Litigation Lotto’s aim: destroy the global economy
posted at 3:20 pm on March 28, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The American economy faces threats other than stupid lending decisions. The Dow Jones Market Watch reports on an increasing threat to American companies doing business overseas, and it mirrors a domestic threat about which tort-reform activists have warned for years. Vince Vitkowsky reports that trial lawyers around the world have begun exploiting lax evidentiary laws in other nations to extort American companies through massive lawsuits:
Prior to 1992, Texpet, a company that is now a Chevron subsidiary, was a partner with the state-owned oil agency of Ecuador, PetroEcuador. All of its activities were in compliance with existing Ecuadorian laws and regulations, but after the venture ended, a government-supervised audit called for environmental remediation. Texpet conducted a $40 million remediation and public works program, and the government of Ecuador released it from further claims saying it was “formally absolved, liberated and forever freed” from “any claim or litigation by the Government of Ecuador…”
But that final decision did not stop others from using various legal tactics to file more lawsuits. Trial lawyers and activist groups, led by NGO’s like Amazon Watch, swept in. In the U.S. courts, where standards of proof are respected, the plaintiffs were resoundingly unsuccessful. Initially, the same was true in Ecuador. The courts there utilized a preliminary evidentiary phase to look at the evidence. That panel’s initial findings were very favorable to Texpet.
Then, a new judge replaced a five member panel with a single investigator who was receptive to new government policies and the plaintiffs. The new Ecuadorian government offered full support in gathering “evidence.” The new government also turned a blind eye toward PetroEcuador, which continued operating the oilfield operations for the past 17 years despite evidence suggesting the home company was likely responsible for environmental problems in the region — more than 1,000 spills since 2002. The ultimate outcome remains to be seen, but this sequence suggests a disturbing retreat from the established rule of law and a new form of legal and economic nationalism.
The problem exists in the American court system as well. The 1789 Alien Tort Statute allows for private lawsuits against violators of international law to get compensation for actual damages due to piracy and other such crimes. Starting in the 1990s, the law began to be used to sue corporations for doing business in countries like apartheid-era South Africa under the notion that they abetted the human-rights abuses of the regime. The fifty corporations named in the $400 billion lawsuit have appealed to the Supreme Court for relief.
If it doesn’t come, it puts the entire global economy at risk. Just for one point, American companies do business in Saudi Arabia to bring energy to the US. In other cases, we engage economically in order to alleviate poverty and to spur modernization and moderation in otherwise closed societies. If corporations have to put billions of dollars at risk to do so, then we can forget about any kind of economic investments in places like Africa, where most of the regimes could be flagged for abuses. Even Nelson Mandela’s organization conducted “necklacing” as a tactic when it rebelled against apartheid, after all. And most people saluted engagement with Robert Mugabe until just the last few years.
Exactly where do these plaintiffs believe the money will originate? An award of $400 billion has to come from somewhere; as our fathers remind us when we’re teenagers, the money doesn’t grow on trees. Successful lawsuits along these lines will sap stockholders, ruin investments, and severely reduce capital needed for economic expansion. Retirees will have to return to work and flood a job market that would already be constricting.
It’s time to start treating these lawsuits and the plaintiffs that file them for what they are: economic parasites. If people object to economic engagement, then vote for a government that thinks Smoot-Hawley was a brilliant move, and that the isolation of China helped resolve human-rights abuses.
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That’s easy enough to answer. Where does it go? That’s the key to the whole scam.
MMW on March 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM
This angers me. Who do I sue?
- The Cat
MirCat on March 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM
If Microsoft, does NOT release a link to an image of “Windows Vista SP1 Integrated DVD”, or ship one to the people who purchased a Retail copy of Windows Vista, then that
could possibly be a lawsuit, since the “slipstream” process, has been made so difficult that even the more advanced users cannot perform the procedure.
Customers who paid in excess of $300 initially for the product had no idea that Microsoft would do this to the process that was so easy to do under Windows XP.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Hmm, this links to the European Union’s egregious fines levied on Microsoft for various ‘anti-trust’ canards.
Anti-trust in Europe being a great excuse for a little Intellectual Property rape and pillage in the name of ’social justice’.
Ares on March 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Econ 101…
Any economy, at its basis, takes good produced and moves it to the consumer (who consumes…).
The entire economy is based on this simple idea… but… the process whereby we make that function happen has become so convoluted, that the majority of the economy is no longer about the products, but about the process.
Any inhibition to the system, like our Tort system, does more damage to the overall economy than people imagine. Giving people money who do NOT produce anything, while taking it from those who do, leechs the Capital needed to function out of the system, creating more demand, without creating more prodct to satisfy that demand.
The National Chamber of Commerce estimates it costs EACH person $3,250 a year for all lawsuits… thats money that does NOT produce anything… is taken out of the system and goes to support people, who do not produce anything…
Add in the latest Credit Card system that essentialy takes 2-5% of everything we spend, and gives it to the banks in transaction fees…
And you got a lot of un needed stress on an already stressed system.
Romeo13 on March 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM
There are those who look at that as a feature, not a bug. Some (and I’m not talking about just AQ) want to wreck the US economy, because it is capitalist.
rbj on March 28, 2008 at 3:51 PM
MirCat on March 28, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Algore and Big Climate. They got plenty o’ money to share
VolMagic on March 28, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Microsoft, has made the “Windows Vista SP1 Integrated DVD” available, to “TechNet subscribers”(that costs lots of money)
Normal users that have purchased the retail product should have access to the Image as well so that they can burn to to DVD, or post a phone # so that a DVD can be shipped to them.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Are these NGO’s getting taxpayer funded subsidies from American’s? I bet yes.
Topsecretk9 on March 28, 2008 at 4:13 PM
I’m an environmentalist and this is what so frustrates me about environmentalism. If you want to impose environmental rules, you have to realize the cost to the rules and do everything your power to eliminate other costs like these insane lawsuits from the lawyer-parasites. The environmental movement just doesn’t get it. I ended up quiting the Sierra Club over its “Blue/Green” alliance with organized labor, though I’m thinking of rejoining as an impoverished person to go on a few hikes. I’m going to ask that they not send me their leftist propaganda magazine. I’m going to claim I don’t want it out of environmental concerns and not because it makes me sick to think I’m helping to pay for such garbage. These are the problems of a right-wing environmentalist.
thuja on March 28, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I suggest the way, the truth, and the light, Linux to everyone. (DesktopBSD is a cool alternative to Linux for the adventuresome.) Still, why do users of the WinTrash Vista need a DVD? Can’t they just use Window Updates? What am I missing?
thuja on March 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Because I dual boot with Cr@plinux, it screws up my windows partitions from time to time and I’m forced to re-install.. I would like, the option of installing FRESH straight away into SP1 like the “Technet Subscribers” are able to do, without having to Install Vista, track down all the prerequisites then install the Standalone SP1 Standalone installer(that takes 20-30minutes to install)
Why should I have to? WTH.. I paid over $300 for this product! The Retail Version, MS should give the user an updated DVD or at least the Image.. just D@MN..
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
–Henry VI (Part 2), Act 4, Scene 2
Pope Linus on March 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Have you ever installed a beta version of linux only to have it hose your whole system? uh-huh…
Then you have to re-install Windows.. then what.. install all the updates, install SP1 that takes FOREVER.. BS..
SEND ME THE INTEGRATED SP1 DVD!
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM
I will even pay for shipping & handling.. If they want it. sheesh.. >:D
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM
it would be cheaper for them to just make the Image available for download.. grrr.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM
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thuja, might I suggest the Nature Conservancy? They are a conservation group that rationally goes about protecting areas of environmental concern the old fashioned way – they buy the land, and then don’t develop it. I have contributed for a few years.
Think_b4_speaking on March 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Let’s try a social experiment.
Let’s convince Microsoft and Intel to stop manufacturing their products in, and selling their products to, Europe.
No announcements, no warnings, no threats. Complete secrecy. Just do it.
The price to return?
1) Standards of proof , similar to that in the US
2) The standards of proof are to be respected, in all courts, all cases and all times, in perpetuity.
3) Bureaucrats and lawyers who try to circumvent, subvert or ignore these standards will be fired/disbarred, and the involved parties possibly subject to civil and criminal penalties (same as anyone else).
I suspect that many activists will get the message.
Arbalest on March 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM
The tort system mythology that the insurance companies and others have been blathering about has even less basis in fact than the ideas espoused by Rev. Wright.
The jury system is a voting system and a justice system. By trying to limit the ability of the average person on juries to vote, you play right into the hands of big government types like Clinton and Obama. Most abuse of the legal system comes from companies using shareholder money to defend in-house management against the repercussions of their incompetency and bungling and sometimes outright criminality
Large companies use pay obscene rates to big corporate defense law firms and the money they use to pay these obscene fees comes from unwitting shareholders who have lost their rights years ago. It is very easy to spend someone elses money that is exactly what companies do to defend against their bad and careless practices. The managers get paid no matter what happens with the lawsuits, as do the defense lawyers. The only people that usually do not get paid are the plaintiffs and their attorneys who have to pay their own fees and expenses out of their own pockets to prosecute the perpetrators of these bad acts.
It is just amazing to me that conservatives who are usually the ones that actually want to use facts and truth to make good decisions, and are the ones who actually believe in the goodness and fairness of the American people, are so easily fooled by the multi-million dollars PR campaigns of the insurance companies.
As conservatives we are supposed to be the ones that acutally trust the people and it is average people that sit on juries.
Now you can sit by and trash the American people as being idiots not being able to tell right from wrong or to do justice, but I will not sit by and watch the money machines take away the rights of the American people and trash longstanding and just values of the United States of America.
georgealbert on March 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM
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If you are already dual booting with Vista, then your machine is probably quite new and you can probably put another hard drive in your machine for Vista alone. Hard drives are cheap these days.
By the way, I have a dual-boot Linux/Windows laptop. The laptop came with Windows and for some reason, I haven’t eliminated the Windows. I’ve played Linux Distro roulette with the Linux part of the machine and haven’t had any real problems with the Windows partition being messed up. I have had to play with the dual boot. Maybe, your Windows partition isn’t getting messed up.
thuja on March 28, 2008 at 5:21 PM
We reward bad actors and the global public into liking us by bribing them with the keys to the kingdom now.
We could produce our own oil but we buy foreign so Canada and Mexico will be our friends and we bribe Saudi oil interests to keep the dollar in play and we bribe China with unfair monetary and trade practices that drained our manufacturing industries to the tune of 300 billion annually.
Whats a few hundred more billion in bribes between friends?
Speakup on March 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Actualy you are incorrect as to who pays the cost.
The cost ends up with the CONSUMER, not with the shareholder. Companies either make money, or go out of business. If their cost is higher due to having to pay out legal fees, then they raise their price… its really that simple.
Romeo13 on March 28, 2008 at 6:06 PM
depends on what beta build you use, and IF that beta build decides to format the wrong drive(or partition).. on ya.. ;)
I have seen that happen before.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Customers who have purchased Retail copies of Vista, have paid enough money to be eligible for upgraded DVD IMHO.
I wouldn’t even be upset about this if they wouldn’t have messed with the slipstream process.
Now, you have to go though this whole convoluted process, of taking a installing to a second drive, installing SP1,taking a snapshot sheesh.. even then, it can’t be guaranteed that you have done it correctly..
Come on MS work with us.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Been watching Glenn Beck lately. If he and his guests are correct, we are in a world of hurt.
Our econ is simply a house of cards, and any one of several things can (will?) take us down.
davidk on March 28, 2008 at 6:42 PM
davidk on March 28, 2008 at 6:42 PM
There is no down side to being a pessimist on the economy.
If it tanks, you’re right. If it doesn’t no-one cares what you said cause they got the monies.
VolMagic on March 28, 2008 at 7:44 PM
I’ve never had Linux hose a partition, but I’ve had an ubuntu installer not implement the filesystem options I selected — that’s close enough to make me nervous. At one build point (Edgy?) it wouldn’t create a root partition unless you optioned out of the installer and did something special. I still prefer it to Windows, but I keep Windows around for games (and MS Access).
I understand the frustration about Vista. I hear it from colleagues all the time. Microsoft thinks its customers are (1) crooked, or (2) stupid.
DrSteve on March 28, 2008 at 8:02 PM
A) Managers and executives are major shareholders in their own companies. Options, RSUs, stock grants, etc. Not to mention that their pay is often largely made up of bonuses which are directly based on company performance. You still think they don’t care whether they win or lose a lawsuit?
B) Defense lawyers lose business by losing cases. For every lawsuit they lose, their next client shouldn’t be willing to pay them as much. Law firms compete with each other for business, so those with the best records can demand the highest prices.
C) The objection is not to penalizing companies for “bad and careless practices” (by which I assume you mean illegal practices). The objection is to awarding plaintiffs large sums of money based on a small amount of shoddy evidence or based on behavior that is only illegal because of convoluted legal “logic” or loopholes.
viking999 on March 28, 2008 at 9:02 PM
First of all, all they have to do is use the serial # for the order of a new DVD.. WTH.
OR the proof of purchase off the box, however..(then what happens when SP2 comes out?)
I agree They need some form of verification system, but those like me that have actually bought the software should get updated DVD’s.
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Effective tort reform in two words:
Loser Pays.
jgapinoy on March 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM
I try lots of different linux distros, and swap things around and try lots of different things.. sometimes I just like a fresh install of windows, and I don’t want to have to download tons of updates, then the 30 minute install of a service pack(is that a crime?)
Chakra Hammer on March 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM
A) Managers and executives are major shareholders in their own companies. Options, RSUs, stock grants, etc. Not to mention that their pay is often largely made up of bonuses which are directly based on company performance. You still think they don’t care whether they win or lose a lawsuit?
B) Defense lawyers lose business by losing cases. For every lawsuit they lose, their next client shouldn’t be willing to pay them as much. Law firms compete with each other for business, so those with the best records can demand the highest prices.
C) The objection is not to penalizing companies for “bad and careless practices” (by which I assume you mean illegal practices). The objection is to awarding plaintiffs large sums of money based on a small amount of shoddy evidence or based on behavior that is only illegal because of convoluted legal “logic” or loopholes.
viking999 on March 28, 2008 at 9:02 PM
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Clearly viking999 you neither work in business nor in the legal system. I do both and the idea that managers are major stockholders is foolishness. Statistically the number is not significant.
Secondly, clearly you know nothng about GC budgets and the litigation or settlement process. Managers and executives spend shareholder money like Congressional Democrats and because of the agency effect, they very rarely pay any penalty for pissing away money foolishly; certainly they continue to get paid every month and year while the litigation goes on for years while concurrently the plaintiffs counsels and the plaintiff are just shelling out their own money. You must work for an insurance company. Really, you have not idea what you are talking about. You’re brainwashed
georgealbert on March 28, 2008 at 9:58 PM
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