Video: “Fitna” now online; Update: Torrent link added; Update: LiveLeak issues statement; Update: Muslim leader shrugs

posted at 2:27 pm on March 27, 2008 by Allahpundit

He posted it on his party’s website, but that appears to be down already. This just turned up on LiveLeak; I’m guessing it’s the real deal. Standby.

Update: LiveLeak must be getting hit hard because I can’t get it to load here. If you see copies elsewhere, e-mail the link.

Update: The English version won’t load. Here’s the Dutch.

Update: I’m attempting to download it from LiveLeak. We’ll see what Michelle wants to do. I’m about halfway through watching it and what’s interesting is how familiar so many of the people featured will be to blog readers.

Update: A tipster tells me this is the torrent. I’m not vouching for it. I haven’t downloaded it. Proceed at your own risk.

Update: All right, the torrent worked like a charm. When I first started downloading, there were something like eight people sharing. By the time I was done, it was 61. The movie will be all over the world in hours. Internet fee-vah!

Update: Click the thumbnail to see what the front page of LiveLeak looks like right now. They’re obviously willing to go to the mat to keep this online. Hats off.

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Update: LiveLeak speaks:

LiveLeak.com has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech as so far as the law and our rules allow. There was no legal reason to refuse Geert Wilders the right to post his film (Fitna) on LiveLeak.com and it is not our place to censor people based on an emotive response. We in no way endorse Geert Wilders, his views, nor the views expressed within Fitna. To many of us involved in LiveLeak.com some of the messages therein are personally offensive. That being said, our being offended is no reason to deny Mr Wilders the right to have his film seen. Pre-emptive censorship or a discriminatory policy towards freedom of speech are both things we oppose here on LiveLeak.com. A person has a simple, clear choice about whether to view this film. No one is being forced to view it and nor is it being broadcasted on every channel on their television set. If you click on media simply to be annoyed, it is pointless to blame others for your choice.

We do not intend on defending the content of Fitna, only our choice to allow it. Anyone has the full right of reply on LiveLeak.com. Any person or organizations are free to post their opinion and, dependent on said response falling within both the law and our rules, we will afford such responses equal exposure. There are undoubtedly better ways to spark a discussion but this film is now out there and we believe we should all grasp this opportunity to create an open dialogue and discussion on this subject.

Update: At least one Dutch Muslim leader is underwhelmed.

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Probably Muslims getting psyched for tomorrow’s Islamotantrum.

RedWinged Blackbird on March 27, 2008 at 5:51 PM

It’s also available on YouTube. 210 there views so far.

amerpundit on March 27, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Now we’ll see what the reaction is.

AbaddonsReign on March 27, 2008 at 5:52 PM

But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM

But my journey is part of a larger journey – one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
A Politics of Conscience
Hartford, CT | June 23, 2007

Red Pill on March 27, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Chakra Hammer on March 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Bleach… Awesome!

Theworldisnotenough on March 27, 2008 at 5:54 PM

islam ruled the world um when did it rule anything but a little slice of he world that is nothing but the worlds cat box ?
FU CAIR and to hell with Islam and your second rate stone idol master Allah .

Mojack420 on March 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Will any of the three active Presidential Candidates discuss this video? What do you think they would say?

Red Pill on March 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Connie, thanks for posting the links to the film “What the West Needs to Know”

More:

And here is the very same Pat Condell video mentioned on that CNN clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y…h? v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

The first video causing the awakening of the WEST . . .

Submission by Theo Van Gough (killed by islamists 11/4/04) and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as depicted in film FITNA

Obession

MEMRI

GEERT WILDERS HAS POSTED A REQUEST FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE WITH FITNA’S DISTRIBUTION

Glenn Beck of CNN may provide air time for FITNA.

In case this video is pulled, here are additional sources:

(via IBA):

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

or download here: http://cdn.liveleak.com/16/media16/2008/Mar/27/LiveLeak-dot-com-197196-9896.flv

Torrent: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1275560

RapidShare (English): http://rs34.rapidshare.com/files/102852229/LiveLeak-dot-com-197196-9896.flv

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410&hl=en

Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/102873205/Fitna-English.flv

http://www.viddler.com/bran8464/videos/9/

heroyalwhyness on March 27, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Will any of the three active Presidential Candidates discuss this video? What do you think they would say?

Red Pill on March 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM

My guess. We need to reach out to them to determine why they hate us. Probably GW’s fault. Trouble is, they hate everyone. Don’t worry, hope and change will fix it.

Les in NC on March 27, 2008 at 6:01 PM

wow tha twas intense

spacekicker on March 27, 2008 at 6:03 PM

AP – Wilders defends Fitna here…

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5705717/Wilders-defends-Fitna

Cheers.

Maximum Moose on March 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM

I just watched the English version via the gatesofvienna blogsite. It was good, but in my opinion not nearly as compelling or damning as “What the West Needs to Know About Islam”, which is entirely on youtube.

Sean68 on March 27, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Although I find the subject matter provacative, I can’t imagine why Network Solutions wouldn’t broadcast this. It is not offensive, filled with lies, or obscenities, or even violence. It is, quite simply, a redacted view of what Shari’a type law Islam has forced as a reality on the world. No actual beheadings or gutteral cries from throats filled with blood, no actual stonings of women suspected of adultery, no actual hangings of gays.

Saw I, II and III are much more graphic.

The terror foisted by this false perversion of a religion is much greater than anything this film could attain. I am frankly ashamed that this would be censored in any form by a company claiming to be American.

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Preaching to the choir…
That was exhausting, we all feel the same way, the problem is…the liberals will never see it the way we see it. For some reason, they never quite see Bergs head separated from his body. They never see the woman stoned, the daughter killed…they just don’t see it, I mean really don’t see it.

right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Preaching to the choir…
That was exhausting, we all feel the same way, the problem is…the liberals will never see it the way we see it. For some reason, they never quite see Bergs head separated from his body. They never see the woman stoned, the daughter killed…they just don’t see it, I mean really don’t see it.

right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM

If they keep ignoring it, they might see it first hand.

Les in NC on March 27, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Preaching to the choir…

right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Not altogether true. This film will introduce plenty of people to the lessons that are taught here every day. Don’t doubt its influence. Exhibit A:

Wow. I never watched any of the Robert Spencer videos. I wanted to believe that there was such a thing as a “moderate Muslim”. This movie exposed the truth. All of this hate…comes straight from the Koran. I really don’t see how it is offensive; all it did was expose what the Koran states, what prominent Muslims believe, and the crimes committed in the name of Islam. Congratulations to Geert Wilders, I think this movie may spark a shift in the way Europe reacts to it’s invasion by Islamofacists.

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 5:08 PM

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 6:24 PM

…they just don’t see it, I mean really don’t see it.

Of course they see it. They just can’t acknowledge it because to do so would be to admit that we right-winged neocon fascist gun-totin’ rednecks were right all along, so they’ll continue to deny it until they lose their heads and/or become irrelevant.

RedWinged Blackbird on March 27, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Not sure what to make of this. I could have done without the decapitation. I was kind of hoping to get through life without having see one of those, even if the camera did fade out in the middle.

There is nothing new here. And that is a problem. For all the terror, the actual instances of terrorist attacks are relatively infrequent (if we compare to say, IRA bombing campaigns in the past). Also there haven’t been any major incidents recently. Which is the way people generally want it. So the danger here is that Wilders will, with some justification, be accused of raking over the coals to try and stir things up.

The principle danger to the West is not sporadic acts of violence, but the inexorable demographic transformation that will take place. It isn’t at all clear how Wilders suggests we stop it. But at the same time it is crystal clear that there is no western government that has either the will or the first idea how to stop it either. And frankly that counts for their electorates, as well. To the power of ten.

schiehallion on March 27, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Bleach… Awesome!

Theworldisnotenough on March 27, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I like Naruto and Bleach(Naruto a little better)

Did you read the latest Bleach manga?

Karakura Town, and Aizen.. sheesh… >:{

Chakra Hammer on March 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Aizen Booo!!! >:|

Chakra Hammer on March 27, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Why is this a big deal? anyone with a 5rd grade education already knows this stuff. Islam has been at war with the rest of the world since Mo Mo rode out of the desert 1400 years ago. I saw nothing in the film that was the least bit controversal. This is just simple fact. Have people been so stupidified that this film is news to them?

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Hey, LiveLeak, you said you support freedom of speech. Just so you know, for that insult you’ll be on the mooj hit list too.

Welcome to the party, pal.

macummings on March 27, 2008 at 6:40 PM

schiehallion on March 27, 2008 at 6:31 PM

you want to stop it? easy enforce the laws on the books in the west. Most of the laws of the west are in direct opposition of Islam. by enforcing the law you basically can not have Islam practiced in the West. honor Killings, women abuse, multiple marriages, no interest loans, Shria courts, all are illegal. Loudspeakers blaring muslim payer again illegal for noise levels in most western countries. therefore you use the law that has been formed over 500 years of western civilization and enforce the law. the same stops illegal immigration.

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Amazing. I just drove through Bridgeview Ill (95th and Harlem… don’t get down to the southside much anymore, except for work… but thats alot farther east than there). Holy s–t. That’s where the islamic terror front groups are located. EVERYTHING is in arabic.

LtE126 on March 27, 2008 at 6:42 PM

I saw nothing in the film that was the least bit controversal. This is just simple fact. Have people been so stupidified that this film is news to them?

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Uhh, yes. What was it that Marx said? Something about if he had the education system for 4 years he would plant seeds that could never be uprooted? Yeah, that’s what’s happened in the US under the NEA. We should FORCE citizens to watch complete beheadings until it penetrates their thick skulls. This isn’t the Pussycat Dolls, Dora the ExplorER or American Idol. This is our reality, and our children will learn it to a much greater degree than we’ve had to thus far unless we wake up and do something.

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 6:43 PM

I was kind of hoping to get through life without having see one of those, even if the camera did fade out in the middle.

Pull your head from your ass and wake up to reality. It’s no longer about the personal comfort of soft-bodied Americans. REALIZE what’s at stake. UNDERSTAND that this threat is even greater than that of Nazi Germany.

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 6:45 PM

With all the anger, and refusing to show, and investigations, I thought it would have been longer.

- The Cat

MirCat on March 27, 2008 at 6:46 PM

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Thanks, unseen. But at the point when the muslim population reaches 50% plus 1, these laws will disappear faster than you can say Allahu Akhbar.

schiehallion on March 27, 2008 at 6:46 PM

The movie isn’t news to anybody here. But those who won’t see and won’t listen, still won’t. But Fitna is an excellent dhimmy-meter. The difficulties Wilders has had in showing this film tell us much, and it isn’t good.

dhimwit on March 27, 2008 at 6:49 PM

I just watched it. The LiveLeak English version works fine now.

It’s 15 minutes. It tells what we’ve always known all along. It’s not completely telling, not even close. It should serve well to anger the Muslims, though, then I’m sure they’ll ONCE AGAIN show that what is being said/shown about them and their so-called ” Religion of Peace™ ” is all 100% TRUE, while they maim, murder, and destroy in an effort to demonstrate that it isn’t.

SilverStar830 on March 27, 2008 at 6:49 PM

right2bright is right. The liberals don’t see it and I don’t understand that. They have always talked about how scary the religious right is here in this country, yet they see nothing wrong with the radical Islam that we fight???

Say what you will about Bush, but he understands it.

Rightwingsparkle on March 27, 2008 at 6:51 PM

It’s sort of like that ABC movie about how Albright/Burglar/Clinton/etc missed opportunities to kill Osama. The movie is accurate, what’s the outcry for?

SouthernGent on March 27, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Thanks Rushbaby.

Christine on March 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Effective video. No surprises for those of us paying attention.

Reliable source (attributed at the end of the information below) shows statistically how Islamization of the West and the the evenetual global caliphate is taking place under our noses. Unchecked immigration, political correctness, and allowance of sharia law in unassimilated Nuslim communities is destroying Western culture from within. No bullets, bombs, or knives need to be employed.

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called “religious rights.”

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to “the reasonable” Muslim demands for their “religious rights,” they also get the other components under the table.

Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, “The Haj”

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

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onlineanalyst on March 27, 2008 at 6:52 PM

Yeah preaching to the choir, but the more the controversy the better the chance that others will want to see it.

- The Cat

P.S. I hope Glenn Beck can show it without CNN shutting him down.

MirCat on March 27, 2008 at 6:53 PM

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Right I’ll just ignore the “pulling-head-out-of-ass” schtick for the time being. I’m well aware of the brutality of Muslim terrorists. I just don’t need to see their handiwork on display. And I also think it is disrespectful to the victim (Ken Bigley, I think) to broadcast this and likely to be profoundly disturbing to his relatives. I am well aware of the scale of the threat the west faces without having to see this and it isn’t going to change the mind of anyone who isn’t aware.

schiehallion on March 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Amazing. I just drove through Bridgeview Ill (95th and Harlem… don’t get down to the southside much anymore, except for work… but thats alot farther east than there). Holy s–t. That’s where the islamic terror front groups are located. EVERYTHING is in arabic.

LtE126 on March 27, 2008 at 6:42 PM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-0402080265feb08,1,7392742.story?coll=chi-site-nav

LtE126. I know the area and the same realization happened to me on a journey through the area about a year ago. Chicago Tribune ran a story on the Bridgeview Mosque problems a couple years ago. here’s the link.

Powerline notices it here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/012968.php

aquaviva on March 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Exactly. I watched one on Savage.com. When I described it to my coworkers they asked why I wanted to see something like that. I replied I wanted to know what we were fighting. To say it was heart wrenching and discusting is putting it mildly. Masked men performing an act that most only relate to hollywood films should unite the country to defeat these animals. It speaks volumes when the left blames our policies to justify these actions and to suggest we need a dialog to solve our image issue. I suggest a cruise missle.

Les in NC on March 27, 2008 at 6:58 PM

The principle danger to the West is not sporadic acts of violence, but the inexorable demographic transformation that will take place. It isn’t at all clear how Wilders suggests we stop it.

This is how you stop it.

And this from Hugh Fitzgerald:

Here is a partial list of measures that should be undertaken immediately:

1. Education of Infidels, so that they are well aware of the contents of the texts of Islam–Qur’an, Hadith, Sira.

2. Education of Infidels, so that they understand how, over 1350 years, those texts have been received, and acted upon, by Believers.

3. Education of Infidels, so that they know a good deal about the history of Islamic conquest, and subsequent subjugation of non-Muslim peoples in the lands conquered–a subjugation that, no matter what the land, or the kind of non-Muslims conquered, the result was always the same.

4. Education of Muslims within Infidel countries, so that they will understand that the failures of Muslim societies–political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral–are the direct result of Islam itself.

5. An end to all Muslim immigration to Infidel lands.

6. Imposition of tests for naturalization that require a detailed knowledge of the history and cultural achievements of the Western country in question–see “Going Dutch” for one, admittedly exaggerated-for-effect example.

7. Inclusion, in the test for naturalization, of a loyalty oath, swearing sole allegiance to the political and legal institutions of the particular Infidel nation-state. In the case of the United States, allegiance to the Constitution would be considered adequate. Subsequent proof of perjury would, in the law, be considered valid grounds for stripping a naturalized citizen of that citizenship.

8. Making any support, direct or indirect, for Jihad–defined as the “struggle” to remove all obstacles to the spread and dominance of Islam, including but not limited to the political and legal institutions of the host country–illegal.

9. Preventing any foreign funds from entering the country to be spent for the building or upkeep of mosques or other institutions connected to Islam, or for campaigns of Da’wa.

10. Curtailing in the prisons campaigns of Da’wa, on the grounds that the evidence shows that those who convert contain a high proportion of people who subsequently present a threat to society.

11. Refusing to bow to any Muslim demands for changes either in schools or in workplaces to accommodate Muslim rituals or Muslim ideas of what is fitting, from the hijab (where banned, as in France) or for extra time off for prayers in the middle of the work-day. This is not the sort of accommodation that Infidels, in Infidel lands, should be expected to make. In other words, the policy should be No Changes For Islam.

12. Reciprocity in the current number of mosques. Taking into account the absence, for tens of millions of non-Muslims in Muslim-ruled lands, of churches, Hindu temples, and other houses of worship, the policy should be to reduce the number of mosques in Western lands until there is a change in the Muslim lands. Reciprocity is a concept most people can understand and justify.

13. Reducing benefits so that large families (likely to be Muslim) cannot continue to be formed by those who assume they will be supported by the state. Muslim women will be expected to work in the same numbers as non-Muslim women, and will no longer be supported by the Infidel state (that is, Infidel taxpayers) to be breeding machines.

14. Enforcement of the laws against polygamy will be increased. Those practicing polygamy will be subject to being stripped of citizenship and returned to that Muslim state from which they, or their closest relatives, came. Since so many Muslims in Western Europe continue to observe, in Muslim enclaves, the mores of the countries that they, or their parents, or their grandparents, came from, the argument that they cannot “go back” can be dealt with. There is no obligation for the countries of Western Europe to live with the colossal error of their immigration policy.

15. There will be not the slightest concession made to Muslim sensibilities on the subject of aspects of Islam, including Muhammad. Those who wish to live in an environment where Islam is to be free of criticism are free to move to Muslim countries. There are many dozens of them. They control vast land areas, and vast natural resources. This is not a case of a tiny people having no place to go.

16. Efforts should be made to publicize the most celebrated defectors from Islam, to publish and distribute their books, to make much of them. This should be done both for the education of Infidels, and for the conceivable education of those who, born into Islam, may be persuaded to leave it.

The countries of North America and Western European countries can do much to make the practice of Islam, and campaigns of Da’wa, harder to support, and to make those Muslims who are intent on adhering to this ideology so dangerous to non-Muslims think again about remaining in the Western world. Benefits can be limited. Foreign sources of aid can be cut. The general atmosphere of continuing refusal to yield, and of ever-increasing Infidel awareness of the texts of Islam and the history of Muslim conquest, will naturally create conditions of suspicion and hostility that are not, to the well-informed, either wicked, or baseless but, alas, entirely reasonable.

Since:

# Islam is a mortal threat to our civilization.

# But we cannot destroy Islam.

# Nor can we democratize Islam.

# Nor can we assimilate Islam.

I believe the only hope we have is to separate ourselves from Islam. We must isolate them so that they are no danger to us.

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 6:59 PM

schiehallion on March 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM

Yeah, sorry about that comment, that’s why I didn’t quote you directly. It’s not you, it’s the mindset of not wanting to upset ourselves that keeps us blind to the brutality. It’s a tricky rope to walk, as we don’t want to become desensitized, yet we need to understand the gravity. Please understand I’m not directly referring to you. Just a little fired up at the prospect of an Islamic future.

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Say what you will about Bush, but he understands it.

I think Bush understands radical Islam and jihad. I don’t think he understands the relationship that exists between jihad and Islamization. Jihad violence creates an atmosphere of intimidation in which the subject population is quick to meet the demands of the Islamists. Many of these demands are aimed at weakening the subject population, leaving it more vulnerable to future violence. So jihad expedites Islamization, while Islamization facilitates jihad.

RedWinged Blackbird on March 27, 2008 at 7:03 PM

All the bosses left so I could finally watch it!

Like a lot of others said, anyone who is a regular reader of this site or LGF could have made this same video, or better.

I was expecting more…slightly let down.

Vigilante on March 27, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Those images, strung together, are powerful and hard to watch. For better or for worse, it’s out there now, so let the conversation begin.
As others have said, it’s a film anyone could have made… just string the words of imams together with the actions of their followers, and you have a pretty persuasive argument, though some will say an incomplete one. JihadWatch is much deeper and more informative, but for the sound bite generation, this will probably be more effective. Whether that’s good or bad, I can’t say until tomorrow.

joewm315 on March 27, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Just finished watching all of the English version. Powerful stuff. Saddens and angers me to think what may become of Europe, and eventually here if people don’t get their heads out of their PC a**es

Keli on March 27, 2008 at 7:11 PM

No surprises for those of us paying attention.

It’s not that I didn’t understand the threat of RADICAL Islam, it’s that I thought there was a difference between “moderate” Islam and “radical” Islam. The most effective thing this video did, for me, was to point out the passages in the Koran that call on Muslims to terrorize.

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Say what you will about Bush, but he understands it.

Oh good Lord you have to be kidding me, right? Bush not only doesn’t understand it, he’s complacent in making the situation worse. How is a Bush a traitor, let me count the ways:

- This is a man, after all, who said that the “radicals” can’t recruit through ideology, but instead depend upon poverty and lack of education as their means to convince Muslims to wage Jihad.

- This is a man who has openly declared that “Islam is a religion of peace.”

- This is a man who is in bed with the Saudis, a mortal enemy to this country and the West in general.

- This is a man who’s own administration sucks up to and kowtows to Muslim groups any chance they get.

- This is man who, while boldly declaring that we’re “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here,” continues to allow Muslims to emigrate to our shores. This is a man who REFUSES to secure our borders.

- This is man who’s real knowledge of Islam is so lacking that he foolishly believes peace between Muslims and Israelis is possible — as long as there’s “open dialogue.”

- This is a man who’s real knowledge of true Islam is so lacking that he’s sacrificed billions of dollars and thousands of lives in effort to achieve the impossible: freedom, liberty, and democracy under the banner of an Islamic state.

And so on and so forth.

George W. Bush doesn’t “understand” anything. And John McCain won’t be any better.

Wake up, people.

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM

You sound like a disgruntled Tancredo supporter. I liked the guy too, but we’re stuck with McCain and we both know he’s better than the alternative.
**Can’t believe I had to say “we’re stuck with McCain…disgusting**

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Whoops.

complacent = complicit*

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 7:27 PM

**Can’t believe I had to say “we’re stuck with McCain…disgusting**

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 7:23 PM

It’s true though. At least we won’t have to worry about dismantling of our military under McCain. We have proof we’d have to worry abou that with Hillary, and who knows what the heck would happen under Obama.

NTWR on March 27, 2008 at 7:28 PM

I applaud Geert Wilders’ bravey and his concern for his countrymen.

Fitna, is an expression of his beliefs and concerns just as jihad, murder, terror, female genital mutilation are the result of following the Koran.

Fitna, does not expose anything new about Islam. Nor does it expose anything new about muslims or the Koran.

As a Pentecostal, my first and foremost concern for all people is their salvation. Yes, the violence and atrocities the Muslims commit are a grave concern but not nearly as much as seeing so many people wholly given to the idolatry of Islam. Their idolatry is what fuels their hatred, their arrogance, their murderous and destructive rages.

Idolatry is the problem.

The Koran is the means by which the fires of idolatry are stoked to a white hot fire.

Larry L. Sharp on March 27, 2008 at 7:31 PM

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 7:23 PM

No, I sound like a disgruntled, frustrated, American patriot.

I liked the guy too, but we’re stuck with McCain and we both know he’s better than the alternative.

You may be stuck with him, but I’m not. Please tell me what all of this compromise in the face of the onslaught of liberalism (both from the left and right) has gotten us over the years? Nothing Just more liberalism, more stupidity, more insanity.

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 7:33 PM

how to get real change….watch these #47 blew me away

spacekicker on March 27, 2008 at 7:43 PM

the muslim tide is rising.
shame on europe for casting a blind eye.
and so it’s up to us to bail out the world, again.

BO and Billary should be given the Clockwork Orange treatment with this one.

thanks for posting.
HA is the place to be.

jimmer on March 27, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Please tell me what all of this compromise in the face of the onslaught of liberalism (both from the left and right) has gotten us over the years?

I’m pissed too. But I’ll tell you what it HASN’T gotten….another 9/11. Bush sucks, but was Kerry any better?

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 7:48 PM

# Islam is a mortal threat to our civilization.

# But we cannot destroy Islam.

# Nor can we democratize Islam.

# Nor can we assimilate Islam.

I believe the only hope we have is to separate ourselves from Islam. We must isolate them so that they are no danger to us.

Not too sure if that sounds more like defeatism or isolationism.

hmm.

Reaps on March 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Here in the south suburbs of Chicago, Islam is spreading from its festering wound in Bridgview. When a new mosque is proposed, there is a public hearing, but those who oppose it are asked for specific reasons why, and are labeled as racists, bigots, etc.

Atheists here treat Islam as though it is the same as the Unitarian Church, or Presbyterians, just another group of religious weirdos. It’s hard to know how to handle the spread, since killing every Muslim you see seems like bad form.

Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 8:20 PM

You tube just removed it, got my view in prior to that though. Anyone surprised by this?

gator70 on March 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM

You tube just removed it, got my view in prior to that though. Anyone surprised by this?

YouTube was taking off trailers of Fitna. Everyone knew they would take down the actual movie. You should be watching it on LiveLeak anyways…they are the ones brave enough to host (and feature on their front page) this eye opening movie.

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM

You tube just removed it, got my view in prior to that though. Anyone surprised by this?

gator70 on March 27, 2008 at 8:23 PM

No and neither am I surprised that google’s share price has tanked, that more and more people appear to be moving away from the google search engine. I am also not surprised that their motto is “do no evil”. Google will fail and will they will fail badly.

I’m surprised that they lasted this long. Piece of free money advice. short google shares.

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Amazing. I just drove through Bridgeview Ill (95th and Harlem… don’t get down to the southside much anymore, except for work… but thats alot farther east than there). Holy s–t. That’s where the islamic terror front groups are located. EVERYTHING is in arabic.

LtE126 on March 27, 2008 at 6:42 PM

LtE126. I know the area and the same realization happened to me on a journey through the area about a year ago.

aquaviva on March 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Bingo, boys. But we’re still talking about a small percentage of the local residents. This mosque should be raided and investigated thoroughly, but no one in our government has the guts.

Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Just watched it. Not as earthshattering or in-depth as I expected or has been hyped. I thought Obsession was a better movie, but the message of both movies and the words of our enemies needs to be replayed over and over so more people understand what we’re up against. Kudos to Wilders and may God protect him and his countrymen.

CP on March 27, 2008 at 8:36 PM

I think the movie was fairly weak in terms of its message. I agree that everything in the movie is banal truth but politically much more precise messages are needed.

However, I think we can all agree on one thing. There’s nothing in this movie that justifies any sort of violent reaction. Anyone who doesn’t unequivocally denounce any violence that will follow and tries to excuse it by the hatefulness of the movie is objectively on the side of evil.

freevillage on March 27, 2008 at 8:37 PM

freevillage on March 27, 2008 at 8:37 PM

agreed

unseen on March 27, 2008 at 8:38 PM

You tube just removed it, got my view in prior to that though. Anyone surprised by this?

No. Not at all. Stop using Google and Youtube. Both don’t support freedom.

jdun on March 27, 2008 at 8:42 PM

What search engine do patriots use?

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM

This was well done, nice use of music, but it’s nothing I haven’t seen before. I wonder if I could generate as much internet hype by creating something a little more abrasive yet equally factual.

Given the stuff that is still on YouTube I can’t believe they pulled it. Lefty tree-hugging idiots…

Kudos to LiveLeak.

cannonball on March 27, 2008 at 8:50 PM

For those of you here worried that this is just “preaching to the choir, and others outside of conservatives won’t see Fitna, there’s another group that needs to be exposed to this, that could be convinced: Libertarians.

I’m a rightwing libertarian. Thus, I feel nice and comfy here at HotAir with my conservative friends. But, the leftwing libertarians that I know are very cynical, and believe that the War on Islamo-Fascism is a farce.

Please, I’m begging my conservative friends, pleading with you all, get very libertarian you know to at least view Fitna.

Go over to Reason.com, or ThirdPartyWatch.com or Liberty Papers or Free Liberal or Nolan Chart or LewRockwell.com or any of the Ron Paul sites. Ask them why it is they haven’t yet posted Fitna? Ask them about the contradictions in their beliefs – in favor of legalizing prostitution, gambling, tolerance on gays, free speech rights, ect… yet aligning themselves with Islamo-Fascists who want to outlaw all of that.

The Liberals are brain dead. Libertarians are not. They are critical thinkers. They can be reached.

Use Fitna to get them to join us in our fight against Radical Islam.

ericdondero on March 27, 2008 at 8:52 PM

The worries for riots that he shared with the Dutch society have diminished, he said. According to Bourzik the efforts from the Dutch government have added to this relief.

He said Wilders must have thought hard about the movie and that it is within the boundaries of the law.

Good news, everyone. The Islamic leader has decided that the film didn’t disrespect Islam too much, so it’s not illegal.

Fricken ridiculous.

amerpundit on March 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Update: At least one Dutch Muslim leader is underwhelmed.

I’m so relieved to hear he is relieved. /s

Does this Muslim leader deny the points made by Wilders film? That is what I want to know. I don’t give two hoots about his feelings.

Connie on March 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM

I thought the film was just a prop in making the authorities pee their pants in trying to mollify Islam by shutting down free speech. I was satisfied Wilders had scored his point.

And then here on the eve of Eid-Al-Seethe, this lovely gem mounted in a well crafted setting displayed on velvet! Using Islams words and Islams voices and Islams deeds to cut Islams throat. Perfect.

BL@KBIRD on March 27, 2008 at 8:54 PM

I believe the only hope we have is to separate ourselves from Islam. We must isolate them so that they are no danger to us.

Not too sure if that sounds more like defeatism or isolationism.

hmm.

Reaps on March 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I think it’s more like containment, which was Harry Truman’s (and succeeding Presidents’) response to the threat of Soviet Communism.

This mosque should be raided and investigated thoroughly, but no one in our government has the guts.

Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 8:34 PM

I would like to think that the FBI is actively monitoring what’s going on in the mosques and Islamic schools in this country. There is, to be sure, an issue of free speech, and freedom of religion, so there is a fine line to walk. But if these organizations are preaching the violent overthrow of our Constitution, they make themselves fair game.

And the ones that have any connection to Islamist and terrorist groups, like CAIR, should be thrown out of the country forthwith.

MrLynn on March 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Fricken ridiculous.

amerpundit on March 27, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Exactly.

Connie on March 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM

MrLynn on March 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Of course the point is that the Qur’an is a book which teaches hate and bigotry. It should not be allowed as teaching material for children or in prisons.

Connie on March 27, 2008 at 8:59 PM

George W. Bush doesn’t “understand” anything. And John McCain won’t be any better.

Wake up, people.

2Brave2Bscared on March 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM

Two more in your list you forgot – Kosovo. Anybody who is inane enough to support a Jihad anywhere, particularly against a country like Serbia that has not been working against US interests since Milosevic – doesn’t have a clue about what he’s dealing with wrt Islam.

Other is his proposal to send an envoy to the OIC, which is today’s Warsaw Pact and Axis alliance against us. It pretty much followed the tracks of Karen Hughes’ grovelling to Islam tour of the Mid East.

This has nothing to do with my views on Tancredo. I agree w/ him re: Mecca, but I would have been fine with even Romney winning. Romney, who put Boston mosques under surveillance to monitor for Jihadi activity

infidelpride on March 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Youtube will keep deleting it. Somehow, Google video seems better – I’ve never seen stuff get deleted from Google video

infidelpride on March 27, 2008 at 9:00 PM

But if these organizations are preaching the violent overthrow of our Constitution…

MrLynn on March 27, 2008 at 8:55 PM

What if they are interested in the non-violent overthrow of the Constitution?

And the ones that have any connection to Islamist and terrorist groups, like CAIR, should be thrown out of the country forthwith.

Agree with you there.

Connie on March 27, 2008 at 9:03 PM

I put it on my favorites on my YouTube account. I can’t seem to access it anymore, though.

NorthernCross on March 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM

I think the movie was fairly weak in terms of its message. I agree that everything in the movie is banal truth but politically much more precise messages are needed.

However, I think we can all agree on one thing. There’s nothing in this movie that justifies any sort of violent reaction. Anyone who doesn’t unequivocally denounce any violence that will follow and tries to excuse it by the hatefulness of the movie is objectively on the side of evil.

freevillage on March 27, 2008 at 8:37 PM

As we’ve been discussing for weeks, Wilders has already proven his point. The sheer hysteria over whether he was even legally permitted to film such a movie showed the world what pantywaist sissies the Eurocrats are.

fourstringfuror on March 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Chakra Hammer on March 27, 2008 at 6:33 PM

I am sticking with the show instead of the manga ( I did cheat to see if Ichigo beat #6). I watched the entire series in about 3 weeks. I’m going to wait until the end of the year and catch up with a string of new episodes.

Theworldisnotenough on March 27, 2008 at 9:04 PM

What search engine do patriots use?

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I dunno, but I know that only flaming RINOs use Google. LOL

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM

flaming RINOs

That’s definetely gonna be my rock band’s name, should I ever start one.

joewm315 on March 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM

I finally watched the entire film uninterrupted. We must continue to carry the fight to these fanatics. We must crush them, completely.

Zorro on March 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM

What search engine do patriots use?

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I dunno, but I know that only flaming RINOs use Google. LOL

malan89 on March 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Funny girl! Still need an answer from the helpful HA crew!

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Anecdote time. I sent the link to my non-political assistant. After he watched it he said he had no idea about all the violence and how it’s mandated in the quran. That little part of the beheading video shocked him. It’s one thing to hear about these things, it’s quite another to actually see the video.

I say again, this film is going to be very effective as an introduction to people who have been ignoring the threat of Islam as hyperbole, or something that can’t possibly affect their comfortable little life.

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 9:43 PM

Thanks for the torrent link Allah. I’ll be seeding it till they take my head…longer if they don’t think to stop Azureus.

blankminde on March 27, 2008 at 9:50 PM

In less then 12 hours over 2 million people have watch it. Great for liveleak, bad for MSM. Without the internet this kind of stuff will not be shown to the general public by the liberal medias.

Tell your friends about it or post it on message boards.

jdun on March 27, 2008 at 9:52 PM

The video isn’t new or groundbreaking in its synopsis of the islamisation of western culture.The images,facts,quotes have been posted either on this site or through links provided by HA members.The video should provide at the least to disinterested parties(the pc world view crowd)that a scimitar knows no friends.
Thanks for the post AP,I’ll be forwarding the link to my southpaw associates,it ought to be interesting tomorrow to see how they spin this at work.

raceroh on March 27, 2008 at 10:02 PM

I finally watched the entire film uninterrupted. We must continue to carry the fight to these fanatics. We must crush them, completely.

Zorro on March 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM

The video shows numerous examples of the indoctrination and brain washing of children…the only way to end that kind of madness going from one generation to the next is a HP to the base of the head. If by crush them completely you mean what I think you mean you are right on track and it is the only way to stop this mental disease called ISLAM!

jwp1964 on March 27, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Why We Fight.

29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM

It’s also available on YouTube. 210 there views so far.

amerpundit on March 27, 2008 at 5:52 PM

It’s been removed.

29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Funny girl! Still need an answer from the helpful HA crew!

RushBaby on March 27, 2008 at 9:38 PM

Could always use Dogpile. They weren’t afraid to celebrate the 4th of July.

Asher on March 27, 2008 at 10:23 PM

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