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thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

So you’re saying you’re scientifically and morally ignorant.

Libertarianism won’t make up for that.

That is pretty much how much of our society is nowadays. From the recent housing situation to our immigration (lack of) enforcement to our abortion laws. Each of these issues came about, because our culture and laws are set up to encourage people to ac…

I personally have mixed feelings on abortion, but if pushed into a corner I would have to say that it is in essence a bad practice that teaches and encourages reckless behavior.  Partial birth is barbarism plain and simple…. I don’t k…

I absolutely agree with Allahpundit that this quote alone is not going to wreck Obama’s campaign. But Allahpundit’s discussion of the subject reflects the same Planned Parenthood-approved cultural assumptions that informed Obama’s gaffe….

In May, the Little Admiral turns 6, and my son and DIL will both graduate from college. She’ll be a teacher, while he wants to pursue post-graduate work in math and physics. It’s amazing to see what people can do when they accept blessings in their lives rather than treat new life as a “punishment”.

Quote of the day, I daresay. Yeah, Hotair.com can’t quote itself but as much as I could argue for Obama’s side, I can argue this side just as well.

When will we women realize that the power to reproduce and the power to grant or withold our sexual favor is THE power in the world? We hold the power to produce heirs for our husbands, to propagate the species, to create tomorrow’s leaders and the future generations that will care for us when we get old. We hold the power to deny men the one thing they cannot live without. Yet we ask nothing in return for giving up that power. And somehow “feminists” have decided that booting that power is “liberating” for women, and that babies are “punishment” for our “mistakes.” Leave aside all the “pro-life” arguments against abortion; whether you think it is murder or not, it is certainly the wrong way to empower women.

I swear, it kills me how women have let men make the rules so they can have sex whenever they want with no inconvenience or messy consequences. Even gay men have successfully lobbied for massive government subsidies for AIDS drugs and vaccines so they can have unnatural sex whenever they want with no consequences, instead of just using protection to prevent disease. Now in the wake of the Eliot Spitzer scandal, men even want to legalize prostitution so the “stigma” will go away. Millions of men watch porn on the Internet or in movies all the time. Women allow themselves to be exploited in these media and law enforcement does nothing.

Does anyone really think this is social “progress?” We are becoming a sick society of men obsessed with sex and feeling entitled to get it or watch it anytime they want with no hassle, and women who give it away for nothing. Far from liberating women, it has futher objectified us as little more than sex dolls for men. And in the process we have killed 40 million babies who were just “collateral damage.” I weep when I think about this.

If women had been as successful as men in getting what we want, we would not be denying motherhood but embracing it and DEMANDING that the world embrace it. We would have employer-provided child care, mandatory paid parental leave, huge tax relief for parents, year-round schools, and many other social adjustments so that women who choose life are honored and supported, rather than fired and stigmatized and impoverished. There would be condom machines everywhere and every man would carry one all the time or be ridiculed and denied. Porn and prostitution would be illegal and punished severely.

Women have the POWER here. We need to use it! Just say NO to abortion, prostitution, porn, and unhealthy birth control drugs. Say NO to sex if you don’t really want it! If you do, make that man use a condom if he wants it. And for God’s sake, have the baby if you get pregnant anyway, and don’t let the world or some idiot liberal politician define you as “stupid” or your baby as “punishment”!!!

I’ll bet you will never hear Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama talk about this kind of REAL empowerment for women!

What information does Obama want his daughter to know? When sex and babies are NOT connected as cause and effect. morality falls apart. Comprehensive ’sex education’ teaches how to have sex without having babies. This perspective can be refuted with a variety of perpectives: religious, emotional, psychological, moral. When sex education teaches that sex and babies are NOT directly related, but a ‘punishment’ for not having an abortion, the whole social foundation for raising children and families in a loving environment disappears. In its place we find abortion, divorce, abuse, and poverty. Sadly, this is the real goal of liberal democrats, socialists, and the pro-choice crowd. By assuming irresponsible sex in teens is natural and dis-assocciating sex and babies, liberals seek to undermine and cut the one true, undeniable connection between sex and babies that has true meaning: love. When we teach our children to cheapen and deny love, we slowly take away our (and their) humanity.

In the novel/movie Dune, the mark of a true human was someone who could endure extreme pain, overcoming the animal urge to cut off the source of the pain. It is precisely our ability to control our basic animal instincts that makes us human. As human beings, we can overcome the basic urges, sex, hunger, pain, sleep, even survival, for those we love. This is what our children (and society) need to learn. It is this war between true love and selfishness that lies at the root of the abortion issue, and will determine the future of our society, nation, and world.

We better figure out how to shut this man down legislatively, and fast. He’s going to win the White House, should he get the nomination, and we have to be ready to fight him on the ground. Our best hope is that Obama is Bubba part deux, that he can be redirected with enough focused opposition; that’s only possible if we have boots on the ground.

The point of my story is that children are not a form of punishment. They are gifts and blessings. Something that in its very essence is innocent, having no choice in being created, can never be a punishment.

>The Federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act was passed in 2002 by 98-0. Obama was still in Illinois at the time.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted “no.”

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Shocka. Not really. I’m more shocked that there is something on record from Barry’s time in the Illinois legislature.

Things, predictably, did not go as I planned. I ended up meeting and falling in love with my future husband, who convinced me without knowing to keep my baby. By embracing me, hugely pregnant and all, he helped me realize that while I had made some mistakes, something wonderful had happened. He was there the night my daughter was born; we had been dating for about two months.

It’s been a little rough, I’m still a little embarressed about not knowing who the biological father of my daughter is, and she has a different last name from the rest of us (oh, and she’s my clone, which brings a whole new level of difficulty into the game). I cannot imagine my life without her, and every day she finds a way to amaze me (sometimes positively!). She is no longer a punishment to me. A five-year-old pain in the tuckus, but also my little princess (and such a Daddy’s girl). I feel like vomiting every time I remember I wanted to murder her, and I’ve never been so happy to have been so scared.

Many know I’m not religious; my views about abortion stem from my views of personal responsibility. I learned my lesson – if you don’t want a baby (or STD), don’t have sex (or use 5 forms of BC). Every action has a consequence, and babies are consequences, not punishments, for having sex.

If my husband reads this, thank you honey. I can never say it enough – Thank you for saving Sophie, and saving me.

When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, “Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act … floor debate served to clarify the bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v. Wade or a woman’s right to choose.”

She goes on to add some more from Stanek:

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”

As a senator, Obama has opposed measures to criminalize those who transport minors across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

At a townhall meeting in Ottawa, Ill., Joanne Resendiz, a teacher and mother of five, asked him: “How are you going to vote on this, keeping in mind that 10, 15 years down the line your daughters, God forbid, could be transported across state lines?”

Obama said: “The decision generally is one that a woman should make.”

There’s an emotional remoteness from his own children reflected in his statement that is his chilling.

When Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate in 2003, Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. The Born Alive Infants bill and an amendment to add exactly the language Boxer said protected Roe in the federal bill (which President Bush had signed into law in 2002) was referred to this committee.

According to the records made by committee Republicans, the amendment to include in the Illinois bill the language Boxer said protected Roe was approved by a 10 to zero vote of the committee. (This vote, Republicans say, was a common procedural courtesy extended to the sponsoring senator.) The bill as amended was then put to a committee vote. It lost four to six, with Obama voting “no.”

“I just read a copy of the Illinois Senate Republican Staff analysis on SB 1082 (93rd General Assembly), and, contrary to the bill status report on the Illinois General Assembly Website, it shows the bill — as amended — was in fact called for a vote in committee on a motion to recommend the bill for passage to the whole Senate,” former Sen. Winkel, now an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois College of Law, wrote me in an email. “That motion failed 4-6-0 along party lines, and the chairman, then state Sen. Barack Obama, voted no. The result is that the bill died in the committee.”

Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.

He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede — as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor — that these babies, fully outside their mothers’ wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact “persons.”…

Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how “induced labor abortions” were handled at her hospital.

“One night,” she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, “a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down’s Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived.”

In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O’Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby’s rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a “homo sapiens” wholly emerged from his mother with a “beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles” should be treated as a “‘person,’ ‘human being,’ ‘child’ and ‘individual.’”

Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he was “unfazed” by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.

On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted “present” on each, effectively the same as a “no.”

The Federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act was passed in 2002 by 98-0. Obama was still in Illinois at the time.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted “no.”

Socialists are in favor of a smaller population in the USA. It’s no wonder the socialists are pro-abortion. They call it “pro-choice”, not “pro-abortion”, but the human being being killed has no “choice” in the matter.

Sorta’ like the punishment you get, passing gall/kidney-stones?

Sorta’ like the punishment you get, when that monsterous, evil alien comes rippin’ out of your body?

No wonder, Liberals have no problem plunging a syringe into the skull of a new-born infant, and sucking it’s brains out.

You shall not murder.
Exodus 20:13 (New King James Version)

There’s probably someone out there who’s saying, “Yeah, but what about “Christians” who bomb abortion clinics?” I say that those are not true Christians…they are wolves in sheep’s clothing…there is nothing Biblical about bombing an abortion clinic. Try using Love. Try supporting ministries that help young women, like Mercy Ministries.

“Many people are concerned with children of India, with the children of Africa where quite a few die of hunger, and so on. Many people are also concerned about the violence in this great country of the United States. These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is the greatest destroyer of peace today- abortion which brings people to such blindness.”

–Mother Teresa