Video: Chicago’s got a fever and the only prescription is more Jeremiah Wright!
posted at 2:35 pm on March 29, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Recognize the tool with his hand to his ear, encouraging the thunderous cheers for Rev. “America created AIDS”? I only know him by name, from his highly nuanced admonition to a gun-shop owner last year that he’d better “hide like a rat” before the forces of peace and tolerance “snuff” him out. The boss has all the background you need — and you do need it, believe me. The more this atheist hears from Obama’s clerical pals, the more intrigued I am. Did I miss some key passages in the gospels growing up Catholic? Chickens “roosting” in the form of jets exploding into office towers, ideological opponents being hunted down like rodents — it’s a new, exciting side to Christianity!
Exit question quotation: “I think there is a big difference between expressing the pain and anger that many African Americans and other people of color may feel versus language that I think now crosses the line and goes into hate.” Click the image to watch.
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I’m not even going to listen, and go out on a limb and assume that it’s conservatives who are engaging in “hate speech” again?
funky chicken on March 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Heh. No, but Wright & Co. obviously missed some of Jesus’ teachings.
amerpundit on March 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM
This is Chicago. This is the politics. This is the community. This is the anti-American, progressive, far-left, culture of the South Side. This is Jeremiah Wright. This is Michele Obama. This is Barack Obama. HE MEANT EVERY WORD.
D0WNT0WN on March 29, 2008 at 2:47 PM
yo AP:
howard dean got a standing o when he SCREEEEEEEEEEAMED.
obama and wright and hillary and edwards have their fans.
unabashed left-wing postmodenrists who think they know better than the rest of us.
reliapundit on March 29, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Oh wait! You are evil. This is what is wrong with our God Inspired Nation. You (AllahP) hate god. This is a man of god. A christian and so, inspired by god, can not be wrong. The gods tell him what to say. Right? If I’m against Rev. Wright, then I am spawn of satan.
Or, let me get this right.
Some God worshipers good.
Some God worshipers evil.
All Atheists, evil.
Just checkin’
ronsfi on March 29, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Hate spewing Imams have nothing on these “Christian” creatures.
Hijacking a religion is what you’ve got right here. Maybe this is where the myth that Islam has been hijacked comes from.
BL@KBIRD on March 29, 2008 at 2:53 PM
The so-called Catholic priest, Father Plague-er, is a long time extreme leftist in Chicago. He has been a champion against guns and in favor of illegal immigration. So, his support of Obama is no surprise.
Warner Todd Huston on March 29, 2008 at 2:55 PM
The Rev. however, has moved himself out of Chicago, to a predominantly White surburb right next to mine. His 1.5 million dollar house is under construction and he will be living among “garlic noses” and all the rest of us honkies in the burbs.
These idiots in his church should be throwing rotten tomatoes at him for his actions. He spent over 30 years dissing the honkies in an effort to get their hard earned money. Now look where he chooses to spend his money and his retirement, right in the middle of all those blue eyed devils who invented AIDS to kill helpless, innocent black folks. He’ll shop out here and entertain out here, putting their money into White hands. How stupid can these people be? The Catholic priest saga is a whole story in itself. All he’s ever wanted for Christmas was to be turned into a black guy. He even has a ghetto dialect. What a tool.
UnEasyRider on March 29, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Wrigt is gonna hang over Obama like a buzzard and will kill him in the “RED” states. Game set match MCcain.
TroubledMonkey on March 29, 2008 at 3:07 PM
This fool is smart enough to know he would only get a taste of the hatred he creates if he stays where he is.
TroubledMonkey on March 29, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Holy crow! I can’t believe this guy is a Catholic priest. I wonder what he has to say about Obama’s record on abortion.
mikeyboss on March 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Good to know these purveyors of peace are tax-exempt.
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM
It doesn’t matter how much you win in a state. Take or lose a state, you take or lose it all.
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 3:12 PM
I’m Catholic, and don’t know anyone who believes this.
mikeyboss on March 29, 2008 at 3:13 PM
why do american blacks feel uniquely victimized when the truth is that they’re uniquely privelaged??
its not because of slavery, because 100% of the flipping world had slavery and america was the only one to fight a costly and bloody civil war to END it.
so what. the. eff???
Drunk Report on March 29, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Follow AP’s link to Malkin’s site, scroll down, and at the bottom, she gives a blog link from a Jill Stanek, who is apparently a pro-life activist, knows a bit about the priest and answers your question. Also, read the comments in Jill’s blog from supporters of Obama and the priest.
a capella on March 29, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Obama is going to set race relations in this country back by decades before this is over.
AZCoyote on March 29, 2008 at 3:22 PM
It has nothing to do with your being raised Catholic. It also has nothing to do with being Episcolpalian, Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist, Pentacostal, or any other Christian sect — but you ARE missing a fundamental truth.
What you fail to understand is that 95% (a guess) of what passes for “Christianity” has everything to do with man, and practically nothing to do with God. Jesus did NOT intend for it to be this way, but THAT is what man has turned His message into. The perversion of Christianity in NO way reflects badly on Jesus or His message, but in fact, only serves to vindicate his claims that ALL are sinners and have turned away from God. People (like the Rev. Wright) that pervert His message and then claim to speak on behalf of God do NOT represent the church that Jesus spoke of. Very nearly nothing good can come from organized religion — and organized religion is NOT the same thing as Christianity. Organized religion is a thing of man, not of God. Jesus Himself reserved His harshest words for the religious leaders of His day (His days on earth, I mean), and thus, He was not an advocate for the Rev. Wrights (hypocrites) of His era.
The worst thing that has ever happened in all of human history occurred on the day that Constantine decreed that the Christian faith as the offical religion of the Roman Empire. That event was the beginning of Satan’s MOST sustained and successful attack of the message of the Gospels. The perversion and corruption of God’s message of salvation has continued to this day. This is because goverment, Roman or otherwise, is all about the concerns of man, while the Christian faith is all about the spiritual things of God. The two are mutually exclusive (IMHO).
If you want blame God for all of this, you are far less conservative than you lead yourself to believe. A fundamental tenet of conservative thought is the notion of personal responsibility. The blame for the corruption of the Christian faith lies squarely with the human heretics of ALL of the last 20 centuries, not with God. It was humans, and their foolish ambition, pride, greed, stupidity, debauchery, lechery, and all other manners of wickedness that have introduced and perpetuated the heresies found in today’s organized religions.
Thus, I implore you to stop perpetuating the myth that Christianity is the same thing as organized religion. If you continue to provoke me thusly, I will be forced to introduce you to my very OWN peculiar sect of Christianity, viz. “Klingon Warriors for Jesus” — and keep in mind that we “lay on hands — WITHOUT prayer.”
My collie says:
CyberCipher on March 29, 2008 at 3:28 PM
I am starting to think that ALL people are finally waking up to the fact that affirmative action stinks, EVERYONE has opportunity here in the US of A, and NO ONE is owed any thing. Those who keep crying how they are “owed” are not going to get theirs anymore. This is what I think has been a good thing to come out of the whole Obama/Wright debacle. More people are going to get that.
Just IMHO.
CrimsonFisted on March 29, 2008 at 3:30 PM
I think that Obama feels exactly the way Wright does or he wouldn’t have stayed in that church for 20 years. M Obama definately does. I hope that the media keeps playing up the Rev Wright because it serves to remind that Obama’s election would be a travesty. If liberal whites are so desperate to elect a black person why not a black man of integrity and smarts such as Michael Steele? He loves this country and has also done well liking his white brother not hating him.
The difference between Christians and Muslims is that Christians call out and lambast Christians who try to hijack our religions while muslims do nothing so they approve.
CCRWM on March 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I was crackin’ on Catholics on another thread the other night and caught serious H E double hockeystix for it. I feel somewhat vindicated.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM
AZCoyote on March 29, 2008 at 3:22 PM
It has already started, people I work with are becoming militant and starting to self segregate by poltical belief in the break rooms and cafe. Any discussion that involves the Messiah in any way has taken on racial overtones. I fear this will only get worse!
dmann on March 29, 2008 at 3:38 PM
One might quibble about the percentage, but you’re dead on and I just wanted to emphasize the relevant part.
I think that this is fundamental in Christianity also.
baldilocks on March 29, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Why? Does this lunatic prove some general rule about Catholic vility?
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 3:50 PM
I never liked Maya Angelou’s “poetry”, maybe I sensed something about her as being unreal. Oprah loves her and Oprah is now leading scores of people down the New Age path against true Christianity.
This garbage being spewed by any man is no reflection on Jesus as one person spoke on here and I agree.
Conservatives R Us on March 29, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Thanks. Man, there’s some vitriol out there.
mikeyboss on March 29, 2008 at 3:51 PM
The left’s scoundrels–Clinton, Clinton, Senator ex-KKK, Senator Cold Cash, Barney my-home-is-a-gay-brothel Frank, & too many more to mention–become their heroes.
The Right’s scoundrels–Newt, Duke, Senator Toe-tapper, etc, are either forced to resign or lose almost all of their preeminence.
jgapinoy on March 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM
dmann is right.
“What’s done is done” as the goblin king said (Labyrinth).
nObama has set America back 50 years on his PC wings of “change”. What a bum! What suckers people are, especially those who victimize themselves despite all the help in the world! Until nObama changes himself and his flock to APPRECIATE America for all the good that God has blessed the US with, there is no reason to listen to him further. Negate the negative. Quit endorsing PC hypocrisy.
maverick muse on March 29, 2008 at 3:55 PM
I suggest start looking for a good security system with closed circuit cams and a pair of guard dogs to protect your property.
Aristotle on March 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Yes.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Does Pope Benedict know about this guy?
peacenprosperity on March 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Standing O for OJ.
Standing O from the black caucus for William Jefferson.
Standing O for Wright.
Standing O for Kwame.
Standing O for Nagin.
Standing O for Marion Berry
Standing O for Cynthia McKinney
Murderers, thieves, crackheads and racists rise (or stoop) to the level of black role models.
repvoter on March 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM
So, you see a Protestant making an ass of himself.
Then a Catholic joins him and you say “see?!“
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Does Pope Benedict know about this guy?
peacenprosperity on March 29, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Best buddies.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Wow. I wonder what the Pope thinks about this “Roman Catholic” church. As BL@KBIRD says, this is the hijacking of a religion. It’s called IslamoChristianity.
.
More dhimmitude here -
Buy Danish on March 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I think it makes a broader statement of the state of religion
in this day and age, don’t you?THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM
I thought our late Pope John Paul II cleared out all those liberal, leftist politically active priest way back when! John Paul told them to tend to their congregations and parishes and get out of politics. I guess ole Mikey didn’t get the memo. I wonder who his Bishop is and when he is going to discipline this fraud? Pfleger is a disgrace to his collar and should be defrocked immediately.
Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Someone tell this new foreign policy expert pope not to chime in on our Iraq Lberation, and I want ask him AGAIN to apologize for collaborating with the Nazi during the Holocaust.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Here we go again. One freak of priest in liberal Chicago and it’s the Pope’s fault.
Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Where’d they find all those honkies to hug and kiss him?
Sean68 on March 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Yeah, sure, whatever — but would it be too much to ask if we kept this sort of thing in the adjacent thread, viz.
“Enough with apologies, already!”
My collie says:
CyberCipher on March 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM
By their fruits ye shall know them
Many will say to me, Lord, have we not prophesied and cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
Beto Ochoa on March 29, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Please, the Catholic church has had its problems from the Inquisition to the Holocaust to Molesting Children and just sending them to another parish to keep Molesting Children, etc… The followers and the faith itself aren’t the problem, but who really grows up wanting to work for the Catholic church. Opportunists, that’s who. The truth can be painful.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Nothing new here. That is true of ANY organization devised by humans. Any goverment agency, any corporation, any church is only as good as the individuals that particpate therein. There are shameless opportunists almost everywhere. It’s called “human nature.” And the bigger the organization, the worse the problem becomes.
CyberCipher on March 29, 2008 at 4:34 PM
You are seriously wrong Chosen one.
You may like to generalize and paint everyone with a broad brush, but it does not make it true. Opportunists, HA! There are millions and millions of Faithful (including priest and nuns) who work their hearts out for the good of man and yet you, with your narrow view would color them the same as the fraud, Pfleger. You seem reasonable most of the time, why are you so hateful to the Catholics? I read your comment above, but there must be more.
Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM
No. Single incidents do not make broad statements. They may illustrate such a statement, but they do not make or prove it. If you’re going to take anything away from this crowd of idiots, take away the fact that it’s one Catholic and a few hundred Protestants, all making asses of themselves.
And of course, there are other, ancient alternatives.
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Probably not.
baldilocks on March 29, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Excellent link baldilocks. Thanks
Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Yes, indeed. Ratzinger/Benedict is a sensible man and worthy of respect. And I say this as a non-Catholic.
Tzetzes on March 29, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Heh. Fox just did a warm and fuzzy piece about welcoming Reverend Wright to St. Sabina, where they interviewed Pfleger.
Here’s a 1989 New York Times article about Pfleger and St. Sabinas. Anyone know the words to the Black National Anthem?
Pfleger defended a certain Rev. Stallings, another phony Catholic who excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church. Your turn Pfleger!
Buy Danish on March 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Anybody who does not understand the difference between religion and god is just plain dumb. Religion allows the paster/rev/priest whatever to get rich and powerful off the money taken in every Sunday! Where you do you think all the big mansions, fancy caddy’s, clothes and jewelry come from? Please..Allah, I am an atheist too, but spare me the insanity of the video above. I didn’t and won’t watch it, enough is enough. You all remember when the Aztecs sacrificed 10,000 souls by cutting out their hearts, these people in the video are just the precursors to what’s coming. The damn bell is tolling…anyone listening?????
sharinlite on March 29, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Welcome to the Chicago HotAir contingent, DT. Truly, the sickness of the African-American community here is manifested in the person of Michelle Obama, and shouldn’t be too hard to predict, given the overt racism of the leaders in that community.
Jaibones on March 29, 2008 at 4:51 PM
By the way, all the folks on this site who always get on an immigration tirade, the Catholic church basically has a blanket policy in which they ignore our laws in order to keep their standing in Latin America. By keeping up their standing they keep that money train rollin’. That’s what this is really all about. Power, Money, Influence. The faithful are the righteous, not the clergy. The clergy suck ass, except those nice little old lady nuns, they seem pretty chill.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Damn glad to meet you, neighbor. I’ll be passing by the pastor’s new digs on the way home in a few minutes. Two miles down my street…
As for Father ButtPluger, he truly is an abomination in the sight of God. He plays white, self-hating racist for the cheers of his black parishoners, and the diocese sits idly by, wondering how to shut him up without losing the parish of St. Sabina.
Jaibones on March 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Ditto. And Kudos.
From the cited document:
I can not think of a doctrine more diametrically opposed to the message of the Gospel. This is essentially the same argument that the Hebrew zealots used at the time Jesus’s crucifixion. They rejected Jesus because He did not overthrow the oppressive Roman empire. The people peddling this garbage have a lotta’ nerve calling themselves “Christian.” Can you imagine the Wrath that will be poured out on them for perverting Christ’s message?
CyberCipher on March 29, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Not so fast, THE CHOSEN ONE. We’re still watching.
With all due respect to you as a person, just because we don’t have time to respond to every single bash you make –we try, as you might have seen me do – doesn’t mean our opinion of you as – sorry to be so blunt – a bigot doesn’t increase a bit more with each post we see.
You’ve never seen me speak with disrespect about whole religious (or non-religious) groups and, at least as I’ve seen, neither do other Catholics on this site. (If any Catholics are, cut that out right now!)
So we’d appreciate the same courtesy from people like you. Since when is “crackin’ on Catholics” OK on this site? Perhaps you’re speaking about the thread where AP issued a warning about that (hint: another phrase for “crackin’ on Catholics” is “Catholic bashing”).
BTW baldilocks, thanks for the link. Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (aka Pope Benedict) has been issuing warnings about liberation theology for many, many years.
inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 5:01 PM
I see that what is called the “Black National Anthem” is a song called “Lift every voice and sing”.
I’m not quite sure what country this song talks about in the end, in this version of the song:
May we forever stand,
True to our God,
True to our native land.
Buy Danish on March 29, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Dude, don’t let your hate get in the way of the truth. Yes, the Catholic Church in America has essentially an open borders policy. No, Ratzinger is not “best buddies” with Michael Pfleger.
Jaibones on March 29, 2008 at 5:06 PM
I myself work for the church. I’ve wanted to for a long time also. Instead of making another response, I’ll just let you know I’m sitting here waiting for you to call me an opportunist and imply I’m a molester again.
Go ahead. Please. You’re making yourself look worse with every post.
And, I think I want to say that…um, uh [grace kicks in]…I’ll…be praying for you tonight. Yes, I will indeed. Whether you want me to or not. :) Hope your evening is nice.
inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Again more who cares, doesn’t matter, how about taking about the real problems in the country.
We get it the Catholic Church is against the war, Wright said whatever, Father Nehru Jacket is a left wing loon, but how and why does this really matter with mainstream America who could care less?
This means nothing when Mrs. Whosabot living in the heartland can not afford to gas up her car so she can drive her kids to a private school 20 miles away so they can get a decent education, and Mr. Biddlebot cannot pay his mortgage.
These minsiters, priest including Parsley and Hagee are reminiscent of the nutjobs before them, Falwell, Bakker and Robertson.
Same nuthouse, different patients.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Once again, the tolerence for profound hatred of America and deep racism of the left is exposed and the media will
turn away.
RobCon on March 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM
You’re welcome, all. It’s amazing what one finds when one is looking.
Conversely, that also applies to the “Black National Anthem” and not in a good way.
baldilocks on March 29, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Yeah, but if you actually saw the balance recorded in their checkbooks or the adjusted gross incomes reported on their tax returns, you’d revise that last statement to “crazy like a fox.” (Follow the money.)
CyberCipher on March 29, 2008 at 5:19 PM
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 5:09 PM
If you knew Obama was a stone cold Marxist, would that be worth discussing in your estimation?
Buy Danish on March 29, 2008 at 5:22 PM
For Buy Danish: here are the lyrics to Lift Every Voice and Sing aka the “Negro National Anthem.”
baldilocks on March 29, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Thank you. Duly bookmarked and will be studied.
CrimsonFisted on March 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM
April, if you don’t think that being a racist hater matters to Americans, you must live in either SanFran or NYC.
Really, take a road trip. Get out more often. Don’t be afraid of the little people.
faraway on March 29, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Did those thrones have nipples behind them? What kind of church was that? St. Nip the Hater?
Hening on March 29, 2008 at 5:53 PM
PTL = Pass The Loot
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Again, more effort on my part than it’s worth.
I don’t care what he is because he will never be POTUS, so I am not going to get jacked up over something that doesn’t really matter. Thankfully, I’m not that silly.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 5:53 PM
You either are either very ignorant over dishonesi. Please read this article: Piatak on Hitchens.
If you keep on insisting that the Catholic Church is responsible for the Holocaust I’ll know you’re a liar and call you on it.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM
The Real Inquisition
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I would only be interested in the whole Marxist angle if I thought he had a chance to be POTUS. Since he never will it’s moot.
I only go after people for valid reason. I don’t do it for sport, I leave that to the wingnuts so they can reach their own special brand or nirvana and self gratification.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Thanks – I linked to the lyrics earlier, here.
It was written on the anniversary of Lincoln’s birthday, but as I said earlier, I’m not sure what country the “native land” refers to. If one’s a follower of Rev. Wright and friends, it’s probably open to interpretation.
Standing alone the song wouldn’t bother me so much, but calling it the “Black National Anthem” is where it crosses a line. I wonder if the author intended it that way.
BTW, thanks for the great link on the Pope’s analysis of B.L.T.
Like, whatever.
Buy Danish on March 29, 2008 at 6:06 PM
They were not solely responsible, however Pope Pius IX certainly could have done more. I mean he did call jews the dogs of Rome. I tried to find the complete article but I cannot locate it for free.
Pope Pius was like Rev Wright, he said –
In a speech in 1871 he called the Jews of Rome “dogs” and said: “of these dogs, there are too many of them at present in Rome, and we hear them howling in the streets, and they are disturbing us in all places.”
So he was not helpful in preventing the rise of Hitler at all and was he any different than Jeremiah Wright or Calypso Louie?
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Yeah baby – I’ll leave the torch carrying monster chasing to you and your crew…..
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Imagine if Pope Pius IX was alive, now that could be some torch carrying hunt.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:11 PM
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 5:54 PM
First off, I don’t read Hitchens. Secondly, not only do I distrust the Catholic church as far as I could throw them, but I don’t trust organized religion. Now let me deal with the other dude.
inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I bet when all the molesting scandal was going in Beantown you didn’t say a word. Because we all know in organized religion, there is a ton of politics going on. If you did raise serious questions you would be ostracized your peers. You know it, I know it, and worst of all, you know that i know that you know it. Again, the followers are the righteous ones. Oh yeah, tell whoever back at the Vatican to take those ridiculous golden laced outfits off and get rid of the golden dipped imagery. You guys don’t have anything on Buddhist monks or the Amish who really just need the word of god to survive. Please don’t ever guilt trip me over your “work”. The catholic church is worth billions and is a money making machine. YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO TO CHURCH TO BE IN TOUCH WITH GOD!!!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 6:12 PM
They were not at all responsible. The Church had ceased to be a military power by the 1930s as it had been in previous centuries. Did you yourself do anything to stop the Holocaust? No? Then you must be partly responsible for it too, right?
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Rev. Wright just plain hates whites. It’s that simple!!!
jeanie on March 29, 2008 at 6:20 PM
I wasn’t asking you to read Hitchens but an article which partly deals with an assertion Hitchens (and you) make: that the Catholic Church was complicit in the Holocaust.
If organised religion isn’t your bag thats fine, just stop spreading lies. God knows when you are lying.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM
God knows when you are lying.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM
He also knows when a group of people exploit him for profit and influence. I’ll do better at the gates than they will.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Me personally? Ahhh…I wasn’t born yet.
In January 1943, Pius would again refuse to publicly denounce the Nazi violence against Jews, following requests to do so from Władysław Raczkiewicz, president of the Polish government-in-exile, and Bishop Konrad von Preysing of Berlin.
If this was then the bloggers would be writing about him instead of Wright.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:25 PM
The Holy See did not support Zionism and either do the Muslims.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Maybe they didn’t support the jews cause they new they couldn’t convert them into new donors.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Rev. Wright just plain hates whites. It’s that simple!!!
jeanie on March 29, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Unless your a white catholic apologist priest.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 29, 2008 at 6:35 PM
I think it was then as it is today, just plain old everyday anti-semitism, nothing more, nothing less.
But the Catholic Church has blood on it’s hands from years gone by.
It’s interesting how Mel Gibson and his father, Catholic Traditionalists, believe that Pope Pius was the last real Pope, believe Vatican II was a farce. The old man also has said he believes 9/11 was caused by the jews.
I’d be curious to know what the congregants of these 600 or so Catholic Traditionist Churches across the country think of Wright.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Convenient.
You’re right to point out Catholic anti-semitism and decry this mentality but it does not mean that the Catholic Church is responsible for the Holocaust.
Some of today’s bloggers (and a whole load of commenters) think the Islamification of Europe is a big joke and/or deserved and don’t propose anything concrete be done about it. One (conservative) blogger even bans commenters who call for the deportation of Muslims.
No one, not even me, suggests they are/would be actively complicit/responsible for the “Real Holocaust” (as one British Muslim woman put it) just over the horizon.
In the former case the Germans are responsible, in the latter case the Muslims. To assign blame to third parties excuses (or at least obscures the role of) the real perpetrators of the crime and turns reality on its head.
Noe that in our discussion of the Holocaust this is the first time the Germans have been mentioned.
Therefore they must be morally equivalent? Your double-talk is transparent. Lots of Jews at the time didn’t support Zionism either.
Notice also you have inadvertently admitted that the Catholic Church saved 4,000 Jews from the Holocaust in 1944. You have actually done more to prove I am right than I was able to.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Not true. it isn’t about whites so much as it is jews, who are white. He believes the jews are the root of all evil.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:46 PM
You are an anti-Catholic bigot who is taking a bigoted mentality (Jews are all greedy and killers of Christ) and inverting it (Catholics are greedy and the killers of millions of Jews). You an anti-semite turned upside down and if your prejudice were reversed you’d be drummed out of polite society in a heartbeat.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I ought to qualify this statement as I can’t really blame a group for something they will do in the future. If the Muslims commit mass genocide against Europeans they will be responsible for it, not those who blithely failed to stop them.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Listen, I have no beef with the Catholic Church, I could care less about it. I am not Catholic and never will be.
I was only stating facts about Pius. My reference to Zionism and Muslim was in current times, and throughout history many jews have believed in it and supported it.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I know that. I accused TCO of being anti-Catholic, not you. You have been for the most part quite fair and correctly pointed out Catholic anti-semitism. I just disagree that this means that the Catholic Church is responsible for the Holocaust.
Anti-semitism is universal and always has been. In the 1930s they lynched a Jew in Alabama. Truman was revealed to be an anti-semite when his diaries were published etc., etc. I’m purposefully using American examples here (the latter of which did help to end the Holocaust) to make my point more obvious.
Well yes many Jews have believed it and supported it otherwise Israel not exist. However throughout history many Jews have not believed it and not supported to it – so where does that leave us? It leaves us placing blame for the Holocaust on those who perpetrated it – the Nazis.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 7:02 PM
One last point:
The failure to capitalise “Jews” and rendering the word as “jews” is often seen as crypto anti-semitism. Just letting you guys know so you don’t get unfairly accused of that in the future. (Seems to be a lot of it going around lately.)
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 7:05 PM
The Jew is a money getter; and in getting his money he is a very serious obstruction to less capable neighbors who are on the same quest.
- Mark Twain, “Concerning the Jews”
/MB4
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 7:07 PM
If you’re still here can you please enlighten me about the “not in a good way” part?
I have been party to signing this song before and would like to know if there is something I’m missing as far as the meaning.
12thman on March 29, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Once again, you are in error on every single point. We all condemned it, very vociferously, and as a result we all gladly follow many new regulations, in our diocese and most others around the country, designed to prevent that from ever happening again.
You owe all the people in the Catholic Church (except the criminal molestors and their criminal abettors, a very small minority of Church workers) an apology.
And where did I say we Church workers weren’t overwhelmingly Catholic ourselves?
Well, THAT’s why I make many thousands less than what I could do for a secular firm (business manager and finance director). *rolls eyes*
“eleventy?” :)
“But it helps” (:) ) in many cases. God intended for us to be in touch with Him both individually AND as a community. I’m sorry you didn’t realize that.
Aengus is right. You, sir, are a bigot.
inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM
I am a jew so, it doesn’t matter. I don’t get all that jacked up about it, unless there is visible proof, like swatiskas displayed prominently.
I do not believe holocaust survivors should be compensated for the sins of the past, the same way I do not believe blacks should be for slavery.
One prominent Far Right jewish blogger Debbie Schlussel believes all jews should be compansated, which is insane.
AprilOrit on March 29, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Wow. Left for a while only to come back and find the old “Pope Pius was utterly silent about the Holocaust” canard back on this site. Nice job.
Far from complete in its documentation but here’s just another piece of the puzzle for the prejudiced gentleman:
Partial Account of Catholic efforts to save Jews during the Holocaust
inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 7:46 PM
That may be. But since the author of the lyrics (James Weldon Johnson) died in 1938, there’s little doubt as what native land he was referring to, later interpretations notwithstanding (and not mattering, actually).
baldilocks on March 29, 2008 at 7:53 PM
I agree financial compensation is way over the top. However very specific acts of returning stolen paintings and that seems reasonable to me.
Thanks.
aengus on March 29, 2008 at 7:57 PM
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