baldilocks on March 31, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Good afternoon. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

This began when you said people might be surprised at your conclusion. I said “maybe not” but that ‘we might never know if you don’t spell it out for us’.I had read your blog at that point and had read your argument, and didn’t disagree with it (I don’t think there’s a wrong or right answer as to whether it was innocent or intentionally deceptive as we can’t really know for sure).

However, you had stated that you helped with info for the WaPo story and mentioned your father, but didn’t add at the time that you reached a slightly different conclusion. Not everyone is going to click on your name and read your blog for the answer, and it’s a complicated story. That’s why I suggested it might require you to spell it out for us – here. I thought I understood you, but I also wasn’t sure if there was something else I was missing.

You said you didn’t ‘mean to be harsh’, but didn’t want to repeat information already given, but unless I missed something you did not give that information here at this blog.

In my 10:05, I don’t argue with you. I said that it was a confusing story, but reiterated my point that I find the anti-communist angle that Obama is trying to peddle more important than the date of the airlift.

(I have said all along that the TUCofC is a Marxist church, and that Dr, Cone is a Marxist, and BLT “theology” is Marxist ideology, and we know that Frank Davis was an early mentor, so the idea that Obama cared so much about fighting Communism in the ’60’s is snort worthy.)

You take issue with me because you say that the post I brought up at 10:05 was ‘from a year ago’, but it was update II to a thread by AP dated March 26, 2008 from a comment you made on the same day. What is wrong with my pointing to that update as evidence that it’s a confusing tale, and how is that year old information?

Moreover, on the one hand you said:

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

But Ed did talk about the different sorties, and Kennedy foundation funding in this thread, and thus I said “I didn’t get that”. Indeed, you yourself said:

Today’s post by Ed–the one we’re in now–however, zeros in on the fact that there were many different flights–sorties–for the airlift. [et cetera]
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

How am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what Ed got from you and what he got elsewhere, particularly if he says something and doesn’t quote you?

Huh? What are you talking about? Please go back and read your comment at 10:32PM today. You said “I’m not getting that from this…” meaning my two statements didn’t match. (Or that’s what I thought you meant.)

I’m just telling you why they don’t–the second excerpt was from last year (it links to a post that has the date at top). I have received new information since then. That’s why you’re not getting the same thing from the two statements.

I thought that’s what you wanted to know.

If you helped Dobbs but thought some of the conclusions were incorrect, why didn’t you say so at the time?

You’re making unwarranted assumptions–about the type of help and that we discussed conclusions.

That conclusion on my part stands no matter what airlifts happened when, or under whose largesse.

Okay. I’ve been talking about Obama’s communism for a while now too. You seem to think that I’m somehow disagreeing with you. All I’m doing is attempting to answer your questions.

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

Where did he say that?

From last week’s post (linked at the top):

That’s not the only bit of fabulism here. Obama’s birthdate is August 4, 1961. It doesn’t take a doctor or a math whiz to calculate his conception as sometime in 1960 — before John Kennedy took office. In fact, it might have taken place on Election Day, when Kennedy won the presidency. That would tend to indicate that Mom and Dad met sometime before the African airlift that Obama credits for his birth.

The first post of mine that you brought up today at 10:05 PM is from one year ago…
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

No, this was the first post I addressed to you:

You guys might be surprised at my conclusion.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Maybe not, but we’ll never know if you don’t spell it out for us.

My conclusion is that these airlifts didn’t do a whole hell of a lot to win hearts and minds.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM

I was not surprised by the conclusion on your blog that Obama may have made an innocent mistake about the dates. At least I bothered to read it!

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

How am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what Ed got from you and what he got elsewhere, particularly if he says something and doesn’t quote you?

Earlier today you said:

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.

If you helped Dobbs but thought some of the conclusions were incorrect, why didn’t you say so at the time? Certainly Dobbs and Ed concluded that it was intentional, not an innocent error.

The main point I made today was about Obama’s attempt to paint himself as an anti-Communist (and being a fiction writer in general). That conclusion on my part stands no matter what airlifts happened when, or under whose largesse.

I have not “argued” with a single thing you said, except to differ with you about this:

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

Where did he say that? He talked about the “Kennedy family” giving donations and said it had nothing to do with him being POTUS and among other things, he said:

It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation.

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Cross posts. I didn’t get that from this:

This gets history wrong on several counts. First, the timing is incorrect, as I noted. The airlifts started before Kennedy took office. It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation — and only after Obama Sr. had arrived in Hawaii for his studies. The Kennedys didn’t create the idea of the airlift, either; it began with eventual Kenyan political martyr Tom Mboya

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.

I’m still struggling to figure out what you see as the larger issue beyond that (assuming that you think I have it all wrong).

Larger issue?

The first post is from a year ago.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Okay then, if it’s not the dates of the airlift, what is it? You have a tendency toward the cryptic.

I know that this will sound harsher than I mean it to be, but I expect people arguing about this to read the posts closely, so I tend not to repeat information already given. However, I’ll try to be less cryptic.

The first post of mine that you brought up today at 10:05 PM is from one year ago when AP posted on the very same subject but with a focus on different set of milestone dates: the date JFK was sworn in as POTUS (1961). So did Ed’s post from a few days ago (obliquely). I mentioned the JFK-POTUS angle in both of my posts (at my blog) on the subject.

Today’s post by Ed–the one we’re in now–however, zeros in on the fact that there were many different flights–sorties–for the airlift. The earliest flights in 1959–the ones on which Obama Sr. and my father flew–brought 81 Kenyan students to America and had funding from Robinson, Belafonte, etc., but Obama claimed that it was the Kennedys. The Kennedys did fund some of the sorties, but not until 1960.

So, because Obama has lied a lot before, everybody thinks he’s lying now. I think that he just accidentally got the dates of the sorties wrong–mostly because AP and I did too. The info is confusing.

To clarify, I don’t disagree with you when you say I think the discrepancies in the airlift story are an innocent mistake on Obama’s part.

My point is that I don’t care about that one detail. I’m still struggling to figure out what you see as the larger issue beyond that (assuming that you think I have it all wrong).

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Cross posts. I didn’t get that from this:

This gets history wrong on several counts. First, the timing is incorrect, as I noted. The airlifts started before Kennedy took office. It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation — and only after Obama Sr. had arrived in Hawaii for his studies. The Kennedys didn’t create the idea of the airlift, either; it began with eventual Kenyan political martyr Tom Mboya

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I hate to be a bit blunt here, but isn’t Obama’s entire plan to promote “racial healing” in our nation quite simply “I’m gonna tax the crap out of Whitey”?

THAT ought to promote lots of goodwill between our citizens!

TexasJew on March 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Obama’s entire plan is to use race conflict, class conflict, gender conflict, generational conflict, etc. to create a socialist revolution.

Obama Nation: Using Racism In Order To Form A More Socialist Union

Obama’s record in the Senate is even more liberal/socialist than the openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders.

Obama’s record is perfectly in-synch with the published agenda of the Communist Party USA.

The first post is from a year ago.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Okay then, if it’s not the dates of the airlift, what is it? You have a tendency toward the cryptic.

I thought that today’s post by Ed Morrissey said the airlift dates were wrong and it pointed to your post at the other thread to substantiate that.

Sorry if I’m still confused about what you specifically are getting at when you say you may surprise us by your conclusion.

Just can’t keep up with the Democrats and the “Culture of Deception.”

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Bravo! Standing ovation! You should trademark that…

Print some T-shirts with that on the front, and put a “Top 10 list” on the back. Some phrases for the list would come from the current election, but some would be classics like:

“I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”

That’s it’s bigger than the airlift dates goes without saying–even though I did say it.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I read it. It was quite confusing to go to this link this morning (Update II) where you agreed the dates were wrong and then read your father’s account.

Anyway, it’s bigger than the dates of the airlift, which were only off by a year. It’s the whole mythology, which includes the Selma story, along with his attempt to paint himself as an anti-Communist (just like the Kennedys!).