I was on a completely different track, thinking of phrases like, “Boston anthrax attack.”

Laura on March 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM

“America Is Dead” was my guess

LimeyGeek on March 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM

Which American news agency is providing access to the video?

Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Which U.S. MSM source is even reporting on the controversy? I haven’t seen one yet.

Thank you, God, for the internet. As for LiveLeak, at least they were willing to stand up for freedom of speech for about 24 hours; that was more than Network Solutions was willing to do.

AZCoyote on March 28, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Easy to say for them to keep it up…but if your daughter was hung from a tree, with her entrails hanging out, you wouldn’t be the one to say it was worth it.
Or if your employee’s house was fire bombed and everyone was killed…
When it gets like this, with no guarantee of protection from the government, you do what you can and then retreat till another day.
How easy it is to sit behind a keyboard, anonymously, and call other people gutless.

right2bright on March 28, 2008 at 7:18 PM

LimeyGeek on March 28, 2008 at 7:18 PM

As brutally and as critical as I am about anything… Thank a Soldier (all of them around the world) for dealing with the Afghanistan war, as well as ANY who are helping in Iraq right at this moment.

Liveleak posted it for what… a few hours? Big deal, I would have bought the DVD!

upinak on March 28, 2008 at 7:22 PM

right2bright on March 28, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I re-enlisted. I decided to do something about it!

What are you doing?

upinak on March 28, 2008 at 7:24 PM

right2bright
I have served, I have fought and was wounded….. I’ll call anyone I deem deserving gutless. Yes, I’m being uncaring, immoral or whatever you wish to call me, but I don’t particularly care at this juncture in history.

MNDavenotPC on March 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Perhaps the authorities can round up the threats.

Thanks, LiveLeak for seeding the net.

desertdweller on March 28, 2008 at 7:30 PM

Just one small tac nuke on Mecca would do the trick.

And one for Medina, and one for the Dome of the Rock. Islam as a faith will cease to exist, as - unlike Christianity - it is tied to the material world; namely, these three sites. Turn them into glass and smoke, and most Muslims will instantly turn away forever, for it’s unthinkable Allah would let such happen to the Muslim holy of holies…thereby proving Allah does not exist. The few Muslims left who might fight on can then be hunted down and neutralized, as Western boneheads could no longer offer “sincere religious belief” as a reason to defend them. The rest turn to atheism, agnosticism or other faiths (possibly B’hai). In any case, Islam as it exists dies because Allah would be effectively “killed,” and his “death” takes the Koran with him. Pass the pork rinds.

splink on March 28, 2008 at 7:34 PM

I’m wondering (as some of you already are) if this little video wasn’t produced for its content, since as BOD says, it’s been done elsewhere in much more detail and really isn’t telling the informed out there anything they don’t already know.

Could it really just be a test to show just how widespread the cowardice is, thus perfectly (and sadly) proving Geert’s point?

splink on March 28, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I re-enlisted. I decided to do something about it!

And what about those of us who have lousy vision (one eye especially bad) and don’t have the iron-clad mentality it takes to be a half-decent soldier?

Not to spit on your service or the brave people in uniform, but please be a little more considerate.

Dark-Star on March 28, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Well, I wasn’t originally gonna watch it. I’m supportive, but thought I knew what it was gonna look like. The threats by Muslim extremists made me sit right down and exercise my rights, and Geert’s right as a Human Being to Free Speech.

God Bless (whichever God you want) Geert Wilders - and those that helped him create this…and save our complacent overly-appeasing a$$es, wherever in the Western world we may be.

Our culture and our lives are at stake!!

tickleddragon on March 28, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Dark-Star on March 28, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Now is it my fault that you or whomever has the problem with sight? No, and I feel for ya not being able to serve. Sometimes a small issues such as sight should stop you from doing other things, or even doing something medical. I agree with you there.

BUT, I do NOT want some want someone who has a weak or in your words “iron-clad mentality” and going to wig out! BCT usually weeds them out or makes them become a different midset.

If you want to “spti” go for it… I guess some people are pissed off at the world. BTW you are welcome!

upinak on March 28, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 7:45 PM

I was just pointing out they are a foreign country that US soldiers have nothing to do with defending (directly anyway).

People here it seemed were making the assumption this was a US company unwilling to stand up like soldiers are and it’s simply not applicable here and it’s unfair to companies like Fox News who have done more already…

TheBigOldDog on March 28, 2008 at 7:50 PM

TheBigOldDog on March 28, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Agreed, sorry for the misunderstanding. Eventually the free world will have to take a unified stand against this threat.

Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 7:54 PM

VERY disturbing film. I got to about the first third of it, and although I had seen much of its clips before, there were enough new images to make me sick.

Being Jewish parents and having a young Jewish daughter, it had a special meaning.
Of course, unlike most American Jews, I can shoot a gun and would eagerly protect my family, but these are such evil bastards that only our well-trained army could ever protect us from them.
Let this viral film spread all over the world!
And I will be glad to donate whatever to help make that happen.
Barack Obama and that ilk would want us to forget 9/11 since those left-wing SOBs helped make it happen!

TexasJew on March 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM

TexasJew on March 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM

To forget is arrogant and ignorant. To keep a memory shows respect, remorse and the willingness of teaching on into the furture.

upinak on March 28, 2008 at 8:01 PM

“You will convert.”
splink on March 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM

” Peace is submission”
MNDavenotPC on March 28, 2008 at 6:27 PM

I took a guess and wrote this on Dan Simmon’s forum one and half years ago (2006):

I was mesmerized by Dan’s Time Traveler. At the very end, there were three words of warning, that once we heard them, we’d know our doom. I speculated endlessly what those three words might be.

Now, here it is several months later and the Democrats will soon assume control of our Congress. I think I now know what those three words are.

They are the campaign slogan of the Democrats for ‘08:

NO MORE WAR.

Those words, chanted as a cheap promise by Americans sick of war, will seal our doom. We’ll elect men and women who refuse to stand against the rising tide of Islamic domination - all in the name of a false peace. Those three words will finalize our abandonment of purpose. It will prove that we Americans have failed to appreciate the persistent, long-term threat posed to our liberties and survival by a Movement that envisions a world dominated and defined by an Islamic Caliphate. It will signify that we no longer have the will to stand against an enemy that will ‘fight any war, make any sacrifice, suffer any hardship, and pay any price’ to achieve totalitarianism.

NO MORE WAR.

It will mean we’ve given up. Therein lies our doom.

How close did I get? I haven’t made a better guess since.

Redhead Infidel on March 28, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Did Simmons actually have three words in mind, as far as you know?

splink on March 28, 2008 at 8:29 PM

Pat Dollard has it

bnelson44 on March 28, 2008 at 8:31 PM

Call me old-fashioned, but I admit difficulty in accepting that free speech, the most prized liberty of Western Civilization, is on the verge of extinction before the altar of political correctness. Had someone pretended to predict we would become so akin to the societies whose values we detested when I was a teenager, I’d have called him an idiot.

This is bizarro world. Tell me it’s not so, guys. Tell me it’s not so.

Meanwhile, bravo to those who keep this virus alive.

petefrt on March 28, 2008 at 8:47 PM

“Wilders, who is a Muslim antagonist”, says it all about the main stream media.

Johan Klaus on March 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM

calbear on March 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM

My husband, who has not watched the various videos on Islam that we have, was not underwhelmed. He reacted very strongly and immediately mailed the link to numerous friends. Our reaction is not the one that is important really. We are all too familiar. What is important is that the hype surrounding it caught the attention of many who have little knowledge of Islam and they now may have a better idea of why we do what we do.

Connie on March 28, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Kudos to Michelle, Hot Air, LiveLeak and all who ignored the threats from that backwards religion and presented the film for all to see. Thanks.

Zorro on March 28, 2008 at 9:03 PM

And so it begins,I hope all American assests are on
High Alert!

canopfor on March 28, 2008 at 9:08 PM

SilverStar830 on March 28, 2008 at 9:03 PM

They’re based in Britain, so they’re not allowed to defend themselves, it ain’t like the US where you can buy yourself an AR or AK if things get bad. The LiveLeak crew have to bank on their government defending them, and given how squishy the British government is, I’d play it on the safe side too.

doubleplusundead on March 28, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Many businesses cannot afford to pay the costs of hiring security forces. Their job is not to fight, but to buy and sell. Liveleak did what they could. It is the governments of the nations that should be ashamed.

RiverCocytus on March 28, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Rosmerta on March 28, 2008 at 9:08 PM

…to Rosmerta and everyone else here who stumps for LiveLeak and their willing subserviant removal of the video, here’s their statement when they first posted it:

http://www.liveleak.com/fitnathemovie.html … and just in case they remove that out of trembling fear, here’s the copy n’ paste:

Liveleak.com presents “Fitna the Movie”

LiveLeak.com has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech as so far as the law and our rules allow. There was no legal reason to refuse Geert Wilders the right to post his film (Fitna) on LiveLeak.com and it is not our place to censor people based on an emotive response. We in no way endorse Geert Wilders, his views, nor the views expressed within Fitna. To many of us involved in LiveLeak.com some of the messages therein are personally offensive. That being said, our being offended is no reason to deny Mr Wilders the right to have his film seen. Pre-emptive censorship or a discriminatory policy towards freedom of speech are both things we oppose here on LiveLeak.com. A person has a simple, clear choice about whether to view this film. No one is being forced to view it and nor is it being broadcasted on every channel on their television set. If you click on media simply to be annoyed, it is pointless to blame others for your choice.

We do not intend on defending the content of Fitna, only our choice to allow it. Anyone has the full right of reply on LiveLeak.com. Any person or organizations are free to post their opinion and, dependent on said response falling within both the law and our rules, we will afford such responses equal exposure. There are undoubtedly better ways to spark a discussion but this film is now out there and we believe we should all grasp this opportunity to create an open dialogue and discussion on this subject.

Now, you folks can pick and prod at, and post, any of the assumptions you have. The fact is, they’re cowering children subserviant to their overlords. And in the US, doubleplusundead, you can’t just go “buy yourself an AR or AK if things get bad”. So quit being an apologistplusasshole.

LiveLeak posted and aired a conviction for free-speech and individual rights, and it lasted less than 24 hours before they put their tail between their legs and shat themselves.

Don’t apologize for LiveLeak, they’re dhimmi’s and Muslims mixed together, and the “offended” Muslim staff put their foot down, conviction for free-speech and individual rights be damned, and the video was removed.

So much for a “strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech”.

Make a stance, the boogey-man says, “BOO!”, and the axe held in sweaty palmed trembling hands falls. What a crock. What a joke. What a shame. What are you folks going to do when the overlords eventually come threatening you people, and/or your families, or your Muslim neighbor simply states, “Um, I’m offended, yo.”

Simpering supplicants to fear

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SilverStar830 on March 28, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Careful there.
I hear ( from more than one source) that the owner has had to move his family already.
Watch the blogs for a few days before you throw stones.
.
The folks at Patdollard.com know Hayden, one of the LL guys.

shooter on March 28, 2008 at 9:29 PM

I heard (from more than one source) bigfoot and flying saucers are real too. They have yet to be proved nonexistant.

I’m not throwing stones, and if I did, I don’t live in a glass house either.

They shouldn’t have posted their bold “unbiased freedom of speech” act then shat their pants when the boogey-man said boo. If you’re going to make a stand, for f**ks sake, STAND! Otherwise, you’ve simply given away your freedom, and your very soul, to those who MAKE YOU COWER AND TREMBLE IN FEAR AND MAKE YOU SUBMIT TO THEIR EVERY WHIM, based on threat.

Why you cannot see that for yourself is disturbing.

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SilverStar830 on March 28, 2008 at 9:45 PM

I apologize in advance for this long post, but it was a fantastic analysis of Europe posted by someone named Larson Less at LiveLeak:

Wilders, Islam and Europe
When controversies surrounding Islam emerge, whether it’s terrorism or cultural/religious friction, we’re often told that we must not blame Islam as such but only individuals who supposedly misinterpret or misuse it for their own selfish needs. I think t More..his is a totally erroneous view and I want to relate my personal experience with this religion to show why I believe so.

I’m a student at one of the largest European universities with a significant Muslim student body. This university of course is a very liberal institution which stresses inclusion and tolerance for all minorities and religions. Muslims here have numerous organizations and clubs; they have their own prayer rooms and they are even allowed to construct a large replica of Kaaba (the cube-like structure containing the Black Stone) on Ramadan, right in the centre of the campus. One would think that Muslims would be satisfied with these numerous accommodations and that we would all coexist in harmony. However, that proved to be insufficient and recently they asked the university to provide them with halal food. The administration of course has acquiesced and the university’s biggest restaurant has added halal products to its menu. But that was not enough. You see the restaurant, catering to all the students of course, sells alcoholic drinks. What’s more, it has a dance floor where people, well, dance… when they feel like it. Apparently though Allah forbids alcohol and dancing so the Muslim students’ union has asked the university to ban dancing and the sale of alcohol at the said restaurant in the name of tolerance and respect.

It’s unclear how all this will play out, since these brazen demands have created a backlash among even the most liberal of students. But the moral of the story is clear. We’re not dealing with extremists here. I’m sure that most of the Muslim students would condemn terrorism and that none of them would want to harm innocent people. They will graduate and find jobs. And yet they refuse to integrate culturally into the mainstream society. Why would that be? Islam is a community and a way of life; its members share common values, assumptions and moreover they are convinced that Islam is the only way since it is the God’s way. Being a cohesive group, Muslims promote their interests at the expense of the rest and their efforts will only intensify as their numbers and influence grow in our society. That’s why it’s misleading to attempt to draw a line between the extremists and non-extremists. Their means are different, but the end result – spread of Islam – is the same even if most Muslims do not ask themselves on a daily basis what they can do to advance their cause and would not want anything to do with terrorism. What’s happening at my university is a microcosm of what is taking place in Europe at large.

This brings me to another important point. Geert Wilders has done us a great service with his movie. The Muslims will likely violently overreact again like they did in the past, betraying their deep-seated insecurity, and more Europeans will start asking themselves whether they want their countries to continue mass immigration policies. This, however, is not enough. It’s not enough to expose Islam; it is essential to ask why Europe is falling pray to this alien religion. The reason is that Europeans have become a hollow, hedonistic and deracinated lot, with nothing with which to oppose Islam. Wilders urges Europeans to defend their freedom. Freedom is a great value, but without positive cultural imperatives, whether religious or national, it becomes a void which is now being filled by Islam. That’s why I doubt that many Europeans will rush to the ramparts to defend their freedom with which most of them do not know what do with anyways. In the final analysis then, if Europe does become Islamized we will only have ourselves to blame. European culture is the problem, not Islam. Islam is just a consequent.

Larson Less..

Troy Rasmussen on March 28, 2008 at 10:14 PM

My bad, that’s Larson 01, the “Less” means to shorten the view of his post.

Troy Rasmussen on March 28, 2008 at 10:43 PM

I caught this link from Robert at Jihad Watch

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

This is the english version. Robert linked to the Danish subtitled version.

Source is http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/

desertdweller on March 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Troy Rasmussen on March 28, 2008 at 10:43 PM

lol! Thanks.

Connie on March 28, 2008 at 11:04 PM

Almost as bad has been YouTube. When I first started noticing the jihadi videos on YouTube and complained, my complaints were met with a deafening silence. It was only after contacting Sequoia Capital General Partner Michael Moritz that YouTube began to police the videos after threatening to organize other veterans in protest.

Here’s the thing, LiveLeak has posted vast numbers of jihadi snuff videos and has generally refused to remove them after complaints (I know, I’ve tried). Most often refusals are met with the facile argument that they are standing up for freedom of expression. So it is curious to note that the knees go weak when thugs threaten violence. So much for high principles.

How about a little moral clarity LiveLeak. How about removing the terrorist snuff videos or might that also offend the tender sensibilities of these evil men.

moxie_neanderthal on March 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM

U.S. Embassy Amsterdam issued the following Warden Message on March 28:
A short film funded by Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders that is inflammatory towards Muslims was released on the Internet March 27, 2008.

And when AlJazera releases videos of westerners being decapitated slowly with a dirty dull knife, the US Embassy and the UN always come out with statements that the film is inflammatory to civilization and to warn of violent protests from the typical white westerners! /s

wepeople on March 28, 2008 at 11:16 PM

While not eloquent it is at least heartfelt. I just fired off the following message to LiveLeak. I have included a link to their contact form if you wish to convey your thoughts:
_____________________

I understand your concerns over Fitna and the threat of violence. I would suggest that a proper response would be to remove all of the jihadi/terrorist videos that your organization currently hosts. Many of the most vile snuff films are used for propaganda purposes and are consumed by the very types of people who are most likely to be threatening your staff. Western civilization MUST take a stand against those who wish to destroy the very essence of what it means to be a liberal, western democracy.

It is sad when a man such as Wilders has put his life on the line by sounding a clarion call and it is silenced through an act of self censorship. Appeasment never works, it only emboldens the enemies of freedom. We must take a stand. God help us all.

http://www.liveleak.com/contact_us

moxie_neanderthal on March 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM

What’s really aggravating about this is that Liveleak wrote this in their “we give up” message:

Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.

Educate all of us? I think the lesson learned here is that intimidation works. And “accepting one another’s culture” - we are accepting our dhimmitude, but that’s all the acceptance taking place these days. I guess they were trying to save a little face, but really, that was laughable. Or would be, if it weren’t so sad.

Laura on March 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM

The spike in the Muslim population in the Netherlands was incredible….RIP Netherlands…God help the USA and our naive and politically correct government.

Livefreeordie on March 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM

I’m not saying that LiveLeak shouldn’t take a stand, and I think some of their squishy PC statements a bit lame, but the Brits need to get things in order before they can be as bold as certain hotheads think they should be right now.

European people as a whole are in no position to make a strong stand right now because their governments have too much control over their daily lives, which means they’re completely reliant on their governments to defend them and the limited liberties they have, and we know their dhimmi govt’s won’t do a sufficient job. Look at how long it took for Ayaan Hirsi Ali to get protection.

doubleplusundead on March 29, 2008 at 12:05 AM

That said LL should also pull any pro-jihad videos due to fair play.

F15Mech on March 29, 2008 at 12:11 AM

F15Mech on March 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Which is my take, all you needed was a few hours from a solid host, and the video was gonna be everywhere. There will now be tons of sites that host it, tons of torrents, and it’ll be on millions of hard drives, ready to be uploaded at a moments notice. I guarantee that there will be people who keep uploading to video hosting sites as soon as it gets taken down.

doubleplusundead on March 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM

I guarantee that there will be people who keep uploading to video hosting sites as soon as it gets taken down.

doubleplusundead on March 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM

Exactly Bad Candy ;)

The English version is on my hard-drive thanks to LL.

I plan to start seeding it on BT in a couple of days.

F15Mech on March 29, 2008 at 12:31 AM

True enough but it WAS appeasement in the end.

jerrytbg on March 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM

I would not say appeasement but more like the US Army backing off so the Air Force can perform an air strike.

Did LL say they would start banning anti-jihad videos like youtube/google?

When LL posted the video they came under heavy fire, They held their ground long enough for the rest of the internet to take action.

Simple fact of the matter is that thanks to LL hosting the video as long as they did, their is no way Muslims can stop it from spreading,shut it down etc.

When LL was hosting it they could attack the source (which they did). They will be hard pressed to do that now.

F15Mech on March 29, 2008 at 12:49 AM

The movie is still available as as torrent on mininova.org as of 9:40 pm pacific time Friday evening. I just checked.

Vntnrse on March 29, 2008 at 1:00 AM

I am sure that our universities will line up to invite Wilders to their campus.

Johan Klaus on March 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM

There are currently 15 separate seeds going on here for the movie Fitna.

multiuseless on March 29, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Just watched at Pat Dollard’s site.

Bring it, you miserable pedophile-worshipping piglet pukes…we will NEVER bow to your bullshit yappity yapping.

Entelechy on March 29, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Don’t tell me you found the movie on a website other then LL. ;)

LL had the bandwidth and the balls to be the first to take on jihad with this movie. Hell they fed the jihadist’s a pork sandwich.

F15Mech on March 29, 2008 at 1:25 AM

disappointed

Drunk Report on March 29, 2008 at 3:13 AM

Give me liberty or give me…uh…never mind…

infra173 on March 29, 2008 at 3:34 AM

We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.

“Dearest Sophie, We fought the British as long as we dared, yet in the end, the weight upon our souls was too great and we laid down our arms. The revolution is done.”

Nope. Didn’t happen.

“Dear Elizabeth,
My men have no stomach to fight the Germans anymore. We all grow weary of the insufferable cold and the smell of death. Let the Germans have Europe I say, it is none of our concern and the war is lost for us here.”

Nope. Not here either.

“Hi Boo,
Me and the guys were try’n to find a way out of the shit for good and get State-side again. It’s just miles and miles of endless sand out here. Who give’s a f**ck if Saddam wants nukes and kills his own people? It’s his f**cki’n country right? This f**ing war is just draggin on and we ain’t winning it.”

Nope, we won that one, too.
And we’ll win the one we’re in now as well.

So, LiveLeak’s “explanation” just sounds like cowardly, liberal B.S. to me.

* You know, we still treat terrorism threats within our own country as a law enforcement matter, when really we should have a task force that can swoop in at moment’s notice to eradicate these scum with extreme prejudice. They are not criminals — they are enemy combatants on our soil, and they deserve no protection from our laws.

jcmorris on March 29, 2008 at 4:17 AM