WaPo reports on Obama-Selma-Kennedy birth myth

posted at 11:17 am on March 30, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

On Wednesday, I did the math that most of the mainstream media couldn’t do in March 2007. I asked how Barack Obama could have told a Selma audience that the 1965 March on Selma resulted in his conception when he was born in 1961. I also challenged Obama’s assertion that the Kennedy administration could have been responsible for his father’s arrival in America when his conception predated Kennedy’s oath of office. The Washington Post’s Michael Dobbs delves deeper into the Kennedy myth of fingerprints on Obama’s birth, and finds little basis in fact for it:

Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his “very existence” to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. After Caroline Kennedy endorsed his candidacy in January, Newsweek commentator Jonathan Alter reported that she had been struck by the extraordinary way in which “history replays itself” and by how “two generations of two families — separated by distance, culture and wealth — can intersect in strange and wonderful ways.”

It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

In the speech, Obama made specific reference to the airlift as a White House program, a product of the Kennedy administration. He said:

It worried folks in the White House who said, “You know, we’re battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we’re not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.” So the Kennedy’s decided we’re going to do an air lift.

This gets history wrong on several counts. First, the timing is incorrect, as I noted. The airlifts started before Kennedy took office. It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation — and only after Obama Sr. had arrived in Hawaii for his studies. The Kennedys didn’t create the idea of the airlift, either; it began with eventual Kenyan political martyr Tom Mboya.

Why the deception? Obama’s speech had two purposes: to increase his authenticity as a black politician by tying himself to Selma and the general civil-rights movement, and to assume the mantle of Kennedy’s Camelot. Both are essentially falsehoods. Selma had nothing to do with his conception or his formative years; by the time the march occured, his father had already left the family and returned to Kenya (1963). The Kennedy administration has nothing at all to do with his existence, as I pointed out by doing the math that shows that Obama would have had to have been almost three months premature to have been conceived even on JFK’s inauguration.

This exposes Obama as a politician who plays fast and loose with his life story to transform himself into whatever his audience wants to see. For those who want to see a post-racial candidate, he downplays race as an issue. When in Chicago, he hangs out with radicals like Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, and Bernadette Dohrn for authenticity. For Democrats wanting a return to JFK, he ties himself to the Kennedys in a false and strangely sexual manner. And for those who want a candidate with civil-rights movement credentials, he offers the same kind of connection to a famous march that obviously had nothing to do with his birth.

In other words, Barack Obama is a phony. Had the media that covered his speech in Selma in March 2007 thought to do the math, Democrats could have figured this out nine months before the first primary contests. Now they’re stuck with him — unless the superdelegates want to hand the nomination to the Tuzla Dash candidate instead.


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I asked how Barack Obama could have told a Selma audience that the 1965 March on Selma resulted in his conception when he was born in 1961.

because you have a brain? Just a guess

Plus, how could his mom be ducking fire in Bosnia. Wait a minute. Just can’t keep up with the Democrats and the “Culture of Deception.”

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

I can see my credibility from here … no, wait, that’s Tuzla.

ROFL!

flipflop on March 30, 2008 at 11:28 AM

New definition of Democratic candidate = PHONEY.

dalec on March 30, 2008 at 11:29 AM

BO either doesn’t know his own background (as checkered as it is) or he lies to suit his needs. either way, he owns tremendous weaknesses.

jimmer on March 30, 2008 at 11:32 AM

It seems more and more that the news isn’t the news. The news is that the MSM is finally reporting the news.

29Victor on March 30, 2008 at 11:34 AM

SECOND LOOK AT THE GORACLE.
He doesn’t lie. He uses science.

a capella on March 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM

But wasn’t he also named for Sir Obama Hillary, the first man to climb Mt. Everest?

TexasJew on March 30, 2008 at 11:42 AM

Who cares? It’s the thought, sentiment, and narrative that counts. Do you not see that this country is taking a new path away from the divisive politics of George W Bush? Ed, nothing you or the rest of the repigli-CONs say or do will stop this country from being healed. Give Up!

ninjapirate on March 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Who cares? It’s the thought, sentiment, and narrative that counts. Do you not see that this country is taking a new path away from the divisive politics of George W Bush?

Um….no?

29Victor on March 30, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Every black politician, or public figure, every liberal, and even most everyone running for office (even Mitt tried it), tries to tie himself to MLK, and his “marches”.
MLK could have made a fortune renting out “march space” to future politicians.
Here is news, marching with MLK does not make you a valid candidate…being conceived by people who marched with MLK does not make you a viable candidate…watching “churches burn” does not make you a good candidate…sitting in church while MLK gave his sermons/speeches does not make you a noticible candidate.
You aren’t MLK, you are a wannabe, a groupie, you are riding the coattails of a man, and twisting his words to create racial division…the opposite of what he wanted.
And I don’t care that Kennedy shipped in 81 more slaves to vote for his son…

right2bright on March 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Um….no?

Give Up!

ninjapirate on March 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM

I hate to be a bit blunt here, but isn’t Obama’s entire plan to promote “racial healing” in our nation quite simply “I’m gonna tax the crap out of Whitey”?

THAT ought to promote lots of goodwill between our citizens!

TexasJew on March 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Why can’t liberals add?

TheBigOldDog on March 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Stop Swiftboating Obama!

JohnJ on March 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM

George W Bush

HOW DARE YOU EVEN SPEAK EVILS’ NAME!

terryannonline on March 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Who cares? It’s the thought, sentiment, and narrative that counts. Do you not see that this country is taking a new path away from the divisive politics of George W Bush? Ed, nothing you or the rest of the repigli-CONs say or do will stop this country from being healed. Give Up!

ninjapirate on March 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Brilliant satire!

As George Costanza once said, “A lie isn’t a lie if you believe it”.

Del Dolemonte on March 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM

“I’m gonna tax the crap out of Whitey”?

TexasJew on March 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

I heard a rumor that the quote you gave, TexasJew, above was going to be the tagline for The Obama Camp when they were still pushing Rev. J-Wright and HIS AUDACITY “of hope” but decided with “Change You Can Believe In” when they ditched J-Wright from The Obama’s announcement coronation in the Land of Lincoln. ;)

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM

The Philip Ochieng cited in the article is my father.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Why can’t liberals add?

TheBigOldDog on March 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Because, to them, facts and figures aren’t as important and don’t carry weight as much as feelings and good intentions.

And consequences for actions? Apparently, according to our lib betters, there are no consequences for actions. The collective will surely pick up the slack. It’s the collective’s moral obligation to do so, don’tcha know? The individual must not be allowed to fail. And must only succeed to the point where they won’t make others feel bad about themselves for not succeeding.

It’s the recipe for the weakness and mediocrity we’re seeing on such a wide-scale display right now.

techno_barbarian on March 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Ted Kennedy is Obamas birth mother.

- The Cat

MirCat on March 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM

What do you expect Obama to do, tell the truth? “My mama was a radical commie hippie who hated her own country and thought that sleeping with third world men was a cool way to rebel; my father was a loutish, drunken Kenyan who impregnated a variety of women, and then abandoned them. Vote for me!”

AZCoyote on March 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM

No wonder Obama can’t get along with Hillary.

It must be like looking in a mirror

entagor on March 30, 2008 at 12:29 PM

AZCoyote on March 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Now that right there, was funny! Why? Because there’s probably more than a kernel of truth to the narrative.

CliffHanger on March 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM

AZCoyote

Laughs!

Too long for a bumper sticker but sounds about right.

TroubledMonkey on March 30, 2008 at 12:31 PM

With every Obama lie, racial harmony dies. I wonder how much this will play out in the MSM? Good call Ed, nothing like the facts. Did the media bother to check out anything Obama said, or were the thrills in their legs to distracting. Speaking of MLK, from what I have heard from him, he would be an “Uncle Tom” today. You know that whole content of character instead of the color of skin discussion.

chief on March 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Yep, he’s a liar.

WisCon on March 30, 2008 at 12:36 PM

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Good job! Your factual information here at HA has been very helpful, btw.

Connie on March 30, 2008 at 12:39 PM

The Philip Ochieng cited in the article is my father.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM

O.K., I’ve been up and down the thread and can’t find a link. Please help those who are challenged.

a capella on March 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM

The Philip Ochieng cited in the article is my father.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Excellent job by you and your dad of getting the truth out there, baldilocks. Thank you!

I’ve also read (can’t recall the source) that Barack, Sr. had a choice between a NY grad school (The New School?), where he would have received a living stipend for wife and child, and Harvard, without that stipend. He chose Harvard, the story went, and thus “abandoned” (per Obama Jr.’s narrative) his wife and two-year old son. Is that accurate, to your knowledge?

Nichevo on March 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM

This would have ben a perfect opportunity to show a clip from the Jeffersons. Geore was always carrying on about how he was the son of a sharecropper. That always cracked me up, and it was the first thing I thought when I read the article.

Theworldisnotenough on March 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM

O.K., I’ve been up and down the thread and can’t find a link. Please help those who are challenged.

a capella on March 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM

D,uh, never mind. I found it right where it should be.

a capella on March 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM

blockquote>Good job! Your factual information here at HA has been very helpful, btw.

Connie on March 30, 2008 at 12:39 PM

ditto

LodeStar on March 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Obama’s speech had two purposes: to increase his authenticity as a black politician by tying himself to Selma and the general civil-rights movement, and to assume the mantle of Kennedy’s Camelot.

When Obama says this -

It worried folks in the White House who said, “You know, we’re battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we’re not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites.” So the Kennedy’s decided we’re going to do an air lift.

Barry does a nice job of “assuming the mantle” of the Kennedy’s anti-Communism, which just could be the third purpose of this charade.

Time to secure his nomination for the Nobel Prize for Fiction.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

So does this mean that B. Hussein Obama wasn’t born on Mount Paekdu, and no double rainbow appeared over the family’s log cabin, and no new star appeared in the sky, and no swallow flew overhead to annonounce the event to the world?

Oh wait, that was Kim Jong Il. Nevermind.

Cicero43 on March 30, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Why can’t liberals add?

TheBigOldDog

It’s call progressive math.

moonsbreath on March 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

I like the story about how BHO faced down the evil Bull Connor and his firehoses. Afterwards he went to a lunch counter in Selma that was reserved for whites and refused to leave. He took a bus to get there, where he sat next to Rosa Parks. He still had blood on his clothes from cradling the head of the dying Martin Luther King in his lap.

Yeah. That’s the ticket.

Cicero43 on March 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Obot: Snipergate!!!

Hbot: Pastorgate!!!

Obot: Sir Edmundgate!!

Hbot: Professorgate!!!

Obot: Naftagate!!!

Hbot: Naftagate!!!

Obot: Yankeegate!!

Hbot: Kennedygate!!

Obot: Irelandgate!!

Hbot: Selmagate!!

:)

windansea on March 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM

Barry does a nice job of “assuming the mantle” of the Kennedy’s anti-Communism, which just could be the third purpose of this charade.
Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

It’s called a head fake in sports. My football coach always told me to ignore the hips and head,…aim your tackle for the center of the body.

a capella on March 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM

The press is giving Obama way too many passes on his lies, here’s another whopper:

http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/?p=2125

Tark on March 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Why can’t liberals add?

TheBigOldDog on March 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Well, they can. It’s just a bit skewed.

The general formula for a Democrap win is as follows:

OUR TAX $$$ – their money = MORE $$$ FOR EVERYONE (except the ones that paid taxes)

With respect to Barry’s connections…..that is really a skewed/stretched/disingenuous version of “6 Degrees of Separation” that he’s playing.

I’m waiting for his comment that “I was tired” a la the Glacier when explaining his fuzzy maff.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Damn good research and article. So we are stuck with 3 lib leaning candidates, all liars. Yippee! I miss Bush already.

echosyst on March 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Barack Obama is a phony.

Nothing else needs to be said!

SouthernGent on March 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM

So this wonderful airlift program paid to bring Obama’s dad into the country, so that he could get a US government subsidized education, knock-up a white girl, and then abandon both her and the country which gave him a second chance in order to go back to Kenya and kill himself in a drunken-driving incident. And Obama wants to link that whole mess to the Kennedy’s? Heh. Well, if he wants to make them look bad too, I have no problem with that….

c6gunner on March 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

Why can’t liberals add?

TheBigOldDog on March 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Because if they ever learned, they’d realize how much their leaders intend to tax us.

amerpundit on March 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Time to secure his nomination for the Nobel Prize for Fiction.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

It is not unreasonable at this time, imo, to suggest that he may be the closest thing to a Clinton, in terms of his willingness to make up the stupidest, most meaningless lies about almost anything.

I simply can’t find anything else to compare his Selma and Kennedy/Kenya bullshit to, other than Uncle Bill’s effortless, meaningless lies about everything.

Someone help me with the logic; is it pathological only if he is making this crap up in a calculated effort to woo certain special interest groups? If so, what is it when you just make up stupid shit for no reason at all?

Jaibones on March 30, 2008 at 1:44 PM

The Empty Suit: I’m tap-dancing as fast as I can!

He and Hillary should do a sequel to “LIAR LIAR”.

(If not “Dumb and Dumber”.)

profitsbeard on March 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM

TexasJew, Obama Hillary did not climb Mount Everest he ascended. There is a difference.

UncleZeb on March 30, 2008 at 1:54 PM

This is what comes from the cynical belief that Republicans are all liars, so the Dems have to lie to keep up.

Doug on March 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Jaibones on March 30, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I think it’s both. Like the Clintons, he’s a congenital liar and one does not need a degree in psychology to figure out that he has a great big identity problem and easily attaches himself to men like Frank Davis and Wright, who he’d have us think of a crazy uncles, but who are father figures.

But he’s also a very calculated politician. Watch him weasel out of these revelations. He’ll call it a “distraction”, he’ll echo Hillary’s Tuzla response and claim it was the first mistake he’s made in his lifetime, he’ll go back on The View and seduce those idiotic women, and all will be right with the world again.

Let’s face it – if one can believe in Black Liberation Theology, one can believe anything this guy has to sell.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Doug on March 30, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Jenny you know I’d never hurt you! If it weren’t for this war and that lying son of a b__ch Johnson.

lorien1973 on March 30, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I guess we just have to take his conception story on faith–after all, he is the Messiah.

PattyJ on March 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM

This strongly reminds me of Jesse Jackson’s false claim that he was on the porch with Martin Luther King when King was murdered. It boosted Jackson immensely. He didn’t get elected to the Presidency, but he ended up with a very profitable extortion racket as a byproduct.

burt on March 30, 2008 at 3:04 PM

For Democrats wanting a return to JFK, he ties himself to the Kennedys in a false and strangely sexual manner.

Considering the notorious sexual appetites of the Kennedy men, trying to tie youself to the Kennedys in a “sexual manner” wouldn’t be considered “strange” (by the Kennedys, that is).

When it comes to ties with the Kennedys, at least Hillary’s husband once shook hands with JFK – and has the photo to prove it.

Bigfoot on March 30, 2008 at 3:05 PM

In other words, Barack Obama is a phony. Had the media that covered his speech in Selma in March 2007 thought to do the math, Democrats could have figured this out nine months before the first primary contests. Now they’re stuck with him — unless the superdelegates want to hand the nomination to the Tuzla Dash candidate instead.

Excellent summation of the deceiving and chaotic liberal ways. Chickens coming home, though.

baldilocks, you are a treasure to the world.

Entelechy on March 30, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Good job! Your factual information here at HA has been very helpful, btw.
Connie on March 30, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Excellent job by you and your dad of getting the truth out there, baldilocks. Thank you!
Nichevo on March 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM

ditto
LodeStar on March 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM

ditto those above Baldilocks!

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 3:33 PM

then abandon both her and the country which gave him a second chance in order to go back to Kenya and kill himself in a drunken-driving incident. c6gunner on March 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM

It does have a Kennedyesqe ring to it though, eh?

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM

ditto those above Baldilocks!

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 3:33 PM

+1

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 3:56 PM

With the Kennedy connection, we should soon begin to look in an English-French or French-English dictionary instead of accepting all of that Hollywood stuff. Every one I’ve seen tells me that Camelot means trash, rubbish and that sort of stuff that you want to dump. They want to play that game, it’s OK with me but I can’t help laughing when I know, for the first time, how close to the truth they are. Camelot! Yeah, man. The truth finally.

ich dien on March 30, 2008 at 4:01 PM

I’m still waiting for some enterprising reporter to come up with the senior Obamas’ marriage certificate and divorce papers.

doppelganglander on March 30, 2008 at 4:08 PM

I’m still waiting for some enterprising reporter to come up with the senior Obamas’ marriage certificate and divorce papers.

doppelganglander on March 30, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Careful, Michelle Obama might call you “mean.”

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I thought he was raised by some old couple in Kansas right after his spaceship from Krypton crashed in that cornfield.

pilamaye on March 30, 2008 at 4:39 PM

“Every black politician, or public figure, every liberal, and even most everyone running for office (even Mitt tried it), tries to tie himself to MLK, and his “marches”.
MLK could have made a fortune renting out “march space” to future politicians.”

The King family goes after royalties ffrom anyone who uses Kings word’s. There was a delay in getting Kings statue in DC approved while the family negotiated their cut for having a statue commemorate MLK.

I always thought this was a little crass until I read the above comments. It must have been tough for the family, seeing the world getting rich off their father, while they were probably very poor. So it is understandable that they took steps to take back some of what people were receiving.

davod on March 30, 2008 at 5:26 PM

The Democrats remind me of the Penelope character on Saturday Night Live…

Seixon on March 30, 2008 at 6:06 PM

AP is not going to like this post, but he will excuse Obama, he’ll say he should be given the doubt.

Does not surprise me we have to see a post like this from Ed.

Great job Ed.

WoosterOh on March 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

myea, math is hard =P
and media is lazy

Drunk Report on March 30, 2008 at 6:32 PM

The media likes to frame it the way that appeasing, defeatists, Castro-hugging liberals like it — A bogus bunch of BS always lacking in the truth.

Travis1 on March 30, 2008 at 6:43 PM

You guys might be surprised at my conclusion.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:10 PM

You guys might be surprised at my conclusion.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Maybe not, but we’ll never know if you don’t spell it out for us.

My conclusion is that these airlifts didn’t do a whole hell of a lot to win hearts and minds.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Um, I spelled it out at my blog.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I read it. It was quite confusing to go to this link this morning (Update II) where you agreed the dates were wrong and then read your father’s account.

Anyway, it’s bigger than the dates of the airlift, which were only off by a year. It’s the whole mythology, which includes the Selma story, along with his attempt to paint himself as an anti-Communist (just like the Kennedys!).

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:05 PM

The first post is from a year ago. Back then folks were arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped the airlift as POTUS and not figuring on the Kennedy Foundation helping out in the year before that. This argument is a different one.

That’s it’s bigger than the airlift dates goes without saying–even though I did say it.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Just can’t keep up with the Democrats and the “Culture of Deception.”

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Bravo! Standing ovation! You should trademark that…

Print some T-shirts with that on the front, and put a “Top 10 list” on the back. Some phrases for the list would come from the current election, but some would be classics like:

“I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.”

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

The first post is from a year ago.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Okay then, if it’s not the dates of the airlift, what is it? You have a tendency toward the cryptic.

I thought that today’s post by Ed Morrissey said the airlift dates were wrong and it pointed to your post at the other thread to substantiate that.

Sorry if I’m still confused about what you specifically are getting at when you say you may surprise us by your conclusion.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I hate to be a bit blunt here, but isn’t Obama’s entire plan to promote “racial healing” in our nation quite simply “I’m gonna tax the crap out of Whitey”?

THAT ought to promote lots of goodwill between our citizens!

TexasJew on March 30, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Obama’s entire plan is to use race conflict, class conflict, gender conflict, generational conflict, etc. to create a socialist revolution.

Obama Nation: Using Racism In Order To Form A More Socialist Union

Obama’s record in the Senate is even more liberal/socialist than the openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders.

Obama’s record is perfectly in-synch with the published agenda of the Communist Party USA.

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Cross posts. I didn’t get that from this:

This gets history wrong on several counts. First, the timing is incorrect, as I noted. The airlifts started before Kennedy took office. It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation — and only after Obama Sr. had arrived in Hawaii for his studies. The Kennedys didn’t create the idea of the airlift, either; it began with eventual Kenyan political martyr Tom Mboya

.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM

baldilocks

To clarify, I don’t disagree with you when you say I think the discrepancies in the airlift story are an innocent mistake on Obama’s part.

My point is that I don’t care about that one detail. I’m still struggling to figure out what you see as the larger issue beyond that (assuming that you think I have it all wrong).

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Obama and lies.. something that will see lots of.

Chakra Hammer on March 30, 2008 at 10:51 PM

The first post is from a year ago.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Okay then, if it’s not the dates of the airlift, what is it? You have a tendency toward the cryptic.

I know that this will sound harsher than I mean it to be, but I expect people arguing about this to read the posts closely, so I tend not to repeat information already given. However, I’ll try to be less cryptic.

The first post of mine that you brought up today at 10:05 PM is from one year ago when AP posted on the very same subject but with a focus on different set of milestone dates: the date JFK was sworn in as POTUS (1961). So did Ed’s post from a few days ago (obliquely). I mentioned the JFK-POTUS angle in both of my posts (at my blog) on the subject.

Today’s post by Ed–the one we’re in now–however, zeros in on the fact that there were many different flights–sorties–for the airlift. The earliest flights in 1959–the ones on which Obama Sr. and my father flew–brought 81 Kenyan students to America and had funding from Robinson, Belafonte, etc., but Obama claimed that it was the Kennedys. The Kennedys did fund some of the sorties, but not until 1960.

So, because Obama has lied a lot before, everybody thinks he’s lying now. I think that he just accidentally got the dates of the sorties wrong–mostly because AP and I did too. The info is confusing.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I’m still struggling to figure out what you see as the larger issue beyond that (assuming that you think I have it all wrong).

Larger issue?

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Cross posts. I didn’t get that from this:

This gets history wrong on several counts. First, the timing is incorrect, as I noted. The airlifts started before Kennedy took office. It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation — and only after Obama Sr. had arrived in Hawaii for his studies. The Kennedys didn’t create the idea of the airlift, either; it began with eventual Kenyan political martyr Tom Mboya

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

As Mitt says, “facts are stubborn things.” So are pathological liars.

Mojave Mark on March 30, 2008 at 11:32 PM

The first post of mine that you brought up today at 10:05 PM is from one year ago…
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

No, this was the first post I addressed to you:

You guys might be surprised at my conclusion.

baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Maybe not, but we’ll never know if you don’t spell it out for us.

My conclusion is that these airlifts didn’t do a whole hell of a lot to win hearts and minds.

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 9:35 PM

I was not surprised by the conclusion on your blog that Obama may have made an innocent mistake about the dates. At least I bothered to read it!

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

How am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what Ed got from you and what he got elsewhere, particularly if he says something and doesn’t quote you?

Earlier today you said:

I helped Mr. Dobbs with this article as well.

If you helped Dobbs but thought some of the conclusions were incorrect, why didn’t you say so at the time? Certainly Dobbs and Ed concluded that it was intentional, not an innocent error.

The main point I made today was about Obama’s attempt to paint himself as an anti-Communist (and being a fiction writer in general). That conclusion on my part stands no matter what airlifts happened when, or under whose largesse.

I have not “argued” with a single thing you said, except to differ with you about this:

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

Where did he say that? He talked about the “Kennedy family” giving donations and said it had nothing to do with him being POTUS and among other things, he said:

It never had official sanction as a government program, but only private support from the Kennedy Foundation.

Buy Danish on March 31, 2008 at 12:38 AM

Of course you couldn’t get that from that excerpt of my post from one year ago. 2007. The info about the funding was just found out last week.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:11 PM

How am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what Ed got from you and what he got elsewhere, particularly if he says something and doesn’t quote you?

Huh? What are you talking about? Please go back and read your comment at 10:32PM today. You said “I’m not getting that from this…” meaning my two statements didn’t match. (Or that’s what I thought you meant.)

I’m just telling you why they don’t–the second excerpt was from last year (it links to a post that has the date at top). I have received new information since then. That’s why you’re not getting the same thing from the two statements.

I thought that’s what you wanted to know.

If you helped Dobbs but thought some of the conclusions were incorrect, why didn’t you say so at the time?

You’re making unwarranted assumptions–about the type of help and that we discussed conclusions.

That conclusion on my part stands no matter what airlifts happened when, or under whose largesse.

Okay. I’ve been talking about Obama’s communism for a while now too. You seem to think that I’m somehow disagreeing with you. All I’m doing is attempting to answer your questions.

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.

Where did he say that?

From last week’s post (linked at the top):

That’s not the only bit of fabulism here. Obama’s birthdate is August 4, 1961. It doesn’t take a doctor or a math whiz to calculate his conception as sometime in 1960 — before John Kennedy took office. In fact, it might have taken place on Election Day, when Kennedy won the presidency. That would tend to indicate that Mom and Dad met sometime before the African airlift that Obama credits for his birth.

baldilocks on March 31, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Every gray haired ponytailed hippy was at Woodstock, and every politician was marching with MLK, comes stock when you purchase your Democrat Moral Authority kit.

Alden Pyle on March 31, 2008 at 8:14 AM

Wait. Wait a dang minute. I thought the Messiah didn’t have a birth father? Wasn’t his birth due to Immaculate Conception? I’m confused.

saltydogg14 on March 31, 2008 at 12:00 PM

baldilocks on March 31, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Good afternoon. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

This began when you said people might be surprised at your conclusion. I said “maybe not” but that ‘we might never know if you don’t spell it out for us’.I had read your blog at that point and had read your argument, and didn’t disagree with it (I don’t think there’s a wrong or right answer as to whether it was innocent or intentionally deceptive as we can’t really know for sure).

However, you had stated that you helped with info for the WaPo story and mentioned your father, but didn’t add at the time that you reached a slightly different conclusion. Not everyone is going to click on your name and read your blog for the answer, and it’s a complicated story. That’s why I suggested it might require you to spell it out for us – here. I thought I understood you, but I also wasn’t sure if there was something else I was missing.

You said you didn’t ‘mean to be harsh’, but didn’t want to repeat information already given, but unless I missed something you did not give that information here at this blog.

In my 10:05, I don’t argue with you. I said that it was a confusing story, but reiterated my point that I find the anti-communist angle that Obama is trying to peddle more important than the date of the airlift.

(I have said all along that the TUCofC is a Marxist church, and that Dr, Cone is a Marxist, and BLT “theology” is Marxist ideology, and we know that Frank Davis was an early mentor, so the idea that Obama cared so much about fighting Communism in the ’60′s is snort worthy.)

You take issue with me because you say that the post I brought up at 10:05 was ‘from a year ago’, but it was update II to a thread by AP dated March 26, 2008 from a comment you made on the same day. What is wrong with my pointing to that update as evidence that it’s a confusing tale, and how is that year old information?

Moreover, on the one hand you said:

Ed was also arguing that JFK couldn’t have helped because the latter wasn’t yet POTUS, not about the different sorties of Kenyans and the separate funding.
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 10:22 PM

But Ed did talk about the different sorties, and Kennedy foundation funding in this thread, and thus I said “I didn’t get that”. Indeed, you yourself said:

Today’s post by Ed–the one we’re in now–however, zeros in on the fact that there were many different flights–sorties–for the airlift. [et cetera]
baldilocks on March 30, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Buy Danish on March 31, 2008 at 3:26 PM