape and needs economic and foreign policy expertise. Dig down, AP, and come to your senses.
eaglesdontflock on April 4, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Interesting.
Can a Christian be called a Christian if he or she is never baptized?
Nobody can be a true Christian without Baptism.
Well, I have a question for these social conservative groups.
John McCain was NEVER baptized.
Do you consider him a Christian?
Indy Conservative on April 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Hmm, might want to try some ritalin instead. The side effects aren’t as bad. That is, unless you side with Tom Cruise on the issue of prescriptions for 17-month-olds, you Scientologist whacko!
Dead Hand Control on April 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I think Allah was either quoting or paraphrasing the Government-God-Whatsit people.
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM
DHC, I agree with you on all the other issues above, but on this one I raise my brow and give you the eye…
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I would be concerned enough to call child protective services if you had expressed agreement.
Dead Hand Control on April 4, 2008 at 12:11 AM
These freaking bigots! Romney is no good for you, then stay home, you losers. I guarantee that if your Huckabigot is on the ticket, real Christians like me will walk away from the republican ticket for good - we’re tired of the fake social cons. One of the reasons I am willing to listen to McCain is that Romney is still in the running for VP.
Think_b4_speaking on April 4, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Tzetses
eaglesdontflock on April 4, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Eh what? You wore on your clothes the greatest scholar of the twelfth century? (And in Texas, no less?)
Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Sorry to add confusion to the thread..
No, tsetzes or tzitzis (or, “tallit katan” - it’s in Wikipedia) are the four-cornered fringed garments, like a miniature tallis, that orthodox Jewish men (mandatory at 13 years and up) must wear under their clothes during the day.
Even we younger kids wore them at camp. I remember sliding into home base with those silk fringes flying up in the air.
TexasJew on April 4, 2008 at 12:14 AM
oops, yes, Allah was also making his own statement, Tzetses. Any other quote could have gone under the picture.
This is a friggin’ nightmare of an election.
eaglesdontflock on April 4, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Ah, gotcha! So you really are part of the “fringe”! :)
But seriously, I have great, great respect for that.
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Of course. As long as they’re supervising where it goes, why would I be against giving people food and first aid supplies.
malan89 on April 4, 2008 at 12:23 AM
No clue why I wrote Joseph with a “f.” Just tired, I guess. Long day.
Connie on April 4, 2008 at 12:36 AM
It’s the Mormonism, again. Some of these pinheads never learn.
WasatchMan on April 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Neither was I, and I consider myself a Christian. More importantly, I believe JC does too. In other words, it’s none of your freakin’ business, and it’s NOT UP TO YOU. I’m thinkin’ it’s pretty un-Christian for you to be judging others’ eternal fates.
This whole anti-Romney thing is completely unsurprising to me. John McCain was right when he said they’re “agents of intolerance.” Besides, look who GINGPAC supports.
It’s time for a new generation of conservatives to push out these asshats. They have done absolutely NOTHING to grow the movement, and in fact, they’ve managed to drive people away. Mitt’s not my first choice for VP either, but I sure won’t be opposing him.
BTW, Tinky Winky IS ghey. A pink tutu skirt? A handbag? On a “male” teletubbie? How is there even a question about it? (Not that toddlers care one way or another, though.)
bamapachyderm on April 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM
At least you didn’t spell Smiph with one.
;)
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Mitt was the best candidate.
We’ll have to make do with McCain.
And it’s a total bummer these guys would still be against Mitt.
Domino on April 4, 2008 at 1:06 AM
The only way that i would ever vote for Billary is if Mccain picks Romney as his VP.
I would definitely do it…..just to stop Romeny from being anywhere near the white house!
Romeny was certainly the WORST candidate presidential candidate ever in the entire history of this great country!
Well….maybe his dad was worse. (but that was not a legitimate run, since he was born in mexico after Romnees polygamist grandfather fled the U.S. when polygamy was banned)
If Romnee is on the republican ticket, the republican party is dead, and we might as well nominate Billary.
SaintOlaf on April 4, 2008 at 1:14 AM
LOL. Thanks for the nightcap. Worst evah!
I hope you enjoy tomorrow morning’s best ever cup of coffee to go with your best ever breakfast!
Spirit of 1776 on April 4, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Ha ha ha! Best witty retort evah!
Apparently Joseph Smith once ran for President. Tell me truly: between him and Romney (time-travel being possible), which one would you vote for?
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I remind you of this:
1) and 2) are Mormon/Latter-Day Saint (LDS) language. And since I’m an evangelical, Born-Again Christian,
Roger Waters (clearly a Mormon/LDS) is “Just saying…” that:
That same commenter, earlier that same day, said:
Now show me a comment where I have said anything that nasty about Mitt Romney, Roger Waters, or any other Mormon/LDS. The worst I have said is that Joseph Smith was a false prophet. But that invokes a “Fitna” response, now doesn’t it?
Red Pill on April 4, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Watch and see. Go ahead nominate Romni. It will be the end of the republican party, when the rockefeller republicans finally force the Christians out!
You’ll never win another election EVER!
SaintOlaf on April 4, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Are you sure Roger Waters is a Mormon?! And, if you don’t like him, do you prefer Syd Barrett or David Gilmour?
More to the point (if he is, which I honestly don’t see coming out from the seven words you use for your linguistic analysis) do you really think he’s representative? I’ve seen you drag these (admittedly un-Christian) remarks out before. By why is it that you have to go back to them?
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Didd yue an TEH CHOZUN WUN hav spelyng lessens toogether?
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Didn’t you see Spirit of 1776 taking the mick out of you already?
And, more importantly, would you rather be proven right in such an event or proven wrong?
Tzetzes on April 4, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Fine, McCain may not choose Romney….
But he’s not likely to choose Huckabee either.
Even if both are on the current iteration of the short list, there are 18 other candidates. Names like Crist, Graham, Palin, Guiliani, Steele, etc. are probably on that list right along with Romney’s and your lad’s. Badmouthing Romney isn’t going to do jack to increase Huckabee’s chances of getting picked.
At least Romney might have a chance of appeasing Limbaugh, and quite frankly, McCain has a bigger need to mend fences with Rush Limbaugh and the border hawks than with evangelicals. Huckabee doesn’t appeal in any way, shape, form or fashion to whichever Dems end up going away mad from Denver, and Rush isn’t fond of him either.
Huck brings nothing to the table that McCain needs. So fine, say whatever nasty things you want about Romney. It won’t make McCain choose Huckabee.
Sekhmet on April 4, 2008 at 2:17 AM
So you guys will accept atheists, wiccans, pagans, et al, as your lefty overlords before you’d vote for a party that would nominate a Mormon?
Interesting…
SuperCool on April 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM
Y’know, I’m really getting tired of soc-cons constantly threatening to pick up their dollies and go home unless they get their way.
irishspy on April 4, 2008 at 2:28 AM
This is more proof that Mike Huckabee was the worst thing that has happened to the Republican Party in a very long time. The religious bigotry that he has conjured up is terrible.
Personally, I want a McCain/Romney ticket because I like the idea of one the strongest military politicians teamed up with one of America’s smartest businessman to lead us in the future.
Mitt’s a class act and would be an asset to the GOP ticket. His big mistake was trying to reach out to these religious bigots to try and help mend their biases with his religion.
So I’d also like Mitt on the ticket if it would help eradicate these religious knuckle draggers out of the GOP.
I’m so sick and tired of pious religious idiots everywhere in politics with Mike Huckabee, the Rev. Wright, now this stupid Catholic priest defending him and Farrakhan…..pathetic….all of them. Go away….far, far away!!!
sheryl on April 4, 2008 at 2:48 AM
I’d guess Huckabee infected these idiots with his religious bigotry if I had to guess why they have lost their moral compass.
{^_^}
herself on April 4, 2008 at 5:21 AM
McCain cannot pick Romney as veep. At least I hope not. Never liked Mitt. But again, any veep under McCain isn’t going to be a power player in his administration.
JetBoy on April 4, 2008 at 6:17 AM
LOL!
Nichevo on April 4, 2008 at 6:47 AM
Romney is a new convert to conservatism. That’s why he lost the primaries.
A few anti-Mormons tried to stir up opposition to Mitt because of his religion, but it wasn’t a factor in voter turnout.
jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 7:13 AM
How do you know? Are you a fortune teller?
jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 7:15 AM
As Pres, Romney is more directly accountable to the voters, and under the media spotlight. His promises would have to be kept, or exposed as lies. As VP, he can keep a lower profile, and maintain a quiet loyalty to McCain, and revert back to his MA values, if the President requires him to.
JiangxiDad on April 4, 2008 at 7:25 AM
You can keep saying it, it doesn’t make it any more truthful.
malan89 on April 4, 2008 at 7:37 AM
I’ve said this before here so apologies first - as an Evangelical Christian and a resident of MA, Mitt was a great governor and I think he’d make both a great VP and president. I don’t agree with his religion but that should not be a litmus test for office. As for his changing his beliefs on some social issues, I only have to look at myself as one who has also changed his beliefs.
Rod on April 4, 2008 at 7:42 AM
If I was, I’d be at the casino right now…
Well, McCain has made his case for the Vice Prez office: “I spent several years in a North Vietnamese prison camp, in the dark, fed with scraps. Do you think I want to do that all over again as vice president of the United States?”
Whomever McCain picks, the veep won’t be a player like Cheney has been in the Bush administration. And Mitt Romney would simply be a horrible choice. He isn’t the conservative so many made him out to be. And McCain isn’t the liberal so many say he is either.
JetBoy on April 4, 2008 at 7:42 AM
But if you changed all of your core social beliefs just in time to run for President, I wouldn’t vote for you, either.
jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 8:04 AM
There are plenty of good conservative VP choices out there who aren’t new to conservatism. Why are some of you so committed to Mitt?
jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 8:07 AM
hmmm, my reply seems to be held up for some reason…
JetBoy on April 4, 2008 at 8:18 AM
OK, that one showed up…in any event, what I basically said was that no, I’m no fortune teller, but McCain has made comments about the office of Vice President that makes me think that office won’t be very influential. Not in the way Cheney has been in the Bush admin. anyway.
JetBoy on April 4, 2008 at 8:21 AM
I would. I’m not at all happy about a McCain/Romney ticket. I have enough of a problem backing McCain but Romney? I’ve said I’d never back a pro-abortion candidate, that’s why I refused to vote for Guiliani. I’d hate to stay home in November and the next day hear “President-elect Obama.” The Republican Party had better come around and reject this nonsense.
abcurtis on April 4, 2008 at 8:27 AM
The fact that he converted right at election time bothered me. I’d like to see a couple or three years standing by these beliefs before I’d vote for him. And his lifetime membership in the NRA? What a joke. Did he denounce the NRA when he was running for governor? I’d bet he did.
And tell me, how can any politician run for office in the state that gave Kennedy and Kerry, the two most liberal people in the Senate, life time seats, run and win as a conservative? I dont think it can happen, but that’s just me.
abcurtis on April 4, 2008 at 8:35 AM
Gee, just when I thought all the self-destructive asshats were on the (D) side again.
James on April 4, 2008 at 8:43 AM
I’m so tired of these so-called Christians embarrasing me.
bridgetown on April 4, 2008 at 8:44 AM
We are not electing a spiritual guide.
We are electing a president and vice president.
bridgetown on April 4, 2008 at 8:46 AM
On Fox News this morning, Bill Kristol actually stated that DEMOCRAT Joe Lieberman would make an excellent Vice President for John McCain. Has the Republican Party entirely lost its compass?! Is Bill Kristol now the Leader of the RINO movement? Have Republican leaders gone mad?
If McCain does not choose Mitt Romney for his VP (I say this because at least I have a glimpse of the man’s character based on his campaign paper-trail and the debates) I will not vote. I am disgusted with the Republican Party and have shredded all my GOP donation envelopes, without opening them. That is another first for me.
sinsing on April 4, 2008 at 8:48 AM
You’re silly. There are lots of conservative choices better than Mitt.
That’s OK. McCain will win easily anyway, with or without you.
jgapinoy on April 4, 2008 at 9:08 AM
I’M STILL WITH MITT!!
MITT 2012!!
madmonkphotog on April 4, 2008 at 9:13 AM
I believe that you are the “silly” one to assume that you can trust McCain’s judgement regarding selecting a VP. The “Amnesty Bill” boys are glued to his hip, hopin’ and prayin’, for the VP offer and the fact that Lieberman may be on the short list puts McCain’s alliance to the principles of the Republican Party, in question.
sinsing on April 4, 2008 at 9:24 AM
Bill Kristol only cares about his neoconservative globalist democracy project. Lieberman is for the war and thats all that matters to Kristol.
aengus on April 4, 2008 at 9:36 AM
Romney would provide much needed balance to the Republican ticket. Want border security? Mitt is for it. Want our military to have the strength and authority to get information in any way needed, whether at home or at Guantanamo? Mitt is the man. And, given how the two are opposite on certain issues it would make for great television and talk radio. :)
Just look at this simple chart on where Mitt and McCain stand on the issues.
cannonball on April 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Must be a slow news day.
whitetop on April 4, 2008 at 9:38 AM
We already have an incompetent/unqualified/racist/anti-America guy with way too many Muslim connections, and a pathological liar as candidates. Mitt would be a welcome breath of fresh air. I don’t care if he’s Mormon. Obama and Hillary are NOT Christians. Not in any sense of the word.
PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on April 4, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Ok, this is now officially become surreal. Our nominee is the man who was once one of the most disliked Senate members. Where Hagel was only good for an eyeroll when he took to the news shows, McCain could actually induce cringing and shuddering; because unlike Hagel, McCain would happily go off message and hose the party. Now, he’s our nominee. People are actually happy about it. They’re actually trying to sell his candidacy as a good thing, rather than something that must be tolerated. He still has the giant amnesty propenent on staff; he’s talking about cratering our economy with Global warming BS…and we’re arguing about his vice president?
Now, I didn’t really like Romney that much; he struck me as a bit phony, but I could have voted for him. Part of me wants to see him on the ticket so we can get that McCain can take them both out of 2012 with the big flush that his presidency would be. But that would still leave Huckabee, who is even worse.
Honestly guys, what does matter who the veep is? You’re basically electing John Kerry, except for the position on Iraq. Putting in Fred Sanford or Elmer Fudd as VP is not going to make McCain’s presidency suck any less. He’s a control freak, egomaniacal jerk. A VP will probably be nothing but a sock puppet anyway. And what’s this cr*p about feeling repudiated if Romney isn’t picked? McCain’s nomination is a repudiation of most of the traditional GOP platform. You’re (happily) voting for illegal immigration and a new Kyoto (even Clinton didn’t go that far). This is like going to a dive bar and asking for a clean mug.
austinnelly on April 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I can’t believe so many people are willing to dismiss the idea this is fueled by religious bigotry.
We forgive our politicians many things and if Mitt didn’t attend the same church that Fred Thompson doesn’t attend Romney would be our nominee today.
Any HONEST look at the evolution of Thompson’s beliefs and Romney’s shows a similar rightward shift in a similar time frame and at similar ages.
The only difference is Mitt did not push McCain/Feingold/Thompson through the Senate.
EJDolbow on April 4, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Personally, I supported Romney because he was the best out of available choices. I don’t think of him as a pillar of conservatism. In fact I HOPE he doesn’t really mean half of what he says. He’s just better than others running.
As for VP, I don’t think it’s politically smart to pick him.
freevillage on April 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM
This is exactly the kind of idiot that can’t see through his hatred for Mormons. Why? What does being Mormon have to do with being President? What?
You wear your ignorance on your sleeve sir.
Besides, I don’t see Romney being the VP.
Geronimo on April 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Please, there’s only 199 signature on their stupid petition. We get more comments than that on a slightly controversial thread.
What’s really funny is they want a REAL conservative to run with Mav..as if Mav was a real conservative!
Mav: pick Mitt.
JustTruth101 on April 4, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Well, Mormons think it’s a unique qualification. If you have paid attention to the election results in Utah…
freevillage on April 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Huckabee and his crew were scum from the beginning. I have no idea why his “Christian candidate” and “honorable campaign” schtick is believed by so many. He and his supporters were literally the most dishonest and unethical of any of the Republican campaigns. I guess this new pronouncement now makes me the anti-Huckabee supporter as I’ll only vote for McAmnesty IF he picks Mitt for his VP.
davenp35 on April 4, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Where is csdeven? I thought he would have piped up before now.
Troy Rasmussen on April 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Mitt is smarter than all of the rest- Democrats have no problem voting for a Muslim, why such a problem with a Mormon? Actually we need him on his understanding of the economy and the need to compete educationally against the Asians. He is not going to bring his religion into politics. The democrats are willing to put a a person who will favor the Muslims, that is actually anti Jewish into office. Can’t understand the Jews that would vote for Obama- must have a death wish! They have voted for a democrat no matter what- just like the blacks although all advances for the blacks have been because of the reublicans introducing legislation and voting for the changes.The democrats fought them all the way! Might try checking facts on that if you don’t know that.
nnaus on April 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM
I would say the same thing about calling those that have a problem with Romney ‘bigots against Mormons’. That statement ignores the FACT that Mass is one of the MOST LIBERAL, if not THE most liberal state in the country. He was pro-choice, pro gay marriage (the first state to recognize it), anti-gun, and pro universal health care mandates that provides abortions for 50 bucks.
His positions have nothing to do with his religion. And his religion has nothing do do with why most people have a problem with his positions.
It’s so funny that I’ve lived in the South and had to contend with allegations of ‘racism’ all my life. But as absurd as it has always been, these allegations of bigotry against Mormonism for disagreeing with Romney top all of the race baiting I’ve ever known.
ThackerAgency on April 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM
OK, lets dissect this statement from the person who is definitely not a bigot.
If I were to say ‘Romney and his crew were scum from the beginning’, there is no doubt in my mind that someone would jump down my throat for being a ‘bigot’. After all, he spent his personal fortune running TV ads that were basically attack ads against the front runner and never positive ads about why he would be good. NOBODY ran as many negative attack ads as Romney did. Of course it’s OK to be bigoted against a former Baptist preacher because you can get away with being bigoted there.
You Romney supporters are making me dislike Romney more and more. I liked him a lot better before you all started ‘defending’ him. You probably would be better off to quit while you are ahead and losing ground.
ThackerAgency on April 4, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I did watch the race and was consumed by it. I am a Mitt supporter. I’ve also seen SaintOlaf’s post before and he is a Bible thumper of, I would guess, the Baptist variety.
Blacks will flock to Obama. The south, (made up primarily of Evangelicals) voted Huck. Utah, and quite a few other states voted Mitt. This is not lost on me. The problem I have is the obvious religious bigotry that goes along with Mitt and only Mitt. Noone made an issue of Huck being a Bible thumper and shoving his religion down everyones throats. Mitt didn’t make his being a Mormon part of his campaign, he only answered for it. Why? Because a lot of people have questions about Mormons because the amount of preconceptive ignorance about the LDS faith is large.
ie, they can have 10 wives, yada, yada. A lot of false information surrounds LDS.
Here’s the info about the divide between Baptists and Mormons. Baptists HATE Mormons. They seethe when it comes to Mormons. I don’t know why because I never heard any LDS talk about Baptists. I’ve never seen Mormons picket Baptist churches. I’ve seen quite a few Baptists protesting the opening of LDS temples though.
I’m just explaining the hatred one has for the other and why it shows up and explains some of the actions of Hucks campaign. Like the “Mormons believe Satan and Jesus were brothers, don’t they?” Perfect example.
It just bothers me that Mitts been singled out for his religion by others of a predominantly vitriolic religion. (Baptist)
Obama din’t get singled out until his Pastors true colors came out.
McCain? Nothing.
Hillary? Nothing.
Edwards? Nothing.
Guiliani? Nothing
Huck? Talked about his faith incessantly.
Mitt? Tried to avoid it until he couldn’t anymore and then gave one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard.
Geronimo on April 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM
As long as a candidate can convince me that he will respect the constitution and enforce the law of the land irrespective of whether he is agnostic, atheist or the member of some religious cult I’d make my decision to vote on the basis of the important issues.
Making religion an issue in every campaign only succeeds in keeping many good candidates out of political life. Still worse are the hypocrites who proclaim to be faithful believers in one of the acceptable cults to stay in the game and are oft found to be grievous “sinners” later on.
My personal view is that Mormonism is pure superstitious nonsense but I’d would have prefered Romney to McCain as the presidential candidate but it’s too late for that now. Choosing Romney as vice-presidential candidate would be an advantage for McCain on economic issues.
Annar on April 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Funny! I was trying to figure out why I did that (really). I think I recall AP or Ed mentioning Mengele in a post yesterday. Maybe I had that on the brain.
Connie on April 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Well, even as a strong conservative, I ‘m not going to walk lock step in line with a nut case like William J. Murray. Madeline must be chuckling like crazy.
MNDavenotPC on April 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM
THAT WAS THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT PEOPLE HAD WITH HIM! Do you remember the book shelf controversy? I mean really. . . you were CONSUMED by the race and missed the bigotry against Huckabee. I disagreed with Huckabee’s positions too and would not have voted for him. But as for SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE positions, Huckabee was in lockstep with me there (as a lifetime of work) while Mitt said what he thought would get him the most votes (whatever that might have been).
ThackerAgency on April 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM
The bookshelf thing were people said there was a cross? I think that was pure coincidence and I never thought that he put it there on purpose. But you’re right, there was a little controversy and people talking about his constant reference to his faith.
I lived in Mass and when you say it’s the most liberal state, I think you hit the nail on the head. It’s rediculous and the fact that he was one of the only Republicans in this state, I don’t blame him for saying things to get elected mainly because I honetly think he would have done what’s best for the state and or country. I think he did pretty good concidering the lunacy in Mass.
Anyway, Mitt’s out and I really don’t think he has a shot at VP. McCain would never go for it because I think their differences are too stark.
Besides, I would much rather have had someone who was willing to come to the conservative side rather than slap us upside the head every chance they get and say they are conservative.
And by the way, I don’t mean to sound like I’m bashing religions because I’m really not. The LDS and Baptist thing is true, though I’m positive not all Baptists feel this way. Just wanted to clear that up.
Geronimo on April 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I’m sorry, but its not BIGOTRY when the candidate himself says he is going to bring the laws of the land in line with “Gods Law” (HIS interpetation of it at least).
HE injected his beliefs into his candidacy… not those who objected to him. HE tried to make his stance a Divine mandate… which… to put it bluntly… scares the bejesus out of folks like me.
When you believe in any position so strongly that it becomes a mandate from God, then its an easy step for those who oppose you to become those who oppose God’s will… sorry, we’ve got one religious war right now, I think thats enough.
Romeo13 on April 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM
But again, I’m not a Huckabee supporter. I just agree with his positions on social conservative issues much more than with Romney. I LIKE Romney. I think he’s a FINE man. I don’t think he’s conservative, but I think he’s a FINE man with an awesome family that would be used as a role model for the ideal family in America.
I just disagree with his positions, and I don’t care what his religion is. I don’t care what Huckabee’s religion is either, but I agree with his positions on social conservative issues.
I think a reasonable person can have issues with Romney’s social con record without being a bigot against Mormons. It sounds like a cop out to me.
ThackerAgency on April 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM
I agree completely. I never thought Mitt was ‘conservative’ (even as Laura Ingraham introduced him as a ‘conservative’s conservative’). He publicly turned down an endorsement of a pro-life group during a debate for governor in Mass. Being on the fence of being pro-life is one thing. . . outright ‘just saying no’ to an endorsement by a pro-life group is pretty blatantly liberal.
Also Massachusetts is the only state where gay marriage is accepted legally. . . are we to believe that he wouldn’t steer the country the same way. And finally the whole universal health care debate. He is the only one who has put a government mandate in place - INCLUDING ABORTION ON DEMAND for 50 bucks.
Put all that together, and to say that CONSERVATIVES have a problem with him only because of ‘religious bigotry’ is misunderstanding Mitt’s positions. . . or at the very least employing the willing suspension of disbelief concerning his actions while governing as opposed to his words campaigning.
He’s not my type of conservative. His money and McCain’s strength in the primary made him everyone’s ’staunch conservative’. But I just focus on facts and leave the primary hype to the pundits.
I don’t see religious bigotry concerning Mitt anywhere. If there was religious bigotry in this race, it was focused on Huckabee.
ThackerAgency on April 3, 2008 at 10:23 PM
Excellent comment ThackerAgency!!
I wasn’t going to post a message, but the more I read the more I noticed that word “bigot” (ugh!) being used again for just mentioning Romney’s political record. Normally it’s only left-wing Democrats believe that mentioning a candidate’s record amounts to “bigotry”. C’mon, you guy’s. I’mma be real and say what’s on my heart. Give people who don’t agree that Romney is a true conservative a break, and stop wit da “B” word. ThackerAgency has got it right. Read his comment above.
Thank you and have a nice day.
apacalyps on April 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Most of the nonsense I’ve seen about this has Huckabee supporter written all over it. It’s a case of the “I didn’t win, and you’re not gonna win either.”
Remember, this has the same MO of the third party push polls that were done by Huckabee, but were not called off either.
It’s not about religion so much that it’s about control/power. People are still stuck on stupid.
SkinnerVic on April 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
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