Pennsylvania superdelegates and coattails
posted at 7:05 am on March 27, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Democratic superdelegates have taken Hillary Clinton’s argument for free action seriously, but she’s not likely to be happy about it. While Hillary will probably win the state by double digits and could sweep the rest of the contests, these superdelegates wonder whether Hillary or Barack Obama will provide better coattails to down-ticket races in November. Her high negatives have become a point worth considering, they argue:
The prospect of a Hillary Clinton victory in Pennsylvania’s April 22 Democratic primary isn’t swaying some of the state’s superdelegates, who are hanging back while they calculate whether rival Barack Obama might prove a stronger draw at the top of the ticket in November.
While the New York senator is leading in polls, some undecided superdelegates — elected officials who get an automatic vote on the party presidential nomination regardless of the primary’s outcome — say they are concerned that her nomination would motivate greater numbers of Republicans to turn out in November to vote against her, and other Democrats too.
“If we nominate Senator Clinton, it is possible we are going to stir up the passions of people on the far right who otherwise would not be very excited about this election,” said Representative Jason Altmire, a freshman Democrat in a competitive re-election race. “And I do have that concern.”
The issue is critical for Clinton, whose hopes of winning the nomination depend on sweeping up most of the superdelegates nationwide to offset her deficit among delegates picked in primaries and caucuses.
Clinton’s negatives have been fairly constant during this campaign, but it didn’t stop the party establishment from attempting a coronation in 2007. Better candidates dropped away, discouraged by the Clinton machine, or failed to receive backing, such as Bill Richardson, a candidate with much lower negatives and a much better résumé. The same people who question her coattails now are ironically the people most likely to have benefited from her husband’s coattails over the years.
Barack Obama managed to out-organize Hillary and maneuver around the Clinton machine, in part on the negatives question. However, as he’s begun getting vetted, his own negatives have begun to rise. More to the point, though, is the fact that Obama hasn’t done much to get other Democrats elected, and in fairness because he’s so inexperienced that he hasn’t had the chance. No one can tell whether Obama has the stomach for the kind of down-ticket campaigning the Clintons do, putting the energy of his organization to work fundraising and stumping for Democrats Obama hardly knows. The Obama movement is a personality movement, not closely related to party affiliation or policy, and those tend to stay individual.
If the superdelegates put their money on Obama for his coattail effect, they had better hope that he can replace the Clintons in party building. Just as with his argument for the presidency, they’re going to have to go on hope and not much else.
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What? Have you not been seeing the results in this primary season? You even admitted his ability to out-organize the Clintons. To believe for a second that Obama couldn’t be a huge party builder for the Democrats is lunacy. The superdelegates will get behind Obama for a number of reasons, the possibility of him helping down-ticket Democrats will be pretty low on their list.
I love seeing conservatives trying to defend Hillary Clinton; what you ignore conveniently here is that Hillary Clinton hasn’t had any party building experience either. All they’re offering in regards to experience on party building is what they’ve done so far in this election.
Add onto the fact that this is such an old story and you’re still bereft of the facts makes my responding to your post seem trivial — if you haven’t realized the flaws in your argument already there’s no convincing you.
Nonfactor on March 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM
It’s actually a brilliant tactic. When I criticize Obama, even without talking about Wright, racism comes up as their retort – some even try to make me feel like a racist just because I think color has nothing to do with anything nad no one should get special treatment.
When I criticize Billary, I am a bigot or a sexist.
My frustrated response, “No, I am a war monger, remember?”
Nonfactor
What conservatives have been defending Billary and why? Is it because they know she is easier to beat than Obama because of her lying, secretive past?
I can’t win on facts with these guys.
El Guapo on March 27, 2008 at 7:38 AM
Was supposed to say “I cannnot win any debates against Billary or Obama supporters based on facts and actual results.”
If you wanna talk about feelings, then Obama definitely has the most emotional crowd (and the most communist support).
El Guapo on March 27, 2008 at 7:41 AM
Ugh. People vote Obama because he “feels good”. Nevermind the fact that he’s an empty suit with no experience.
He’s a mirror, he just reflects what everyone wants to see.
It would appear that the Obama fantasy is so much easier for people to deal with than the realities of the world.
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on March 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM
E L Frederick (Sniper One)
Funny you say that. One of the bills in Ill. he voted against (deny early parole for sexual predators) is a true example of how liberals wish or hope for the way things are instead of realizing how things really are. How many sexual predators strike again when paroled early?
I know first hand in 2002, Ohio, one did just that. That summer he abducted some little girl at the county fair. She was never seen again until her scattered ramians were discovered in a field weeks later by volunteer search parties.
why let these guys out early hoping that he wont do it again? That is just too much risk. Now a family is minus one nice girl who should be graduating HS soon. WTF!
You can’t change things by acting like the way you want them to be. What is he going to do next? Befriend Iran and al Q? They will exploit that oppertunity to attack us even more brutally. This is the only reason I am voting for McCain.
El Guapo on March 27, 2008 at 8:13 AM
By arguing that they MAY vote for Obama even if Hillary wins, they are actually arguing that folks the SDs should be able to vote for Hill even where Obama won.
OBQuiet on March 27, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Signing off. I’m now too ticked off to post anything objective or polite due to the memory of that event during the summer of 2002.
That poor girl. And That judge was a (D). Judges should NOT be politically affiliated. Their job is to enforce and uphold the law, not to practice ideals and hoping reform or change.
I “mega-loathe” ilberals. More people are dead in America because of early paroled convicts than problems they hoped to solve. Liberalism doenst work. When will you wake up? When your child is raped and killed next? Or will you just blame that on Bush or our taxes being too low too?
El Guapo on March 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM
As a liberal, what caused you to pick Obama over Clinton?
I’m genuinely curious to see this race from a leftist point of view; no snarky reply will be forthcoming from me.
joewm315 on March 27, 2008 at 8:22 AM
Ya, Wright did stir up any passions… I guess these people don’t spend much time talking to working-class white Americans or listening to local talk radio… Working-class DEMOCRATS in Boston are saying basically, “I’d rather vote for a liar than a racist, but I dislike them both now” And, if you think that’s made up, go to WTKK and see if the archive any of Michelle McPhee (A Dem and reporter for the Boston Herald) show…
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2008 at 8:29 AM
New machine old machine. Jeez. You forget BO is from Chi-town and we got one of the oldest Machines goin.
Angry Dumbo on March 27, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Those hanging onto nObama’s coattails will enjoy the emissions of what ain’t worth a pile of beans fresh from nObama himself. He’s running on fumes. Strange as it seems, there are many who love to hate and many who hate to love, and those extremes flock to nObama, the candidate who knows no such thing as “apology”. As such, there’s the clincher; where does JFK’s daughter fit nObama into Profiles In Courage ?
maverick muse on March 27, 2008 at 8:39 AM
You know, several weeks ago conservatives were whining about our choices…how’d you like to be supporting this mess.
Either way, McCain looks better and better (even with funny teeth)…maybe more to liberals then conservatives.
right2bright on March 27, 2008 at 8:54 AM
Rookie no one knows?
Hussein is a racist socialist trained by Ivy Leaguers. What else do we need to know?
saved on March 27, 2008 at 8:58 AM
It’s kind of funny reading your argument in this situation, nf; I’m certain I’d be saying the same things if I were you. But the truth is, conservatives aren’t defending Hillary at all. We just switch the target of our fire every couple days. HotAir, Rush, Hannity, lots of commentators have been vilifying Hillary daily. (Did you somehow miss the orgy of ridicule over Tuzla?!)
We have two equally pathetic targets, and you don’t seem to appreciate that almost every criticism of either one is just as effective on the other.
Corruption? Fine, Billary is a target-rich environment, but Obama currently has his primary benefactor in the midst of a Federal election trial which will probably land him in jail.
Experience? Great, one’s a housewife and the other is relying on a state senate record for which there are literally no records to be found.
Platform? Absolutely, they are indecipherable from each other, and each one is well outside of the mainstream of American political thought. Obama has been rated as the single most liberal and partisan Democrat in the Senate for the last year, and Hillary is Hillary (i.e., Yale, 1960s student/mob takeovers, Children’s Defense Fund, feminazis, etc.).
Sure. It must be the conservatives’ fault. I don’t blame you one bit.
Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Ah, yes, and months of having the Second Coming crammed down our throats via the media isn’t going to motivate us at all.
Mark V. on March 27, 2008 at 10:36 AM
The Clintons are entrenched, and many of the Super Delegates owe their current seat of power to them, in one way or another.
Obama is the new kid on the block, and has the “New Kid in Town” appeal, but as the song says, that can only last for so long. Only the media has prompt him up, and made him out to be more than he is.
Maybe both Hillary and Obama are regreting starting this campaign so early out. Even the uninterested have had time to take a closer look.
My $0.02……….
Seven Percent Solution on March 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
I really feel that right now it is John McCain race to lose. He can still do it, but it is really up to him.
ConservativePartyNow on March 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM
OTOH, Rush suggests that the reason why Dems feel so free to beat the snot out of each other is precisely because McCain is such a weak candidate who will never have the full support of rank and file Republicans such as moi. The winner of the Dem nomination walks over Insane McCain.
Angry Dumbo on March 27, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Think about it. Republicans went out of their way to avoid a brokered convention. The Dems are seemingly unafraid of having a brokered convention in Denver.
Why?
Angry Dumbo on March 27, 2008 at 1:45 PM
The Clinton Machine has had since 1992 the ability to organize and elect fellow Dems. A machine such as that is not put together on the fly. It requires years of experience, money, connection, and expertise. It’s not just showing up for a rally. It’s the ability to provide proven, winning, campaign organizers, media people, commercial makers and the like. We’ve seen the results with weak people like Shrum, even against a vulnerable GWB.
Obama has the Daley Machine, good, talented in it’s own sphere, but not one I would want to help me in PA, or VA, or places like that requiring detailed local knowledge of what works and what doesn’t.
Add in Rev. God Damn America, and his constant new fun stuff that will show up in viral videos just like it has already, and Obama is a disaster. Heath Schuler? Gone from NC unless it’s Hillary. Rev. God Damn America plus Obama’s evasive denials and excuses and moral equivalency work well among rich white yuppies and his South Side Chicago Black Nationalist backers. But not among the wider white middle and working class. Not in a Recession/depression. Whites who are not rich moralizing status obsessed yuppies do not like being called racist.
Obama is Al Sharpton with a smoother shtick. But that’s all.
Superdels choose him at their peril.
whiskey_199 on March 27, 2008 at 8:05 PM
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