Glorious H. Hope! Look what they done to my Savior, Ma….
posted at 12:40 pm on March 27, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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One Toronto church decided that they had enough of divisiveness this Lenten season, and decided to take a stand. No more would incendiary rhetoric be used to inflame the passions of the congregation. No more would the United Church endorse an outdated theology, at least not the West Hill Protestant United Christian Church. Their pastor struck these dreaded words from their Easter hymnal …. Jesus Christ?
That triumphal barnburner of an Easter hymn, Jesus Christ Has Risen Today – Hallelujah, this morning will rock the walls of Toronto’s West Hill United Church as it will in most Christian churches across the country.
But at West Hill on the faith’s holiest day, it will be done with a huge difference. The words “Jesus Christ” will be excised from what the congregation sings and replaced with “Glorious hope.”
Thus, it will be hope that is declared to be resurrected – an expression of renewal of optimism and the human spirit – but not Jesus, contrary to Christianity’s central tenet about the return to life on Easter morning of the crucified divine son of God.
Generally speaking, no divine anybody makes an appearance in West Hill’s Sunday service liturgy.
It’s Easter without God and Jesus Christ! What a breakthrough! Now all we need is a Toronto Argonauts game on the telly, and the West Hill congregation won’t have any reason to attend at all.
The pastor, Rev. Gretta Vosper, has had it with “Big God-ism” and wants to turn the West Hill United Church into a New Age encounter group. Vosper says that the world has outgrown Jesus Christ and the church is finished unless it gives up God, Jesus, and pretty much the entire Bible, except possibly for the Sermon on the Mount. Her new book, With or Without God, makes plain her hostility to the tenets of Christianity over the last two millenia and the need to replace God with Human.
The Anchoress is appalled:
Do you know why these “progressive” Christians want to “progress” right through the tenets of Christianity into the grim world of neither-faith-nor-reason but self-actualizing instinct and “hopeful” feelings? Why they want Jesus with no Christ, God with a small g and all that? Can you take a guess?
If you said “it is the logical culmination of baby-boomer narcissism and that generations’ tireless effort to deconstruct the universe and put itself at the center of all things” then ding, ding, ding! You win the daily double!
It recalls to mind a conversation I had with a friend of mine who was an observant Reform Jew about the group Jews for Jesus. He told me with a laugh that Jews have a name for them — Christians. We Christians have a name for ministers who proclaim the end of God and Jesus in their Christian churches — atheists.
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Perfectly stated.
repvoter on March 27, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Whats the “Trinity United Church of Christ”…they aren’t “christian” they are an “Obamaian” church/cult.
maybe they should change their name to the “Trinity United Church of Obama”
jp on March 27, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Hey Allah! Here’s a church for you!
Troy Rasmussen on March 27, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Would that make them CINOs (Christians in Name Only)?
Sadly that church just outwardly did what many “christian” churches here in the states are doing in secret, watering down their basic tenets of faith to the point that they no longer resemble anything “christian”.
AverageJoe on March 27, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I can’t argue with the logic there. At best these psuedo-Christians would be called agnostic or if you’re in a really favorable mood, deist. Either way, they aren’t Christians and they should be sued for false advertising and removed from any organized Christian group.
njrob on March 27, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Heratics. Pagans. Solipsists.
Vote Sauron 08 on March 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM
There is no God, and Gretta Vosper is His prophet.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on March 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM
It’s friggin Canada. They’re smarter than us you know.
Sugar Land on March 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Ah but it’s fitting. Now the song is as christian as the name “Easter” which is to say, not at all. Unless somewhere I missed in scripture where it says it’s ok to name your religious holidays after a pagan deity.
Well call it Resurrection Sunday here.
Benaiah on March 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Colossians 1:15-20 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
ReaganEvangelical on March 27, 2008 at 12:50 PM
29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM
This is nothing new. People have been trying to excise God from Christianity for many years. I’ve come to terms with it, but wish these “progressive” types would stop acting like they’ve just come up with some new idea. As they say on the internets, it’s old.
Anyway, from my perspective, any time a church leader decides to remove God from worship, it’s a signal that God had not been the focus of worship for some time, and they’ve just decided to take the final step. That is, this is more a symptom of issues within that church than it is the cause of any change.
Big S on March 27, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Oh goody, a new curse word.
Glorious hope, I can’t believe this shlt.
fogw on March 27, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Radical postmodern nothingness.
“Your higher power can be a lamp or anything that you can identify with”.
Hening on March 27, 2008 at 12:53 PM
They changed more than just the song.
Slublog on March 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM
This is from their “About Us” page:
Look at how they twist themselves up to get to their conclusion. They state people want to be known as Christians for how they LIVE, not who they follow. They should NOT use the word “Christian” to describe themselves…that offends me as a follower of Christ. Just like that crazy Phelps family…anyone who does not follow Christ, please STOP using His name.
JustTruth101 on March 27, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Christ = Righteous Black Dude
Trinity = Hatred of Whites (1), Jews (2) and especially Italians (3)
Hening on March 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM
The Oprahfication of our society.
terryannonline on March 27, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Surely, being Christian starts at what you believe.
Big S on March 27, 2008 at 12:57 PM
I was raised as a Unitarian-Universalist and that this story is just like old times. These folks are going to go the way of all the liberal (non) theology ‘churches’. The Episcopalians aren’t exactly packing ‘em in.
By the end of my 20th year, I joined the Army & became a Christian. My faith got started at a very conservative Baptist church. How’s that for being a black sheep? ;)
fluffy on March 27, 2008 at 12:59 PM
The Church of “if it feels good, do it.”
mattyj86 on March 27, 2008 at 1:00 PM
And she’s still employed, why?
srhoades on March 27, 2008 at 1:01 PM
You can either live by, and speak out to all who would hear, the basic tenets of the Christian faith, or you can choose to water them down to nothingness. Choosing the later removes you from consideration as a Christian church, in my humble opinion.
Think_b4_speaking on March 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Then perhaps the good Reverend needs to consider a new line of work.
JetBoy on March 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM
“Hope”?
Sounds to me like they still believe in a Messiah; They’re just switching to a different one.
logis on March 27, 2008 at 1:04 PM
I’m an agnostic/atheist but I respect Christianity These people are straight up heretics. By going the middle road here they’ve given themselves a ridiculous and alienating presence which I’m quite sure is the exact opposite of what they intended. What asshats.
Dr. Manhattan on March 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM
From the article -
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it’s worse than I first thought - Vosper does not rise to the level of Christian. (not judging, just pointing out that she finds the basics of Christianity “a myth”.)
Think_b4_speaking on March 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM
These people clearly have all the tolerance for faith in Christ that McCain’s supporters had when they made the decision to tell evangelicals to f**k off because the GOP has no room for Jesus Freaks. Yet……… why do they insist on being called Christians and celebrating Easter instead of calling themselves prophets of love or some other wackadoodle name?
highhopes on March 27, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, preach.
Not really but that was far too good a line to pass up. ;-0
highhopes on March 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM
This is nothing new. It was around during the time of the early church and her particular manifestation sounds a bit like Hegel’s (who helped pave the way for both Nazism & Marxism) idea of moving “beyond faith.” She needs to read Kierkegaard.
And, while I never give up a chance to bash Baby-Boomers and agree that this particular “theology” is the “logical culmination of baby-boomer narcissism,” it is also the natural, logical outcome of the “Tübingen School” school of thought and modern “higher criticism.” Both of which have been festering in the backwaters of Christianity for over one-hundred years.
29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Ehh, I guess it’s all about how they feeeeeel. And the world has outgrown Jesus Christ eh? I don’t think so. There’s a lot of people out there who are still searching for Him.
Ellen on March 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Are these people stupid enough to really believe that anyone is going to spend time in an atheist “church”?
Oh right, they consider themselves “progressives”, yes they are that stupid.
NoDonkey on March 27, 2008 at 1:10 PM
“that McCain’s supporters had when they made the decision to tell evangelicals to f**k off because the GOP has no room for Jesus Freaks.”
If you in your fevered little mind believe that, keep with it.
“Conservatives” like this are getting every bit as delusional as the lunatic left.
NoDonkey on March 27, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Funny you should mention that. Something was linked here a couple of days ago dealing with the lack of focus on God and Heaven in the “Black Liberation Theology” espoused by Jeremiah Wright and his ilk. For many years, it seems that any talk of religion in politics had focused on the “Religious Right”; now, the “Religious Left” is starting to become more apparent, probably because of the prominence of its teachings in the beliefs of one or more major presidential candidates. It has always been there, but had not been noticed so much since it bears so little resemblance to the kind of religion that people on the political Right tend to follow. The religion of the “Religious Left” is very much a political program, and God(s) are removed because they’re really not needed.
Big S on March 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM
A friend of mine went to a church which changed to this sort of “theology”. She stopped going to that one and started going to the Church of God because she was so disgusted by the way the church consciously avoided any and all mention of God. The church with the changed philosophies nearly went bankrupt, the pastor got fired, and nearly ten years later, the church is still struggling to get back on its feet. Before the change, the membership was close to 300; after, barely 30.
And, Ed, technically I know people involved in Jews For Jesus and there are very specific reasons why they won’t call themselves Christians (hello, Inquisition and Holocaust). Messianic Jews is the preferred term.
mjk on March 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Heh. Hey, AP! Welcome to the fold, brother.
Jaibones on March 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Huh, seems like they know what Jesus did, but not who he was.
Their ‘what we believe’ is based on such an incredible revision of history that it is odious. In the early days, the power of the third person of the Trinity (The Holy Spirit) was poured out on the followers of Jesus, enabling them to do what was otherwise impossible for them; to become holy. In becoming holy they did the things which she cited; cared for the poor, the widows, the homeless, the sick. The details of this whole thing would make this pastorette cringe: these acts of mercy were done because of the love of God expressed through his energies, not because of some abstract notion of love.
Ultimately she fulfills the curse which Paul spoke of, “They worshiped the creature instead of the creator.”
RiverCocytus on March 27, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Is this the “Hope” and “Change” that the inspiration for The Audacity of Hope (i.e. Rev J-Wright) has impressed upon a future President B. H. Obama and will be ever present at the “White” House?
Easter without Jesus. Hmmmm…. isn’t that kind of like DailyKos posters without taglines? Being ironic on purpose.
Branch Rickey on March 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Why don’t they just call themselves Unitarians? If it walks like a duck…
rihar on March 27, 2008 at 1:16 PM
So they get together on Sunday morning and … do what? Talk about their golf game? Pray to…? Worship?
They may avoid controversy with this in Tornoto, but that’s a high price to pay in exchange for a God that offers forgiveness and everlasting life.
doufree on March 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Don’t get me wrong. I completely disagree with omitting the name of Jesus from the song or anything else. I just find it interesting that that would get folks worked up but they still continue to use the name of a pagan god for the holiday.
Benaiah on March 27, 2008 at 1:18 PM
May I say how much I loathe “progressives”?
She says there’s been virtually a consensus among scholars for the past 30 years that the Bible is not some divine emanation – or in Ms. Vosper acronym, TAWOGFAT, The Authoritative Word of God For All Time – but a human project filled with contradictions and the conflicting worldviews and political perspectives of its authors.
If there’s a “consensus” then this must be science, just like Global Warming. The debate is over! Christ is out, glorious hope is in.
Welcome to Utopia.
Buy Danish on March 27, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m not a Christian — not particularly religious at all (don’t even have enough interest in being an atheist). But at least I admit it and don’t try to call myself a Christian. This isn’t a church, it is building for touchy-feely feel-goodism.
rbj on March 27, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I tell ya, it’s things like this that make me glad I’m Catholic.
Who ordains these fringe ministers anyway? To whom are they accountable?
JetBoy on March 27, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Benaiah
Because sometimes words and symbols change meanings in certain populations (see: The Swastika).
Dr. Manhattan on March 27, 2008 at 1:23 PM
While they are at it, it’s time to remove the Pastor from the Church and turn the Church into a bar with a full screen TV to watch hockey…Sunday’s can be $1.00 Molson on tap day.
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Where do they find these kooks and why don’t they get rid of them?
jeanie on March 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Yet another example of a Devil in the Pulpit. Now with new and improved deception! They will just keep the classic ‘identifying marks’ of ‘Christians’ to:
1. Help spread the deception to others who like this ’self above all else’ doctrine and
2. Help spread a bad name for Christianity and Christian Churches for those that dislike the Christian faith.
They’ve hit the daily double.
Glad I will not be able to see their faces when the Devil pays out…
SwampRat on March 27, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Yeah, it’s called Marxism.
Buy Danish on March 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM
West Hill
Protestant United Christian ChurchBuilding With Many Places To SitCicero43 on March 27, 2008 at 1:31 PM
The devil pretty much leaves whores and junkies etc. to their own devices, and concentrates mainly on religion. That’s my theory anyway.
Akzed on March 27, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I wonder if somebody who believes in Jesus Christ will sit in the pew for 20 years and disagree in silence, name a book after one the “Pastors” sermons, take the Pastor as a mentor, and claim to have missed the fact the Jesus was thrown out the back door?
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM
The Bible foretold of such preachers and those who would be their followers.
Conservative_SAHM on March 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Welcome to West Hill Protestant United Christian Church.
Our Creed:
There is, at most, one god.
Akzed on March 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM
So how long until they install muslim foot-washing sinks in the name of being “inclusive”?
Cicero43 on March 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This is just what Oprah is peddling!! New Age garbage. It makes me so mad. These aren’t churches and if people choose to follow them, good luck with all that. It is pathetic. But the bible does say many will turn away and we are seeing it. It still makes me very angry!
Conservatives R Us on March 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Yes, that is precisely what it is. And they both some of the same 19th Century, European sources.
They both boil down to using “God” as a means to achieve their own personal and societal ends. They both flip Christianity on its head; man becomes the judge of God and His usefulness according to the standards of the times and God is demoted to a symbolic, rhetorical tool useful only as a diving hat-rack upon which to hang their self-centered desires.
“God” could easily be replaced with “Buddha,” “Allah,” or “Vishnu,” and sometimes is.
Christian hope which is a component and product of faith in God is perverted into a hope in mankind, a hope in this world, a hope in self, or an existential hope in hope.
They are two rotten limbs of the same rotten tree.
29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Revelation 3:15-17 (New International Version)
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
TBinSTL on March 27, 2008 at 1:38 PM
But that’s clearly not what happened with the name “Easter”. It was adopted by the early church in order to try and switch a pagan holiday to a christian one. It’s the name of a false god and yet we’ve allowed its use to continue for centuries.
I absolutely love a holiday based around the celebration of Christ’s resurrection. I just think the christian church as a whole needs to move away from using another god’s name for it.
As I said before, my church uses Resurrection Sunday which works for us.
Benaiah on March 27, 2008 at 1:41 PM
I think you need to capitalize the “H” in hope. Unless that would offend someone.
sheesh on March 27, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Obama, the messiah of glorious hope and change, refers not to worshipping God, but to “my” God, as if there are many to choose from, so that creed may need a little work.
Buy Danish on March 27, 2008 at 1:44 PM
They probably should stop calling themselves Chritians, but why get so riled up about some goofball cultists in some podunk chapel in Toronto? There are many, many flavors of religion. Why no outrage at the snake handlers or the tongue speakers or even the new ageists that mix religions like a 10 year old making a Slushy at the 7 11?
ronsfi on March 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM
They actually may be on to something… let’s run with this for a while. I propose we try Politics without Liberals. ;-)
cannonball on March 27, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Look on the bright side, Heaven won’t be as crowded.
TheBigOldDog on March 27, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Did you mean 2 Timothy 3:1-7?
Pretty much fits this pastor’s bill (and Oprah’s bill too). It also does a good job of describing quite a few Baby Boomers.
Isn’t if funny when people who deny the reality of prophesy wind up fulfilling it?
29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 1:53 PM
“Glorious Hope” is a code word for the Black Jesus…Obamessiah
ihasurnominashun on March 27, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Doesn’t the Bible say something about these churches being whores? Can someone enlighten me?
cjs1943 on March 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Hate to be nitpicky here, but Reform Jews are famous for NOT being observant. They’re kind of like your Rev. Gretta Vosper.
And the true heart of the Democrat faithful. 98% Dem, by my estimation. And many are still stuck in that Oslo Accord crap.
That said, every Jew. from Reform to Hassid (I’m “Conservadox” myself) would have to agree with your friend’s fine definition of the “Jews For Jesus”.
ie, NOT Jewish.
If it quacks like a duck…
TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 2:04 PM
So they are going to be Episcopalians now huh?
/ducking and running
Just A Grunt on March 27, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Does this mean that our beloved brothers and sisters in the Hispanic community will start naming their children “Esperanza Gloriosa”?
(It’s just sarcasm people, don’t get excited)
Seven Percent Solution on March 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Tex…Reform Jews may be not as observant as other more orthodox or conservative Jews, but they NEVER take God out of the equation….at least that I know of.
ihasurnominashun on March 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM
“Ah but it’s fitting. Now the song is as christian as the name “Easter” which is to say, not at all. Unless somewhere I missed in scripture where it says it’s ok to name your religious holidays after a pagan deity.”
That’s the English translation. Everywhere else in the world, especially Europe, it’s called something else. And the name they call it is derived from the Passover Feast, which connects the name to the theological symbolism of Christ being the final sacrifice.
Sydney Carton on March 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Hate to be nitpicky here, but Reform Jews are famous for NOT being observant. They’re kind of like your Rev. Gretta Vosper.
TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Yeah, heh. Did you catch the news a few months back? The new Reformed Jewish prayerbook has been written to be more palatable to atheists. I can’t find a link to the article I read, sorry.
29Victor on March 27, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Mutt aka Gretta Vosper.
First they ordained women. Then the women kicked Jesus out of the church.
appalling.
pabarge on March 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Click Here to see Gretta
pabarge on March 27, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Seriously?!?!?! That is shocking and sad!
ihasurnominashun on March 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM
So…since this church rejects God in any form, doesn’t it then become…NOT a church? And NOT tax exempt?
uncivilized on March 27, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Oh, stop.
I’m administering a final exam to my students and laughing out loud in the middle would not be a good idea.
My take on this nonsense? Believe what you like, just don’t call yourself a Christian.
Bob's Kid on March 27, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain … [22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, … [30] … [they became] …, haters of God, …
OhEssYouCowboys on March 27, 2008 at 2:32 PM
What’s wrong with that? After all, Jesus is just another patriarchal oppressor denying the vastly superior Goddesshood in every woman.
Django on March 27, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Ding. Which is to say the paganization of it, with Oprah and Obama leading the priesthood.
spmat on March 27, 2008 at 2:39 PM
They also call themselves Complete Jews. In addition to Jews for Jesus, there is Steve Cohen’s Apple of His Eye Mission Society. Bestselling author Joel C. Rosenberg (”The Last Jihad,” etc.) founded the Joshua Fund, a charitable Christian outreach to Israel and the Middle East.
The New Testament contains references to the Church as the bride of Christ. John 3, Revelation 19 and Revelation 21 support the common interpretation that He, the spotless Lamb, will return for His spotless bride and all churches will be judged accordingly.
Terrie on March 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Yep, that’s the one. I agree - with everything you said.
Conservative_SAHM on March 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Excellent point! And to that, might I add this:
Obama claims to have a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ.”
Big deal. So does Satan. I mean, you can’t hate someone that much without having a personal relationship with them.
(And no, I don’t hate Obama. But I don’t trust him in the slightest!)
jedijson on March 27, 2008 at 3:00 PM
“Even though they hold a form of piety and true religion, they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it.” II Timothy 3:5
Joshua P. Allem on March 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM
About 8 or 10 years ago the Moderator (the name given to the head of the church) of the United Church of Canada created some controversy when he questioned the divinity of Christ.
Blaise on March 27, 2008 at 3:16 PM
You might be thinking about Revelation 17 - which includes:
[1] … I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: [5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. [9] And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. [18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, …
OhEssYouCowboys on March 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Prophetic? I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more accurate definition of modern “progressive” liberalism than that.
logis on March 27, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Don’t worry… God has answered her already.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on March 27, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Just to set the record straight, of the two possible explanations for the origin of the word “Easter”, neither directly involves the name coming from a pagan holiday.
One origin story has it coming from the Germanic word for sunrise, “ostern” which was linked to the holiday due to a translation error from Latin.
The second origin theory is that it was named after a month in the Germanic calender. That this particular month may or may not have been named after a pagan Goddess (an assertion made only by the monk Bede with no supporting records/histories) has little to do with the naming of the Christian holiday. It’s akin to trying to connect one of our civic holidays here in Ontario with ancient Rome simply because people refer to it as “August long weekend”.
Bic667 on March 27, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Since they replaced Christ with “Hope”, then I guess they should call themselves “Hopians”. (Or Glo-Hos)
AverageJoe on March 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Heathens.
splink on March 27, 2008 at 3:49 PM
When Pagan holidays were replaced with Christian holidays I wonder if the reaction was similar, minus the burnings and torture.
As somebody stated this idea of separating Jesus from certain Christian ideals is old. But the idea of Christianity was old when it caught fire, supernatural myths to describe the unknowable is older than Christianity.
LevStrauss on March 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Tex…Reform Jews may be not as observant as other more orthodox or conservative Jews, but they NEVER take God out of the equation….at least that I know of.
ihasurnominashun on March 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Yes, if you define “G-d” as being the DNC platform.
Of course, I married a wonderful girl who was raised Reform.
We’re what you would call a “mixed marriage”.
Our 8 year-old daughter is already a real Hebrew scholar, thankfully.
TexasJew on March 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM
The First problem that church has is a woman minister..
DaveC on March 27, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Good point Ed.
Remember Christ words from Matthew’s account of the Gospel as well.
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’” - Matthew 7:22-23 (NASB)
shick on March 27, 2008 at 4:12 PM
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