Comments on: WaPo: Did U.S. troops shoot at Iraqi bus? Milblogger who was there: Er, no http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/ The world’s first, full-service conservative Internet broadcast network Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:54:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: fb9c2734b53b http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1126577 fb9c2734b53b Thu, 15 May 2008 14:55:14 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1126577 <strong>fb9c2734b53b...</strong> fb9c2734b53bd431a749... fb9c2734b53b…

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]]> By: logis http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1046411 logis Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:14:01 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1046411 <blockquote>Not to mention tha just one rocket would virtually erase a bus, not cause 16 injries. Much less the supposed machine guns. PJ Emeritus on April 2, 2008 at 1:45 PM</blockquote> I'm not sure from the article: Did Joshua Partlow say that Saad Sarhan said that Naseer Nouri said that Zeki Abdul Qader and Qasim Salih Jubur actually SAW the rocket that hit them? ...Or did Joshua Partlow say that Saad Sarhan said that Naseer Nouri said that Zeki Abdul Qader and Qasim Salih Jubur said that some unnamed Iraqi soldiers just TOLD them that they saw the rocket? 'Cause that's the kind of thing that journalists really need to clarify in their "responsibly authenticated" articles.

Not to mention tha just one rocket would virtually erase a bus, not cause 16 injries. Much less the supposed machine guns.
PJ Emeritus on April 2, 2008 at 1:45 PM

I’m not sure from the article:

Did Joshua Partlow say that Saad Sarhan said that Naseer Nouri said that Zeki Abdul Qader and Qasim Salih Jubur actually SAW the rocket that hit them?

…Or did Joshua Partlow say that Saad Sarhan said that Naseer Nouri said that Zeki Abdul Qader and Qasim Salih Jubur said that some unnamed Iraqi soldiers just TOLD them that they saw the rocket?

‘Cause that’s the kind of thing that journalists really need to clarify in their “responsibly authenticated” articles.

]]> By: PJ Emeritus http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1045580 PJ Emeritus Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:45:06 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1045580 Not to mention tha just one rocket would virtually erase a bus, not cause 16 injries. Much less the supposed machine guns. Not to mention tha just one rocket would virtually erase a bus, not cause 16 injries. Much less the supposed machine guns.

]]> By: logis http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1045432 logis Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:19:39 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1045432 <blockquote>Enjoyed the insight from the soldiers perpective, but I also thought the producer interjected her opinion of what she thought the soldiers were feeling and experiencing and was trying too hard to read between the lines, which then colored and shaped the narrative she wished to present. Just A Grunt on April 2, 2008 at 10:22 AM</blockquote> You have to see this from the liberal airhead's perspective; it's what Ayn Rand called "subjectivism." In the journalist's mind, the soldiers are the window dressing and <em>her</em> thoughts and feelings are what the world vitally needs to hear.

Enjoyed the insight from the soldiers perpective, but I also thought the producer interjected her opinion of what she thought the soldiers were feeling and experiencing and was trying too hard to read between the lines, which then colored and shaped the narrative she wished to present.
Just A Grunt on April 2, 2008 at 10:22 AM

You have to see this from the liberal airhead’s perspective; it’s what Ayn Rand called “subjectivism.” In the journalist’s mind, the soldiers are the window dressing and her thoughts and feelings are what the world vitally needs to hear.

]]> By: Just A Grunt http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1045193 Just A Grunt Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:22:13 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1045193 I watched Bad Voodoo Warriors last night and the entire show was about Toby Nunn and the SPC, Shaw I think was his last name. While it started out even handed showing them getting ready to go once in theater it turned dark and morose. We were treated to Shaw who volunteered to go and then spends the entire time complaining. SFC Nunn is more of a realist and with this being his 3rd deployment you can tell the toll it is taking. What is missing from the program is anything related to showing how the guy relax. There was one scene of a couple of them goofing off in the barracks but the rest of it was looking out the windshield of a HMMV. Convoy security Okay I get it. It is dull, monotonous and terribly stressful at the same time. The producer could have scored some points by raising questions about maybe this type of duty of should be limited and soldiers rotated out every so often. I know the Army doesn't like to change personnel who can do a job unless forced. The working principal being that the folks who are trained and experieced should always do the job. The problem with that is burnout. Anyway I liked the first half hour hated the second half. Enjoyed the insight from the soldiers perpective, but I also thought the producer interjected her opinion of what she thought the soldiers were feeling and experiencing and was trying too hard to read between the lines, which then colored and shaped the narrative she wished to present. Take it or leave it because after all I am...... I watched Bad Voodoo Warriors last night and the entire show was about Toby Nunn and the SPC, Shaw I think was his last name. While it started out even handed showing them getting ready to go once in theater it turned dark and morose. We were treated to Shaw who volunteered to go and then spends the entire time complaining. SFC Nunn is more of a realist and with this being his 3rd deployment you can tell the toll it is taking.
What is missing from the program is anything related to showing how the guy relax. There was one scene of a couple of them goofing off in the barracks but the rest of it was looking out the windshield of a HMMV. Convoy security Okay I get it. It is dull, monotonous and terribly stressful at the same time.
The producer could have scored some points by raising questions about maybe this type of duty of should be limited and soldiers rotated out every so often. I know the Army doesn’t like to change personnel who can do a job unless forced. The working principal being that the folks who are trained and experieced should always do the job. The problem with that is burnout.
Anyway I liked the first half hour hated the second half. Enjoyed the insight from the soldiers perpective, but I also thought the producer interjected her opinion of what she thought the soldiers were feeling and experiencing and was trying too hard to read between the lines, which then colored and shaped the narrative she wished to present.
Take it or leave it because after all I am……

]]> By: LT Nixon http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1045019 LT Nixon Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:45:38 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1045019 The media buys into unvalidated sources so easily in Iraq as long as it suits there cheesy agenda that the troops are baby-killers. This type of journalism is disturbing, and frequently problematic. The media buys into unvalidated sources so easily in Iraq as long as it suits there cheesy agenda that the troops are baby-killers. This type of journalism is disturbing, and frequently problematic.

]]> By: logis http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044976 logis Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:43:03 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044976 <blockquote>Is this the bus attack in question? FierceGuppy on April 2, 2008 at 3:43 AM FierceGuppy on April 2, 2008 at 3:45 AM</blockquote> 1. That video was posted in July 2006, and 2. You're a retard. Otherwise though, those were two very good questions.

Is this the bus attack in question?
FierceGuppy on April 2, 2008 at 3:43 AM
FierceGuppy on April 2, 2008 at 3:45 AM

1. That video was posted in July 2006, and

2. You’re a retard.

Otherwise though, those were two very good questions.

]]> By: FierceGuppy http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044973 FierceGuppy Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:45:11 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044973 Is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_TZeDMwPDY" rel="nofollow">this</a> the bus attack in question? Yes, troops shot at the bus. You can hear some of them holler "Cease fire!" "...They're f*cking unarmed!" The attack was a horrible mistake. Is this the bus attack in question? Yes, troops shot at the bus. You can hear some of them holler “Cease fire!” “…They’re f*cking unarmed!” The attack was a horrible mistake.

]]> By: FierceGuppy http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044972 FierceGuppy Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:43:50 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044972 Is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_TZeDMwPDY" rel="nofollow">this</a> the bus attack in question? Yes, troops shot at the bus. You can hear some of them holler "Cease fire!" "[...]They're f*cking unarmed!" The attack was a horrible mistake. Is this the bus attack in question? Yes, troops shot at the bus. You can hear some of them holler “Cease fire!” “[...]They’re f*cking unarmed!” The attack was a horrible mistake.

]]> By: Johan Klaus http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044948 Johan Klaus Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:34:09 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044948 4shoes on April 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM I'll second that. 4shoes on April 1, 2008 at 9:43 PM

I’ll second that.

]]> By: Tony737 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044946 Tony737 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:29:29 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044946 <em>And of course, the lawyers that run the Canadian military somehow ended up running his whole crew out of the army. Someone accused them of “desecrating an enemy corpse”, and they got the runaround. Pathetic.</em> - Jaibones Yeah, it's sad, isn't it? Mutilating a body? They were shooting a .50 cal for cryin' out loud! You can't mutilate a body any more than that! But the good news is that the charges were dropped and the five men on the team were all awarded the Bronze Star by the U.S. Army. Good shootin', eh? And of course, the lawyers that run the Canadian military somehow ended up running his whole crew out of the army. Someone accused them of “desecrating an enemy corpse”, and they got the runaround. Pathetic. – Jaibones

Yeah, it’s sad, isn’t it? Mutilating a body? They were shooting a .50 cal for cryin’ out loud! You can’t mutilate a body any more than that!

But the good news is that the charges were dropped and the five men on the team were all awarded the Bronze Star by the U.S. Army.

Good shootin’, eh?

]]> By: Tony737 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044942 Tony737 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:16:15 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044942 <em>Hathcock did it old school, with out lasers and high tech gadjets.</em> - Alden I wasn't taking anything away from Hathcock, the man's a legend, but don't fault Furlong for having newer stuff, that'd be like saying 'Hathcock only beat Robin Hood cause the bow and arrow's outdated.' Hathcock did it old school, with out lasers and high tech gadjets. – Alden

I wasn’t taking anything away from Hathcock, the man’s a legend, but don’t fault Furlong for having newer stuff, that’d be like saying ‘Hathcock only beat Robin Hood cause the bow and arrow’s outdated.’

]]> By: Johan Klaus http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044915 Johan Klaus Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:38:27 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044915 One shot one kill. One shot one kill.

]]> By: Jaibones http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044858 Jaibones Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:48:38 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044858 <blockquote>By the way, congrats to Canadian Army Corpral Rob Furlong... Tony737 on April 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM</blockquote> And of course, the lawyers that run the Canadian military somehow ended up running his whole crew out of the army. Someone accused them of "desecrating an enemy corpse", and they got the runaround. Pathetic. Seems like you'd want to keep a guy that can take out the enemy from a mile and a half away. What a shooter.

By the way, congrats to Canadian Army Corpral Rob Furlong…

Tony737 on April 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

And of course, the lawyers that run the Canadian military somehow ended up running his whole crew out of the army. Someone accused them of “desecrating an enemy corpse”, and they got the runaround. Pathetic. Seems like you’d want to keep a guy that can take out the enemy from a mile and a half away.

What a shooter.

]]> By: Tony737 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044847 Tony737 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:38:10 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044847 <em>Thats a H!ll of a shot, was that by the .50 cal.sniper Rifle?</em> - CanOp Correct sir, no other size rifle could have made that shot. He hit a Taliban mortar spotter. 72 virgins comin' right up! Thats a H!ll of a shot, was that by the .50 cal.sniper Rifle? – CanOp

Correct sir, no other size rifle could have made that shot. He hit a Taliban mortar spotter. 72 virgins comin’ right up!

]]> By: canopfor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044806 canopfor Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:03:45 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044806 I watched Voodoo,and its good,a soldiers perspective. PBS will have another installment down the road! Maybe I need to be enlightened,but wheres the armour and air support,and yes I know its not a combat situation! I watched Voodoo,and its good,a soldiers perspective.
PBS will have another installment down the road!

Maybe I need to be enlightened,but wheres the armour
and air support,and yes I know its not a combat situation!

]]> By: funky chicken http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044722 funky chicken Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:12:31 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044722 Hey, has anybody seen Jenjiss? Jenjiss Con? I could swear he was just around. Sorry, my mistake. Hey, has anybody seen Jenjiss? Jenjiss Con? I could swear he was just around. Sorry, my mistake.

]]> By: canopfor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044692 canopfor Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:57:18 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044692 Has anyone previewed this thing? Django on April 1,2008 at 9:45PM. Django:I haven't seen it,but you should be able to tell within minutes,no! Has anyone previewed this thing?
Django on April 1,2008 at 9:45PM.

Django:I haven’t seen it,but you should be able to tell
within minutes,no!

]]> By: Alden Pyle http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044686 Alden Pyle Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:53:20 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044686 <blockquote>By the way, congrats to Canadian Army Corpral Rob Furlong, a sniper who killed a Talib in Afghanistan from over 2,300 meters, beating the long held record set by U.S. Marine Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam war. Tony737 on April 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM</blockquote> Hathcock did it old school, with out lasers and high tech gadjets. Pure instinct.

By the way, congrats to Canadian Army Corpral Rob Furlong, a sniper who killed a Talib in Afghanistan from over 2,300 meters, beating the long held record set by U.S. Marine Carlos Hathcock during the Vietnam war.

Tony737 on April 1, 2008 at 8:39 PM

Hathcock did it old school, with out lasers and high tech gadjets. Pure instinct.

]]> By: Django http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044673 Django Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:45:39 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044673 <blockquote>Speaking of Toby Nunn, be sure to catch BAD VOODOO’S WAR tonight at 9 EDT on PBS’ Frontline. Michael in MI on April 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM</blockquote> Has anyone previewed this thing? I mean, a <em>positive</em> portrayal of our troops on <em>Frontline</em>?!? I'm sorry but I find that hard to believe. The hard left scum that are PBS and Frontline are not to be trusted.

Speaking of Toby Nunn, be sure to catch BAD VOODOO’S WAR tonight at 9 EDT on PBS’ Frontline.

Michael in MI on April 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Has anyone previewed this thing? I mean, a positive portrayal of our troops on Frontline?!? I’m sorry but I find that hard to believe. The hard left scum that are PBS and Frontline are not to be trusted.

]]> By: 4shoes http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044669 4shoes Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:43:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044669 I am so glad (and thankful) we have bloggers willing to go and risk their lives to give us the real stories. My husband always gives me a hard time about not reading any major newspapers, he says I'm living in a bubble. I'd rather be in this blogger bubble than the MSM bubble any day! I am so glad (and thankful) we have bloggers willing to go and risk their lives to give us the real stories. My husband always gives me a hard time about not reading any major newspapers, he says I’m living in a bubble. I’d rather be in this blogger bubble than the MSM bubble any day!

]]> By: fogw http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044657 fogw Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:31:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044657 <blockquote>But the driver, <strong>Zeki Abdul Qader</strong>, and a passenger, <strong>Qasim Salih Jubur</strong>, said they believed the U.S. soldiers opened fire on the bus ...</blockquote> Not buying it. <blockquote>[<strong>Saad]Sarhan</strong> reported from Najaf. Special correspondent <strong>Naseer Nouri</strong> in Baghdad contributed to this report.</blockquote> Your joking, right? <blockquote>"We absolutely did not fire on the bus," said <strong>Maj. Brad Leighton</strong>, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad. "Absolutely not." </blockquote> There ya go!

But the driver, Zeki Abdul Qader, and a passenger, Qasim Salih Jubur, said they believed the U.S. soldiers opened fire on the bus …

Not buying it.

[Saad]Sarhan reported from Najaf. Special correspondent Naseer Nouri in Baghdad contributed to this report.

Your joking, right?

“We absolutely did not fire on the bus,” said Maj. Brad Leighton, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad. “Absolutely not.”

There ya go!

]]> By: BL@KBIRD http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044628 BL@KBIRD Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:12:16 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044628 Still willing to grace Muslim words as truth? Still willing to grace Muslim words as truth?

]]> By: canopfor http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044605 canopfor Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:59:17 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044605 Correction,VOODOOS on PBS,at 10:00PM tonight! Correction,VOODOOS on PBS,at 10:00PM tonight!

]]> By: dmann http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/comment-page-1/#comment-1044594 dmann Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:56:00 +0000 http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/wapo-did-us-troops-shoot-at-iraqi-bus-milblogger-who-was-there-er-no/#comment-1044594 We deserve death! Bring the troops home, disarm and die! We deserve death! Bring the troops home, disarm and die!

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