Social con group to McCain: Just say no to Mitt

posted at 9:51 pm on April 3, 2008 by Allahpundit

“Utterly unacceptable”? Even I wouldn’t go that far, and I’ve been cool to the idea of putting him on the ticket for months. Quote:

“If Governor Romney is on your ticket, many social conservative voters will consider their values repudiated by the Republican Party and will either stay away from the polls this November or only vote down ticket. For the sake of your election, the health of your party, and the future of America you must not allow the obvious electoral consequences of that to occur,” concludes the text of the ad.

Click the first link above to see the full text of the ad, which zeroes in predictably on abortion and gay marriage. Here’s the background as regards the latter; if Mitt did the Log Cabin Republicans some big favor, it’s obviously been lost on them. Meanwhile, the My Man Mitt site is in high dudgeon, flinging links aplenty claiming that the ad is misleading. The curious part is why any of this should be troubling to Paul Weyrich, who endorsed Romney for president as recently as four months ago, long after his positions on these issues had shaken out. This makes him the anti-Dobson, I guess.

Exit question: What’s this really about? After 18 months of Romney running for president, suddenly these guys have a problem with his record?


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If Governor Romney is on your ticket, many social conservative voters religious bigots will consider their values repudiated by the Republican Party…

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 9:56 PM

I have to say, that’s sort of how I’m reading this too.

Allahpundit on April 3, 2008 at 9:57 PM

“We’re tr00 conservatives!”
“No we’re tr00 conservatives!!”

etc

Reaps on April 3, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Allahpundit on April 3, 2008 at 9:57 PM

Ditto.

amerpundit on April 3, 2008 at 9:57 PM

The only thing that keeps me from campaigning for Democrats right now is the possibility that Mitt could be VP.

Dr B on April 3, 2008 at 9:59 PM

I think they are under the laughable delusion that downing Romney raises Huckabee’s fortunes. Umm, last I heard, there are 20 people on McCain’s short list for running mates, not 2.

Sekhmet on April 3, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Romney is the most vetted canidate ever.

PrezHussein on April 3, 2008 at 10:04 PM

“Fulfilling a backdoor campaign promise to the pro-homosexual Log Cabin Republicans…

Using that expression in a (literally) holier-than-thou ad like that is unintentionally hysterical.

ErikTheRed on April 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM

While I wouldn’t word the ad that way, I agree with it. Mitt governed like a liberal and talked like a liberal. He “found himself” when he ran for the presidency. Even if you believe what he has been saying lately, you’d have to be in love to not take into consideration everything he’s said before. He wasn’t a kid when he said it. Who is Mitt Romney? Only his family knows for sure and he doesn’t add anything to the ticket because Mass. will go dem. and Utah will go Repub. He never did have a strong following until the end when people were just trying to stop McCain.
I’d rather have a known Conservative. That probably won’t happen.

thatcher on April 3, 2008 at 10:08 PM

If y’all ever swing by RealClearPolitics, and look at the submitted articles, there’s definitely a cadre of Huckabee fans voting. They are really throwing the h8 at Romney, and still hope that Huckabee will be McCain’s Veep pick.

Sekhmet on April 3, 2008 at 10:09 PM

This group is called “Government Is Not God”. (I agree with that assertion, though I wouldn’t call my organization that!)

Their preferred candidate is still (hope-against-hope) Rev. Huckabee.

Their own way to describe themselves is to say “GING-PAC is a real religious right Political Action Committee.”

Go check their website out and see what you think. Me, it gives me the creeps.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:10 PM

This group is self-labeled as socially conservative. They should be labeled Bigoted Religious group. These are the people who supported, followed and championed Huckabee. Huckabee is the King Pin of Religious Bigots. It’s wacko religious outfits like this who are giving REAL SocCon’s a bad rap. They trample on Reagan’s 11th Commandment. And just like Huckabee they have never stopped hating and smearing a good man, a good Republican, and a good American. McCain could do a HELL of a lot worse then Mitt. Why are they spending money to smear him? Real Classy….Morons

elraphbo on April 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

I never thought that me and “The Far Right” could be more in agreement. Hit the brix Romaneiy. I wonder how this will affect CPAC and their “SECRET MEETING” with Mitt right after he conceded his asswhoopin’. I think actually Allupundit or Hotair was the only source to run the story, I’ll try and find it. Anyway this is the best news I’ve heard all year. Those damn Romeney boyz are probably throwing tantrums right now. This is what happens when you are a phony. Mav has his problems with the base, but damn’t he is who he is.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

I can’t make it out to be anything particularly rational. Much as I hate to say it, it bears the appearance of simple religious prejudice.

Though I suppose it of little matter. VP or not, I don’t think Mitt would be the leading candidate in ’12. It seems conservatives have a bit of their own Messiah fever with Gov. Jindal.

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

So,the religious right want to be heard,er not left out!

With the Democratic Party stewing in their own boiling
pit of sewage,and the Republican Party is nicely
cruising along,I think its a good time for Christian
Conservatives to address their VP concerns,get a
solution and then get the Republican message out,
and get the campaign rolling along while the Liberals
are busy in their own mess that the’ve created!

canopfor on April 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM

ErikTheRed on April 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Ha ha ha ha ha!

I wonder what their “stance” on the Teletubbies is.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM

I still have some problems with Romney which relate to how he would handle the soft jihad that’s occurring here.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM

I don’t consider myself a “social conservative”. I take a “small-l” libertarian view on everything (banning GTA and other video games [cuz GTA rocks], banning porn [cuz...well, let's not go down that road], and censoring TV) except for the genocide of America’s future (abortion) and I think that these kind of things are what loses a lot of voters that would normally hold Conservative positions. If we would focus on issues like the war on terror and economics, we’d have nice majorities in both houses of Congress. I also believe that if Mitt had switched focus from Iowa social conservative pandering to the economic/CEO message he had in Michigan a little earlier in the campaign, he’d be our nominee.

Exit question: What’s this really about?

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malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM

I still have some problems with Romney which relate to how he would handle the soft jihad that’s occurring here.

Really?!

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM

I never thought that me and “The Far Right” could be more in agreement. Hit the brix Romaneiy. I wonder how this will affect CPAC and their “SECRET MEETING” with Mitt right after he conceded his asswhoopin’. I think actually Allupundit or Hotair was the only source to run the story, I’ll try and find it. Anyway this is the best news I’ve heard all year. Those damn Romeney boyz are probably throwing tantrums right now. This is what happens when you are a phony. Mav has his problems with the base, but damn’t he is who he is.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

It’s Romney, dude! For cryin’ out loud, it’s R-O-M-N-E-Y!

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Put F.D.T. on the ticket or you’re a racist.

VolMagic on April 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Exit question: What’s this really about? After 18 months of Romney running for president, suddenly these guys have a problem with his record?

Mephistopheles. Done!
Faust. There!
If to the moment I shall ever say:
Ah, linger on, thou art so fair!”

Linger, indeed, year, linger. Thou art beyond my imagination, from the left, and from the right…Dogma and PC is destroying our country, from both sides of the isle.

Entelechy on April 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Right now Mitt is writing some real big tax deductible checks to religious organizations everywhere. Follow the money. This guy didn’t know when to quit, his dad didn’t know when to quit. Something in the Romeny bloodline that insists on running for office when people obviously don’t care for you or your waffling. Hopefully the Mormons will vote down Josh Rominee for congress and not be “used” as Mormon sheep.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Mitt is a new convert to conservatism–that’s why he lost the primaries. I know of no evidence of anti-Mormonism being a factor.

jgapinoy on April 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Greta Van Susteran-Press Secretary?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Don’t waste your time. His comments are only going to get more juvenile.

As for this group, wouldn’t Huckabee be proud?

Slublog on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

…This is what happens when you are a phony. Mav has his problems with the base, but damn’t he is who he is.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Tis a pity that Mav has a problem also with the truth. There is some irony in that Obama distorts McCain’s comments on Iraq in the same manner he did to Romney.

Though, perhaps by problems with the base, you didn’t mean “conservatives” but rather the Constitution, the base of our government. He has problems with that as well.

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Something in the Romeny bloodline … vote down Josh Rominee for congress …

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Is there a reason for this?

Reminds me of when Reagan died (I was living in England at the time) and a bunch of MPs got up and paid tribute, some less grudgingly than others. One guy from the yellow Lib Dems kept saying it Reegun and a bunch of other people shouted at him “say it right!”

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:21 PM

I know of no evidence of anti-Mormonism being a factor.

Dude, seriously?

Mitt is a new convert to conservatism

Look at his record in Massachusetts.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM

It’s a Romney related post and you know what that means! The droves of trolling anti-Mormon commenters come out to bash Romney (who isn’t even running for anything) and deliberately misspell his name.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:22 PM

thatcher on April 3, 2008 at 10:08 PM

I agree completely. I never thought Mitt was ‘conservative’ (even as Laura Ingraham introduced him as a ‘conservative’s conservative’). He publicly turned down an endorsement of a pro-life group during a debate for governor in Mass. Being on the fence of being pro-life is one thing. . . outright ‘just saying no’ to an endorsement by a pro-life group is pretty blatantly liberal.

Also Massachusetts is the only state where gay marriage is accepted legally. . . are we to believe that he wouldn’t steer the country the same way. And finally the whole universal health care debate. He is the only one who has put a government mandate in place – INCLUDING ABORTION ON DEMAND for 50 bucks.

Put all that together, and to say that CONSERVATIVES have a problem with him only because of ‘religious bigotry’ is misunderstanding Mitt’s positions. . . or at the very least employing the willing suspension of disbelief concerning his actions while governing as opposed to his words campaigning.

He’s not my type of conservative. His money and McCain’s strength in the primary made him everyone’s ‘staunch conservative’. But I just focus on facts and leave the primary hype to the pundits.

I don’t see religious bigotry concerning Mitt anywhere. If there was religious bigotry in this race, it was focused on Huckabee.

ThackerAgency on April 3, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Slublog on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Perhaps you’re right. He’s already started to show his wonted class-envy (and, with it, his own lack of class).

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Religious bigotry against Mormonism is nothing new, and, I have to say, that the Romney haters have only just skimmed the surface of the available damning anecdotes and stances of the Mormon past. Today’s Mormon Church feigns ignorance about why it’s prophets long held that Blacks could not hold the priesthood, but the reality is that there was very clear and very vocal doctrine espoused in support of that action. Racism was strong, regardless of the supposed divine foundation for the doctrine, the attitudes and behaviors were indeed highly racist. The Church even went so far as to “bind” a Black woman in one of their temples to Joseph Smith after his death to serve as his slave in the eternities. The average Mormon knows nothing of this, the knowledge is suppressed, but I guarantee you that the liberal candidates’ campaigns are fully aware of this. A general election campaign with Obama on one side and Romney even as a VP on the other will approach an ugliness we have never seen in American politics.

I think these social con folks attacking Romney now are simply trying to prevent that, while at the same time avoiding peeling off the huge scab of Mormon “racial harmony” that hides something we truly don’t want to see. Sure, they are probably bigots, but I think they are actually trying to suppress something far worse.

Maquis on April 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM

Yes, really. I wasn’t thrilled with article in the LA Times the other day about Mormons and Muslims working together and the similarities between the religions. And before you assume I’m bigoted toward Mormonism, I’ve made the same observations about Catholic (I’m Catholic), Protestant, and Jewish outreach/interfaith efforts. If Romney is smarter than that, kudos to me. I did make a note of the addition of Andrew McCarthy to his team before he quit. That was a smart move.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM

oops…kudos to him

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM

About Huckabee (who on their website has some spooky eyes), I’d like to ask him, “do you still think there’s a hand other than human guiding your campaign? Because I do! Ha ha ha!”

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Anyone who thinks that religious people ought to abandon their deeply held beliefs in favour of the “11th commandment” is mentally unbalanced. It was a joke, people. Reagan was a Christian, not a hack.

aengus on April 3, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I don’t see religious bigotry concerning Mitt anywhere. If there was religious bigotry in this race, it was focused on Huckabee.

ThackerAgency on April 3, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Perhaps then that says more about what you have seen, then the presence of such attitudes. I have seen both toward both.

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Bah. I keep hearing things that make me lose more and more respect for “social conservatives,” which not long ago (I’m talking maybe last month) I would have been proud to call myself. I still am conservative on social matters, but I don’t want that fact to put me in this group.

OneGyT on April 3, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Hey aengus, I wrote something to you the other day (at the end), I think after you’d logged off. Best!

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:34 PM

As for this group, wouldn’t Huckabee be proud?

Slublog on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Yep, he would.

4shoes on April 3, 2008 at 10:35 PM

I’m not some big-time Romney fan, and I think McCain’s running mate won’t be either Romney or Huckabee, but just about everybody bagging on Romney seems to be doing so in hopes of making Huckabee the running mate.

Sekhmet on April 3, 2008 at 10:35 PM

After 18 months of Romney running for president, suddenly these guys have a problem with his record Mormonism ? !!

SouthernGent on April 3, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Connie, you ought to look into Brigham Young’s praising of Joseph Smith as the “Mormon Mohommet.” The most profound similarity of the early Mormon Church with Islam was polygamy, a tie that was very important to the Mormons at the time.

The Mormon Church today seems to serve more as apologists for Islam than actual educators. Kind of steams me when I read their stuff. B16 sounds better all the time…

Maquis on April 3, 2008 at 10:38 PM

I’d rather have a known Conservative. That probably won’t happen.

thatcher on April 3, 2008 at 10:08 PM

That’s precisely the point. We are not going to have a “known conservative.” McCain isn’t going to throw the base a bone because he knows we’ll vote for him anyway to avoid the “greater evil.” However, with Mitt, at least we’ll have a V.P. that understands economic matters FAR better than most other people. That, in my book, is a pretty large PLUS.

Troy Rasmussen on April 3, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Hopefully this means that Mitt is the frontrunner to be McCain’s pick. Let the bigots explode. It might even help the ticket.

MITT 2012!!!!

Greenhorn on April 3, 2008 at 10:39 PM

I wasn’t thrilled with article in the LA Times the other day about Mormons and Muslims working together and the similarities between the religions. And before you assume I’m bigoted toward Mormonism, I’ve made the same observations about Catholic (I’m Catholic), Protestant, and Jewish outreach/interfaith efforts.

I haven’t seen the article you’re talking about so I’m not totally sure what you mean by “working together”. Do you mean some sort of evangelism? In that case, I’m all for them “working together”. Or do you mean some sort of charity work in Muslim nations? In that case, again, I’m all for it. I know and understand a lot of the issues here with the Koran and some very evil preaching in mosques, but I also understand that you’re not going to convert an entire religion of people to Christianity, or atheism, or whatever you think they should believe. The best we can do at this point is “work together” with Muslims to educate and modernize a lot of the countries where AQ is recruiting poor, uneducated boys to blow themselves up in the name of Allah.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Greta Van Susteran-Press Secretary?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM

For Obama or Hillary?

Entelechy on April 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Entelechy on April 3, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Don’t bother with him…he’s just spreading more Mormon-hate (Hammer Time, AP?) and I guess Greta must be a Mormon (I don’t really know or care, her show still sucks).

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:44 PM

aengus on April 3, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Yo brother, I know we differ(understatement) from time to time, but what’s your take on this guy? I can’t stand the fact that it took him 55 years to figure out that he was pro life, and that he bashed Mav as a liberal. However, If we get Michigan that would be curtains for the commies dems. I’m convinced Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania are ours, but we don’t need to win another tight race. A mandate would give him leverage over a closely divided congress that would actually make blue dogs the new power broker within the body. I think he’s a phony, but people “think” he’s a great businessman, and that may help. Chime in you shamrock lovin, pint sippin’, oyster eatin’, golfin limey, damn’t.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Maquis on April 3, 2008 at 10:38 PM

I know about Josef Smith. There was actually an ancestor of mine who surveyed for him.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM

It’s a Romney related post and you know what that means! The droves of trolling anti-Mormon commenters come out to bash Romney (who isn’t even running for anything) and deliberately misspell his name.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:22 PM

. . . a few minutes later . . .

Maquis on April 3, 2008 at 10:26 PM

If I hadn’t been around for so long, I would call that prophetic malan89.

Troy Rasmussen on April 3, 2008 at 10:46 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I’ll see if I can hunt it up. I did send it to HA the other day.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Political parties shouldn’t be dictating social culture. And what Romney chooses to believe in or not believe in is really not important. He isn’t telling anyone ELSE that they have to believe the same way and my voting for him doesn’t mean I believe the same as he does.

People who get this wrapped up in voting for someone or not because they don’t share the same social values needs their voter registration revoked.

crosspatch on April 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I have a problem with interfaith efforts being attempted by those who do not understand Islam and by who do not understand that many of the Muslims involved in those efforts are not engaging in them for quite the same noble reasons.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I have a problem with interfaith efforts

That’s all fine and dandy, but what are these “interfaith efforts” you’re talking about? Like I said, it sounds a lot like evangelism to me.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:53 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Here is the article.

U.S. Muslims and Mormons share deepening ties

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:53 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Shocking isn’t it? Who knew.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

I am curious if you would expound. Especially in light of the article here, which I believe AP posted in the headlines earlier today.

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM

I think you’ll enjoy this expose on Mitt Romney’s affair with a gay abortionist during his Governorship. I hadn’t seen this before, I now feel completely different about this guy.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Look, I dislike Mitt and the Boyz worse than anyone. However, I refuse to believe that he’s anything less than a good family man and a faithful mormon. Your link may very well be true, I just choose not to believe it. I’ll take the heat if proven wrong. My problems with Mitt are about guts and character, not what get’s him off.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Aww… rick-roll avoided.

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Thank you, that cleared a lot up.

The Mormon Church has become the biggest contributor to Buena Park-based Islamic Relief, touted by its administrators as the West’s largest Muslim-based charity.

This was the first thing to raise a big red flag to me. Far too often we see a lot of these Islamic “charities” send out money to Hamas or some other undesirable group.

“Their beliefs are similar to ours,” Robert Bremmer, a Mormon bishop, said at that facility’s open-mosque day in 2005.

A lot of HA commenters complained about Fitna‘s simplicity…well, Fitna was made for people like this guy.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

its definitely the mormon thing

Drunk Report on April 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Aww… rick-roll avoided.

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Yes, but good to see a talented humorist amongst us.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Aww… rick-roll avoided.

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Trust me, I’ll get him.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Go check their website out and see what you think. Me, it gives me the creeps.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I agree. Even with my disgust with most things Democratic, I voted for the Democrat in my last vote for a Senator–a Senator that GING-PAC promoted. But when Rick Santorum compares homosexuality to bestiality, he has gone beyond the pale of behavior I’m willing to tolerate. I wouldn’t even shake Rick Santorum’s hand.

thuja on April 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM

I’m not sure exactly what you want me to expound upon. Catholicism is in line with our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Islam is not.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

No selective quotations, please…

“Their beliefs are similar to ours,” Robert Bremmer, a Mormon bishop, said at that facility’s open-mosque day in 2005. “They have modest dress, and so do we. They believe in all the [Old Testament] prophets, as do we.”

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Let the morons vote the way they wish. Romney would be good for the ticket and the nation. If they think Obama would make a better President and represent their values better than a McCain/Romney ticket. Let them vote for him or atleast not bitch if he wins.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM

However, If we get Michigan that would be curtains for the commies dems. I’m convinced Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania are ours, but we don’t need to win another tight race. A mandate would give him leverage over a closely divided congress that would actually make blue dogs the new power broker within the body. I think he’s a phony, but people “think” he’s a great businessman, and that may help.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM08 at 10:45 PM

So, you can’t stand him, but you’d like him in office?

Chime in you shamrock lovin, pint sippin’, oyster eatin’, golfin limey, damn’t.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Limeys are the British. It’s how they keep scurvy away. (Well, that and beans on toast.)

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Specifically on how you would address Islam? Something has to be done, whittling on the edges by common cause would seem to be a start…

Thanks for the article, btw.

Spirit of 1776 on April 3, 2008 at 11:08 PM

It’s so hard to read the bigots above and know that it isn’t the Mormons who show false, obnoxious pictures of other religions in their chapels. It isn’t the Mormons who preach on TV, and in their chapels against other churches. One of the reasons Joseph Smith was shot in jail was because of his stand against slavery. If it was up to the ministers like huckabee, we would still have an extermination order against us.
I hope Mitt isn’t asked and if so doesn’t accept the vp position because of people like maquis above. Mormons have never believed in slavery and believe that all people are born equal and are all children of God. The huckster knew exactly what he was doing when he slipped his question in. He knew it would inflame people like maquis and it did.
I would invite any of you to a Mormon service – you will hear nothing political, nothing about other churches, you will see people of all colors – no segregated services – no big black churches, no big white churches, just churches – no screaming and insulting your intelligence.
But as my husband says, what’s the use of reponding?

Bambi on April 3, 2008 at 11:09 PM

No selective quotations, please…

Okay….

They believe in all the [Old Testament] prophets, as do we.”

Yeah, like Jesus, Slave of Allah ™

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Hey aengus, I wrote something to you the other day (at the end), I think after you’d logged off. Best!

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Yes I read that thank you. I was too tired by the time I arrived home (after work and visiting someone in the hospital) to think of anything to say in response. I am not great at learning languages but intend to try (at Greek and my own native language Irish).

One subject I have always found intensely interesting is philology. If you can determine the origin of a word you can better understand its meaning. In defiance of conservative etiquette I’d like to quote a famous socialist, Arthur Scargill: “My father still reads the dictionary every day. He says your life depends on your power to master words.”

I wish you the best of luck with your marriage and children.

aengus on April 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Whittling is good. So far, it’s working. The Islamic scholars are attempting to fight back with their version of reason. The thing that puts us at a disadvantage is a general lack of knowledge on the part of non-Muslim Americans who think Islam is “just” a religion like any other. It is not, so educating others is the key.

Connie on April 3, 2008 at 11:13 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM

No selective quotations, please…

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Good catch, DHC. “Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.”

(Me, my only problems with most Mormons is that they use the Old Testament

too much!

[...said he, while quoting Solomon...])

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:13 PM

aengus on April 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Scargill’s right on that. Exhibit A: Hitchens.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:13 PM

D’oh! Emphasis came out as quote…..

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM

JUST TO CLARIFY:
I have no issues with Mormons at all, I just think this particular guy needs to learn more about the Koran before saying that his beliefs are similar to Islam.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:17 PM

I have no issues with Mormons at all

and that should have been clear to people who were actually reading the thread.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Regardless of what I feel about Rominee, It’s important to know what my fellow Republican’s position is. Remember, the vp spot is actually powerless unless understood. The one reason I like Lindsey Graham for the position, is that I think he’s the 2nd best for the presidency, also, he’s a senate powerhouse who can keep votes intact and he knows how the rules and procedures of congress and how to move legislation expeditiously. Do you want this in Greek?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Oh, that was just wrong. :-)

Slublog on April 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Any Republican who votes against Romney purely because he is a Mormon can go to hell.
And take that hideous piece of crap Huckabee with you.

This election is about political philosophies, not church affiliations…

TexasJew on April 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM

The one reason I like Lindsey Graham for the position, is that I think he’s the 2nd best for the presidency

You want GRAHAMNESTY? WHAT?

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Yeah, that Weyrich, he a Mitt hatah

Was he settling? Yeah. Did he settle for Huck over Mitt? Nope.

daveintexas on April 3, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Oh, that was just wrong. :-)

Slublog on April 3, 2008 at 11:19 PM

I bel air’d the Fred QofD thread too. I didn’t even know the Rick Roll had reached HA until I saw it in the headlines the other day.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:22 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

I don’t believe anyone has accused you of having issues with Mormons. The focus is more on your equating all practitioners of Islam with terrorism.

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:23 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM

I wouldn’t make too much about being the “slave of Allah” until I investigated the original. Personally, I can only guess it’s the root ABD, meaning slave/servant. The Arabic name Abdullah means “slave/servant” of God. It’s the exact same as the Hebrew name Abdeel (Jeremiah 36:26).

In ancient Greek, as well, δοῦλος (ðúlos) means both “slave” and “servant”.

To be an Abdullah/Abdeel is what any good Jew or Christian or Mahometan aspires to be. (On the matter of how to be such, there’s where we see things differently, and I am certainly no friend of Islam.)

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:25 PM

The one reason I like Lindsey Graham for the position, is that I think he’s the 2nd best for the presidency, also, he’s a senate powerhouse who can keep votes intact and he knows how the rules and procedures of congress and how to move legislation expeditiously. Do you want this in Greek?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

No, I’d like it in Spanish, as you’re so fond of a McCain-Graham team.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Regardless of what I feel about Rominee

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Seriously, are you doing that on purpose? And do you pronounce it that way?

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Do you want this in Greek?

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

No, but Miss Lindsay may like it that way..

When was the last time that a sitting not-so-senior congressman ever got a VP slot?
After a zillion years in the Senate and time in the house why do you think that McCain needs someone to tell him what needs to be done in congress -sespecailly a democratic-controlled congress? McCain’s been living at the capital building for decades – that’s probably why he’s is such a screwup.
Besides, “telling the bigots to shut up” destroyed Graham’s acceptability to, well, most Republicans.
Stop pushing that weird little bastard on us, he’s dead meat.

TexasJew on April 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Regardless of what I feel about Rominee…

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Reminds me of “havening” in the Chronicles of George.

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM

I don’t believe anyone has accused you of having issues with Mormons. The focus is more on your equating all practitioners of Islam with terrorism.

When did I say that all Muslims were terrorists? All I’m saying is that the Koran calls on Muslims to kill the infidels. Come a little closer to the screen, I need to tell you something….YOU ARE ONE OF THE INFIDELS!! See Robert Spencer’s Blogging the Qur’an posts for more info on your serious case of infidel.

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Yo brother, I know we differ(understatement) from time to time, but what’s your take on this guy? I can’t stand the fact that it took him 55 years to figure out that he was pro life, and that he bashed Mav as a liberal. However, If we get Michigan that would be curtains for the commies dems. I’m convinced Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania are ours, but we don’t need to win another tight race. A mandate would give him leverage over a closely divided congress that would actually make blue dogs the new power broker within the body. I think he’s a phony, but people “think” he’s a great businessman, and that may help. Chime in you shamrock lovin, pint sippin’, oyster eatin’, golfin limey, damn’t.

THE CHOSEN ONE on April 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Hey TCO,

Yes we disagree a lot but political disagreement was never a major political factor in modern politics until some French socialist cretin from the early 20th century (his name escapes me at the moment) came up with the slogan “The personal is political”. Uh, no it isn’t.

Mitt is what I would call a genuine phony. That is to say that yes he initially arrived at his positions politically (hence the phoniness) and not from reasoned out principles but that since then he has made a firm and explicit commitment to conservative values which I think is (mostly) genuine. He declared a fidelity to conservatism which cannot be retracted. He’s tied his flag to the sails. I believe his conversion to a pro-life position was 100% genuine as I heard him explain it on some long forgotten Hugh Hewitt broadcast and it it caused to me reflect on the issue.

aengus on April 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Look at the first signatory:

Matt Barber
Policy Director
Concerned Women for America

Missing some gonads, Matt?

Yeah… I’m going to take my voting cues from this dope. Who are these people?? Not one name jumped out at me as anyone remotely relevant.

Coulter will rip ‘em all a new one when she sees them dissing Mitt and then Laura Ingraham will pulverize what’s left of ‘em into scraps.

D2Boston on April 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM

I voted for Romney in the early voting primaries here in Florida.

Although he’s less than the ideal conservative candidate whom I like to see representing me in the White House, I think he’s capable of governing, of making tough decisions and of achieving success due to his previous experiences and successes.

I don’t care what the so-called “religious groups” think about him, what matters to me most is:

1 – National Security and defending America from rogue nations,

2 – Securing the Borders,

3 – Winning the War on Islamic Terrorism,

4 – Preserving our Cultural Heritage and Language, and

5 – The Economy.

Other issues are not on the top of my list of priorities.

Indy Conservative on April 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Weyrich’s a scumbag nutter. He was part of the howling cabal that attacked McCain in 2000. My guess is that he doesn’t want Romney associating with McCain?

Weyrich recently launched some big crusade to remove all naked “lady” magazines from military stores too. Hey Weyrich, leave the troops alone.

funky chicken on April 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Mark Sanford is still my fave.

funky chicken on April 3, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Indy Conservative on April 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM

If it’s all right to use the word a second time, I say Amen!

Tzetzes on April 3, 2008 at 11:38 PM

malan89 on April 3, 2008 at 11:30 PM

I am familiar with Mr. Spencer’s work. However, what percentage of Muslims do you think actually feel obligated to kill non-believers? For that matter, what percentage would actually do so if instructed by a religious leader? There is obviously a segment which would and does act in such a manner, but they represent such a small (but admittedly dangerous) portion of the world Muslim population as to be non-representative of the whole.

I believe your contention was that there should be no outreach to any Muslim, radical or not. This is simply not a viable option, given the global nature of Islam. Furthermore, non-radicalized Muslims have been the most effective in neutralizing and limiting their dangerous coreligionists.

Dead Hand Control on April 3, 2008 at 11:41 PM

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