LiveLeak pulls “Fitna” after receiving “very serious” threats
posted at 4:41 pm on March 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“In the end the price was too high.”
Update: I haven’t tried the torrents here but you’re welcome to if you haven’t seen the film yet.
Update: Don’t worry, the film’s still around. Google Video has it for the moment and I hear that it’s up and down on YouTube too. When all else fails, just search for “fitna” and “torrent” and all should be well. They don’t call it “viral video” for nothing: Once it’s released into the population, you can never quite stamp it out. LiveLeak did its job for as long as it needed to.
Update: Readers are adding links in the comments to other downloadable versions. Get your copy today.
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Cowards.
Spanglemaker on March 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM
As I wrote:
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Download the Torrent here: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1277564
ketket on March 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Ugh, and after their strong statement about freedom of speech and all that. I thought some lefties had actually grown a pair. Sadly I was mistaken.
Jeff_McAwesome on March 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM
It should be noted that the film is still available on YouTube and torrents.
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 4:44 PM
So… showing what the religion of constant outrage constantly preaches and does is an insult. I’m outraged.
Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 4:44 PM
And the
terrorismbeat goes on…simon on March 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM
It’s also available through Google Video.
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Give me Liberty or Give me Death be damned..
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM
I guess only Americans who wear a uniform feel that our rights are worth dying for. To the 99% in this country who have never served you need to thank every one of that 1% who choose to serve.
And now SDSTFU
Just A Grunt on March 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM
I demand that Live Leak pull every piece of Jihadi death porn they have on their site, or they will pay a high price.
BohicaTwentyTwo on March 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM
I found the part about the British media reports to be enlightening…
Bet someone published the name of the staff, and addresses and such…
Romeo13 on March 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Wilders’ point proven.
elpresidente on March 28, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Direct download here:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bodnck
Its about 50 MB and also in MP4 format.
Utah Boy on March 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM
The fact that it left people who actually watched it “underwhelmed” sort of shows that the main point to it was not its content but to see what its reception would be. Also, note that Liveleak blames “ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff.” Why does the nation with which we have our “special relationship” seem worse than the so-called “axis of weasels” when it comes to Western values such as freedom of association and religion (in the UK), freedom of speech (worldwide, and not only in this instance), and law and order (in Iraq)?
calbear on March 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM
This situation is just SICK. The footage Geert Wilders used in Fitna is readily available for anyone to access and already exists. In fact much of the footage Muslims are familiar with and are the cause of the existence of the footage itself, they produced the material and it is rather silly of them to now have issues with the footage since they did it themselves.
The fact that Geert Wilders compiled the footage together with quotes from the Quran (which are readily available to anyone who wants to open the book) and other news footage that we have already seen before, the controversy of this film is rather bewildering!
What did Geert Wilders do that is so offensive and criminal?
All he did was compile readily available footage into one video. Interesting, eh?!
ketket on March 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM
All the more reason to register every single Muslim in America. Put every single mosque on notice that they are being watched and listened to. And deport every single Muslim who daily manners consist of the sort of thing found on RevolutionMuslim. com
Drum on March 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Religion of Peace!
jaime on March 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Why am I not surprised? The religion of peace is anything but that.
HawaiiLwyr on March 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Rusty’s links still work for those who haven’t seen it yet.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191989.php
Lance Murdock on March 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM
you have to love that religion of peace.
vinllo on March 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM
There were millions who viewed this through various sites. The rop just can’t deal with this, seeing who and what those murders are. I pray for the safety for those who had the courage to show these snakes for what they are.
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letget on March 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM
And the terrorists see no irony in the fact that in their outrage over being depicted as murderers, they threaten to murder anyone who suggests such a thing. I don’t know much about Wilders and his extended viewpoint, but as far as his film, I didn’t think Fitna showed or said anything that hasn’t been said anywhere else.
CP on March 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Islam is a Religion of Peace, and we’ll murder anyone who says we’re not!
jaime on March 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Hmmm… I wonder if the UN Human Rights Council will condemn the Death Threats!
Somehow I think the answer will be…. no…
Romeo13 on March 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
In a way I’m glad. As AP said his point is being proven. Just how many documentaries will be purged before people start to notice that major uprising occurs whenever anyone tries to illuminate us infidels to the world of the Religion of PeaceTM?
NTWR on March 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Not only will we muslims murder anyone who says our religion isn’t peaceful, we’ll murder anyone who lets them say it!
jaime on March 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
THANK YOU!! You are in my thoughts and prayers constantly
Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
We can’t let this just go away. Liveleak may no longer host it, but those who downloaded it should seed it everywhere they can. We lost one small battle with LL, but they shouldn’t be allowed to succeed in silencing the film on the net.
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM
“This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else.”…….Good thing we still have others who are willing to lay down their lives for freedom above all else
jed58 on March 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Dhimmitude.
smellthecoffee on March 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM
At some point, this whole free speech issue is going to spark some major physical confrontation with the Muslim world in a location not presently involved in such. I don’t think the principle is going to be given up that easily by the free world. I don’t know when, where, or how, but at some point a tipping point will be reached and it won’t just be a few courageous souls under threat from the jihadists, but a major backlash washing over the censors. Once that point is reached, I’m afraid some ugly things ae going to happen, and probably to innocents who happen to get in the way. Perhaps that is what the Islamists are trying to provoke, but once started it will be hard to extinguish. It seems inevitable at the present pace.
a capella on March 28, 2008 at 5:03 PM
When you’re getting death threats and your employees are threatened with harm, I don’t blame LiveLeak for pulling it. But as said, they DID host it when no one else would.
And as AP pointed out, it was up long enough to do the job. There are now copies all over the web.
My hat’s off to LiveLeak.
JetBoy on March 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM
If this isn’t an full on assault against free speech, then I don’t know what is.
Islam has declared war on the free nations of the world.
It’s time to stand up to this murderous bullies.
Kini on March 28, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Agreed. As I said, the film itself was nothing new and a bit of a damp squib. The ’story’ is the degree to which the west is now cowed as bit by bit, all opposition to Islam is snuffed out. This is what is truly terrifying.
On balance I say kudos to LiveLeak for having the balls to show this at all. It is easy for us to sit in our houses typing and whining about how this and that person is a ‘coward’ but frankly, I have not yet had a personal threat of violence against me and I’m not about to criticise someone else who feels the price is too high for them. They did the right thing for as long as they felt they could and I applaud them.
schiehallion on March 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Don’t blame LiveLeak. I would have done the same thing.
malan89 on March 28, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Not a good development.
Wilders has had the jihadis make his point for him and this thing is seeded as a torrent all over the net.
Once the Jihadis work out decentralised communications protocols then freedom of speech will be dead.
Given their general technical cluelessness I think that’s not likely.
Ares on March 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Are the threats being followed up, I wonder? There s/b consequences against that.
Entelechy on March 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Agreed. They showed incredible courage just doing what they’ve done already. Many, many people have already been brutally slaughtered for less.
inviolet on March 28, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Reporters around the world s/b on top of this, in support of free speech. Let’s see how they handle it.
Entelechy on March 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Now is a good time to take a few minutes and read Dan Simmon’s story of the Time Traveler. We’re going to be at war a long time, and people in the future are going to look back – just as we look at Chamberlain and others – and wonder why on earth we were so slow to understand what was happening not just around us, but TO us.
Laura on March 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Y’all who are bashing Liveleak need to stop and think for a moment. Without knowing the exact nature of the threats, you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Employers do have a level of responsibility for the safety of their employees.
flipflop on March 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM
And now that the terrorists have made Wilders’ point for him (didn’t take long, did it), the video has fully done its job.
Amazing to me how appallingly stupid the jihadists are. You’d think they wouldn’t be so brainless as to – about 24 hours later no less – completely prove the depiction they’re protesting against.
inviolet on March 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM
I said something similar over at Ace. Liveleak tried but they were stabbed in the back by British media. They stood up for freedom of speech instead of bowing to the alter of PC leftism. So what did the press do? Tried to intimidate them and/or get them murdered.
The press is scum. They are no better than drug pushers. A real shameful job they’ve chosen. I hear there is a certain spot in hell where traitors burn. Enjoy it, rats.
ZRyan on March 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM
I wouldn’t call LiveLeak cowards just yet. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they received threats of violence against their offices or employees. I can totally sympathize that they wouldn’t want to weigh that against the maintaining of a single video.
MadisonConservative on March 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Canadian TV. Geert Wilders controversial internet film is being condemed and he dyes his hair
William Amos on March 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM
http://www.keepvid.com allows you to easily copy a Google video (or youtube) file onto your computer as a flash file (need flash video player. Lots free on the web) Here are the links to download directly
Flash Video player:
http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10467081.html
flash video:
http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=twAAAH6ugZCtyNKbO-mQfjalY6JWgI-UuR4vwsG9QUHiytAiYYSdp5t9tBJkZc31wnglsvGldzZNqeOPxNTtvQ6ZYFuCn9uPfvfj6kFpPyVsB521YgRrjvyQ60fUmGxFerEg70A_sY4rxXs1C_90MGiHQv6s3TEpXFRKhVNtFA5N6dXqHI-AKEwgNkGca4eoCMZ9GXmYv1Y72IXRKZXsFh2CAJmJFTF2581LKf5phORC_mW5fVY2-QujyyMKFKhp8vJ2AQ
mp4 (iPod, PSP)
http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=twAAAH6ugZCtyNKbO-mQfjalY6JWgI-UuR4vwsG9QUHiytAiWpa0uIAxfDUbcYV8SgK9O7WGfpJQCDSOCipYNA4XZevtn5ABeSMGiXXae_9mgsgFxyTk9ZvSMoAagLeHMJT72tC0PMztdfB7ibrMdK0W7JG6vq3pF4nenjl7pyPBIlvId0pBi1ZR6YT4lklVpWjN6O3q_ZkpFXPqZEi6X4phzhNgtl2ubM1WmM9c30CqzmJBYM4UuPpPKKIw2iAj1J6zhQ&sigh=4MB9W1dfj-gxXAFcoaQtTn4vQSg&begin=0&len=1008352&docid=3369102968312745410
Just finished downloading the video. It works.
marioworld5@gmail.com on March 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Thanks Laura,
I read that story over a year ago and like an idiot I never book marked it. I’ve been looking for that link ever since.
Great short story.
Thanks again
ChrisM on March 28, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Active personnel isn’t even 1/2 of 1% I think. I am thankful for every person who does make the choice to use their life in that manner, and for the risk they take in doing so.
In all respects, as has briefly been touched on in second amendment threads, I think you’ll find there are a lot more reservist patriots who will be ready to risk their lives if real government crackdown begins, and they won’t be wearing uniforms. While I respect every soldier, I think there are plenty of Americans who would take the initiative if the opportunity presented itself.
If any of LiveLeak’s employees were aware of what this movie was, they knew the potential consequences, and did it anyway. I hold that in high regard as well. However, just as there would be no benefit in a lone soldier rushing impossible odds at the risk of his life, there would be no benefit to an organization like LiveLeak losing lives over a single video. There will be others.
MadisonConservative on March 28, 2008 at 5:29 PM
I have respect for those who fight for our freedom. I don’t though have respect for someone who would fight for freedom but then make the case that only those who have fought have actually earned the right to say anything.
The whole point of this is that no one should shut up. Free speech is a precious thing, but it’s up to the individual to decide if he/she wants to die for it. And a company shouldn’t make that decision for its staff. Live Leak wasn’t just covering its own butt. It had many other people to consider.
What is with all of you denouncing Live Leak over this?
It’s just a video, and as many have already said, it’s not even the best of its kind out there. If Live Leak doesn’t want to risk the lives of its staff, then it shouldn’t have to do so.
Esthier on March 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Allah, might wanna put a content warning on your torrent link there for the ads it uses.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM
ChrisM, you’re welcome. :-)
Laura on March 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Hmmm… we can agree.
Esthier on March 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM
BTW Remember to seed :)
- The Cat
MirCat on March 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM
I just read that story, Laura. Thanks for the link.
ZRyan on March 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I thought I’d jump into the hosting wagon. There can never be too many mirrors. The video is uploading right now and should be done in a couple of minutes.
http://fanderbiles.blogspot.com
fanderbiles on March 28, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Kudos to LiveLeak for posting it, boo for taking it down. BUT, I understand that we are dealing with people that blow themselves up. No matter what LiveLeak has posted in the past, they have no choice but to take very seriously the threats they receive. Granted, LiveLeak posts some of the most graphically disturbing videos out there, but until Fitna nobody has dared to threaten LiveLeak directly.
Al in favor or nuking Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, raise your hand. (pending proper notification and removal of all friendly troops)
cannonball on March 28, 2008 at 5:41 PM
What really gets my goose is that much of the content within the video was filmed by these radical Muslim savages themselves. If they don’t want the world to see it, why did they video tape it? They should be happy that the West is spreading their love for Allah around the world.
Friggin’ savages.
cannonball on March 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Hey come on now, I’m still here and I ain’t a scared!
Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Amen to that.
mikeyboss on March 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Just a Grunt
Thank you for your service! BTW my offer still stands to visit your grandparents tomorrow when a bunch of us USMC Nam vets go visit our friends at Ft Snelling. The MN legislature made tomorrow Vietnam Veterans Day in MN. I KNOW there are those of us ready to fight the Islamic threat here. Nothing worse than a 50 plus year old Marine combat vet who is totally P.O.’d
MNDavenotPC on March 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Geert Wilders = Hero
Could any of us do this? In a nation like the Netherlands–a nation afraid of it’s own immigrants?
And to think that in American, Liberals are STILL trying to remove our individual right to bear arms.
I hope Geert is packing.
Montana on March 28, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Can one single radical Islamic extremist stop for a moment to tell us exactly what is wrong or inaccurate within the Fitna video? Were some of the Koran excerpts improperly translated? Are they upset that Western music was used? Are they hurt because the clips stopped short of seeing the actual decapitations taking place? Were they looking for their names in the credits?
The video is accurate. The events are real. Much of the video was produced by these maniacs. The headlines are real.
W T F ? ? ?
cannonball on March 28, 2008 at 5:52 PM
I agree, but I’m betting some group in Europe – possibly up Norway way – will do it. They’ll then be made an example of by the political castrati wholly owned and punked by the Islamic Victim-o-Matic machine.
Speaking of the Dan Simmons story…I believe I know exactly what the Time Traveler’s last three words are. Anyone else think they know?
splink on March 28, 2008 at 5:52 PM
When push finally comes to shove, I would like to think the folks up Geert’s way will grow the stones to go Viking on the invaders. But I’m honestly not sure…so much has been bred out of western society over the past 50 years.
splink on March 28, 2008 at 5:53 PM
My second post is a rethink of the first: I do NOT think retaliation will happen on any meaningful [national] scale, and so the invasion has already won. But then I’m a pessimist, what do I know.
splink on March 28, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Yep, it’s been waaaay past the time for our leaders to untie the military’s hands and allow them to take their gloves off. Not doing so is a slap in the face of our brave military men and women and gives our enemy the will and means to continue to wage war against us!
When will the sleeping US giant be awakened and set free to do what needs to be done, hopefully sooner rather than later!
Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Patrick Henry’s quote means a little bit more to us today, doesn’t it?
He had the bravery to say that he would rather give up his life than give up his freedom.
We have been “the Land of the Free” precisely because we have been “the home of the Brave”.
As for fear of threats, here’s what works for me:
No weapon formed against me shall prosper, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Jesus is Lord.
Red Pill on March 28, 2008 at 5:57 PM
That was a great story, I would say religion of peace?
Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Just finished reading it. Excellent story.
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM
For an organization that doesn’t adhere to the message of the film for some reason they seem to have found it quite plausible that the people threatening them were likely to act on those threats.
Zetterson on March 28, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Heh – nice catch. Ya think a retraction of their original statement is in order, or what?
Laura on March 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM
“Filmmaker killed by Islamists for making film that says filmmakers are killed by Islamists for making films that say filmmakers are killed by Islamists.”
Rod on March 28, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Patrick Henry’s quote means a little bit more to us today, doesn’t it?
He had the bravery to say that he would rather give up his life than give up his freedom.
We have been “the Land of the Free” precisely because we have been “the home of the Brave”.
Red Pill on March 28, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Yes his quote has a lot of meaning these days. I have a Culpeper Minute Men flag in my garage and the insignia in my office. These aren’t just words to me, while I’m past the age to join the military my father served this country for 27 years, he’s in his 80’s now and saw a lot of SH*T and risked his life for the great nation of ours and I’ll be damned if I’ll let his efforts and sacrifice be for nothing.
I will not hesitate to defend this great country for one second if shiite hits the fan here and the Islamo-fascists decide to grow a pair and confront us militarily (unlike their cowardly act on 9-11) here in the homeland.
I’m locked and loaded!!
Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM
So, what’s your guess?
Laura on March 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM
I posted the film yesterday and I don’t get why it is so controversial. I’ve seen the same and worse in blog posts for years. Any one of us could pull video and stills of various terrorist attacks and add commentary showing the various responses that occurred as a result. What is so earthshaking about that? Nada, as far as I am concerned.
Pal2Pal on March 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM
I wonder if the Jihadist get dizzy from their own spin cause’ it’s making my head spin!
Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM
As if we needed any more evidence – the violent threats prove Fitna’s point about this cult of perpetual outrage, hate & violence.
locomotivebreath1901 on March 28, 2008 at 6:21 PM
“You will convert.”
splink on March 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Exactly. So, now that these members of the left have been cowed into submission against their stated will, is it possible that they will begin to see the issue the way I do? After all, LiveLeak’s first press on this was that they don’t agree with anything Wilders is saying, but I didn’t hear him say anything at all; all he did was string together a bunch of video and photographic evidence of the murderous filth that is Islamic radicalism.
Still don’t agree, LiveLeak libs?
Jaibones on March 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM
Laura
Thank for that story. I’m surmising the three words are ” Peace is submission”
MNDavenotPC on March 28, 2008 at 6:27 PM
It’ll never happen.
It will be more 9-11’s and 7-7’s.
That’s their M.O..
BallisticBob on March 28, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Including our political leaders’ will to protect our right of Free Speech.
RushBaby on March 28, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Issueing a fatwa against radical (if you can tell the difference) islam.
Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 6:33 PM
I want to know if liveleak reported the threats to the FBI, CIA or whoever? Did they? Or did they simply want to tuck their tails between their legs instead?
Kokonut on March 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Hmmm… thinkin on it a bit…
Why is this even being hosted by a private third party type of site?
Wouldn’t it make sense that because Freedom of Speech is so important to NEW organizations, that they would be willing to host this thing?
Or, GASP, the US Government? Under the guise of Freedom of Speech?
Romeo13 on March 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Edmund Burke
faraway on March 28, 2008 at 6:46 PM
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke
faraway on March 28, 2008 at 6:48 PM
oops, I actually posted it 3 times because it never showed up (til now)
faraway on March 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I was on a completely different track, thinking of phrases like, “Boston anthrax attack.”
Laura on March 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Pat Dollard is now hosting a copy of Fitna.
amerpundit on March 28, 2008 at 6:51 PM
You folks do realize they are a UK company right?
TheBigOldDog on March 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM
Fear. Self-Interest. Honor.
ChrisM on March 28, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Yes, hence the comment about only uniformed Americans. Which American news agency is providing access to the video?
Les in NC on March 28, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Their country was on the losing end of that statement.
TheBigOldDog on March 28, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Google and on occasion it seems, Youtube
TheBigOldDog on March 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM
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