McCain: Obama doesn’t understand “the fundamental elements of national security and warfare”
posted at 1:37 pm on April 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A vigorous parry of yesterday’s dishonest distortion of his “100 years in Iraq” comment by Obama that’s harsher and more dismissive than it should be. It’ll play with the base and with our readers, but I hasten to remind you that the brightening in the polls of late about Iraq does not extend to the question of whether the war was the right or wrong decision. On the contrary, public sentiment on that point has actually soured slightly over the past year. Telling Obama he doesn’t know jack about war when most of the electorate now shares his early skepticism is, perhaps, a bit more Straight Talk than the hawk of hawks should permit himself. But I know I’ll be ripped to shreds for suggesting as much, so flame away.
Exit question: When are we going to bring our boys home from Kuwait? Or is Obama cool with the “100 year” plan for that country, like he is with Japan, Germany, South Korea, etc.? Click the image to watch.
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the Dems have made Iraq a Wedge issue, or attempting to anyway. It’s downright despicable but they know they can get away with it as long as they have their friends in the media.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 1:41 PM
I’m starving
mythicknight on April 1, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Don’t forget Bosnia, Korea, Okinawa etc…..
upinak on April 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM
RACIST!
Enrique on April 1, 2008 at 1:44 PM
I’ll respectfully disagree.
The judgment extends beyond Iraq, though. If we needed to enter a war quickly (for example, Afghanistan after 9/11), how much of the nation would really want Obama in charge over McCain? We already know most want McCain answering the phone at 3AM.
amerpundit on April 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Allah, you’re a youngster, right? One of the huge problems that plagued Dole in 1996 was that he was muzzled by his campaign staff. Dole is another guy like McCain who has a wicked sense of humor and can come across as “mean.” It was the height of Clintonian popularity, so Dole’s handlers were terrified to let him be himself.
I’m pleased to see McCain being sharp and dismissive and sarcastic here. It’s harder for the dems to scream MEAN at him when the Wright videos are out there, and the Meeks stuff is just waiting to get coverage.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM
how many that question the war though are firm in that stance? and how many are waffeling only over public opinion and the all out misinformation campaign?
jp on April 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
On a more serious note, McCain should NEVER attempt to defend the original invasion of Iraq.
In fact, every time McCain talks about Iraq, he should say “Now obviously, knowing what we know now, that Saddam didn’t have stockpiles of WMD, and that Saddam didn’t have operational ties to any terrorist group capable of attacking America, we should never have invaded Iraq in 2003. That being said, we can’t go back in time and un-invade Iraq. Because we did invade Iraq (wrongly), we now bear a moral responsibility to ensure Iraq’s security for the benefit of all non-militia affiliated Iraqis. We cannot abandon Iraq until it is stable. We made a mistake by invading, and we have to fix that mistake by protecting Iraqi civilians until such time as the Iraqi Army is able to protect them in a responsible manner.”
Or something like that.
Enrique on April 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
What do you think the odds are that Obama would send troops unilaterally into Darfur are?
I doubt he knows him, but Obama has a half brother in Kenya I beleive that is a leader of a militant islamist group. or so I read.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Agree – McCain needs to shove Obama outside of his comfort zone and hammer him on his complete lack of substance.
Not just Dole though. President Bush would have fared better if he fired back at all the Democrats lying and slandering him daily. Democrat lies are now what passes for conventional wisdom.
The media will treat any questioning of Obama’s qualifications as “mean-spirited”. Ignore them.
No one trust the MSM any longer, anyway, besides those who are solidly in the Obama-nation.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Enrique on April 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Or he could say half of that then throw in the proven operational links to Al-Qaeda that have come out.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Cant we just build a fence around obama, hillary, murtha, reid, pelosi, and kennedy and the mexican fence? That would fix alot of problems.
SoCalInfidel on April 1, 2008 at 1:55 PM
McCain isn’t saying anything about the original decision to go to war in this clip.
The_Freeze on April 1, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Bring our troops back from Kuwait? Are you kidding? Bring ‘em back from Florida!
Seriously, McCain shouldn’t get bogged down in a battle of who has the best hindsight. In 2003, every intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had WMD. Sadam WANTED everyone in the world to think he had them. WMDs are a political weapon, and Saddam proved that you don’t actually have to have them to make everyone afraid that you do. That was justification enough to bring him down…. along with several other excellent reasons.
Beyond that, we did find hundreds of chemical weapons in Iraq. This has been documented in testimony to Congress. They just weren’t in one big stockpile; they were distributed to every army unit in the country for operational use.
NeighborhoodCatLady on April 1, 2008 at 2:01 PM
Or that Saddam was clearly in violation of UN Resolution 1441 by refusing to cooperate fully with weapons inspectors. Further, before his execution, Saddam admitted that he did this intenionally because he wanted to convey the appearance of strength to Iran.
BohicaTwentyTwo on April 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Early skepticism about what? War in general? War in Iraq? National security?
McCain is right- you could see in that presser yesterday with Obama talking about keeping embassy forces in Iraq the way we have them in France and Great Britain, and the way we have forces protecting our civilians in other countries- Obama doesn’t know anything about the military, national security, or possibly even the number and purpose of the few Marines in Embassies.
But again, I don’t understand to what you refer with your ‘early skepticism’. Americans may not like the war in Iraq, but they don’t want a CinC that doesn’t know what he’s doing. That’s what Americans think caused the problems with Iraq in the first place, right?
MayBee on April 1, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I worry about the debates between Baraka Obama and John McCain. I mean, have you seen Baraka lately?
Nethicus on April 1, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Far be it from me to disappoint, bro, or should I say “Eeyore”? Yessiree, it’s Bad Allah to the rescue to save a dark lining of doubt from that mean old Silver Cloud of Maverickness.
Dissing the worthless NancyBoy Obambi should be a fun, happy thing, no?
Jaibones on April 1, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Allah: I don’t disagree with what you wrote, but since you wore your heart on your sleeve, rolled over and surrendered anyhow and asked to be flamed, so be it:
You miserable Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Leftist Democratic Traitor Nutbag, I’d expect nothing different from you!
How’d you like that, pretty good, huh?
I agree with your post though…
Dale in Atlanta on April 1, 2008 at 2:10 PM
No, but a I saw a little girl in a wheelchair with Downs Syndrome that bowled a better game than him. Does that count?
Jaibones on April 1, 2008 at 2:10 PM
The reporter who asked B.O. the question dropped the ball on that. B.O. dodged by quibbling about where he would keep them… “in the region.” The reporter should have come right back with… “okay how long will you keep them in the region?” After all, that was the crux of the matter. Or… better yet, they should ask him how long he’ll keep troops in Afganistan — the “real” war as he calls it.
Spolitics on April 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM
And nothing says Strength like a fat, cowering old man with a hood over his head, bouncing off the end of a rope while people spit at him.
Jaibones on April 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I see your point, AP. McCain just opened up another opportunity for Obama to take him to task on his support of the war, which most Americans agree with Obama on this issue.
terryannonline on April 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM
Torture, McCain is torturing Obama. He will label him as a nice guy, with little foreign experience. A young kid with very little knowledge of the world outside the states.
Every time Obama opens his mouth about foreign affairs, his inexperience shows. McCain will calmly explain to the country, and explain to Obama, what he should already know.
The question will begin to be asked “Does Obama know anything about foreign affairs?”
right2bright on April 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM
And does McCain?
There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.
- Sun Tzu
One must be as a lion to frighten off wolves, but as a fox to recognize traps.
- Niccolo Machiavelli
Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing. When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 5 star General and 34th President of the United States of America.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Sun Tzu wasn’t dealing with Al Qaeda and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
amerpundit on April 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Obama does not understand patriotism and national pride. Period. Look at what he allowed to happen at his latest rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJUckSJZ3k
At least McCain would’ve corrected this scumbag on the spot for waving our flag upside down.
El Guapo on April 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Actually, I thought it was a measured, fair, and firm response.
irishspy on April 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Hmmm, and yet extended occupations and putting troops on Allies soil has been effective.
Matter of perspective and how you frame the debate…
Romeo13 on April 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM
MB4
Hitler blatantly did not reason his aggression as “preventive”. It was pure ideology of superiority. HUGE difference. Please don’t try to re-write history.
El Guapo on April 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM
That is why you want to marshall all your forces and achieve a swift victory instead of taking it on the cheap and dragging it out for years. McCain was/is in the camp that says more forces should have been deployed from the war’s beginning.
Yea, and Eisenhower got us into Vietnam to prevent the Domino Effect. You can say Vietnam was never a threat to the US…
SPCOlympics on April 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM
It was Dwight Eisenhower. Regardless, none of the people MB4 quoted were dealing with Al Qaeda and Mahmoud of Iran. These people don’t care if they all die, as long as they can wipe Israel/America off the map in the process.
Different type of war.
amerpundit on April 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM
right2bright: I agree. Obama is knowingly lying about McCain’s intent; it was a great move to take Obama’s comments at face value and turn them into a negative for Obama. If Obama persists in his lie, it just gives McCain more opportunities to point out that O has no understanding of even the fundamentals of national security.
As for “too much straight talk”, at least it’s a refreshing contrast to the well-documented mendacities of the 2 Democratic contenders.
obladioblada on April 1, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Mav pwned Barry on that one.
D2Boston on April 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Obama can’t answer a question unless he is reading off a teleprompter. McCain is getting much better at answering questions from the media.
ctmom on April 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Don’t you mean preemptive war?
terryannonline on April 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Holy shit. And nobody in the crowd around that person stopped them, and no Obama advisor had a problem with that?
My husband would have, er, removed that flag from that person with prejudice. I guess it’s because he’s a psycho military guy though.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I didn’t find this very insulting at all. He said it in a matter of fact manner… which it is. Oh, I’m sure the Messiah will sit down with his helpers and craft some witty, teleprompter-aided response, that the MSM will declare to be brilliant. Get used to it.
Sugar Land on April 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM
McCain makes some great points and I’m glad he is taking the fight right into Obama’s face.
A strike force? Does he mean? Is that air-power, does he mean special forces, does he mean the ACLU?
People, this former civil rights attorney is openly stating that if he becomes the next President of the United States, he means to cripple our nuclear capabilities, kill vital weapons programs and surrender in Iraq. I beg you America, please do not let this man near helm of this nation for all of us and our children will pay dearly.
Claypigeon on April 1, 2008 at 2:35 PM
“Obama can’t answer a question unless he is reading off a teleprompter.”
Because he has ZERO experience beyond attending law school and running for President.
The moment he hit the Senate he started running for President.
He’s done nothing of note in the Senate except cast votes on party lines and now he wants to be President?
This guy will be in shreds by the end of the campaign. The only reason Hillary couldn’t hit him with it is because she’s an inexperienced neophyte as well.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 2:38 PM
MB4,
The Six Day War was a preventative war and it has completely reshaped the Middle East and changed the perspective of the world as to what the Israelis were capable of.
Osirak Reactor in 1981 was also a preventative step that stopped Saddam from getting Nuclear weapons
Syria last year prevented the Syrians from doing something shady to Israel.
Preventative actions all.
mjk on April 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Well McCain is not dealing with a full deck!
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 2:45 PM
The Revolutionary War was a protracted war, and I guess it worked out just fine for this country!
TexasJew on April 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Rush has been talking about this.
Barack Hussein is acting like a debater in a high school, trying to make snarky comments in hopes of gaining points, overlooking the fact that his words as a candidate speak to the rest of the world, and are only confirming what bin Laden said about us, namely that we are a paper tiger
ToddonCapeCod on April 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
But Ron Paul was.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM
A recent survey of active and retired military officers asked the question, “What country has benefited the most from the American occupation of Iraq?”
1) Iran 37%.
2) China 21%
3) America 20%.
And that was before little Mahmoud’s kissy-kissy trip to Iraq.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Obama’s no-nothing, defeatist attitude about national security is exactly why the liberals love him.
Halley on April 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
I think that both may be drawing to an inside straight.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Obama is at least as knowledgeable on Miltary matters as McCain is on economic and climatological ones. After all, Barry got a real GI Joe from his evil honkie granny for his 9th birthday, while dimwit McCain, as an adult, went with Nancy Pelosi and looked at melting glaciers up in Greenland in late July and started crying about Global Warming and drowning Polar Bears.
McCain better get Romney on board; he needs someone with some kind of respectable IQ to run with him… to “balance” the ticket.
TexasJew on April 1, 2008 at 2:53 PM
“A recent survey of active and retired military officers asked the question, “What country has benefited the most from the American occupation of Iraq?”
1) Iran 37%.
2) China 21%
3) America 20%.”
Untrue.
For one thing, it’s not an “occupation”. We are there at the request of the duly elected Iraqi government. Left wings lies about an “occupation” do not make your argument.
Since the entire premise of your “survey” here is a complete fraud, I would bet the results are as well. Do you have a link? And what military are they from, the Obama-Nation/
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Obama is at least as knowledgeable on Miltary matters as McCain is on economic and climatological ones
That may be true. But the POTUS has to work with Congress on domestic issues. On foreign policy and as CinC, POTUS is the top guy. If Obama commands that we pull everyone out of Iraq except 12 marines to guard our embassy, that’s what we do.
MayBee on April 1, 2008 at 3:01 PM
We ARE at WAR. Obama and Clinton do not have a clue.
The Maverick has a clue.
Over simplified but to the point and TRUE.
old trooper on April 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Yeah, but how much power does the President actually have over the economy compared to his constitutional granted powers as Commander -in-Chief?
terryannonline on April 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
I don’t agree. Unless we can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Saddam had Osama bin Laden in his cell phone address book, McCain should never ever talk about links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. It’s not an argument that can be won.
McCain should also never bring up the UN resolutions that Saddam violated, because it risks giving the UN credibility.
There’s simply no credible argument in 2008 that it was a good idea to invade Iraq in 2003. McCain should stick to arguing that we have a current obligation to Iraq.
Enrique on April 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
the “preventive war” thing has an implication that is dangerous politically. that Saddam/Iraq was innoncent and had done no wrongs to us…when in fact they had committed multiple Acts of War against the US for over a Decade leading up to resuming the First Gulf War in which Saddam signed a Cease Fire Agreement to remain in power then resumed to violate said agreement over and over, each time being a case to resume hostilities.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM
It is an occupation. Our troops are in fact very occupied. You can call it a banana if you want. It is what it is.
These are military offices who were surveyed.
And what “premise” would that be? I may still be able to find a link, but why bother if you are going to say such things about American military officers?
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM
What exactly is it that Obama knows really well? It’s quite evident he doesn’t know how the military works nor how to use the existing forces to fight the current war or use them as a credible threat to prevent the next one.
And after his interview with Maria Bartiromo, it’s also clear he doesn’t understand the dynamics and complexities of the economy.
SPCOlympics on April 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
“It is an occupation. Our troops are in fact very occupied.”
My mind reels at the very depths of stupidity of that statement. You guys must go to extensive training classes to learn how to be this inane, I refuse to believe that it comes to you naturally.
“These are military offices who were surveyed.”
“Are”, “Were”? Agreement? Never mind.
Anyway, where is your link? Or are we supposed to take your word for it, Poindexter?
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM
MB4,
“There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.
- Sun Tzu”
Not necessarily true. The alternative to not fighting a protracted war needs to be considered. Did the Allies benefit from fighting WWII? Absolutely, when you consider what the outcome of not fighting it would have been.
Time will tell if we benefit from the Iraq “war” – considering the level of activity it is certainly debatable if it can really be considered a “war” at this point.
exhelodrvr on April 1, 2008 at 3:17 PM
we aren’t an “occupying force” in Iraq…or Germany, Japan, Kuwait, South Korea, etc. In each case the host govt. have asked us to stay and we have agreed.
an occuplying force would be like the British here before we went to war with them. Or Nazi Germany in Poland…i.e. not invited.
what we are is a policing force, doing the “marshall plan” part of the war and keeping strong men in the area(Iran) from moving in and taking over in our abscence.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Obama has Brzenski working for him on Foreign Policy…by no means is he ‘as knowledgeable’ as McCain and his team.
jp on April 1, 2008 at 3:19 PM
How many times has McCain spoken publicly and gotten the country wrong or the leader wrong or the faction wrong? When you mess up the facts this often, it gets to the point where you should be labeled an idiot, or at least someone who doesn’t have his shite together. Talk about getting a free pass from the media.
Dave Rywall on April 1, 2008 at 3:19 PM
Our “protracted” war has been on-going at least since the 1970’s when Iran’s “revolutionaries” declared war on the U.S., stormed our embassy, and took hostages that were held for more than a year. We had a liberal Dem POTUS then, too, who exercised “retraint” and attempted diplomacy instead of taking a classical response to an act of war. (Embassies are sovereign territory.) How many lives would have been saved had we defended our citizens, property, and sovereign rights then? Why should we elect another, very similar, Dem POTUS 30 years later?
Insanity: Repeating the same steps or actions while expecting a different result.
Perfesser on April 1, 2008 at 3:21 PM
The
DemsHillary better hurry up and get those superduper delegates in line before the Obama train comes to a screeching halt.If Obama is the nominee I am so looking forward to November.
roux on April 1, 2008 at 3:21 PM
and his FP advisor? Brzenski…Obama’s boy
jp on April 1, 2008 at 3:23 PM
jp – exaaactly! Touche.
Perfesser on April 1, 2008 at 3:24 PM
This is ridiculous.
Have you ever been a part of an occupying force MB4? I have. In Berlin.
baldilocks on April 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM
The “media” has given little coverage to McCain compared to Obama and Hillary, which I’m extremely grateful for. I prefer to search for information on my own.
terryannonline on April 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM
thank you. Yeah, Obama’s got Zbig and McPeak to advise him on foreign and military matters. That’s all I need to know.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 3:26 PM
The other reason it’s good for McCain to keep pushing Obama on this– eventually (I think) Obama is going to have to say out loud that he really isn’t going to pull the troops out as quickly or as thoroughly as he’s pretending he will. That will not necessarily win McCain any votes, but it will lose Obama the Code Pink/General Betrayus crowd.
MayBee on April 1, 2008 at 3:35 PM
“McPeak”
What a joke that guy was.
Biggest accomplishment in the Air Farce was making the officers all buy uniforms that made them look like United Airlines pilots, with the rank on the sleeve (Navy style).
Soon as McPeak retired, the Air Force so much admired his contribution, they immediately changed the uniforms right back to what they looked like before that stupid decision of his.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 3:38 PM
And after his interview with Maria Bartiromo, it’s also clear he doesn’t understand the dynamics and complexities of the economy.
SPCOlympics on April 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
I also watched that exercise in rank stupidity and then lit a candle for my nation for having such a sleazy witless pinhead that close to the Presidency
But at least he didn’t call Ms. Bartiromo a “damn garlic nose”, like his blessed spiritual mentor said concerning other Italian-Americans.
Of course, if he did, Barry could have suddenly become a Betty..
And that’s a change I would support..
TexasJew on April 1, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Well one guy doesn’t want to call Iraq an “occupation” and now you don’t want to call it a “war” and then of course there was that other guy, what’s his name, who didn’t want to call “oral sex”, “sex” and then there was Alfred Kahn in the Carter administration who after being ordered not to use the word “recession”, substituted the word “banana”, that is until a banana company complained and then Kahn switched to “kumquat”.
Shall we just go with Iraq is a kumquat?
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM
That would be me. Because it’s not.
And this would be you, yet avoiding the posting of any link to that likely phony survey you referenced earlier.
Hint: Daily Kos is not a reliable source on anything.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Care to post a few links there buddy?
This isn’t the dailykos, we actually expect you to back up your assertions with facts.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I dunno.
Would RVN 1971-1972 have been an occupying force or a kumquat?
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 3:50 PM
ArmyAunt, you still have that McCain site? I’m gonna send a few shekels his way this week…..
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
“Our troops are occupied so it is an occupation”
Ergo, when they help out in New Orleans or at a tornado site are they also occupying that area too?
Your analogy is simply stupid.
Baldilocks….THANK YOU!
Men like you are what makes this country great.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Funky, thank you! Here you go:
http://armyaunt.johnmccain.com/
You will be my first…blush….
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM
It was a “police action” wasn’t it, MB4?
Was Okinawa an occupation? I mean, the Marines were quite busy there as well.
Bush should have followed the MacArthur example in Iraq instead of trying to do nation building before the enemy on the ground was defeated. That is old news and an old mistake. We can run out of there and have Iraq go to shit, or we can stay and try to work toward a decent outcome.
Those are the only two choices.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM
ArmyAunt LOL well, I’m a mil spouse, so it won’t be a big contribution LOL but it’s something.
I’ll get to it tonite or tomorrow.
funky chicken on April 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM
You said before that it was a “complete fraud”. Now you say that it is “likely phony”. At that rate and direction you should be saying that it came from God Himself soon.
Hint: it is not from Daily Kos.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Hey funk, it’s kinda hard to have a battle of wits when your opponent is unarmed.
I have rarely seen a more idiotic comment than
“It is an occupation. Our troops are in fact very occupied.”
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM
I have to tell you that I so admire your husband/wife (not sure if you are a girl or guy lol).
Please tell him thank you from my family.
I am raising my daughter to understand the sacrifice that so many are making for out country, partly on her behalf.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I’ll just call it a kumkwat. Is your Google button disabled?
Perhaps if you would actually post a link to this vaunted “survey”, I could take a position on it.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM
THANK YOU FOR SERVING!
Perfesser on April 1, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Please pass along a heartfelt “THANK YOU!” to your spouse. Our family appreciates the sacrifices and efforts you and your spouse are making. We’ll keep you in our prayers.
Perfesser on April 1, 2008 at 4:06 PM
MB please post a link.
Thanks.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 4:09 PM
RVN? I didn’t see very many police there. Maybe I was in the wrong place. I think that I did see some bananas though. I think it was the Korean war that they euphemistically called a police action.
If you think that after more than five years of our being there, if we leave, which would probably take at least a year more after Bush leaves office in another 10 months, it will just go to $hit? Doesn’t sound like you think that we have accomplished much in the five years then, but you want us to stay, what 5 more years?, 50 more, make it a hundred? Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.
There are never only two choices. That is called binary thinking.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 4:10 PM
OK, but NoDonkey doesn’t need to look at it as he has already made up his mind, although there may be a couple of items in it that he would have liked.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM
“Doesn’t sound like you think that we have accomplished much in the five years”
What that says is that we have NO confidence that the Democrats will not deliberately sabotage the mission just to score political points.
Democrats have done everything possible to give aid, comfort and propaganda victories to the jihadists in Iraq, why would you think we would think that the Democrats would want Iraq to be a success?
Of course they do not. Democrats WANT Iraq to be a disaster. If they don’t, they sure have been unsuccessful in getting that point across.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 4:24 PM
US military severely strained, officers say
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 4:25 PM
This isn’t at all the survey you cited earlier.
How about admitting that the survey you posted, was falsified?
Nice try at changing the subject.
If you actually read this survey, it substantially validates the points McCain has been making about Iraq all along.
9 out of 10 of these officers believe the surge has been a success and that Petraeus’ strategy will lead to success.
Has B. Hussein O. read this yet?
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Lord, it must be depressing to think that basically half of your fellow Americans are traitors.
BTW, in spite of some of their talk, congress has continued to fully fund the kumquat in Iraq, even all the supplementals.
MB4 on April 1, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Sounds about right.
I think it’s McCain who doesn’t understand “the fundamental elements of national security, what with open borders and all.”
jaime on April 1, 2008 at 4:32 PM
There are only a few hundred gutless traitor Democrat politicians, fortunately.
The people that voted them in are merely ignorant, not traitors.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Nodonk I think this is what he was referring to.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Neither. An ‘army of occupation’ is a specific concept.
baldilocks on April 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Looks like you were taking in by this phony survey.
Oh goody, another 100 foot wall and machine gun nest border zealot. Pitchfork Pat’s not running this year, you might be able to find him under the table at some Irish dive bar though.
NoDonkey on April 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Jaime have you actually seen and heard Obama talking about this?
I have and he hesitates, ummms and uhhhhs and looks as if he is completely making up what he is saying.
The guy is a moron without a teleprompter.
ArmyAunt on April 1, 2008 at 4:36 PM
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