Hillary’s consolation prize? A Rudy face-off

posted at 9:48 am on March 29, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Perhaps the third time’s the charm. Just when we mourned our second lost opportunity to pit Rudy Giuliani against Hillary Clinton in a general election, we may have one last chance to see them go toe to toe. Democrats want to convince Hillary to pull out of the presidential race and prepare for a likely special election to replace David Paterson as governor of New York, at least according to Jonathan Alter (via Joe Gandelman):

Some Democrats terrified that their bloody primary campaign will doom them in November are floating a consolation prize for Hillary Clinton: governor of New York.

The travails of New York Gov. David Paterson have opened up a new potential career path for Clinton, according to well-informed Democratic Party insiders who refused to allow their names to be used when discussing contingencies. They want her to consider the option if she concludes after the April 22 Pennsylvania primary that she cannot overtake Barack Obama for the party’s presidential nomination. Hillary Clinton, while fully committed to continuing her presidential campaign, was said to be open to discussing the idea, while Bill Clinton rejected it out of hand.

With former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani now reported by the New York Post to be weighing a race for governor, voters could see a Clinton-Giuliani matchup after all.

This makes pretty good sense, although I doubt that the Clintons will be smart enough to take the out. If successful, it gives Hillary an opportunity to garner executive experience on her own, rather than rely on her series of lies about Tuzla and S-CHIP to convince people that she has any more relevant experience than Barack Obama. It also gives her a place outside of the Beltway to call home while Obama fails in a general election bid, making her a stronger candidate for 2012 against a 75-year-old McCain.

The risks, though, are considerable. First, Paterson hasn’t resigned, and may not even with the national party pressuring him to do so. He would have to resign relatively soon in order to have the special election in November, certainly well before the convention. Lastly, if Rudy does enter the race, she has only a marginally better chance of winning that election than she does of winning the nomination in Denver.

The bigger question is where this idea originated. Is it real, or is it the fevered imagination of the Obama oppo team? It’s a great rumor to float by the Obama campaign for a number of reasons. It counts on Hillary torpedoing a black governor in order to keep her political ambitions alive, a twist that will not go unremarked. It also paints her as the candidate of the sleazy back-room deal, contrasting her with Obama’s purported New Politics.

It’s a trap. And if Rudy runs against her, it might be the last one of her political career.


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I don’t want Rudy to do it.

I want him as AG in the McCain administration.

Typhoon on March 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM

Anything to remove her from any future scene.

richardcamera on March 29, 2008 at 9:55 AM

For all of you this is just a game. I actually live in NY. God help us!

ReaganEvangelical on March 29, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Oh, good idea . . . take that pathetic woman and her contrived fantasies and make her the governor of New York. Although I will admit that she’d fit in quite nicely with the rest of those political dirt bags that state has elected.

But I agree with “Typhoon”, there are better things for Rudy to do.

rplat on March 29, 2008 at 9:58 AM

If Slick opposes it, either he sees the downside as too great, or he’s holding some cards for a triple bank shot giving her the nomination.
Either way, her ambitions are too great to be satisfied with being a mere Senator for life. If she would run for governor, alienation of black voters would further split the party. It’s all good.

a capella on March 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Of course Bill doesn’t want her to do it. There’s no Lincoln’s bedroom to entertain their Hollywood elitist friends.

trader67 on March 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Don’t do it Hill! It’s a trap!!

Lehosh on March 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Of course Bill doesn’t want her to do it. There’s no Lincoln’s bedroom to entertain their Hollywood elitist friends.

trader67 on March 29, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Yes, but I hear the opportunities for extramarital recreational sex are quite bountiful for both the governor of NY and his/her spouse!

aero on March 29, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Hilary isn’t interested in Albany.

AYNBLAND on March 29, 2008 at 10:11 AM

The only thing sweeter than seeing her beat once is… seeing her beat twice.

petefrt on March 29, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Just thanks! While the rest of you have been Hillary-free for the past 7 years, here in NY we’ve had her in our faces for 16 years! It’s someone else’s turn. She’s a pain in the butt. She’s an easy houseguest. You’ll like her.

JiangxiDad on March 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM

“it gives Hillary an opportunity to garner executive experience on her own”

Personally I think Sen. Obama needs this more then her with his short amount of time he has in office.

JeffinSac on March 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM

What are the odds of a Paterson resignation? Is there any indication that he’s considering it, or any consequences on the horizon for staying?

Pablo on March 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Rudy would be a natural at the head of DHS. He understands the threats against us, and can take on a bloated, inefficient beurocracy.

Spartacus on March 29, 2008 at 10:35 AM

If Rudy still has presidential ambitions, he’d want at least the governorship in order to remain visible. “I was the mayor on 9/11″ is going to be even thinner credentials in 4 or 8 years, especially since an increasingly large percentage of the electorate probably won’t even know what he’s talking about.

But Hillary is in the US Senate. By all accounts, that’s a pretty nice gig. Why would she want to downsize that national podium to go rot in obscurity in Albany. Katonah and Georgetown are very nice places to live. Albany, not so much.

bofh on March 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM

The liberal overlords are quaking in their boots shorts.

But whats juicy enough to buy off the matron of faciality?

Speakup on March 29, 2008 at 10:44 AM

I don’t see why Hillary would want to be governor and give up the cushy Senate. She’s damaged goods right now politically. Running for Gov isn’t going to help her even for 4 years of so-called executive experience. If the Dems (Obama) gain the Presidency I’m guessing the peeps will be tired of 8 years of Dem control and will be ready for a Republican again. She’ll be fairly old by then as well. Also she just might get beat running for the office, further diminishing her “star”shine. Her best best is to ensure that The Messiah doesn’t become President, leaving her an opportunity to say I told you so and run again herself in 4 years. I doubt the Party would be interested again but one never knows. I don’t see why Paterson would resign anyway. Spitzer had all kinds of scandals/corruption in his short time in office and no one was going to get rid of him until the hooker thing came up. It just may be that NY voters will cast a pox upon the Democratic Party in NY and banish them to the governor’s chair wilderness for a bit.

Laddy on March 29, 2008 at 10:53 AM

If I were Hillary, I’d not be Governor, there is no national reward being Governor or NY you just do it in the state and not many people know what the heck you are doing anyways. The rest of the nation doesn’t care if they can bring a budget in New York State on time or even know about it. If she does that, so what, they might say California.

Senator, is more national, out there. More national news coverage. She’d be a Senate leader in a Democratic controlled Senate. I am NOT a fan of Hillary, but as long as there is a Dem. Senate, perhaps she can use her influence to bring things to my state, thus benefiting NY. Not that she has initiated or been full time Senator anyways, but what else would she have to be bothered with while in the Senate this time.

StuLongIsland on March 29, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Great for Rudy, terrible for Hillary. She’s history after Denver to no big deal.

Mojave Mark on March 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM

It also gives her a place outside of the Beltway to call home while Obama fails in a general election bid, making her a stronger candidate for 2012 against a 75-year-old McCain.

How will this change if McCain only chooses to serve one term (as he has hinted at) and has a younger VP with conservative cred to head the ticket in 2012?

its vintage duh on March 29, 2008 at 11:02 AM

It’s great to watch the final, shabby, stumbling end of the Clinton mafia. The most delicious schadenfreude comes from the way Obama’s wing of the party has turned against Hillary so completely that they’re starting to wonder aloud if Bill was really so great after all. I always thought a big chunk of the “Clinton mystique” in the 90s was pure media bias and manipulation… as someone said at the time, it was hard to swallow polls that suggested the American people loved Bill more with each felony and abuse of power. Hillary is the ugly core of the Clinton machine, all that remains after the media tears away the glittering cloth-of-gold rainments and drapes them over someone else. After a couple of weeks of nervous uncertainty, it looks like the media has decided to double down on Obama, and the only sour note in the deconstruction of the Clintons will be the way Hillary gets to spend the next decade clucking about how foolish the party was to get behind someone as utterly unelectable as Barry O.

Doctor Zero on March 29, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Isn’t there a miserable little country out there that would accept Hillary as its ruler? Put her on some backward island, give her a big fancy hat and some feathers, and tell her that she’s finally got the absolute power that she so keenly craves. She could command her legion of hunter-gatherers with complete impunity, even putting them to death on a whim, and the rest of us wouldn’t have to hear or look at her again.

Cicero43 on March 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM

I just can’t see Hillary settling for the title of “Governor” under any set of circumstances. I’m hoping the woman will take her loss to an empty suit white hating racist nothing of a black guy politician, and fade off into the sunset. I’m sick and tired of hearing her voice; I’m sick and tired of looking at that “I just smelled a fart” look on her face.

Keemo on March 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM

I’m curious to know what Paterson thinks of the vultures circling his office when he’s given no indication whatsoever that he intends to resign. Does anyone know if he’s made a statement?

aero on March 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM

This makes pretty good sense, although I doubt that the Clintons will be smart enough to take the out.

Or maybe the Clinton’s are a lot craftier than you think.

The thing with Spitzer could have been a coincidence, (Although it is rare in the extreme for a prominent Democrat to go down over something as insignificant as a few hundred thousand dollars worth of prostitution.) But the Patterson self-immolation is nothing short of bizarre.

Of course anything is possible, but c’mon, there are 49 other states. A fiasco like this is pretty darned improbable anywhere.

…But for it to happen in New York; and for it to happen now?

Seriously, what are the odds of that?

logis on March 29, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Hillary does not deserve it nor does anyone in NY(well, maybe some), deserve her.
I lived in NY up until the last 4 years or so, so my heart is still there. I didn’t like it when she became senator but I loved Rudy as Mayor.
I think she should just lose it all but I’d to see something good open up for Rudy.

Conservatives R Us on March 29, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Something the media and DNC don’t like to talk about when they are calling on Sen. Clinton to drop out.

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/clinton-obama-popular-vote.html

Every poll I seen shows that Sen. Clinton leads Sen. Obama in all the remaining states with the popular vote, so this number will increase by the time the convention comes around. The DNC primary system is not based on how people vote and that is the problem for the DNC now. If the DNC cared about the will of the people’s vote and wishes then they would be calling on Sen. Obama and not Sen. Clinton to drop out now.

JeffinSac on March 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM

For all of you this is just a game. I actually live in NY. God help us!

ReaganEvangelical on March 29, 2008 at 9:56 AM

I think Rudy would beat her handily. I also think the Clintons are correct when they tell democrats that they are the only/best hope the dem party has to take the WH this year.

If the DNC cared about the will of the people’s vote and wishes then they would be calling on Sen. Obama and not Sen. Clinton to drop out now.

JeffinSac on March 29, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Yup. It’s high time for moderate to conservative media outlets to get this “inconvenient (for Obama) truth” out there. For two reasons: the media/hollyweird coronation of Obama is creepy-Revelations territory for me, and it would make sure most Hillary supporters would vote for McCain in the general election, because it would be true that the Obama camp succeeded in strong-arming her out of a race that she had a shot to win.

funky chicken on March 29, 2008 at 11:32 AM

For all of you this is just a game. I actually live in NY. God help us!

ReaganEvangelical on March 29, 2008 at 9:56 AM

Just thanks! While the rest of you have been Hillary-free for the past 7 years, here in NY we’ve had her in our faces for 16 years! It’s someone else’s turn. She’s a pain in the butt. She’s an easy houseguest. You’ll like her.

JiangxiDad on March 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM

You two said it. This, this…senator…purports to represent me. To co-opt the revolutionary slogan:

HILLARY OUT OF NEW YORK NOW!

inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Aren’t the Spitzer and Patterson revelations much more like Obama’s style? Maybe he wants to carpetbag his way into the NY Governor’s mansion?

/sarc on the second part, I guess.

funky chicken on March 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM

She’s almost too old now. It’s now or never for her bid to win the White House.

Zorro on March 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM

If he does run, I hope someone tells Rudy he has to campaign in more than one county.

irishspy on March 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM

I still believe Ms. Clinton will get the nomination. Far too many super delegates owe the advancement of their political careers to the Clinton’s. Bill bought and paid for (with our tax dollars and a whole lot of corruption) these votes before and after he left office. Some of those “pardons” have come due and payable now; hate to think of what will happen to those who fail to pay their debt to this modern day mafia called Clinton Inc…..

Keemo on March 29, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Funny, all you people saying that Rudy would beat Hillary are probably the same ones who thought that the revolutionary Florida strategy was the most brilliant tactic in presidential politics. It’s a good thing most commenters don’t consider themselves political analysts.

At the ACC tournament a couple weeks ago I sat next to a guy who worked on the Rudy campaign. He was a fellow Wake grad as well. While I didn’t pour it on that thick, I did ask him who was responsible for Rudy’s epically awful campaign. He still indicated that the Florida strategy was a good idea.

Learning from mistakes (or even merely recognizing them) is apparently not something that is a beneficial trait in NY politics.

ThackerAgency on March 29, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Hillary needs to run as a third party candidate…

DfDeportation on March 29, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Isn’t there a miserable little country out there that would accept Hillary as its ruler? Put her on some backward island, give her a big fancy hat and some feathers, and tell her that she’s finally got the absolute power that she so keenly craves. She could command her legion of hunter-gatherers with complete impunity, even putting them to death on a whim, and the rest of us wouldn’t have to hear or look at her again.

Cicero43 on March 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM

LOL, I just got a scary mental image of her as the female version of Chief Urulu from the old “McHale’s Navy” show.

Stranger than truth, Urulu was played by character actor Jacques Aubuchon from Massachusetts. Jacque’s son Remi was executive producer of several episodes of “24″.

Del Dolemonte on March 29, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Isn’t there a miserable little country out there that would accept Hillary as its ruler? Put her on some backward island, give her a big fancy hat and some feathers, and tell her that she’s finally got the absolute power that she so keenly craves. She could command her legion of hunter-gatherers with complete impunity, even putting them to death on a whim, and the rest of us wouldn’t have to hear or look at her again.

Cicero43 on March 29, 2008 at 11:12 AM

The ultimate debauched liberal shows the way for Hillary.
She can hate and revile men to her black little hearts content.

Caligula withdrew to the island of Capri in 31

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligula

Speakup on March 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM

Senators live better and do less.

jukin on March 29, 2008 at 1:01 PM

BTW: Is Hillary (in the captioned photo) showing us the size of slick’s ????

Keemo on March 29, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Ha… Rudy would eat Hillary’s, Bill’s and Chelsea’s lunch like Pac Man going through dots… He’s THE REAL New Yorker

CynicalOptimist on March 29, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Let’s see, should this scenario come to pass, New Yorkers will have the most extreme case of scandal fatigue known in the modern world. So they’ll vote for Hillary to make it all go away? Yeah, I don’t think so.

Rational Thought on March 29, 2008 at 1:59 PM

First, Paterson hasn’t resigned, and may not even with the national party pressuring him to do so.

I’m from NY and this is the first time I’ve actually heard that the Democrats are actually talking about this!
Is this a real senario? 80
.
(On the other hand, I have been crazy busy with my thesis, so I could have easily missed it.)

artlover on March 29, 2008 at 2:02 PM

R to H, “You want a piece ahmee?”

CynicalOptimist on March 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Once you get to taste Belgian chocolates, straight from the factory, made with whipping cream, versus butter, you don’t go back to just chocolates.

Entelechy on March 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Do we NEED this woman to run in New York again for a post she’s going to probably abandon to make an abortive run at the White House…Especially if she promises to stay at the job beforehand?

Once is enough, folks…Let someone else take her this time.

52Ranger on March 29, 2008 at 2:51 PM

that would be sweeeeeeeeeeet!

Drunk Report on March 29, 2008 at 3:23 PM

I don’t want Rudy to do it.

I want him as AG in the McCain administration.

Typhoon on March 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM

I support Rudy in whatever he wants to do.

He’s DA Man, best Leader in the Republican Party. IMHO

Chakra Hammer on March 29, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Paterson will not resign nor will he be removed by impeachment since he would be replaced by Republican Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno under the NY constitution and no Democrat wants that. The Democrats will be quite satisfied to allow Paterson, a liberal to serve the rest of a term during tough economic times that will require painful spending cuts and tax increases and then dump him and his baggage in 2010 when they will back Andrew Cuomo, the current AG for Governor. I like Rudy but a run against Cuomo will be very hard for him.

Thus, this is all nonsense.

KW64 on March 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Over a month ago, I suggested that Herself would run for NYGOV. The vererable socialist FDR used that platform as a springboard to POTUS; so why shouldn’t another socialist play copy cat? She could even get rid of Billy Jeff and run for POTUS on her own.

SeniorD on March 29, 2008 at 11:40 PM