LiveLeak pulls “Fitna” after receiving “very serious” threats

posted at 4:41 pm on March 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

“In the end the price was too high.”

Update: I haven’t tried the torrents here but you’re welcome to if you haven’t seen the film yet.

Update: Don’t worry, the film’s still around. Google Video has it for the moment and I hear that it’s up and down on YouTube too. When all else fails, just search for “fitna” and “torrent” and all should be well. They don’t call it “viral video” for nothing: Once it’s released into the population, you can never quite stamp it out. LiveLeak did its job for as long as it needed to.

Update: Readers are adding links in the comments to other downloadable versions. Get your copy today.

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Those of you who are criticizing LiveLeak for pulling Fitna quite frankly make me sick.

Welcome to the real world. These islamists know no quarter. They are savages and don’t work within the boundaries of reasonable, rational human beings. Look at that video of them sawing the head off of Nick Berg again. Now imagine that’s your brother. Your father. YOUR SON. You have every right to sacrifice your own life – you have no right whatsoever to sacrifice theirs.

What if it was your wife – your children – your family that were threatened? If your family were dying in searing pain, do you think it would be possible to comfort them, to make them understand, that they had to die because you had to do the “right thing”?

I applaud LiveLeak for hosting the film for as long as they did. It’s on millions of computers and being distributed on thousands of torrents, spreading like wildfire across the Internet and the world. They brought the film to the world’s attention when no one else would. The world has it now.

Flame away, I don’t care. I’m done here.

knivek on March 29, 2008 at 4:34 AM

Easy to say for them to keep it up…but if your daughter was hung from a tree, with her entrails hanging out, you wouldn’t be the one to say it was worth it.
Or if your employee’s house was fire bombed and everyone was killed…
When it gets like this, with no guarantee of protection from the government, you do what you can and then retreat till another day.
How easy it is to sit behind a keyboard, anonymously, and call other people gutless.

right2bright on March 28, 2008 at 7:18 PM

What’s with the entrails?
Isn’t the normal reaction when threatened, to simply shoot their damn asses off? Their “terroristic threats” are a crime in every square inch of this country. But we’re a bit less vulnerable than the Brits are.

Maybe the British are now mired in dhimmitude, providing no protection to LiveLink, but here in the states, Network Solutions really sucked up to those scumbags. That was gutless for an American company to do.

Lure them out, identify them, and they’ll face 20 years in prison or, well, you know….
Of course,I live in Texas. We like to kill scumbags down here.

I applaud LiveLeak for putting the video out there. It’s gone viral, and many millions of people will see it, as I have.
They’ve done their job well.

Instead of fearing our enemies, even these inept raving dolts, we should simply think of ways to destroy them. It’s much more interesting…

TexasJew on March 29, 2008 at 5:04 AM

…ain’t like the US where you can buy yourself an AR or AK if things get bad.

doubleplusundead on March 28, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Any law abiding US citizen that doesn’t live in the People’s Republics of NY, Massachusetts, Illinois or California could grab a credit card or wad of cash, go to a gun shop or FFL tomorrow morning and have a semi-auto AK or AR bought and in their hands in a week, you ignorant f*cking twat. You can’t do that in Britain, beyond that its against the law to defend yourself there.

doubleplusundead on March 28, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Well then. For the sake of argument, let’s hope that if thing’s ‘get bad’, everyone will have a mound of money and week of good fortune ’til the ‘bad thing’ gets to em… here in the good ole US of A.

Britain, the U.S., outer Mongoloia… wtf is the difference if you’re going to make a stand, toot your horn about it for all the world to see, then immediately crap your pants at the first gnashing of teeth. You care to blame the British Government for this?

I guess that’s what’s called “9/11 Syndrome”. ‘Blame the government, it’s easy to do and there’s no way to refute the fact that the government is ultimately responsible for your ultimate protection.’ I suppose then, that the icing on the cake is; damn them if they do, because they’ll take away your rights in order to protect you. And damn them if they don’t, because it’s the government’s job to do so!

There comes a time, when you’re all growed up son, that when you say you’re making a stand, you actually make a stand. There comes a time, when you put childish things behind you, like supplicating yourself to fear and bullying. Otherwise, you should probably as well keep your convictions and your mouth to yourself and immediately acquiesce on bended knee.

SilverStar830 on March 29, 2008 at 5:51 AM

We’re running the Fitna video at Libertarian Republican blog

Here’s the scorecard for the entire libertarian blogosphere:

Libertarian sites standing up for free speech rights, and running the video:

Libertarian Republican blog
Atlas Shrugs
Average Gay Joe Patriot
Born Again Redneck

Sort of running the video:

Reason.com who have hidden it from their front page and rendered it to the H&R Blog section

Not running the video:

Cato
Libertarian Party lp.org
LewRockwell.com
AntiWar.com
Knappster
Libertarian Girl
NolanChart.com
Liberty Papers
The Free Liberal
Any of the Ron Paul sites

It should be noted that all of these so-called “libertarian” sites in the prior category were all in favor of free speech rights, when it came to the recent Ron Paul Newsletter flap. Now, they are all noticeably absent.

Perhaps we should now call HotAir.com, Little Green Footballs, Jawa Report, and the like now officially “REAL LIBERTARIANS.” And the other so-called “libertarian” sites, FAKES.

ericdondero on March 29, 2008 at 8:29 AM

Total video n00b questions:
how does one save the video on one’s hard drive? And is that legal to do if you don’t run a blog?

inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM

What? How many people work at LiveLeak? I’m guessing somewhere between hot dog cart and Orange Julius kiosk. Right now the video is #1 at piratebay.org:

http://thepiratebay.org/top/204

In fact it’s 1,2,3, and 4, followed closely by some milf porn and all amateur XXX. Take that, muslim world!

how does one save the video on one’s hard drive? And is that legal to do if you don’t run a blog?

You google bittorrent and do some reading. Generally if you have no idea how to store video files on your hard drive that means you don’t know how to store anything on your hard drive. Seek a tutorial. Is it legal? Depends on the video. This video is being disseminated gratis. However, if you look around pirate bay you’ll see movies for download that are still in theaters or ripped from DVDs. That’s a “grey area” for most. Me? I hate Hollywood but I love a good story.

manfriend on March 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM

You google bittorrent and do some reading. manfriend on March 29, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Thanks for the lead. Will do just that.

inviolet on March 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM

It’s a powerful 16 minutes, even the credits are dramatic. I’ve had a burning hatred for the toweled ones since the late 70s but whenever I see scenes from 9/11 or beheadings it brings me back to a boiling point. You have to look back to Nazi Germany to find a culture as crazed, morally vacant, hell bent on indoctrinating every follower from cradle to bomb crater grave. We’re just an Obama away from being forced to hunt and kill, or convert at the end of a bayonet, every muslim on this planet. They will force even the liberal’s hands when they rain hell on earth upon us when we’re being led by reigning champion of platitudes and group-hug diplomacy.

We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig. Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army. -Colonel Walter E. Kurtz

You can download that from piratebay.org too!

manfriend on March 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Well then. For the sake of argument, let’s hope that if thing’s ‘get bad’, everyone will have a mound of money and week of good fortune ’til the ‘bad thing’ gets to em… here in the good ole US of A.

You’re telling me you can’t plop down $5-600 for a cheapo AK and some Russian surplus ammo in order to save your own life? Hell, you can get an SKS for $100-150 if the AK is too much. Money should be no excuse when it comes to saving your friggin’ life.

As for the time, if you’re going to do something major that you know is gonna be provocative toward people known to be irrationally violent, I hope you’re smart enough to think, hmm…maybe time to think about having a means to protect myself a week or more in advance. Crazy, I know.

You care to blame the British Government for this?

I guess that’s what’s called “9/11 Syndrome”. ‘Blame the government, it’s easy to do and there’s no way to refute the fact that the government is ultimately responsible for your ultimate protection.’ I suppose then, that the icing on the cake is; damn them if they do, because they’ll take away your rights in order to protect you. And damn them if they don’t, because it’s the government’s job to do so!

No, I blame the Brits for letting their government take away so much of their liberties unopposed, if anything stems from this, it ought to be a recognition that the line “There is no First without the Second” is absolutely true.

A government is ultimately going to weigh its options when it comes to preserving your life and defending your liberties, and at least in the US, you have a fighting chance to fend for yourself when the government says “eh, not worth it.” You have zero chance in Britain. The Brits have to get their own authoritarian government in check before they can go after the jihadis.

doubleplusundead on March 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM

The same lesson can also be applied to their health care system vs. ours. Their government can say, “eh, not worth it,” over there, and you’re f*cked. Here, you at least try and save up money or seek out a charity to save your ass.

doubleplusundead on March 29, 2008 at 10:21 AM

By the way, Youtube is blocking some of the more popular postings of the Fitna video from the front page. The only video related to it on the Most Viewed page for today is a response video with relatively few views when compared to the top posting of the original for today, which is at around 320k.

Typhonsentra on March 29, 2008 at 10:39 AM

“We must also recognize that the real fault line is not between Muslim and Western societies, as some would have us believe, but between small minorities of extremists, on different sides, with a vested interest in stirring hostility and conflict,” U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said.

The predictable dhimmis fall into predictable lockstep.

moxie_neanderthal on March 29, 2008 at 11:05 AM

LiveLeak, YouTube et al should respond by pulling all of the terrorist/pro jihadi/snuff films off their networks, period.

How ironic that they have painted themselves into a corner by which they facilitate the propaganda interests of the very people that threaten them. LiveLeak and YouTube provide these propaganda services under the very cause of free speech but deny the same rights to those who wish to counter the Islamist’s illiberal message.

Who qualifies for free speech? Terrorists,islamists and jihadists. The rest of western civilization be damned.

moxie_neanderthal on March 29, 2008 at 11:18 AM

LiveLeak and YouTube provide these propaganda services under the very cause of free speech but deny the same rights to those who wish to counter the Islamist’s illiberal message.

I sent them something along those lines via the LL contact form somebody linked upthread. Shorter version – you’ve been feeding the beast that now threatens to eat you; maybe you should reconsider what you’re doing.

Laura on March 29, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Fitna and the upcoming R rated pedophile cartoon both benefit from the anticipatory publicity created when the authors announce their intentions in advance. It creates the buzz necessary to keep interest up and primes the Islamist target audience to react exactly as this one has. As long as the desired reaction is achieved, I anticipate a growing number of these things. If the jihadists ignored them, the film value would be lost, but that won’t happen because they can’t be controlled by a single authority, and threats of violence are the only way they know to effectively protest. These productions will continue to be made available and will probably become more graphic and provocative. The symbolism of flipping the bird to the PC establishment is striking.

a capella on March 29, 2008 at 11:43 AM

I might add that all the governments, agencies, human rights commissions, and media outlets presently engaged in whack a mole PC apologies to Islam, won’t be able to plug all the holes in the dike as this thing builds steam.

a capella on March 29, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Thank you LIVE LEAK for giving me FITNA for one day. My sympathy goes to them for feeling threats to staff forced them to pull it. However, the internet is to broad and powerful for any one identity to keep it silent. This valuable doc must and will be seen by concerned citizens on this planet. The biggest threat to civilization is not global warming, not the AIDS virus, not even cancer… It is RADICAL ISLAM…. If we stand by idle to this threat, it will destroy us. WAKE UP WORLD, this means you EUROPE…

pueblo1032 on March 29, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Curious that the left has turned a deaf ear to the clarion call of resistance.

Fitna
by H. Numan

It’s almost time for Wilders to show his movie, and the Left have sharpened their blunt clubs. We can’t see Fitna — yet — as several activists complained to Network Solutions, where Wilders possibly planned to host his movie. I say “possibly”, because I don’t think Wilders intends to use Network Solutions. First of all because they already caved in, and secondly, because I don’t think Network Solutions can handle so much expected traffic to a site they host.

Yesterday, the IS (International Socialists) hosted a demonstration on the Dam in Amsterdam. Nederland bekend kleur (translated: “The Netherlands admits color”). This demo was supposed to show solidarity with ethnic minorities, but in actuality it was a ‘let’s bash Wilders in public’ demo.

It was a complete fizzle. At least 5,000 demonstrators were expected. Less than a thousand showed up. The national media weren’t even present.

IS went full blast: they invited everybody remotely important, and 50 VIP’s were silly enough to be present. Many of them are known left-wing politicians or wannabes: Ed van Thijn (PvdA), Mrs. Groenteman (left-wing wannabe), but also Hans Dijkstal, a man who should have known much better. Dijkstal is a VVD politician, not exactly somebody you’d expect to be present in Trotskyite demonstration. However, Dijkstal represents the ultra left wing of the VVD, so his presence together with former party leader Ed Nijpels is not that unusual. Also because both Dijkstal and Nijpels are now retired politicians. Anything to get into the limelight!

Rather unusual: no sitting parliamentarian attended this demonstration. Not even Groen Links or the Socialist Party. The reason: the parliament found unanimously that this demonstration was a direct personal and slanderous attack on the person of Mr. Wilders, a fellow parliamentarian. Which made Dijkstal and Nijpels look like the outcasts they actually are.
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Notable artists attended this demonstration fizzle, but some will not be happy that they did. The singer Frank Boeyen for example. Many of his fans didn’t appreciate it. It might be he gained a few during the demonstration, but he surely lost many more because of his presence. And even more because he, in the past, supported free speech… His audience clearly doesn’t appreciate turncoats.

As might be expected, the Fitna movie has been the talk of the day for many months. Other activists try to make it more difficult to find the movie, once it comes out, by spiffing the domain: they bought fitnathemovie.nl, org, doc, any domain name will do as long as it might divert traffic from this accursed movie.

Are Mohammedans really democratic? Well, in a democratic nation we do not practice censorship. Which means nobody can forbid Wilders to produce his movie. Only if and when he does he can be held responsible. A Muslim organization, the NMO (Dutch Muslim Broadcasting Organization) filed a kort geding, (a special fast track civil law suite) to force censorship before publication. Which, of course, is utterly impossible, given the current law in The Netherlands, and shows how desperate left-wing activists must be.

I’m not sure how many people, organizations and lawyers already filed lawsuits against Wilders. Gerard Spong, one of the best known (by criminals, that is) lawyers of The Netherlands did so too, with a team of law students, no less. So far, no luck. Not one lawsuit has been handled in court. All those intended lawsuits got much media attention. The fact that not one of them has been in court doesn’t. At least fifty lawsuits have been filed. None of them handled…

We saw several pillars of the politically correct establishment make complete fools of themselves: Doekle Terpstra and Harry de Winter. The last one is pretty well off, he can afford to dump €10,000 in a ditch. Both performed so well as national village idiots that for the foreseeable decades they won’t be offered anything else.

And let’s not forget our elected betters: the government and the civil administration. The prime minister cannot be held responsible for leaking as he didn’t do it. But the first rumors about the Fitna movie came from his ministry. From that moment on he showed he lacks something substantial: balls. He begged for forgiveness (for what? Nobody has even seen the movie!) and told the world not all Dutch are like that.

The Dutch embassy in Beirut shares his medical problem. They stopped hoisting the Dutch flag over the embassy compound ‘so as not to infuriate sensitive feelings’. That one didn’t ride well in parliament. The whole house was furious, and instructed the minister of foreign affairs, if necessary, to go personally to Beirut to hoist the flag! And that the complete staff of the embassy should be replaced immediately. The argument from the ambassador was waived aside, and rightly so. Not hoisting the flag doesn’t mean the embassy is invisible. We won’t hear much more about it, but rest assured that some careers will be terminated over this.

And the Dutch population in general? It seems most people support Wilders. If not actively, certainly passively. Demonstrations against Wilders fizzle out. This ‘Holland admits color’ isn’t the first one. In the past, the Left never found it difficult to drum up thousands of supporters for whatever reason. In fact, several left-wing activists boasted about it. But that is, fortunately, in the past.

Today the world is different, and we can be thankful for the Internet. Now you can see you aren’t the only one thinking something. You immediately see it in the replies on news articles of the mainstream media. In fact, when newspapers like De Telegraaf do not allow readers to post their opinion, it is suspicious.

In the past, it was very difficult to find like-minded souls: the left wing controlled the media completely. Then came the Internet and with it something that nobody thought possible: instead of the conservatives painting themselves constantly in a corner, it’s the turn of the Left.

Which they are doing pretty well.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/03/fitna-left-paints-itself-into-corner.html

moxie_neanderthal on March 29, 2008 at 12:33 PM

I’ve downloaded Fitna via bittorrent and I’m now “seeding” it, for those of you who know what that means, and I’m seeing a lot of peers from muslim nations, such as Malaysia and Turkey. I hope curiosity doesn’t kill those cats. Fitna is being seeded by thousands so it’s a quick download and readily available and just about impossible to stop. Contrast this against “Hot Shemale Sluts – Hilda” which is only being “seeded” (sorry for the unintended visual) by 94 people.

manfriend on March 29, 2008 at 12:40 PM

right2bright on March 28, 2008 at 7:18 PM
I re-enlisted. I decided to do something about it!
What are you doing?
upinak on March 28, 2008 at 7:24 PM

right2bright
I have served, I have fought and was wounded….. I’ll call anyone I deem deserving gutless. Yes, I’m being uncaring, immoral or whatever you wish to call me, but I don’t particularly care at this juncture in history.

MNDavenotPC on March 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Well let me know if I can re-enlist at 61 years old…I doubt that they will let me, but thanks for the offer.
upinak, instead I run a couple of businesses and I am sure the Republican party appreciates my participation…and my service.
MNDave, no one said you can’t call someone gutless, just like I can call someone gutless who sits behind a keyboard and calls others gutless…when they have not walked in their shoes. So you think the sacrifice of your family is worth showing a video? Good for you, I think LiveLeak did what they needed, got it out, now time to retreat and fight another day. They won the battle, and they aren’t losing the war.
And BTW, you aren’t the only one who has served and lost something valuable, some have lost more then you…some just go about there business because they know that serving in the military is not the only (though honorable for some) way to serve your country. Kerry served and has three purple hearts, he also calls people cowards…
Thanks for your service, I honor that.

right2bright on March 29, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Geert is funny looking.

misterpeasea on March 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM

And for an example of a video Youtube’s crew thinks is acceptable to promote on their site:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV2uITx6QCs[/url]

9-11/al-Qaeda was all the Jews fault, again. Lovely. But say anything about Islam? Hide that video the same way they used to for Scientology before the uproar became too great.

Typhonsentra on March 29, 2008 at 1:19 PM

“Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.” (I can guess the response of the IFs to this fervent wish, and, most of the world has been accepting of the Muslim culture–until they started the Jihad against the infidels, in earnest.)
“We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.”
I’m sick that the Islamo-facists have this much power, but this is part of the reason they have it. If the Netherlands fold to this threat, we are not far behind.

Christine on March 29, 2008 at 2:26 PM

“How ironic that they have painted themselves into a corner by which they facilitate the propaganda interests of the very people that threaten them.” Indeed, but this is a goal of the G-hoddees: only their racist, sexist, murderous messages should be posted for all to see.

Christine on March 29, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Manfriend said it all.

Christine on March 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM

“We’d like to thank people from all backgrounds and all religions.”

Evasive liberal touch to that sentence.

aengus on March 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM

The criticism of LiveLeak isn’t just that they pulled the video as a result of threats, but that they’ve hosted and presumably still host terrorist propaganda.

When you publish their hate and stifle the response, for whatever reason, you’re working for THEM.

Delete the propaganda, and we’re good.

Then we just have to deal with the terrorist threats to everyone else, and the hateful radical “Islamist” culture behind it.

Most of the spittle-flecking in the responses to LiveLeak is more properly directed at the terrorists themselves, and at the half-measures taken against them by Western authorities. People are impatient by nature, especially when there’s a serious threat that isn’t (seen as) being dealt with.

Merovign on March 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM

LiveLeak is a cesspool. I encourage folks to read the comments under any news report on Iraq or Afghanistan or anything having to do with the US, for that matter.

The folks at LiveLeak are reaping what they’ve sewn.

On a bigger point, Europe apparently has neither the will or capacity to defend fundamental freedoms which have been the cornerstone of western civilization.

moxie_neanderthal on March 29, 2008 at 8:49 PM

LiveLeak is not to blame. They can’t be expected to be able to defend themselves against all the Islamist crazies.
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However, the government of the country that LiveLeak is in is to blame. This is effectively the death of free speech. The government should undertake to voice a strong threat to any person or group that threatens or commits violence against those that would air their opinions.
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However, I don’t hold out much hope for this. People, be prepared to see your freedom to criticize Islam die more and more each day.

FactsofLife on March 29, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Earlier today I was treated to a lovely diatribe by my very liberal brother how radical Islam is our fault. They hate us, you see, because American corporations keep them poor and enslaved. Given enough exposure to the American lifestyle, they won’t be radical anymore. So we should give them lots of money.

When I pointed out that bin Laden was a millionaire, Zawahiri an MD, etc. he said they were born wealthy so it didn’t count. He means the average joe, man on the Arab Street won’t be radical if we give enough money. Where this money is going to come from if not generated by good old fashioned capitalism, he doesn’t seem to know.

I’d be willing to be the libs at LiveLeak that don’t see a problem with jihadi videos that are still on their server right now agree with that POV. No matter what they do, it’s our fault, always, always our fault.

Laura on March 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM

LiveLeak should be applauded for hosting Fitna and getting it out. Once it was downloaded to a couple of thousand computers, it was unstoppable. But to get it onto those first few thousand, somebody had to be willing to accept the exposure. LiveLeak did so, when nobody else would.

For LiveLeak to be criticized for lack of guts is ludicrous.

I like to poke a thumb in the eye of the Islamabombers as much as the next guy, but getting this video out was the goal, and that goal was accomplished. It is time for them to remove their thumb and move on.

gridlock2 on March 30, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I’m not sure where people got the idea that privately owned sites are points of free speech. Live Leak can do whatever it wants. HotAir doesn’t let everything go. Nobody does, really.

Give LiveLeak credit for hosting it in the first place, even if just for a few hours.

Metro on March 30, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Super!

BallisticBob on March 30, 2008 at 11:33 AM

LiveLeak is not to blame.

I’m glad LiveLeak hosted the video (albeit for a very short period of time) but LiveLeak is not blameless. LiveLeak, YouTube and other western video hosting services have continued to host terrorist/pro jihadi/snuff films on their networks and have resisted calls for their removal.

In a small way, LiveLeak has helped foster an environment in which there is a supply and demand for the most vile videos. To be sure, a market exists outside the control of LiveLeak, but they have opted to participate.

How ironic that they have painted themselves into a corner by which they facilitate the propaganda interests of the very people that threaten them. LiveLeak and YouTube provide these propaganda services under the very cause of free speech but deny the same rights to those who wish to counter the Islamist’s illiberal message.

moxie_neanderthal on March 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Did Herr Wilders not prove his point. “off with his head.”

Johan Klaus on March 30, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Read the following jewel from Wikipedia and reflect a little bit on the world we live in:

Kurt Westergaard, the cartoonist of one of the Jyllands-Posten cartoons of Muhammed, has expressed concerns because his cartoon is used in the film without his permission, a violation of copyright.[92] The Danish Union of Journalists has said it will file a lawsuit on Westergaard’s behalf as he is still in hiding from the death threats against him.

freevillage on March 30, 2008 at 10:40 PM

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