Too bad to check: McCain blocked House border enforcement bill?
posted at 2:18 pm on March 27, 2008 by Allahpundit
What? No, no, he’s … learned his lesson. He gets it now. He’s an enforcer. He wouldn’t let us down again, not after those very sincere compliments he paid us at CPAC.
Would he?
U.S. Rep. Heath Shuler says he believes Republican presidential candidate John McCain blocked his immigration bill from getting a vote on the U.S. House floor. McCain’s staff denies it.
The Waynesville Democrat spoke to the Rotary Club of Hendersonville on Tuesday. He said the Republican leadership tried to bring the Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement Act to the House floor. They used a provision of House rules called a discharge petition, in which a simple majority can bring to the floor a bill that is stuck in committee.
The petition had 181 of the 217 signatures needed to force a vote on the bill…
McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, called Republicans in Congress and asked them not to sign the petition, Shuler said. He said after McCain’s intervention, Republicans in the House were less willing to sign onto the bill.
Team Maverick denies it. Whom to believe here, Captain Amnesty or a guy from the other side who could very well have ginned this up as a way of kneecapping the GOP nominee among his base on an issue in which he already has zero credibility? If Shuler’s telling the truth, how come none of the border enforcers among the House GOP who surely would have gotten wind of McCain’s meddling have leaked this anonymously to the media? Granted, it’s an election season and party discipline is higher than normal, but loyalty to the nominee for some of these guys will come second to loyalty to the cause.
On the other hand, the last thing McCain wants is to have to vote on this himself. If he votes yes, he alienates the Latinos he’s counting on in purple states to beat Obama; if he votes no, SECOND LOOK AT STAYING HOME! He can’t skip the vote either as it’ll look too weaselly so the natural thing to do is to try to kill it in the House before it squeaks through and becomes his problem. Exit question one: Isn’t the likeliest scenario that some other power player called around on McCain’s behalf, semi-secretly to keep his fingerprints off of it? Exit question two: What would Juan Hernandez say?
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Branch Rickey
Not to argue about anything trivial, you know :-) (but after all this is the web and that’s what we do best sometimes :-)!), but I vote with JetBoy’s spelling at 2:47 PM. Y’all is spelled y’all. Short for you all.
See Southern American English and the title of Y’all-The Magazine of Southern People.
However, I will concede:
Now if you’re real Southern:
INC on March 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Comment, not argument, and its brevity conveys how worthless your shallow contribution is.
Pay attention, nobody is going to produce a crayola version of events for your benefit.
LimeyGeek on March 27, 2008 at 3:49 PM
You know not what you just wrote. But I’ll let you wallow in your prideful ignorance. It is really blissful.
Entelechy on March 27, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Shuler’s congressional district leans Republican, and he won in an upset in 2006, partially due to his name recognition and to overall discontent by core GOP voters. So Heath may be thinking that with either Hillary or Obama at the top of the ticket this fall, he needs to call an audible and scramble to the right in a hurry, to avoid problems from a potential GOP challenger for his seat, where Democratis turnout could be depressed (especially in North Carolina, if Hillary swindles Obama out of the nomination).
Even if his story is a tad embellished, calling out McCain on immigration reform isn’t a bad idea, since at worst he’ll be seen as making a bogus charge coming from the right of the pending Republican presidential nominee. That would only hurt him if he had a challenger looming in the upcoming N.C. Democratic primary.
jon1979 on March 27, 2008 at 3:51 PM
To quote my former employer, Lyndon Baines Johnson, “Boys, I may not know know much, but I know the difference between chickensh*t and chicken salad.”
And John “Straight Talk” McCain sure ain’t chicken salad!
TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 3:51 PM
A very small percentage of al Qaeda (actually mostly AQI) and friends are in Iraq.
You have a very Iraqi-centric view of the world.
The Shiites can’t even get along with the Shiites in Iraq.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 3:51 PM
But wait, all cultures are equal, right?
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Barry Goldwater.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 3:55 PM
We need to build the border fence and have the e-verify for employers. When that happens and people like Sheriff Joe in Maricopa County in AZ start arresting these people and put an end to sanctuary cities, they will self-deport. Its already starting to happen in the Phoenix area.
And anyone arrested for anything; driving infractions,burgarly, etc., should have to show proof of citizenship. No citizenship, hard labor in Alaska and then deported.
cjs1943 on March 27, 2008 at 3:56 PM
That solves it. You’ll have to consider colonizing Mars, with the 3 choices, and with B. Goldwater dead.
Those of you who’re for writing in, please list the viable options.
Entelechy on March 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Two mistakes in a short comment. McCain is an idiot, not a socialist. E is neither.
JiangxiDad on March 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM
That’s what we are told. Bush seems to think so.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Actually, it’s a contraction of ya all and pronounced just as spelled “ya’ll.” 4th Generation Georgian speaking here so unless you have better “street cred” on this other than links; I wouldn’t screw with the southern vernacular.
BTW, the plural of ya’ll is “ya’ll and them.” It’s a just a thing. Try something else half-wit.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Entelechy,
I’ll internalize but only partially. Its been a rough day here in Zettersonville and I read this McCain story and the bad b-words just flowed. I assume that was your point of contention. Its not often you have your car towed, ipod stolen and dog die all in the same day. Please just consider the above posts a much needed vent. I’ll carry on from this point foward with all the civility of an Englishman.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Let’s not deny reality folks. Whether this particular story is True or not is irrelevant. We all know that all the Presidential candidates are pro-amnesty.
It is going to be up to We, the People, to prevent amnesty from becoming law.
I’m hopeful. We did it once, we can do it again. And look at the success of Operation Chaos.
misterpeasea on March 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Oh, brother…
Well, the main points I’m trying to make:
1) There’s probably 20 million here illegally. And no one…NO ONE…is going to be deporting all of them. So let’s look at alternatives.
2) McCain hasn’t even hinted that he would go as far as Ronald Reagan once did by granting blanket amnesty.
JetBoy on March 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM
This should be easy enough to check. Perhaps some reporters should call some republican representatives who didn’t sign the petition and ask if they got a call from McCain.
And they might want to follow up with Shuler and ask him why he had to rely upon the other party to get his proposal voted upon too.
funky chicken on March 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM
I refuse to believe that Barry Goldwater is dead.
God would not give us only Fallen Massiah, HildaCackleBeast and Juan Plantation McVano to choose from. He would never o that.
Are you questioning my faith?
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM
McCain is very bad on immigration. The democrats are even worse.
McCain would be less likely to interfere in local and state anti-illegal initiatives than Obama or Clinton too.
funky chicken on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Except he is not that bright (he was a “student athlete” at Tennessee under Fulmer for pete’s sake) nor was he that good of a football player. I think Heath wishes he had thrown in with republicans than sold his soul to Nancy Pelosi. Later Heath. You are so gonna get smacked down is year. Doofus!
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM
My dear Zetterson,
For the loss of your dog, you have my utmost and deepest sympathy. I love animals more than people, and don’t excuse this comment. My heart goes out to you, and my thoughts will be there. I lost some, and have never forgotten them. Best remedy is to take a while, not a long one, and to get another dog, while keeping the ones that are in dog-heaven in our hearts.
Not to worry about anything else. Look, I’ve been called an idiot for being a socialist, and it made me smile. All the strenghts,
Entelechy on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM
‘you all’ is ‘ya’ll’
There is no way McCain would have touched this. He’s been in the Middle East and Iraq for goodness sakes. He’s not even paying attention to what is going on here. This is a free way for D’s to smack down the R nominee while their candidates are getting raked over the coals.
Come on AP, don’t let them bait you like that. That was too easy.
ThackerAgency on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM
You have quite an infantile-centric view of the world
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Oh, brother… and oh, sister …
No one.…NO ONE.…has said they were going to deport all of them.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Branch Rickey,
Hey!
5th generation Floridian here. Other branches lived in Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee since sometime in the 1600′s.
Only Yankee that I know of (and I think he was a great-great granddad) was one born in Indiana to Southern parents and he moved back to the South after the Civil War).
INC on March 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Has anyone ever told you that you are an effective debater?
A passable debater?
I didn’t think so.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Actually I think the VA & NC ones date to the 1600′s. The ones from TN only go back to the 1800′s. There are some Georgians mixed in there as well.
But all in good fun, you know!
INC on March 27, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Did you forget to post these alternatives in your post or do you not have any other? I have an idea. I bet if we enforce the laws on the books (i.e. deport an illegal alien caught during the commission of a crime and than, guess what: I bet a few people will come out the shadows and go back to their own damn country).
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Figures
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Iraqi-centric belief system:
1) All roads start in Iraq.
2) All roads end in Iraq.
3) The Sun revolves around Iraq.
4) The moon revolves around Iraq.
5) The stars revolve around Iraq.
6) If the United States does not keep sufficient troop mass in Iraq, the orbital stability of the Earth will become unbalanced and all Muslim terrorists will slide into America.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM
You guys make me laugh.
There is no way this bill was going to pass, even if it did get voted on. So, put yourself in McCain’s place for a minute and think about it. No matter which way he voted, the result would have been….pushing Obama closer to the White House.
If you had the chance to block it without having to cast a vote, wouldn’t you? Even if you really believed that it needed to pass, you have to agree that now is not the time to vote on it. Especially when there is a near zero chance of it actually passing.
brirodg on March 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Tussle with MB4 and…………..you lose!
Okay, I’ll shut up.
captivated_dem on March 27, 2008 at 4:13 PM
North Florida–which is still in the South you know!
INC on March 27, 2008 at 4:14 PM
JetBoy, nobody worth their salt is advocating a forceful deportation of all illegals in this country. All we are asking for is the enforcement of the laws on the books laid out by the will of the American people.
As for Amnesty, look at it this way, if a criminal breaks law X then their is a legal penalty Y for that action. The law should apply equally to all citizens regardless of race, sex or creed. That is the foundation of the American justice system. However a person entered into this country and found themselves to be illegal, they have by definition, broken a law. They have broken a law that the American people have decided over the years is the law of the land. What John McCain is doing is ignoring the law. They are ignoring the American people and choosing instead to do what they decide should be done. They are replaceing the American justice system with their own free will. All we are saying is for our elected officials to uphold their duty to the constitution and represent the will of the American people. I know thats not much to ask.
If you feel that a law is too harsh or unfair for any reason, there is a process that must be followed in order to go about changing the law. All we want is for the laws on the books to be enforced and if the laws are bad go about the necessary steps to change the law. Unfortunately for John McCain, he knows that obeying the constitution and changing the laws the way they are supposed to be changed is not viable because to do so would have to, at some point, involve the approval of the American citizens. He knows that will never happen so he decided its easier to play kind and just go about things the way he wants to go about things.
I cannot ever vote for him for this reason alone.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Enforce the laws and they will self-deport.
cjs1943 on March 27, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I can’t believe I have been so wrong. You are so right. I think we should move all those poor souls from Gitmo to your home. And just pull out of Iraq and and Afghanistan and re-elect Jimmy Carter and Algoreacle and Global Warming. You are soooooooooooo much smarter. WTF???
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:17 PM
meant to say its easier to play KING and just go about things the way he wants to go about things.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:17 PM
So nice to see citizens expect so little of the people to whom they have given their trust. McVain has no principles that’s why he would not want it to come up for a vote.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:19 PM
That’s what you think.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:20 PM
I appreciate the kind words E. He was a great dog and we gave him a wonderful life. That is all that matters. Your wise suggestion is exactly what we plan on doing.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Do you have any proof that they aren’t planning one? Believe me, it’s just a matter of time. If you think that fighting in Iraq has kept us safe, you are living under a false sense of security.
I would submit that the wiretapping might have something to do with the success of the admin’s keeping us safe. I’m not so sure about the fighting in Iraq.
stenwin77 on March 27, 2008 at 4:21 PM
That must have been a bad pic of Heath Shuler or the guy has really let himself go. It looks like he has little piggie eyes like Joe Scarbrough too. Ick.
funky chicken on March 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM
NcCain can hardly be called a fiscal conservative if he hasn’t studied the federal/local budget drain that illegals cost our country. All he has to do is read the figures assembled by The Heritage Foundation.
You are correct, cjs. Enforcement leads to self-deportation.
Cutting federal funds to “maverick” sanctuary cities demonstrates a committment to secure borders, as well.
onlineanalyst on March 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM
He might be the Constitution Party’s candidate. He’s looking good to me now, as well.
stenwin77 on March 27, 2008 at 4:23 PM
If we enforce our laws and shut down the free education, free health care, free foodstamps, punish the $h1t out of employers that hire them, etc. etc. etc. they will deport themselves. Then they can do some good back home and overthrow their own corrupt governments instead of corrupting ours.
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Never said it was the only thing but it is an integral part. And what proof do you have that terrorists are planning an attack? If you have some should you be notifying the proper authorities rather then on a blog taking cheap shot on the GWOT? Got Burka?
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Ah, the tried but true “shut the f**k up and support the GOP nominee” riff. No Jet, putting America first does not lead to mindless support of McCain. Everyone is acting shocked that Clinton got caught in a lie. Now, everyone is acting like it is a surprise that McCain is actively attempting to backdoor that which failed in his brokered deal with Teddy Kennedy- specifically amnesty for all the little brown criminals that are running around the country.
This is a taste of what a McCain presidency will do to America and, I for one, am putting America first by not caving in and blindly supporting any candidate; particularly a shify political traitor like McCain. If he wants my vote and support he is going have to prove to me that he stands for my values. Sneaking around the House getting them to spike border security legislation proves what a big rat McCain is. Character counts and McCain is proving himself to be as big a slimeball as expected.
highhopes on March 27, 2008 at 4:25 PM
If the employers don’t get fined, we will sure mind.
If the employers don’t do jail, we won’t hail.
If the employers don’t swing, it’s got no ring.
If the employers don’t hang, it’s got no bang.
If the employers sail, we won’t hail.
If the candidates just talk, we will walk.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Exactly.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Reporter: Senator McCain, is it true that if you become President you will put a real fence along the border with Mexico rather than just some phony so called “virtual fence”? And a follow up question sir, if so what will the physical fence look like?
John McCain: That is a very good question and yes when I become el President I will put up a physical fence. What will it look like? Well it will run the full length of the border and have special security gates every 100 feet.
All the security gates will have on them:
1) Press one for Spanish (with a response of “Welcome Amigo, my country is your country and please take a free map to the wonderful plantation owner employer of your choice. Also please feel free to enroll you children in our schools and demand that they be taught in Spanish and please also feel free to avail yourself of all the free medical care that you want.”).
2) Press two for English (with a response of “Go to
Infierno you damned bigoted nativist lazy madre fornicario gringo who does not want what is right for America del Norte!!!”).
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM
BTW, actually won quite a few debate awards in my time, from your snarky comment before on this thread. But as to “poem” on 4:27; you might feel more comfortable on YT Paulbot.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM
“and don’t excuse this comment”. I don’t either and based on your previous comments, I’m not surprised.
I’ll bet you love trees more than people too.
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Michael Savage
orlandocajun on March 27, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Aha! But then, wouldn’t that fall under the term “amnesty”?
Absolutely agreed. But…illegals are not citizens. Now what?
Ok, but here’s where it gets a little tricky. Yeah…what McCain proposes goes against the law as it now stands. But then Bush has ignored the law. Clinton too. Bush 41, Reagan, Carter…how far back do I need to go? Why, all of a sudden, is McCain labeled “McAmnesty”?
This isn’t really a Constitutional issue either. Nothing in the Constitution says we deport people without proper papers. And the law states we allow a “wet foot/dry foot” policy with Cubans, and they don’t enter legally.
There’s just too much nuance to the whole “amnesty” issue. It’s not as cut-and-dry as simply enforcing the law.
JetBoy on March 27, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Got Sombrero?
stenwin77 on March 27, 2008 at 4:33 PM
It has nothing to do with “expecting so little.” It has to do with the fact that as of right now he is our only hope of NOT having Obama in the White House. I will support any tactic he can think of to get there.
You guys can all write-in vote for Mitt or Reagan or stay home if that is what you feel is the right thing to do. But don’t start complaining afterwards when your fed income taxes are 50% and Iraq is officially renamed al-Qaeda-stan.
I generally don’t agree with the “lesser of two evils” vote. But in this case I’m making an exception. Because, while McCain is not what I want, an Obama presidency will be a disaster.
brirodg on March 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM
You must be a big Putin fan and old time USSR fan with that kind of logic.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:36 PM
How in tarnation did Gitmo, Afghanistan, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Global warming get into this? You sure have a vivid imagination.
How about Rosie O’Donnell moving in with you?
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Its all about quality of character. Lying cheaters are exactly that, and I would prefer they stay back home in BFE where they belong. We already have enough minority problems here already.
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Buffoon, I am the one for fighting both the GWOT and Illegal Aliens, so I am not sure what your remark had to do with anything other than you thought you were clever. Stop. You are hurting yourself.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:37 PM
With principles like yours it’s so great to no longer be in the GOP. Ya’ll don’t want conservative help or votes so don’t be surprised when McCain, if he does get elected, to morph into, policy-wise, The Obama anyway. McCain is a backstabber. I lived through Jimmy Carter as Gov and Pres and recovered and 8 yrs of Horndog Clintonistas; pretty sure 4 yrs of The Obama can be undone quicker, especially with a twice loser for president McCain in the senate.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:42 PM
I never guess. It is a shocking habit, destructive to the logical faculty.
Holmes on March 27, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Well well…so that’s what it’s really all about, huh?
JetBoy on March 27, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I fully agree on this one with Mr. Savage. Here’s how it goes:
If I’m a socialist, or a liberal, then you are Einstein.
Entelechy on March 27, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I am not the one ignoring the GWOT MB4; that would be you. If you have nothing else to contribute than we can send all the idiots to you is the point.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Yes & no. The specifics aren’t defined in the constitution, true, but the authority for congress to enact immigration law most certainly is.
The constitution doesn’t specify that congress’ laws have to be intelligent, either ;)
I think it’s as nuanced as certain people wish to make it to deflect debate over what is startlingly obvious – we have perfectly constitutional immigration laws that are not being enforced upon the criminals that reside in this country illegally.
To the extent that the law is not applied, there you find your measure of amnesty. This amnesty is being brought about by people that have no authority to veto the law. These people are in violation of their public oaths of office, and should be (a) fired immediately, and (b) prosecuted.
LimeyGeek on March 27, 2008 at 4:43 PM
How are you? You have been in Afghanistan, I perceive.
Holmes on March 27, 2008 at 4:44 PM
No because the law doesn’t state that the US Government physically deports the criminal. It states that the criminal must leave the country and if they are caught X number of days later, still here, then they can be jailed. Amnesty comes in when you don’t enforce the laws on the books and as a result reward the law breaker with lack of punishment for their crimes. John McCain wants to take this even further. He believes that not only should these criminaliens be awarded with de-facto citizenship, they should also take money out of your pocket for free education, free medical care, free daycare, heck he advocated rewarding illegals with social security payments for income taxes they never paid in. Thats not just Amnesty, that’s Amnesty on steroids. Hence the title, Captain Amnesty.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Like I said in an earlier post, we have to build a fence, have e-verify for the employers, end sanctuary cities, and enforce the laws we already have, and they will self-deport.
They can go home and build their economies and rebuild their whole countries. The same goes for Michelle Obama and people of her ilk. Go live in a country that already supports the views that you have instead of trying to wreck ours.
cjs1943 on March 27, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Extremely well said LimeyGeek.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM
No, my brother was. I had a miscarriage and could not join his mission so I helped with his children back home. Any other rude comments you want to try?
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM
It is about the rule of law. I am for upping the number of legal immigrants. They are the honest ones I want here. And, illegals are a minority and they are a problem. We need to assimilate immigrants, and illegals are like trying m to take a drink out of a firehose. We are flooded with more than we can handle.
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 4:48 PM
No it would not be me. “Nation building” in Iraq does not equal the “GWOT”. You are the one with the Iraqi-centric view of the world, not I.
As to the other matter, how about you and all “the Idiots” moving in together? It might be enjoyable for all of you.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:49 PM
This is how McCain will lead the GOP. All conservative issues will be snubbed to the glee of most elected Republicans. It is better to have a Democrat with fierce opposition than a Republican who will take the country over a cliff.
Valiant on March 27, 2008 at 4:52 PM
At least no one can accuse you of being a callous criminal.
Holmes on March 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM
This is off topic but I’d be willing to vote for McCain if Sarah Palin is his veep. I like the idea of seeing that face at every State of the Union. Now what is this thread about?
srhoades on March 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Its about that no good McCain and how he is a impetuous back stabber and liar.
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 4:56 PM
It doesn’t matter who is elected, we are screwed. That is why I will write-in my candidate of choice and vote for my senator and representative. Hopefully, I can get a R congress.
cjs1943 on March 27, 2008 at 4:57 PM
“Nation building”Sustaining the Stability in Iraq, and thus the region, doesnotequal the“GWOT”Global War On Terrorism.You areMB4 is the one with theIraqiPaulbot-centric view of the world, not I.As to the other matter, how about
youMB4 and all “the Idiots” moving in together? It might be enjoyable for all of you.Fixed that for you MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 4:49 PM
No thanks necessary.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Well it would have been better if it had been about cigars, I know that much.
Sigy on March 27, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Too clever by none.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 4:59 PM
ditto
saiga on March 27, 2008 at 4:59 PM
My prediction:
McCain will be just as liberal as expected. He will sell conservatives down the river and be the liberals’ best friend. Each and every time he gangs up with Kennedy, Pelosi, and all the rest of the Democrats he will tell his own party to shut the f**k up, he knows what he is doing.
My further prediction: John McCain will eclipse Jimmy Carter as the worst president in modern times.
highhopes on March 27, 2008 at 5:02 PM
They were all wrong to do so. I’m not sure why that complicates matters. And sure, its kind of rediculous for the police to pull someone over for exceeding the speed limit by 1mph. But believe me, if exceeding the speed limit by 1mph held the same potential national destruction as does illegal immigration in a post 9/11 world, then yes, I would be standing here, using every legal argument possible as to why the strict enforcement of the law is imperative.
Jetboy, let me ask you this long winded question:
When Mohammed Jarrah was pulled over for speeding on Sept 9th 2001 and was found to have obtained his papers by illegal means, what should have been done? What would have been the proper way to handle that situation?
Assuming you agree that preventing 9/11 would have been a good thing to do, by what means should we handle illegal immigrants in order to most effectively avoid such catastrophies?
I am not afraid to say that the number one reason I want to know who is running around our country is that every bit of law enforcement helps to prevent these horrific attacks. Second, is the constitutional arguments because without security the constitution is pretty meaningless.
Zetterson on March 27, 2008 at 5:02 PM
It would be interesting to impress your memory engrams on a computer,
doctorBranch Rickey [updated].The resulting torrential flood of illogic would be most entertaining.
- Mr. Spock
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 5:04 PM
You owe EVERYONE on this thread a “dork dollar” just for quoting Star Trek imao, of course.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 5:10 PM
*DING*
Short short version: Shuler’s worried how Immigration will play in his district as a Democrat and he’s talking to Rep. Rahm Emmanuel about it.
Expect an Evans-Novak blurb about Shuler’s district.
gabriel sutherland on March 27, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Why? The Quote has got you pegged to a “T”.
MB4 on March 27, 2008 at 5:19 PM
BTW, you are real classy.
What are you, a “party-man” or a grown-up? This isn’t yearbook editor. This is the world stage. Isolationism did wonders for the world and allowed a little prick from Austria to get a foothold in Germany and allowed a fat toad to gain control in Italy. Must history be taught now because government run schools do not educate but indoctrinate?
{I may have just by accident channeled Johnny Cockroach – oops}
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Um, if you have to ask then you are beyond help.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM
JetBoy and other McCain backers …
All McCain has to do, is reject open borders. I’ll believe him if he changes his position. Otherwise, I’m sure you’ll get what you want without me.
I too am an American, Conservative, Republican. And as an American first, I know we have the backbone to put up with 4, or even 8 years of Obama if that’s what it takes to get conservatives back in office.
doufree on March 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM
Now if you’re real Southern:
Y’all is also used in the phrase “all y’all”, which is a more inclusive form comparable to “all of you”.
INC on March 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Actually if you are “real southern” it turns into you’ns
ArkCon on March 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Guess I’m beyond hope too then…
Romeo13 on March 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM
“What I haven’t seen yet is why so many people see McCain as some sort of “pro-amnesty” guy.”
You are obviously a left wing troll and that has got to be the dumbest statement of the day.
America1st on March 27, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Well said
brtex on March 27, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Yeah, that doesn’t play too well, does it? It also weakens the other perfectly legimate arguments. Not cool.
a capella on March 27, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Sherlock? Scottish, classy and fictional…
Entelechy on March 27, 2008 at 5:48 PM
“There’s just too much nuance to the whole “amnesty” issue. It’s not as cut-and-dry as simply enforcing the law.”
The only people who claim nuance are those who attempt to obfuscate the obvious.
America1st on March 27, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I didn’t think “got burka” was particularly useful. And calling people Buffoon kind of hurts you.
stenwin77 on March 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM
No matter who we vote for, we’ve lost the Republic. There is no political will among the ruling elite to do what they, our ‘gov’t', is/are sworn to do: protect us.
Highhopes got it right, but I’ve been labeled a non-conservative by those who pity Monica’s ex-boyfriend’s ‘wife’. Oh well.
Christine on March 27, 2008 at 6:02 PM
I’m convinced that having McCain as the “presumptive nominee” is due less to “liberal Republicans” and more to Democrats voting in early Republican primaries. I think Democrats intentionally pushed to move up the Florida primary and then said it wouldn’t count, to encourage Democrats to vote for McCain. It would appear that their strategy worked. But I still believe in miracles…like believing that the only candidate who comitted to build the border fence will, by the grace of God, be the next President of the United States.
Red Pill on March 27, 2008 at 6:08 PM
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