The obligatory “punished with a baby” post Update from Ed: Our beautiful blessing

posted at 2:34 pm on March 30, 2008 by Allahpundit

Not one of my big issues but red meat for those for whom it is:

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” Obama said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

The basic point, i.e. “teen pregnancy is bad so let’s do what we can to avoid it,” is unobjectionable but this is at least worth a question at the next debate about whether he’d describe unwanted pregnancies among adults the same way. My hunch is people will be willing to cut him some slack because he’s talking about teens: Pregnancy’s more disruptive to a kid than to an adult, and we do after all presume as a matter of law that minors are too immature to make important decisions, so the idea of being “punished” by one’s own ignorance isn’t out of left field. Would he say the same thing about a 30-year-old, though? Anyone think he’ll be asked?

A better question would be to ask him what types of inconvenience caused by pregnancy don’t justify an abortion. Are there any? Many would agree that knocking a teenager out of school for a year or more is too high a price to bring a fetus to term. How about an adult who’d be out of work for a few months, on leave, to have the baby and then give it up for adoption? How about an adult who owns her own business or is independently wealthy and just doesn’t want to be bothered? Any objective standards of “punishment” here or are we going purely on ipse dixit?

As for rhetorically equating the baby itself with punishment, eh. All that proves, I think, is that the guy’s not that great without a script, which we already sort of knew. Then again, I agreed with InstaGlenn that the last Michelle Obama uproar was much ado about nothing so maybe my outrage meter’s out of whack. Plus, if there’s one thing we’ve learned from the left this past month, it’s that there are no accidents in presidential rhetoric. Exit question: Second look at finding Deep Significant Meaning in his choice of words?

Update (Ed): I have to add something to this thread. My son & daughter-in-law had our granddaughter, the Little Admiral, when they were 18 years old. None of us ever saw her as a “punishment”, not from God or hormones or the universe in general. While we would obviously have preferred that Mom and Dad had a little more preparation for life, we never thought of the new addition as anything other than a blessing.

How so? We saw our son blossom almost overnight into manhood. He threw himself into his new family. Our daughter-in-law spent most of the pregnancy on an IV, and he learned to install and maintain it for her. They fought their school administrators almost their entire senior year, helped along by their very supportive teachers; they threatened to sic truant officers on my son (who was getting the best grades in his life at the time) until I told the district superintendent that I would be calling every TV station in town to let them know that the administrators were pressuring my DIL to get an abortion.

In May, the Little Admiral turns 6, and my son and DIL will both graduate from college. She’ll be a teacher, while he wants to pursue post-graduate work in math and physics. It’s amazing to see what people can do when they accept blessings in their lives rather than treat new life as a “punishment”.

And if they’re reading this, I hope they know how proud both sets of parents are of them.


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No slack……..Murder is murder, doesn’t matter if you are a teen or an adult. Just because a teen makes a very stupid decision doesn’t mean the right or acceptable way to correct that decision is to kill an innocent person.

Yes the decision can and will have a profound impact on their lives, but nothing near the impact on their lives as loosing ones life for something they had no part in.

doriangrey on March 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Obama’s solution for the unwed mother problem among black females is, at his speech to NAACP in 07, more effective distribution of condoms.

IMO, he has no impression that young people can rise above rutting animals, and this solution might encourage them to wait just a second to slip one on. Given the authentic black music of rap, this may be true, but it is indeed sad to have already given up on the idea they can think and form themselves into responsible people who can control themselves.

No wonder they can’t learn, can’t hold jobs, shoot drugs and each other. Just a bunch of animals, not people, victimized by whitey. Right, Messiah?

Harry Schell on March 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Democrats recognize the (negative) worth of people like themselves.

Right_of_Attila on March 30, 2008 at 2:42 PM

I do think “punished” is a very odd choice of words, but as he thrives in the politics of victimization, not unexpected I suppose.

But what I really want to know is this:

Is something preventing Obama and Michelle from teaching their daughters about how to prevent pregnancy and STDs or is he expecting the government to do this for them?

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 2:44 PM

“Words mean something” to quote Obambi. There are a lot of little punishments running around the government dependent communities. I just told my 17yr. old son that he is his mother’s and my punishment for…uh …for…uh…well… Sorry,I can’t think like a liberal. Makes my hair hurt.

sheriff246 on March 30, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Obama doesn’t think parents of teenage girls ought to be notified that their kids want an abortion. Presumably the doc wouldnt advise the parents the kid has an std either.

As a state legislator he actively worked to preserve availability of abortion in all nine months of pregnancy. He opposed parental notification. He opposed any and all bans on partial birth abortion (an act that includes delivery of the baby up to the head, the crushing of the baby’s brain, the suctioning of the brain matter, and then completed delivery of the child’s deflated cranium.) In his run for the U.S. Senate Obama even asked his wife to pen a letter to Illinois voters that reassured them of his commitment to fighting for the right to butcher children in the womb.

JiangxiDad on March 30, 2008 at 2:50 PM

We’re punished with this Obaby.

profitsbeard on March 30, 2008 at 2:51 PM

We want the Official Mama Michelle POV here!

You tell us, Mama!

pilamaye on March 30, 2008 at 2:55 PM

No big deal for most voters, just a reminder that he thinks of babies as disposable tissue unless someone decides to let them live. Did anyone really not understand that already?

Also a reminder that he fully expects his daughters to be engaging in unprotected sexual contact at age 16 unless some teacher at school tells them not to.

Liberal Democrat Total Disregard for the Unborn – check.

Liberal-Democrat Total Abdication of Parental Responsibility to the State – check.

Move on, folks. Nothing to see here…

Jaibones on March 30, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Hmmm…. perhaps some of his parents words coming home to roost?

If you look at his childhood, this idea of children as punishment shows in the action of his parents… bet he heard it as a kid.

Romeo13 on March 30, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Allah, you served up some super prime Kobe-quality red meat there.

That bait is too good to touch!

Ares on March 30, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Punished by whom? To punish is a transitive verb. The object is the teen. Who or what is the subject? The baby? A baby, by its existence – its demand for resources and attention, punishes the mother for her mistake.

I am struggling to understand how this level of objectification of a human life is much different than, say, objectification of slaves.

A disruption to a good life plan, you bet. Punishment? Feels wrong to me.

shaken on March 30, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Exit question: Second look at finding Deep Significant Meaning in his choice of words?

Well, from the quote from the linked politico article he doesn’t leave much room “for debate with The Obama’s Proclamation”

…are there areas that we can agree to that everybody can get behind

– unless of course you disagree that abortion is “just a procedure to unburden people who knew the consequences” – so I think his wording is significant. He expects to have “unity” by having anyone who disagrees as “wrong” and thus “give in to HIS Audacity of Hoopla.”

{Glad there were abolitionists who didn’t give up so easily.}

Full quote from linked article:

This is an example where good people can disagree,” the Illinois senator said. “The question then is, are there areas that we can agree to that everybody can get behind? We can all agree that we want to reduce teen pregnancies. We can all agree that we want to make sure that adoption is a viable option.”

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 3:08 PM

There are probably zero voters in a dem primary who would find fault with his words. When the general comes he better be aware that the whole country isn’t liberal. It seems that he is faintly aware of this but not as much as he should be. If he understood that much of the electorate would find his pastor a nutter, he would have left before he announced for the presidency.

thatcher on March 30, 2008 at 3:13 PM

I am struggling to understand how this level of objectification of a human life is much different than, say, objectification of slaves.

shaken on March 30, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Let’s not bring logic into this by comparing slavery and abortion. Nevermind that the question of what is and what is not a human being with inalienable rights is the core of both issues. It’s not important what anyone thinks anyway. What’s important is how do you feel about it?

Just for fun, I know 2 ways to make a liberal’s head explode. The first is to tell them that if only Bill Clinton had resigned, it would have been worth enough votes in Fla and Bushitler would never have been president. The second is to explain that their own ideological progeny will view them the same way they view the antibellum South because of abortion. The definition of what is a human being entitled to full rights has only expanded over the last thousand years. Disqualifiers like parentage, land ownership, gender and race have fallen by the wayside.

Or maybe Obama thinks this solution might work with the homeless problem, or illegal aliens, or obesity. Someone inconveniences you? No problem, just abort them sometime before the 300th trimester.

trubble on March 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM

Punished with a baby? Does that say something about Obama’s morals? I wonder if Obama’s mother thought that she was punished with a baby?

Johan Klaus on March 30, 2008 at 3:27 PM

There is an ACLU lawyer, future pre-op transexual, vagina monologues reject, and 37yo 50cent homeboy, and all-around internet tough butch called Dylan Esper who mirrors Obama’s sentiment.

3. Jamie Lynn Spears is too young to be carrying her pregnancy to term.

Of course, she’s a celebrity, so her life will go on, but your average 16 year old who gets pregnant needs to get an abortion. Teen pregnacies ruin people’s lives.

More importantly, though, abortion is LEGAL– it is a fact of life. As long as it is LEGAL, it is a VERY good idea for people in Ms. Spears’ situation. Carrying the pregnancy to term, in contrast, effectively ends the hopes and ambitions of many teenage girls, as well as their right to gender equality.

The entirety of the abortion debate isn’t that pro-choicers don’t care about life, but that pro-lifers don’t care about the competing values (ESPECIALLY gender equality).

Eliminating sexism and promoting gender equality is FAR, FAR more important than saving the life of something that is similar to a tadpole and doesn’t even know or care that it is alive

pro-lifers consist of two groups of people: (1) people who think screwing over women in GOOD (because it was included by the ignorant authors of the Bible) and (2) people who think screwing over women may not be good but is ACCEPTABLE.

ninjapirate on March 30, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Margaret Sanger is wetting her panties in her grave.

SouthernGent on March 30, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Human beings aren’t punishments.

AbaddonsReign on March 30, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I want this man to keep running his mouth.

“PUNISHED with a baby”???????

Run with that Obama. Shout it from the mountain tops over and over again.

I’m telling you folks. By the time the general gets into full swing, Barry and Michelle will implode just by running their mouths.

The Dem’s have a hell of a mess on their hands.

Talon on March 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM

What’s really punishing our youth are two Democratic myths. 1) The safe sex myth — just take the right steps and you can have sex without danger. Perhaps they’d like to explain that a little more clearly to my 23 year-old student (of two years ago) who contracted aids. 2) The married two-parents aren’t necessary myth — anyone can raise kids with no problems. Wrong! Overwhelming evidence indicates social pathology, poverty and psychological problems await children of unmarried and single parents.

And if we push governmental policies supporting both the above behaviors, we’ll just get more people engaging in them. That’s simple behaviorism. (See Thorndike’s Law of Effect.) And we’ll also end up with bigger problems. And that, of course, is Democratic stupidity.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on March 30, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Someone made the comment on a blog I was reading – I think NRO – that we cannot just say “be responsible”, we have to have incentives in place for people to be responsible. This was stated in context with the housing situation. Instead of encouraging people to be responsible, otherwise they are going to lose their house, we are giving away handouts to those who were irresponsible. Thus, we actually have laws which are encouraging irresponsible behavior.

Same issue with illegal immigration. We don’t enforce our laws, so it actually encourages and emboldens illegals to come here, knowing they will just get amnesty and no real punishment.

Aren’t we doing the same thing here with our abortion laws? Aren’t we simply encouraging teens to have promiscuous sex? They are not being punished for their irresponsibility, the same way illegals are not punished and irresponsible house-buyers are not punished. We can’t simply say “be responsible”, there must be some sort of thing in place to encourage the responsible behavior.

But, but saying here’s some condoms and here’s some birth control pills and if that fails, hey just get an abortion, those are incentives to continue the irresponsible behavior.

Just something to think about.

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM

“Many would agree that knocking a teenager out of school for a year or more is too high a price to bring a fetus to term.”

Why is that too high a price? There are plenty of people who go back to school and earn a G.E.D. and then go on to succeed. Are “many” who agree to this saying that killing a baby is a better price to pay than a teenager forgoing her high school years? So she misses some dances and such and earns her GED later. So what? How is hat too high a price to save the life of a baby?

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Also, saying a baby=punishment is nothing compared to some discussions I have had with women who have told me proudly that they feel a baby is equivalent to an unwanted disease or a unwanted leech on her body, and thus she has every right to get rid of that leech and/or disease. The fact that diseases are not something one can always prevent, but pregnancies are 100% preventable made not a lick of difference in our discussion.

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Obama the Great really stepped in it. It is no news flash that the democrap party is all for any and all abortion. But this new twist, his words, will have them on their heels to defend him. Stand by for spin cycle; tornado sized.

Zorro on March 30, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Thanks for the update, Captain!

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM

What’s really punishing our youth are two Democratic myths.
1) The safe sex myth…
2) The married two-parents aren’t necessary myth…

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on March 30, 2008 at 3:41 PM

Ding Ding Ding – we have a winner! Best post of the day…

JustTruth101 on March 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Maybe he worried about his daughters getting pregnant and the father of the child runs off like so many others before him.

Kini on March 30, 2008 at 3:56 PM

To go along with Ed’s story, my mother was pregnant when she was 17 with my older brother. My brother is all over the yearbook signings. Everything worked out fine.

Submit the politico story to drudge if you haven’t already.

ninjapirate on March 30, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Bottom line, babies are not some form of punishment.

…We saw our son blossom almost overnight into manhood… It’s amazing to see what people can do when they accept blessings in their lives rather than treat new life as a “punishment”.

Well said Captain.

Zorro on March 30, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 3:42 PM

You are so right…to follow up on what you are stating here, I believe liberal thinking is very much psychologically rooted in satisfying a need similar to codependent satisfaction.

Almost all liberal policies enable behavior with consequences that would strongly discourage participants from continuing, but then the liberal policy reward kicks in to absolve the participant from the bad consequence, thereby perpetuating the behavior. Add welfare to the list of ills you stated…without welfare, people would be hungry, which is a fantastic motivator to go out and get a job. Without free and unfetttered abortion, people would think twice about having unsafe sex…the list goes on and on and on. ANd the liberals who want to “rescue people form their bad behavior are dependent upon that bad behavior so they can feel good about themselves by doing the rescuing. Just like all the votes for Obama, it makes liberals feel good to elect a man who wants to punish whitey because americans have built such a great society they feel guilty about it. Liberalism really is a mental disorder…I forget who said it, but man it is so true…

JustTruth101 on March 30, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Obama is a rovian plant to destroy the democrats. This guy is anidipt or evil or both.

elBarto on March 30, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Fantastic story, Ed!

Bob's Kid on March 30, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Congratulations on the “Little Admiral” – nothing so wonderful as a being a grandparent, so my mother says. Being an aunt ain’t so bad. Nephew can the adopted way b/c could not get preggers but that diminishes him in no way. He is so loved it’s fantastic!

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Nephew can came the adopted way b/c could brother and sis-in-law could not get preggers but that diminishes him in no way. He is so loved it’s fantastic!

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM

sorry, fixed.

Branch Rickey on March 30, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Aren’t we doing the same thing here with our abortion laws? Aren’t we simply encouraging teens to have promiscuous sex? They are not being punished for their irresponsibility, the same way illegals are not punished and irresponsible house-buyers are not punished. We can’t simply say “be responsible”, there must be some sort of thing in place to encourage the responsible behavior.

I should have stated here, instead of doing the same as Obama and making the equivalence of pregnancy as a “punishment”, that we need to be teaching that actions have consequences. Promiscuous sex leads to pregnancy. The pregnancy is not a “punishment”, but rather a consequence of actions taken.

So, in essence, our abortion laws and handing out condoms and birth control to teens is teaching them that their actions have no consequences.

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Oh, and as a high school teacher, I presently have two preggers students, and two with babies already. That’s about usual for my middle class suburban high school. Most of them, if they bother to care, stay in our traditional HS ’til they deliver. The district does have a special program for them if they care to enter it, but many don’t–although this teen parent program provides free child care for the parents to finish school, most prefer to stay in the comprehensive HS. Nobody cares much one way or another these days which choice they make, just that they stay in school.

It’s been that way as long as I have been teaching.

Bob's Kid on March 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Allah, I know that your views are often much more moderate than us right wing nuts on several issues. I’m cursed with seeing both sides on almost everything. Abortion is one issue I am uncompromising on and closed minded about. I have very little, if any “meet in the middle” on this issue.

The outrage meter should be dinging. Viewing a baby as “punishment” reveals a much deeper feeling about the entire issue. Of course, it isn’t surprising he views abortion this way. He is a liberal.

Jay on March 30, 2008 at 4:15 PM

JustTruth101 on March 30, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Thank you. You explained my point much better than I did. :)

Michael in MI on March 30, 2008 at 4:16 PM

None of us ever saw her as a “punishment”

Hmmm, Ed. I distinctly remember you complaining – loudly, when the Little Admiral almost neutered you while bouncing in your lap…

Blake on March 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM

So babies are now “punishment”. What a classy guy.

The Messiah seems to have some SERIOUS problems with babies.

He unconditionally supports partial birth abortion and has been called “the most pro-choice candidate ever”. As a state senator he even advocated the killing of LIVING babies outside the womb.

His banshee wife even distributed brochures by mail defending Tiller “the Baby Killer”, the notorious partial-birth abortion doctor.

I mean, my God. Imagine if we had politicians in this country that were as dedicated to important issues as Barack Obama is dedicated to killing babies. Imagine.

Jungliszt on March 30, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Well sed Ed. I was thinking. Romeo and Juliet. About 15/16 years old. Teen pregnancy? As old as mankind. Talk about spitting into the wind. When did being a family become a tragedy?

ronsfi on March 30, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I give no slack here, this comment goes to (and comes from) the very heart of modern American liberalism that sees the natural consequences of poor decisions as “punishment.”

We have to have needle exchanges so someone isn’t “punished” for shooting up heroin. Parents shouldn’t be “punished” for having too many kids so we should have the government look after the kids and the kids shouldn’t be “punished” for their parents bad decisions so the rest of us should look after them. Homeless people shouldn’t be “punished” by being run out of the parks that they infest.

The list goes on and on, but in none of the situations do the consequences for the bad decision simply go away. Instead, the responsibility gets shifted; offloaded onto someone else. In the case of government childcare, the responsibility is shifted to the taxpayers, in the case of a father who refuses to look after the kids he created, the consequences are born by the children, etc. And the more we shift responsibility off of the people who make the bad decisions, the less responsible they become.

Abortion is America’s way of proving just how far we will go to avoid responsibility for our actions. The Social Security mess has proven that we will offload responsibility to save for retirement on to our children. The collapse of the nuclear family and high divorce rate proves that we will abandon our kids because we don’t want our decisions to cramp our lifestyle. But abortion proves that we will actually go so far as to kill our own children to avoid the consequences of our actions.

29Victor on March 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Update from Ed: Our beautiful blessing

Ditto, Ed.

My wife and I had been married for 3 years before we welcomed our blessing. At the time, I had just finished my PhD and was starting a postdoctoral fellowship in genetics while my wife had been working at Pharmicia and Upjohn for 6 months. We decided to move back to our home state of Michigan because we knew we wanted to start a family. My wife was living and working in Michigan while I finished my thesis. When I did rejoin her, she had been telling me about some weird symptoms she had been having such as craving fruit and vegetables and being repulsed/nauseated by meat and onions. Her mother had told her a few months previous that she was pregnant, but my wife, the strong-headed woman that she is, told her mother that she was crazy.

Around the time of my birthday in February of 2001, I implored her to take a pregnancy test. It was positive. It was sooooo positive that my wife did not believe it so I went to a different pharmacy and bought a different test. Again, positive. We could not have been any happier. We figured that she was at most 3 months pregnant. During the first ultrasound, the technician told us that she was at 27 weeks. Wow. What a shock! The following weekend, we started looking to buy a house. We had planned on buying a house anyway but were living in an apartment on a temporary basis.

Things changed dramatically the following week. My wife had her first visit with the OB/GYN. While she was there the doctor found that her pulse was extremely high and her platelets were low….all signs of pre-eclampsia. The doctor told her to immediately go to the hospital for an emergency C-section. I was in my second week of working at my postdoctoral fellowship (8th day to be specific) when I received a frantic voice message on my cell phone that said, “They have to deliver me tonight. I’m in Kalamazoo at Bronson. Come find me.” The reason for the voice message is that my cell phone did not receive signal in the research building. I left my experiments are sped from Grand Rapids to Kalamazoo.

When I finally arrived, I ran through the hospital until I found the delivery unit. When I gave my name to the nurses behind the desk, they kindly took me to my wife’s run. The perinatalogist was there conducting a few tests. One test, a blood clotting test, was being done. After 5 minutes my wife’s blood was not clotting indicating that she could possibly bleed to death if she tried to maintain the pregnancy. The only choice was to deliver the baby premature (28 weeks gestation). In a little while I was given surgical scrubs and a mask to change into and shown how to scrub my hands and arms. As my wife was being wheeled into the OR, the last words she said to me were, “If it’s a girl, name her Jillian.” Not, “I love you” or anything like that. I chuckled and said, “I love you, too” and gave her a kiss.

After the surgeons had started the C-section, I was brought in to sit between my wife and the incubator that was waiting for our little one. At 8:52 PM we welcomed a 2.2 pound, 14.5 inch long baby into our family. It was not as easy afterwards as is sometimes shown on TV. Our baby had to spend an extra month and half after the delivery in the NICU. The baby had pulmonary hypertension and was on a ventilator for the first few weeks. Slowly things started to improve. Weight was being gained. The ventilator was replaced with a CPAP and finally a nasal canula. We did have several setbacks. The baby was diagnosed with very minor bleeding in the brain. Later, we found out that the baby was diagnosed with a cerebral palsy.

We finally got to welcome our addition to our home (that we purchased while the baby was in the hospital). Since the baby was on oxygen, around-the-clock care was needed. My wife took 3 months FMLA to care for our fragile infant. Once the 3 months was up, it was up to me. I had been making progress on my research, but I told my boss that it was either I work part-time at nights or nothing at all because it was my turn to be the caregiver. For the next 7 months, I cared for our baby during morning (4 AM feedings were rough!), day, and afternoon while my wife worked. Since my wife were for a big, evil pharma, she was our main breadwinner. I would go to work from 5-9PM every evening during the week and work one day on the weekends to keep my experiments moving forward. This is when my caffeine addiction started.

Because of the baby’s medical conditions, we were going to the neonatalogist’s office once every 4 weeks. Because of the slight cerebral palsy, we were going to physical therapy once a week at the hospital and had therapy once a week in our home. Every day I would do stretching exercise with an infant that was stiff as a board. The baby continued to grow and eventually no longer required oxygen. This was great news to us since we could not travel long distances. After the baby was discharged from using oxygen, we traveled to my hometown to visit my grandfather (a WWII Navy vet) who was on his deathbed at a VA hospital. I was so happy to see his smiling face (and tears of joy) when he saw his great grandchild 3 weeks before his death. My grandfather had been suffering for years with congestive heart failure. We were certain he was hanging on long enough to see his great grandchild.

As life goes, it is always changing. Pharmacia and Upjohn, where my wife had worked, was “acquired” by Pfizer. She lost her position with the company. Fortunately, she was able to find a new job…..with Eli Lilly in Indianapolis. So we moved our family here 5 years ago. Life has been good even though we are farther away from our family than we would like. A child has continued to grow. We did notice that there were a few changes that we could not quite figure out. We knew our child was behind other kids of the same age since walking did not happen until almost 2 years of age and talking was limited. Because of the way in which our child entered the world, special services from our school district were provided. A child was able to attend a developmental preschool. Before entering kindergarten, our child was evaluated by a school counselor. The most devastating news was given to us. Our child was diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. Through intensive work with physical and language teachers our child is thriving in first grade with kids of the same age.

I failed to mention that my daughter’s name is Jillian.

Do I consider everything I, my wife and family have been through with Jillian a punishment? Not in the least.

For what was once a bleak future on that cold evening in 2001 has turned into a future of hope and happiness. I could not have been happier when our daughter was wearing a sombrero and eating a sopapilla at Don Pablo’s to celebrate her 7th birthday this past Friday.

Barry O should really choose his words more carefully. This is another reason why I will not vote for this disingenuous SOB.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM

It’s always seemed to me that the entire “pro-life” idea is to punish the “whore” for having sex. While I certainly do think teenage girls should be strongly encouraged to have an abortion, I don’t see any reason why a thirty old business owner should be stopped because she is wealthy and could afford a child.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

God Bless you and your family, Dr. Cwac!

/wipes tears

Bob's Kid on March 30, 2008 at 4:58 PM

❤ Jillian ❤

RushBaby on March 30, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Apparently…

BLACK MEN CAN’T BOWL…

…or teach young daughters or sons that creating a child is not a punishment but, rather, a – GASP - responsibility.

Lockstein13 on March 30, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Curious,

Obama is left handed.

Reagan was and Bill Clinton is left handed also.

A lefty, (only 10%?) notices this.

esblowfeld on March 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM

It’s always seemed to me that the entire “pro-life” idea is to punish the “whore” for having sex.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

…and I always thought idea of the abolitionist movement was to punish Southern plantation owners for growing cotton.

29Victor on March 30, 2008 at 5:24 PM

I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Then make sure you teach them that they will not effectively prevent STD’s by using condoms. IOW, tell them the truth, don’t lull them with the, “safe sex,” myth.

JannyMae on March 30, 2008 at 5:28 PM

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Thuja, you speak for many liberals that I’ve known over the years.

We can understand Obama’s comments from the standpoint of his education in the Ivy League. An unplanned pregnancy derails a carefully cultivated career plan and is therefore a tragedy of the highest order (according to that view). I remember meeting exactly one unwed mother during my years as an undergraduate at an Ivy League school. She was in the school of liberal arts, studying English. We met in a class taught by a radical lesbian feminist. I was the lone conservative in the class and could not have been more different in personality and political views from this single mother. But as immature as I was at the time, I still found her vaguely inspirational. My classmates, however, treated her as if she was from another planet. She disturbed their assumptions of what should have been done (i.e. an abortion).

Obama won’t pay for this comment in the primaries. His people agree with him.

On a more personal note, Allahpundit, I can fully understand why this isn’t really your issue. It wasn’t mine until I had kids.

Anton on March 30, 2008 at 5:33 PM

As a state senator, the big O voted against the born alive act. This law would have required life saving measures to be conducted in the event of a live birth after a botched abortion.
This man is nothing but evil.

rockdalian on March 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Thuja, you speak for many liberals that I’ve known over the years.

Just for the record, I’m pretty gosh darn conservative. Yes, I may be pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-environment, and have artsy friends, but I’m to the right of Dick Cheney on economic issues, to the right of the NRA, strongly pro-death penalty and tough on crime, anti-gambling, anti-Islam, pro-military, pro-USA, and pro-Israel.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 5:43 PM

It’s always seemed to me that the entire “pro-life” idea is to punish the “whore” for having sex.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I’m speechless.

Connie on March 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM

“Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM”

My son came into this world early as well, but not to the extent of your beautiful Jillian.

Just this morning, my proud and pretentious 5 1/2 year old said…… “Hey Dad, look at my butt!”

Of course, I cried with pride.

“It’s amazing to see what people can do when they accept blessings in their lives rather than treat new life as a “punishment”.”

Hey Obama, your platitudes are your own. Pander to who you may, but to those of us who have the gift of God known as children, it is not “punishment”, it is not a “mistake”, it is what it is…. a gift from Heaven, alive on Earth.

Seven Percent Solution on March 30, 2008 at 6:15 PM

Thuja- That was crude. The entire pro-life thing? It’s all about the mother? Nothing at all to do with protecting innocent life? Nothing to do with perpetuating ourselves? At best, abortion is a hugely complex issue for a society. You reduce it to a dental cleaning.

Btw, I don’t know your age, but assume you’re youngish. At some point you’ll come to see it’s hardly all about you. In fact, it’s not about you at all.

JiangxiDad on March 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I was trying to think of how I would respond to AP’s thread here, then I read Ed’s update.

You said it all pard! And you sound like a very lucky man.

conservnut on March 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

I don’t see abortion as complex. Two humans enter an abortuary and one leaves alive. Simple.

Mojave Mark on March 30, 2008 at 6:28 PM

JiangxiDad on March 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Perfect.

Talon on March 30, 2008 at 6:31 PM

considering how pro-abortion Barry Obama is, its not surprising

Drunk Report on March 30, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Is this a statement Obama made today in PA? I can’t find corroboration for this quote.

Amy Proctor on March 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM

I have to add something to this thread.

It’s easy to believe that a team member wanted to add something to the thread; however, it seems scarcely possible that he had to add something. Such claims of necessity serve their purpose only when they’re plausible.

Generally speaking, when one blogger puts an addendum on another blogger’s post, he seems to overlook the possibility that the post is already exactly what the author thinks it should be, and he seems to convey that he thinks the author’s post is deficient, that he thinks he can improve it, and that he thinks his own judgment is dispositive, not the author’s judgment, and not anyone else’s. All of that seems presumptuous and, as Nietzsche observes somewhere, while presumption often brings an immediate benefit, it also often does one greater harm in the long run.

Imagining myself in an author’s place, I think I’d be wroth if, for example, I’d written an impersonal analysis of a candidate’s gaffe and someone else turned it into a highly personal reflection, complete with a shout-out to his homies at the end. But I imagine I’d tolerate that and much else besides in the comments section, where it’s expected that readers will reply as each thinks best.

Kralizec on March 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM

So, according to Obama, I am a mistake, and my mother was punished with me when she was a teen. I should have been punished instead – maybe by being dismembered alive. That’s the Obama choice.

Carol on March 30, 2008 at 6:39 PM

It’s always seemed to me that the entire “pro-life” idea is to punish the “whore” for having sex.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Wow, that was a bit on the nasty side. Pro-life means respecting mom and baby and protecting them both. Once there is new life, there is no longer just mom to be considered.

The pro-abortion position expects us to reconcile two completely opposite ideas – prenatal care and deliberate destruction of any fetus at anytime. Why do we in medicine work so hard to protect one developing fetus (and risk legal consequences if anything goes wrong) but the same fetus in a less welcoming womb is fair game for destruction? Biologically, their situations are identical; it is only our artificial overlay of a legal definition that one is disposable that creates a difference. The underlying biology does not change.

I was happy to see the sonogram scene in “Juno” where the sono tech was soundly chastised for disparaging teenagers who keep their babies. It is much more difficult and takes much more courage to live with the consequences of your behavior and “Juno” did a good job of showing how difficult does not equal impossible.

inmypajamas on March 30, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Imagining myself in an author’s place, I think I’d be wroth if, for example, I’d written an impersonal analysis of a candidate’s gaffe and someone else turned it into a highly personal reflection, complete with a shout-out to his homies at the end.

Imagining myself in your place, I think it would be time for a break from the computer and some fresh air if my chief concern on a character defining issue like this was blog etiquette.

Jungliszt on March 30, 2008 at 7:17 PM

I always thought the “punishment” was a good thing. If you do something this blatantly stupid, you don’t deserve a bailout. Yes, if your idiot daughters are living like hermits and don’t know what condoms are despite being able to buy one for a quarter at a gas station bathroom, they deserve some form of punishment.

Capitana on March 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Abortion is murder.Captain Ed my wife and I share almost the same story.For Obama to say mistake or punishment no
wonder,just look at what his church is preaching.

And if Obamas church isn’t preaching mistake and punishment
for a girl who becomes pregnant,then I apologize!

canopfor on March 30, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Many would agree that knocking a teenager out of school for a year or more is too high a price to bring a fetus to term. How about an adult who’d be out of work for a few months, on leave, to have the baby and then give it up for adoption?

Um….well, “many” would vehemently disagree, as well.
Let’s try this wording out instead and see how it sounds:

Many would agree that knocking a teenager out of school for a year or more is too high a price to bring a fetus to term let her baby live instead of having him or her brutally and painfully slaughtered.

As AbbandonsReign put it so well,

Human beings aren’t punishments.
AbaddonsReign on March 30, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Ed’s story is inspiring and awesome, and canopfor’s sounds the same. Many parents of sick or disabled children make the same point Ed made about the adversity in this or a similar situation (and, no question, it can be really grueling) making the entire rest of the family better people, including the brothers and sisters who, for example, mature very quickly putting themselves out daily to help with, say, a disabled child.

The point is: you don’t purposely kill human beings to solve problems. Especially little innocent children. Not even to solve the problems of a vulnerable teenager. There are better ways.

inviolet on March 30, 2008 at 8:55 PM

It’s always seemed to me that the entire “pro-life” idea is to punish the “whore” for having sex.

thuja on March 30, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Perhaps if you’d actually listened to some prolifers, or spent even one day in a Crisis Pregnancy Center (why don’t you try it sometime; you’ll never look at prolifers the same way again) you wouldn’t be saddled with these unfortunate misconceptions, no pun intended.

inviolet on March 30, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 30, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Dr. Cwac.Cwac: Beautiful post. Thank you for sharing that story.

inviolet on March 30, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Kralizec on March 30, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Do you have a lecture prepared on what the meaning of is is?

Buy Danish on March 30, 2008 at 9:23 PM

“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you live as you wish”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM

“I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself.”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM

“And if we can accept that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:39 PM

“By abortion the Mother does not learn to love, but kills her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, that father is told that he does not have to take any responsibilty at all for the child he has brought into the world. The father is likely to put other women to the same trouble. So abortion leads to more abortion.”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:39 PM

“Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:40 PM

“Many people are concerned with children of India, with the children of Africa where quite a few die of hunger, and so on. Many people are also concerned about the violence in this great country of the United States. These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is the greatest destroyer of peace today- abortion which brings people to such blindness.”

Mother Teresa

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM

You shall not murder.
Exodus 20:13 (New King James Version)

There’s probably someone out there who’s saying, “Yeah, but what about “Christians” who bomb abortion clinics?” I say that those are not true Christians…they are wolves in sheep’s clothing…there is nothing Biblical about bombing an abortion clinic. Try using Love. Try supporting ministries that help young women, like Mercy Ministries.

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 9:44 PM

“Punished with a baby” ?

Sorta’ like the punishment you get, passing gall/kidney-stones?

Sorta’ like the punishment you get, when that monsterous, evil alien comes rippin’ out of your body?

No wonder, Liberals have no problem plunging a syringe into the skull of a new-born infant, and sucking it’s brains out.

franksalterego on March 30, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Ed and Dr.Cwac.Cwac, thank you both so much for sharing your stories.

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Do you realize that abortion in the USA helps send money to socialist governments? It’s true. Abortion in the USA results in not enough children available to meet the needs of those parents looking to adopt. So, those parents go to other countries to adopt children. Where do they go? Places like China, Vietnam, Russia. They pay fees in the tens of thousands of dollars to those governments in order to adopt those children.

Socialists are in favor of a smaller population in the USA. It’s no wonder the socialists are pro-abortion. They call it “pro-choice”, not “pro-abortion”, but the human being being killed has no “choice” in the matter.

Red Pill on March 30, 2008 at 10:02 PM

There’s more and it’s even worse on Obama and abortions. My emphasis.

Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.

He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede — as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor — that these babies, fully outside their mothers’ wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact “persons.”…

Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how “induced labor abortions” were handled at her hospital.

“One night,” she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, “a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down’s Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn’t bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived.”

In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O’Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby’s rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a “homo sapiens” wholly emerged from his mother with a “beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles” should be treated as a “‘person,’ ‘human being,’ ‘child’ and ‘individual.’”

Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he was “unfazed” by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.

On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted “present” on each, effectively the same as a “no.”

The Federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act was passed in 2002 by 98-0. Obama was still in Illinois at the time.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted “no.”

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM

And here’s more:

When Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate in 2003, Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. The Born Alive Infants bill and an amendment to add exactly the language Boxer said protected Roe in the federal bill (which President Bush had signed into law in 2002) was referred to this committee.

According to the records made by committee Republicans, the amendment to include in the Illinois bill the language Boxer said protected Roe was approved by a 10 to zero vote of the committee. (This vote, Republicans say, was a common procedural courtesy extended to the sponsoring senator.) The bill as amended was then put to a committee vote. It lost four to six, with Obama voting “no.”

“I just read a copy of the Illinois Senate Republican Staff analysis on SB 1082 (93rd General Assembly), and, contrary to the bill status report on the Illinois General Assembly Website, it shows the bill — as amended — was in fact called for a vote in committee on a motion to recommend the bill for passage to the whole Senate,” former Sen. Winkel, now an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois College of Law, wrote me in an email. “That motion failed 4-6-0 along party lines, and the chairman, then state Sen. Barack Obama, voted no. The result is that the bill died in the committee.”

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Amanda Carpenter wrote on Obama and the Born Alive Infants bill in 2006: Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL

When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, “Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act … floor debate served to clarify the bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v. Wade or a woman’s right to choose.”

She goes on to add some more from Stanek:

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”

As a senator, Obama has opposed measures to criminalize those who transport minors across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

At a townhall meeting in Ottawa, Ill., Joanne Resendiz, a teacher and mother of five, asked him: “How are you going to vote on this, keeping in mind that 10, 15 years down the line your daughters, God forbid, could be transported across state lines?”

Obama said: “The decision generally is one that a woman should make.”

There’s an emotional remoteness from his own children reflected in his statement that is his chilling.

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Thank for those quotes from Mother Theresa, Red Pill. She expresses my sentiment much more eloquently than I ever could about this contemporary atrocity.

Jungliszt on March 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM

I’ll admit it; there was once a time that I believed my daughter was punishment brought on by my behavior. I was more liberal at the time, and when I found out I was pregnant at 19 (by noone-knows-who) I thought I could just get an abortion and be done with it. I chickened out; too scared to be pregnant and too afraid to do anything about it. I was military, and I had an admittedly irrational fear that I would get in trouble with my command if I had a medical procedure done without permission. In the end, I decided to continue my pregnancy, with the intention of giving the baby up for adoption.

Things, predictably, did not go as I planned. I ended up meeting and falling in love with my future husband, who convinced me without knowing to keep my baby. By embracing me, hugely pregnant and all, he helped me realize that while I had made some mistakes, something wonderful had happened. He was there the night my daughter was born; we had been dating for about two months.

It’s been a little rough, I’m still a little embarressed about not knowing who the biological father of my daughter is, and she has a different last name from the rest of us (oh, and she’s my clone, which brings a whole new level of difficulty into the game). I cannot imagine my life without her, and every day she finds a way to amaze me (sometimes positively!). She is no longer a punishment to me. A five-year-old pain in the tuckus, but also my little princess (and such a Daddy’s girl). I feel like vomiting every time I remember I wanted to murder her, and I’ve never been so happy to have been so scared.

Many know I’m not religious; my views about abortion stem from my views of personal responsibility. I learned my lesson – if you don’t want a baby (or STD), don’t have sex (or use 5 forms of BC). Every action has a consequence, and babies are consequences, not punishments, for having sex.

If my husband reads this, thank you honey. I can never say it enough – Thank you for saving Sophie, and saving me.

the goddess anna on March 30, 2008 at 10:43 PM

“I am going to give him a pass,” third story AP where you gave BO a pass, hmmm . . .

koolbrease on March 31, 2008 at 4:30 AM

>The Federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act was passed in 2002 by 98-0. Obama was still in Illinois at the time.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted “no.”

INC on March 30, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Shocka. Not really. I’m more shocked that there is something on record from Barry’s time in the Illinois legislature.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 31, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Thank you to everyone for the kind words.

The point of my story is that children are not a form of punishment. They are gifts and blessings. Something that in its very essence is innocent, having no choice in being created, can never be a punishment.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 31, 2008 at 9:28 AM

You are obviously a very good parent, AP. It sounds like your son turned out to be a fine young man. He must be proud to have you as his Father.

PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on March 31, 2008 at 9:40 AM

This, along with the long string of evidence that keeps falling out of the back of the Obama bus, is proof that the man is a doctrinaire leftist/Marxist. I’m thinking Mugabe-lite.

We better figure out how to shut this man down legislatively, and fast. He’s going to win the White House, should he get the nomination, and we have to be ready to fight him on the ground. Our best hope is that Obama is Bubba part deux, that he can be redirected with enough focused opposition; that’s only possible if we have boots on the ground.

spmat on March 31, 2008 at 11:02 AM

I have always been amazed about the ‘need’ for more sex education and ‘information’. What kids need to know is that they need some self-control and should ‘not’ have sex until they are truly ready for the consequences. How many 13-14 year-olds in this society need any how-to education about sex? The how-not education should be why wait and the value that comes with waiting. Does drug/alcohol/smoking education begin with assuming kids will use drugs, therefore we tell them how to buy/use/manage drug use? What happened to ‘just say no’?

What information does Obama want his daughter to know? When sex and babies are NOT connected as cause and effect. morality falls apart. Comprehensive ’sex education’ teaches how to have sex without having babies. This perspective can be refuted with a variety of perpectives: religious, emotional, psychological, moral. When sex education teaches that sex and babies are NOT directly related, but a ‘punishment’ for not having an abortion, the whole social foundation for raising children and families in a loving environment disappears. In its place we find abortion, divorce, abuse, and poverty. Sadly, this is the real goal of liberal democrats, socialists, and the pro-choice crowd. By assuming irresponsible sex in teens is natural and dis-assocciating sex and babies, liberals seek to undermine and cut the one true, undeniable connection between sex and babies that has true meaning: love. When we teach our children to cheapen and deny love, we slowly take away our (and their) humanity.

In the novel/movie Dune, the mark of a true human was someone who could endure extreme pain, overcoming the animal urge to cut off the source of the pain. It is precisely our ability to control our basic animal instincts that makes us human. As human beings, we can overcome the basic urges, sex, hunger, pain, sleep, even survival, for those we love. This is what our children (and society) need to learn. It is this war between true love and selfishness that lies at the root of the abortion issue, and will determine the future of our society, nation, and world.

jerseyman on March 31, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Abortion is just another tool invented by men to keep women pacified and subjugated; it allows men to have sex whenever they want with no consequences, and forces all the guilt on the woman, whether she chooses to carry the child or abort it. Almost all sexual acts outside of marriage are acts of rape in this sense – the woman does NOT have equal power, even if she “consents,” because she will disproportionately bear the consequences if a child is conceived.

When will we women realize that the power to reproduce and the power to grant or withold our sexual favor is THE power in the world? We hold the power to produce heirs for our husbands, to propagate the species, to create tomorrow’s leaders and the future generations that will care for us when we get old. We hold the power to deny men the one thing they cannot live without. Yet we ask nothing in return for giving up that power. And somehow “feminists” have decided that booting that power is “liberating” for women, and that babies are “punishment” for our “mistakes.” Leave aside all the “pro-life” arguments against abortion; whether you think it is murder or not, it is certainly the wrong way to empower women.

I swear, it kills me how women have let men make the rules so they can have sex whenever they want with no inconvenience or messy consequences. Even gay men have successfully lobbied for massive government subsidies for AIDS drugs and vaccines so they can have unnatural sex whenever they want with no consequences, instead of just using protection to prevent disease. Now in the wake of the Eliot Spitzer scandal, men even want to legalize prostitution so the “stigma” will go away. Millions of men watch porn on the Internet or in movies all the time. Women allow themselves to be exploited in these media and law enforcement does nothing.

Does anyone really think this is social “progress?” We are becoming a sick society of men obsessed with sex and feeling entitled to get it or watch it anytime they want with no hassle, and women who give it away for nothing. Far from liberating women, it has futher objectified us as little more than sex dolls for men. And in the process we have killed 40 million babies who were just “collateral damage.” I weep when I think about this.

If women had been as successful as men in getting what we want, we would not be denying motherhood but embracing it and DEMANDING that the world embrace it. We would have employer-provided child care, mandatory paid parental leave, huge tax relief for parents, year-round schools, and many other social adjustments so that women who choose life are honored and supported, rather than fired and stigmatized and impoverished. There would be condom machines everywhere and every man would carry one all the time or be ridiculed and denied. Porn and prostitution would be illegal and punished severely.

Women have the POWER here. We need to use it! Just say NO to abortion, prostitution, porn, and unhealthy birth control drugs. Say NO to sex if you don’t really want it! If you do, make that man use a condom if he wants it. And for God’s sake, have the baby if you get pregnant anyway, and don’t let the world or some idiot liberal politician define you as “stupid” or your baby as “punishment”!!!

I’ll bet you will never hear Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama talk about this kind of REAL empowerment for women!

rockmom on March 31, 2008 at 3:26 PM

In May, the Little Admiral turns 6, and my son and DIL will both graduate from college. She’ll be a teacher, while he wants to pursue post-graduate work in math and physics. It’s amazing to see what people can do when they accept blessings in their lives rather than treat new life as a “punishment”.

Quote of the day, I daresay. Yeah, Hotair.com can’t quote itself but as much as I could argue for Obama’s side, I can argue this side just as well.

HotAirJosef on March 31, 2008 at 7:07 PM

Beautiful story, Ed.

adamsweb on March 31, 2008 at 8:26 PM

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