Yes, Briana, you are a terrorist

posted at 5:20 pm on March 27, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Salon asks what should be a rather simple question, but the answer apparently eludes them. Should someone who commits violent acts on civilian targets in order to promote their radical political views be called a terrorist? Apparently, the sobriquet only applies if one actually kills people, at least in Salon’s eyes. If you’re a quiet violin teacher who conspires to commit arson on behalf of the Earth Liberation Front for radical environmental causes, the government should give you a pass:

Earlier this month, on March 6, a federal jury in Tacoma, Wash., found Waters guilty of two counts of arson for serving as a lookout at the University of Washington fire. According to two women who testified against her in return for dramatically reduced sentences, Waters hid in a shrub near the Center for Urban Horticulture with a walkie-talkie, ready to alert the others if the campus police strolled by. Waters testified she wasn’t even in Seattle that night.

Although Waters was on trial for only the University of Washington arson, Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew Friedman charged that she was part of a conspiracy — a member of a “prolific cell” of the Earth Liberation Front, responsible for 17 fires set in four states over five years. Ten conspirators have pleaded guilty and been sentenced; four have fled the country; three are awaiting sentencing. Waters, the only one of the accused to have pleaded innocent and therefore the only one to have stood trial, now faces 20 years in prison. …

Prosecutors celebrated the guilty verdict against Waters as a signal victory in the campaign against “eco-terror,” a mission that the U.S. Department of Justice has made the centerpiece of its domestic counterterrorism program. “This cell of eco-terrorists thought they had a ‘right’ to sit in judgment and destroy the hard work of dedicated researchers at the UW and elsewhere,” U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Sullivan declared in announcing Waters’ conviction. “Today’s verdict shows that no one is above the law.”

Civil libertarians draw a different moral from the verdict. For them it is evidence of how the Justice Department has exaggerated the threat of eco-sabotage; they see Waters’ story as a disturbing example of the misuse of federal authority and the excessive reach of the American counterterrorism program in the wake of 9/11. As Lauren Regan, director of the Civil Liberties Defense Center in Eugene, Ore., remarks: “There’s a question of whether burning property is really the equivalent of flying a plane into a building and killing humans.”

The CLDC asks the wrong question and does so in the wrong context. Of course torching research facilities doesn’t equate to flying planes into buildings and killing 3,000 people. If the law did equate the two, Waters wouldn’t face 20 years in prison– she’d face the death penalty, and have 3,000 life sentences as her only alternative. Despite the vapidity of Regan’s response, the law has enough nuance to handle the different scales of terrorism.

But let’s not make any mistake here. What Waters and her co-conspirators did was terrorism, and should be investigated and prosecuted as such. The ELF and its “elves” want to force change in the nation by violence and force because they cannot get it through legitimate, democratic means. Not only to they want to destroy medical research facilities, homes, car dealerships, and Lord Glorious Hope knows what else, but they want to terrorize the people who would use such facilities into submission to their agendas.

It doesn’t matter what the cause might be. It might be abortion, tax reform, or stopping elderly abuse. When its advocates turn to violence to intimidate people into adopting their positions, then they have crossed the line from free speech to terrorism, and it strikes at the heart of democracy. The government of a free people have the duty to ensure that law-of-the-jungle tactics get stopped and carry huge consequences to the people who use them, in order to deter others from adopting them.

Salon’s Tracy Tullis calls it “alarming” that the federal government used “post-9/11 counterterrorism laws to pursue and prosecute an environmental activist”. Briana Waters stopped being an activist when she traded in picket lines for arson conspiracies, and became precisely the kind of criminal for which these laws were written. If she didn’t want to do 20 years in prison, she should have stuck with the picket signs.


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Waterboard the bitch and get the goods on the rest of those ELF bastards.

Iblis on March 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

So let me get this straight…if I do not like this writers lifestyle, and political agenda, then I can burn his house down and he/she won’t care? I can go to Salon’s headquarters under protest and bomb them, after hours of course, and they will fight for my freedom?
OOOOOKaaaay!

right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 5:27 PM

I’ll take a big leap and guess SLATE was/is not PRO – Eric Rudolph – Abortion clinic bombings right?

Topsecretk9 on March 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Throw away the key.

JayHaw Phrenzie on March 27, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Not only to they want to destroy medical research facilities, homes, car dealerships

Idiots cause more enviro-damage then they prevent.

and Glorious Hope knows what else

Hahaha

but they want to terrorize the people who would use such facilities into submission to their agendas.

Yet another in the long list of items they have in commen with islamic terrorists.

Tony737 on March 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM

So let me get this straight…if I do not like this writers lifestyle, and political agenda, then I can burn his house down and he/she won’t care? I can go to Salon’s headquarters under protest and bomb them, after hours of course, and they will fight for my freedom?
OOOOOKaaaay!

right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Sounds good to me..

Oh, and those firemen who risk their lives to fight this fire – they’re just expendable, I suppose.

Isn’t Bill Ayres a friend of Barry’s? Maybe he could form a blue ribbon committee!

TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Same word for her as for Soliah: CONSEQUENCES.

sheesh on March 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I can go to Salon’s headquarters under protest and bomb them, after hours of course, and they will fight for my freedom? OOOOOKaaaay! – right2bright

Hehehe, R2R, you rock!

Tony737 on March 27, 2008 at 5:33 PM

US-1, her-0. We need more judgements like this.
L

letget on March 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Award her a brand new home with an SUV in the garage..then set them on fire.

GoodBoy on March 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Excellent post, Ed! I have been waiting for these “activists” to be nailed! The SCOTUS has held time and again that the First Amendment is abandoned when a person advocates or attempts violence. You can just about say anything that you want, but if you begin to burn down buildings or torch other forms of property, you are no longer shielded by freedom of speech.

Troy Rasmussen on March 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Arson is one of the underlying crimes for felony murder in the Common Law. Nobody with any sense could downplay the seriousness of arson, but of course that rules out the mainstream media.

Beagle on March 27, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I think the key argument is the difference between a crime organization and a terrorist organization.

ITs the same argument we get over the WOT. When do we stop treating people who use violene as less of a crime and more of an act of terror ?

The dimension seems to the the political angle. Its an attack on civilization and innocent people to force dramatic change.

William Amos on March 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Waterboard the bitch and get the goods on the rest of those ELF bastards.

Iblis on March 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Crossing my fingers….ROFL

Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Eco-Jihadist. I bet she wishes she would’ve just planted the damn tree instead.

Dork B. on March 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

The danger to firefighters and passersby never enters the minds of the left on this issue.

doufree on March 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Alas. Terrorism by any other name would smell as bad and splitting hairs is what the Left does best.

Christine on March 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

“There’s a question of whether burning property is really the equivalent of flying a plane into a building and killing humans.”

I’ll bet that does not apply to black churches.

rw on March 27, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Salon would sing a different tune if the targets were mosques or Planned Parenthood centers instead of U of W research facilities.

Vote Sauron 08 on March 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM

“Burn, Baby, Burn” is ok as long as it is only a slogan. As soon as it is put into action, it is terrorism, pure and simple. The potential for injury or death exists in fires, for those inside the buildings and firefighters alike.

Destruction of another’s property, no matter what the perpetrator’s delusions dictate, is a crime.

Guilty, guilty, guilt. Lock her up. Too bad for her cute little baby. Briana should have thought of the potential consequences 7 years ago. Throw away the key.

Sloan Morganstern on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

The danger to firefighters and passersby never enters the minds of the left on this issue.

doufree on March 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Not to mention the occupants of the building. I’ve spent my career in research, and nobody should assume that people wouldn’t be working in the lab at 3am.

Big S on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

“The group’s alleged ringleader, William Rodgers, avoided a trial in his own way. From his jail cell in Flagstaff, Ariz., two weeks after his arrest in December 2005, he wrote, “I chose to fight on the side of the bears, mountain lions, skunks, bats, saguaros, cliff roses and all things wild. But tonight … I am returning home, to the Earth, the place of my origins.” He placed a plastic bag over his head and suffocated himself. According to medical records, Rodgers was found with his right arm raised, his hand held tight in a fist — the Earth First! symbol of resistance.”

Yes! Die for the skunks! We must stop all medical research for malaria, cancer and diabetes and just.. die for the skunks and nematodes!
Why waste good water via waterboarding on these psychotics?
Just put 20 rabid skunks in their cells – I’m sure the skunks will show their gratitude!

TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

I knew there was an Animal Liberation Front, and an Earth First, but now there’s an EARTH Liberation Front?

These wackos are splintering faster than Al Qaeda.

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

The left is all for “progress”, they call themselves progressive braggingly, say that science changes in response to “climate change”, the will of the people.

Well, the laws have progressed to be able to throw the book at this little facist POS.

benrand on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

If she didn’t want to do 20 years in prison, she should have stuck with the picket signs.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

‘Nuff said!

SilverStar830 on March 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM

During a long and heated argument with my liberal bro I complained that the younger generation is more virulently anti-American than our generation was. I said: “They HATE this country!” His response was: “Are they to blame for that?”
There you have the ‘give the ‘victim’ a pass’ routine…and I’m going home to visit my liberal family in June. Anyone have any tips for survival? I’ll wanna be sedated, that goes without saying…

Christine on March 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM

During a long and heated argument with my liberal bro I complained that the younger generation is more virulently anti-American than our generation was. I said: “They HATE this country!” His response was: “Are they to blame for that?”

Yes. Let them try that crap anywhere else in the world and see how that works for them.

Les in NC on March 27, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Defending the environment from radical nutcases like ELF.
Score one for the good guys.

Kini on March 27, 2008 at 5:54 PM

She went to Evergreen State. What is up with that place? Does everyone who goes there major in AssHat?

Vote Sauron 08 on March 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM

and Lord Glorious Hope knows what else

I am laughing out loud here, have mercy.

But I agree with you otherwise.

Bob's Kid on March 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM

I’m sure the fact that she’s great-looking has nothing to do with their reluctance to call her a terrorist. /sarc

Lookist lefties!!!

smellthecoffee on March 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM

So, September 11th is now the baseline for comparison of terrorist acts? Wow, when you have such warped or actually no morals it does make it hard for moral equivalence doesn’t it?
DKK

LifeTrek on March 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Next they will argue that terrorism is not a crime but an act of war and she is protected by the Geneva Conventions.

meci on March 27, 2008 at 6:08 PM

I take it none of them burned their own houses down.

Speakup on March 27, 2008 at 6:09 PM

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

ELF has been around for a while. Long enough to get a fawning profile in TIME or Newsweek or whatever magazine my optometrist keeps in his office, about three years ago.

That said, I would rather join the Society Against Neutered Terrorists’ Activities. :P

emailnuevo on March 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Well said. Tullis’s article made worthy points about plea deals in exchange for naming names and testimony. It’s an argument that applies to law enforcement in general. I knew an AUSA who said lookouts typically get screwed because all the lawyer wants is a conviction is the lookout is so low on the ladder, they have nothing to offer.

But to say, as Tullis writes, “She could spend as much as two decades behind bars for allegedly holding a walkie-talkie” absurdly trivializes what she was involved in — at the very least she was aiding a terrorist act. Tullis also tries to blame the prosecution on post-9/11 hysteria and those arguments were logically bankrupt. She wrote:

Historically, the crime of terrorism has required civilian deaths. In fact, the State Department defined terrorism as “premeditated politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatants.”

The definition she cites doesn’t even support her claim. Since when does violence=death? Is she arguing that arson is not a violent crime? Not only do the fires destroy property and hard work, but they also endanger the lives of the fire-fighters who have to respond to them. Then she criticizes them for applying a 1995 rule change aimed to curb domestic terrorism. And she compares the sentence to other arsons. What makes this different is it was politically motivated… hence a terrorist act. (Duh!) But the real irony was in this:

It has a chilling effect on free speech,” says Guild director Boghosian, “and that’s where the real damage to the Constitution is happening.”

Really? But burning down the lab facilities of those with whom you disagree doesn’t have a chilling effect? My guess is this article is an example of excusing the violent acts of people you agree with. In fact, I just did a quick search and found a handful of articles on Salon about “right-wing terrorists” who bombed abortion clinics.

Spolitics on March 27, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Hey Brianna,

No more playing with walkie-talkies and pretending you’re doing something important to impress all your lefty pals. Now baby gets to see Mommy through plate glass on visiting day.

Playtime’s over. Welcome to real life.

Cicero43 on March 27, 2008 at 6:17 PM

This ties-in well with vandalizing of military recruiting offices, which is probably part of the hidden agenda of those who support such criminality.

I believe that perhaps the CLDC offices should be burned to the ground considering how much their lightbulbs, A/C and various electronic items add to the global wormening crisis.

Bishop on March 27, 2008 at 6:18 PM

I am firmly committed to civil liberties and what she did is in no way at all connected to civil liberties. Arson puts the firefighters’ et al. lives at risk, destroys someone’s property — which is basically stealing from their bank account, and is anti-democratic. There is a political process for deciding how we should use various parcels of land. The alternative to the rule of law is the rule of gun. And I do not want to have to bring my guns out.

rbj on March 27, 2008 at 6:18 PM

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

I think there’s some sort of eco-freak-inbreeding going on.

Also, that “Tre Arrow” ELF guy goes before the judge soon. He spent most of the last decade hiding, mostly in Canada. His defense lawyer has been arguing that he’s not a flight risk. [insert eye-roll of incredulity here]

innominatus on March 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM

BTW, whoever said that Brianna was “great looking” needs to have their eyes examined, either that or the definition of great looking has drastically changed.

Bishop on March 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Bishop on March 27, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Didn’t you hear? The Feds changed the definition of “great looking” in response to 9/11. It’s all a part of the conspiracy.

Spolitics on March 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Spolitics on March 27, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Very well put. Free speach is exactly that, the right to vocalize your complaints. That ends when you act against the rights of others.

Les in NC on March 27, 2008 at 6:24 PM

You had me at “Salon.”

Jim Treacher on March 27, 2008 at 6:28 PM

But she’s white! And her baby is cute!

HitNRun on March 27, 2008 at 6:32 PM

“What Waters and her co-conspirators did was terrorism, and should be investigated and prosecuted as such.”

…… and what of the college professors who filled her brain with this tripe, no doubt leaving out the consequences of their actions?

Esperanza Gloriosa, indeed!

Seven Percent Solution on March 27, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Salon’s Tracy Tullis calls it “alarming” that the federal government used “post-9/11 counterterrorism laws to pursue and prosecute an environmental activist”.

You mean, like the civil rights activist, Mumia?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on March 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Gitmo and waterboard the elf.

Texyank on March 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM

I knew there was an Animal Liberation Front, and an Earth First, but now there’s an EARTH Liberation Front?

MadisonConservative on March 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM

The F.B.I. says -

In 1993, the ELF was listed for the first time along with the ALF in a communique declaring solidarity in actions between the two groups. This unity continues today with a crossover of leadership and membership. It is not uncommon for the ALF and the ELF to post joint declarations of responsibility for criminal actions on their web-sites.

Buy Danish on March 27, 2008 at 6:37 PM

I never would have pegged a violinist as someone involved in this sort of thing. They’re too narcissistic to worry about animals and thing.

A viola player I could understand. Tell a violist he’ll get a solo at the next concert and he’ll do anything you want him to. But a violinist…?

Huh.

JohnTant on March 27, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Waterboard the bitch and get the goods on the rest of those ELF bastards.

Iblis on March 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

If that dosnt work threaten her with a bar of soap hippy tree hugging elfs hate soap

Mojack420 on March 27, 2008 at 6:44 PM

right on!
she’s getting what she deserves.
I like the photo on the cover page — hiding amongst her innocent family.
no shame.

jimmer on March 27, 2008 at 6:51 PM

I was never a big fan of Witch-Burning, but this lovely lady seems to think that fire is an appropriate judgement for the guilty…

So if you have a stake and some wood, I can bring the rope and the matches.

What’s good for the goose…

Gartrip on March 27, 2008 at 6:53 PM

Shove a sock in her mouth and start pouring the water! Sounds like she’s about to be someone’s Elf!!!

colep on March 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM

…… and what of the college professors who filled her brain with this tripe, no doubt leaving out the consequences of their actions?

Evergreen, baby. What else can you expect?

I’ve a nephew who attends there, ostensibly a republican. Makes not a lick o’ sense to me.

Bob's Kid on March 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM

environmental activist

Not only has “great looking” been redefined but apparently so has the term “activist”.

Bishop on March 27, 2008 at 7:05 PM

She’s an ugly terrorist. Literally.

SouthernGent on March 27, 2008 at 7:12 PM

I hope she gets elfed in prison!

Lonetown on March 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM

The danger to firefighters and passersby never enters the minds of the left on this issue.

doufree on March 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM

They also ignore the fact that the rest of us end up paying for these jerks’ political “statements” when the insurance companies that insure the burned-down properties jack up their other customers’ rates to make up for the losses.

I hope she gets the maximum sentence.

AZCoyote on March 27, 2008 at 7:36 PM

Ed has succinctly put a fine point on the matter. Arson is both a tool of destruction and intimidation but also provides the added wild card of potentially injuring or killing those whose job it is to fight the fire.

moxie_neanderthal on March 27, 2008 at 7:41 PM

So, if we systematically burn down each of Salon’s editors homes and cars in order to force them to change their editorial policies, that is not terrorism unless one of them get’s killed? Hahahaha.

I am sure Mrs. Waters attys aren’t so stupid as to use this argument at her sentencing hearing. It pisses me off that she didn’t plead out and perjured herself. She and her supporters have defamed those who did express remorse, pled guilty and testified. Now, they are in fear of their lives. Quite a sweetheart she is.

Blake on March 27, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Waterboard the bitch and get the goods on the rest of those ELF bastards.

Iblis on March 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

/agree

Midas on March 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Waterboard the bitch and get the goods on the rest of those ELF bastards.

Iblis on March 27, 2008 at 5:26 PM

I agree.

Midas on March 27, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Yes,, and we may as well all view nice pictures of Hitler sitting with his whore and German Shepard.

JellyToast on March 27, 2008 at 8:02 PM

I wonder if the writer of the article, being a good little liberal, agrees with most of the ELF’s stances but is just…..NUANCED in their use of tactics.

Defector01 on March 27, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Should someone who commits violent acts on civilian targets in order to promote their radical political views be called a terrorist?

The views shouldn’t matter, but the act. I’m for lowering taxes and securing the border, but attacking civilians in those causes would also be terrorism.

Tzetzes on March 27, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Clearly the writer agrees with ELF from beginning to end, and is a generic leftist America-hater. See the comments from the attorney (who was “outraged”) about a typical “American prosecution”. Her doofus leftism is on display throughout, but mostly she doesn’t think domestic terrorists aka “environmental activists” should be prosecuted by the government.

I profoundly disagree.

Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM

She’s a terrorist, plain an simple. Her 20 year sentence is a joke. Someone mentioned that she and her cohorts put fire fighters lives at risk needlessly, and that was an excellent point. So was the point of destorying property that is not yours to destory is in fact stealing, if not from the individual then the insurance company (who steal all the time but that’s another subject).

Home grown terrorists deserve more harsh punishments than 20 years regardless of their level of activity in the terrorist act. American terrorism fly’s directly in direct contradiction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

And the punishment should refelct that.

Hog Wild on March 27, 2008 at 9:20 PM

I say we set their homes on fire. And make them watch.
And they are now no longer allowed to eat anything that came from a farm.

Capitana on March 27, 2008 at 10:27 PM

In a previous CQ thread, I remember bringing up the Irgun/Stern gang as an example of terrorist groups, and I was told I was wrong, because, for example, when they blew up the King David hotel, they called and gave a warning first. Therefore, it wasn’t terrorism (even though those groups were also responsible for much more clear cut examples of terrorism as well). I don’t get it, though. The ELF burns down buildings when they are empty, but yet they are terrorist. Can someone explain the distinction to the terrorist newbie?

Speaking of terrorists, remember those scary Muslims (1) who were arrested for carrying explosives within a few miles from where terrorist detainees were being held at a military base? Those were the explosives that made “a loud bang, similar to a firecracker, when it was demolished.” (2) The explosives that a Grand Jury decided “weren’t fireworks after all?” (3)
Well, the FBI has recently decided that the “Egyptian students charged with carrying ‘bombs’ near Navy base actually had fireworks.” (4)

Oh well. Your lives are now over anyway. Sorry.

1) captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011014.php
2) cnn.com/2007/US/08/05/highway.closed.ap/index.html
3) captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/012332.php
4) nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/01/military/15_49_251_31_08.txt

dave742 on March 28, 2008 at 12:14 AM

It

doesn’t matter what the cause might be. It might be

abortion, tax reform, or stopping elderly abuse.

Was the references to conservative causes, just being PC?

Johan Klaus on March 28, 2008 at 1:21 AM

If I burn down Gore’s house, when no one is at home, to protest his rather large carbon footprint. will I be an eco-terrorist?

Johan Klaus on March 28, 2008 at 1:24 AM

She went to Evergreen State. What is up with that place? Does everyone who goes there major in AssHat?

Vote Sauron 08 on March 27, 2008 at 5:59 PM

The majors seem to be:

Arson
Demolitions
Tree Spiking
Composition (concentration in Threatening Letters)
Public Speaking (concentration in Patronizing Lecturing)
and Textile Manufacture (concentration in Hemp Weaving)

Asshat would appear to be a meer pre-requisite for admission.

SuperCool on March 28, 2008 at 3:07 AM

Blake on March 27, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Well said, Blake. It’s easy for the author of the piece to support terrorism against other people’s homes for a cause they agree with. Their reasoning is utterly laughable.

“It’s not like she flew a plane into a building or anything!” So, anything short of 3,000 deaths is excusable terrorism? I’ll have to remember that the next time this publication reports on some idiot spraypainting a swastika or hanging a noose somewhere.

joewm315 on March 28, 2008 at 4:47 AM

Add to the sentence. She should be required to give violin lessons to all of her tone deaf dyslexic prisonmates.

srhoades on March 28, 2008 at 8:38 AM

I am consumed with elf-loathing.

James on March 28, 2008 at 9:19 AM

She gives Santa’s helpers a bad name! I hope she gets a cell with a reeeeaal frindly cellmate.

brtex on March 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM

joewm315 on March 28, 2008 at 4:47 AM

Would Salon editors and their readers not consider those who burn down black churchs in the south terrorists? So, how is this any different?

Blake on March 28, 2008 at 9:45 AM

Speaking of terrorists, remember those scary Muslims (1) who were arrested for carrying explosives within a few miles from where terrorist detainees were being held at a military base? Those were the explosives that made “a loud bang, similar to a firecracker, when it was demolished.” (2) The explosives that a Grand Jury decided “weren’t fireworks after all?” (3)
Well, the FBI has recently decided that the “Egyptian students charged with carrying ‘bombs’ near Navy base actually had fireworks.” (4)

Oh well. Your lives are now over anyway. Sorry.

1) captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/011014.php
2) cnn.com/2007/US/08/05/highway.closed.ap/index.html
3) captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/012332.php
4) nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/01/military/15_49_251_31_08.txt

dave742 on March 28, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Hey Dave,

Take a look at what fireworks, the kind you can get just about anywhere in the world can do…by the way, this is the damage done by a single one inch display mortar.

Naybe you wouldn’t mind have one of these blow up in your face, but any right minded person would.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h9qmBfhaku0&feature=related

PatriotPete on March 28, 2008 at 10:09 AM

People of this ilk killed a researcher at the University of Wisconsin some while ago. Since then some universities have required entrance passes to got into some buildings. The following is not current information. One of the places that required entrance passes was the University of California Berkeley biology building.

burt on March 28, 2008 at 10:27 AM

PatriotPete:
I guess Muslims with fireworks are terrorists as well.

dave742 on March 28, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Anyone have any tips for survival? I’ll wanna be sedated, that goes without saying…

Christine on March 27, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I recommend two Bombay Sapphire martinis before dinner, a couple of glasses of wine during dinner, and then followed up with another martini after desert. Once sufficiently drunk tell them what you really think of their liberal moonbat views. This of course will result in you not being invited to family functions ever again…problem solved…that will be $5 please! ;-)

Liberty or Death on March 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM